Peace everyone,
-How evil is their neglect to thoroughly investigate and research a matter, before denying it?
I have little respect for those who argue without properly investigating.
It appears the poster himself has not thoroughly investigated and researched the matter and thus his own words would apply to himself. It appears the poster assumes a conclusion from quranic signs to be true, when actually according to quranic signs that conclusion might not necessarily be true, which is called deductive fallacy. Let us see whether he is trying to conceal/cover (kafara) the truth or not.
You look at the sky and see the sun, moon and stars rising and setting hence moving about you, yet you claim it is the earth rotating around itself and the sun! Blasphemy!(675-7
Not only are you not using the faculty of reason and sight He has given you as Mercy but you are by so doing withholding within yourself the apparent/clear Signs of His Creation being the sun moon and stars are doing exactly what you see them do moving about you.
The apparent visual phenomenon for someone on surface of earth of "the sun, moon and stars rising and setting hence moving about you" can be possible both in flat earth model and spherical earth model. This premise doesn't conclusively indicate that the earth is flat. This apparent visual phenomenon is also possible in both the heliocentric model and the geocentric model and does not conclusively indicate that the geocentric model is true.
Therefore this premise cannot be used to conclude only flat earth or geocentric model as being true, otherwise it will be example of deductive fallacy.
Allah BRINGS the sun from the east! (Sun is the one moving from east not the earth rotating west!! Blasphemy!)
QURAN 2258
The apparent visual phenomenon for someone on surface of earth of "the sun being brought from the east" can be possible both on flat earth and on spherical earth. This premise doesn't conclusively indicate that the earth is flat. This apparent visual phenomenon is also possible in both the heliocentric model and the geocentric model and does not conclusively indicate that the geocentric model is true.
Therefore this premise cannot be used to conclude only flat earth or geocentric model as being true, otherwise it will be example of deductive fallacy.
The heavens are RAISED without pillars that you see! (How can you raise empty infinite space? YOU CAN'T!) The sky is a structure! A roof!
QURAN 132
There is some indirect evidence of existence of dark matter everywhere and no area of space therefore being empty.
Additionally, scientists in California using a scientific technique of extension neurosensing technology, have determined the existence of "seven heavens" which they call "seven levels of manifestation" (LOMs) or "seven superdomains" with discrete boundaries between the levels, with our universe being at the center. So the edge of the universe and the edge of each LOM or superdomain has a discrete boundary, and that discrete boundary is raised without "pillars".
http//www.lpg-c.org/essays (see the essay "Introduction to Idiomaterial Life Physics" and click on open).
This raising without pillars is thus possible both for a flat earth or a spherical earth, and is also possible both in heliocentric model and geocentric model.
Therefore this premise of heaven raised without pillars cannot be used to conclude only flat earth or geocentric model as being true, otherwise it will be example of deductive fallacy.
The sun and moon each RUNNING for a term appointed!
QURAN 132
The sun and moon could be running for a term appointed in both flat earth and spherical earth models, and in both geocentric and heliocentric models. For example moon running around spherical earth, and sun running around the galactic center.
Therefore this premise of sun and moon running for an appointed term in 132 (or swimming in orbits - 2133, 3640) cannot be used to conclude only flat earth or geocentric model as being true, otherwise it will be example of deductive fallacy.
How does Allah describe the earth?
Ask yourself when visualizing this if I employ you to spread a substance out for me, let's say it is silly putty/ play dough,
Will you roll it up into a ball or flatten it out??!
None of the referenced quranic words only mean "flattened", but have other meanings of spread, expanded, stretched, extended, even, smooth, expanse etc. also. These meanings can be applicable to both a flat surface and a spherical surface. For example the peel of an orange is spread out over its surface, or the universe is being expanded after the big bang, or a balloon is being expanded by blowing in it. This does not indicate that an orange or a balloon is flat.
133 The Earth is madadnaha/spread out!!
(1333) madda spread
(15192) madadnh We have spread it
(5072) madadnh We have spread it out
(8433) muddat is spread
Spread out does not necessarily imply flat, but spread out can also be used for spherical objects.
Spread out means "distributed over an area" or "extended in one or more directions", which could describe both flat and spherical objects and does not indicate only a flat object.
Additionally, the main meaning of "madda" is "extended" or "stretched", which could apply to both flat and spherical objects, and does not indicate only a flat object, otherwise it will be example of deductive fallacy.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000223.pdf
Other quranic words such as "dahaha" and "sutihat" also mean "spread out" or "expanded" which can be applicable to both flat and spherical objects (7930, 8820), and do not indicate only a flat object, otherwise it will be example of deductive fallacy.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume3/00000023.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000081.pdf
Without the mountains and valleys and crookednesses and curvatures the earth is a level plain!!!!
(18476) brizatan (as) a leveled plain
(201063) afafan plain
Not one but two sister ayaats to confirm this!
Note how the poster tries to deceive, mislead, misguide others by quoting the description of the appearance of earth on the last day and making it look like it is describing the current appearance of the earth. This is proof of intellectual dishonesty.
Both these verses are about the last day as is clear from the context
1847 And the Day We move the mountains, and you see the earth level, and We gather them; so We will not leave out anyone of them.
20102 The Day the horn is blown, and We gather the criminals on that Day white eyed.
20103 They whisper among themselves "You have only been away for a period of ten."
20104 We are fully aware of what they say, for the best among them will say "No, you have only been away for a day."
20105 And they ask you about the mountains, so say "My Lord will annihilate them completely."
20106 "Then He will leave it as a smooth plain."
20107 "You will not see in it any crookedness or curves."
ALL I SEE IS CROOKEDNESS IN POSTERS ARGUMENTS.
The earth is made as a bed for us!
(20535) mahdan (as) a bed
(43105) mahdan a bed
The main meaning of "mahdan" is "even or smooth" in addition to other meanings, which can be applicable to both flat and spherical objects. It also means "expanse" which fits in the above signs. Expanse means an area of something presenting a continuous surface which can be applicable to both flat and spherical objects. The poster clearly ignores other meanings of "mahdan" to propagate his own views. Even the meaning of bed would be applicable if the relative size of the object standing on top of a spherical object is tiny compared to an extremely large spherical object. The tiny object can easily sleep on such an extremely large spherical object (approx. 5-7 feet compared to approx. 25,000 mile circumference). Ask an ant how even and smooth it would be to sleep on surface of an extremely large balloon.
This term "mahdan"/"expanse" can thus be applied both to a flat and a spherical object and does not indicate only a flat object, otherwise it will be example of deductive fallacy.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000267.pdf
All this evidence indicates that the quranic words do not rule out a spherical and heliocentric earth.
Readers can verify all this information for themselves and reach their own conclusions. No more comments from me in this matter.
Peace
