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  • the USA doing exactly as it always planned? - an alternative view

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    peace all, I found the following interesting http//www.roadtoroota.com/public/527.cfm I think it makes sense also. Basically says the US intentionally did away with the gold standard in 1971, not only to preserve its gold reserves, but also to use its position as the world's reserve currency and build huge amounts of infrastructure, military and industry, by being able to print an endless amount of money. And when they printed too much and the world lost faith is the US$ they would make a transition back to the gold standard. Whilst I do not agree with fiat currency, I have to say, it's pretty genius what the US have done if that was their plan, and it is what any country would do if their currency was the world's reserve currency. The only problem with the above plan is of course the short-medium adjustment period of when the US$ collapses and they go back to a gold or some other standard. Many analysts say this is happening right now, signs include quantitative easing, inflation, investors switching away from US$ into commodities, other currencies, precious metals, US government still spending recklessly etc. To put it simply, imagine you are a country and you have a credit card with an infinite spending limit, of course you'd take advantage. Interestingly, other countries were forced to play along, so they could be part of world trade, and hence countries like Russia/China etc actually help build up the US to where they are now! The interesting response will be what these countries do now, to get out of the US$ so they are less affected when it collapses. They seems to be switching their trade out of the US$ gradually, buying companies/land, oil/energy/gas/minerals/commodities etc (especially China).
  • Options for storing gold

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    Peace I wanted to share this article with everyone http//solari.com/articles/Options_for_Storing_Precious_Metals/ Roshan
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    Franck Biancheri Director of studies of LEAP/E2020, www.leap2020.eu President of Newropeans, www.newropeans.eu Ladies and Gentlemen, Your next summit takes place in a few days in London; but are you aware that you have less than a semester to prevent the world from plunging into a crisis that will take at least a decade to resolve, accompanied by a whole series of tragedies and ferment? Therefore, this open letter by LEAP/E2020, who saw the arrival of a ? global systemic crisis ? as early as three years ago, intends to briefly explain why it happened and how to limit further damage. If indeed you began to suspect the onset of a sizeable crisis less than a year ago, LEAP/E2020, in the second issue of their ? Global Europe Anticipation Bulletin ? (GEAB N?2), anticipated that the world was about to enter into the ? trigger phase ? of a crisis of historic proportions. Since then, month after month, LEAP/E2020 has relentlessly continued to produce highly accurate forecasts of the development of this crisis with which the world is now struggling. For this reason, we feel entitled to write you this open letter which we hope will aid you on the choices you will have to make in a few days. This crisis is getting more and more dangerous. Recently, in the 32nd edition of its Bulletin, LEAP/E2020 raised an alarm of direct concern to you, the leaders of the G20. If, when gathered in London next April 2nd, you are not able to adopt a number of bold and innovative decisions, focused on the essential issues and problems, and to initiate them by summer 2009, then the crisis will entail a ? general geopolitical dislocation ? by the end of the year, affecting the international system as well as the very structure of large political entities such as the United States, Russia, China or the EU. Any chance for you to control the fate of the 6 billion inhabitants of the world will then be over. Your choice a 3- to 5-year crisis or a decade-at-least long crisis? Until now you have merely been concerned with the symptoms and secondary effects of this crisis because, unfortunately, nothing prepared you to face a crisis of such an historic scale. You thought that adding more oil to the global engine would be enough, unaware of the fact that the engine was broken, with no hope of repair. In fact, a new engine must be built, and time is running out, as the international system deteriorates further each month. In the case of a major crisis, one must get to the heart of the matter. The only choice is between undertaking a number of radical changes, thus greatly shortening the duration of the crisis and diminishing its tragic outcome or, on the contrary, refusing to make any such changes in an attempt to save what is left of the present system, thus extending the crisis? duration and increasing all the negative consequences. In London, next April 2nd, you can either pave the way for the crisis to be solved in an organised manner in 3 to 5 years, or drag the world through a terrible decade. We will content ourselves with giving you three recommendations that we consider strategic ones in the sense that, according to LEAP/E2020, if they have not been initiated by this summer 2009, global geopolitical dislocation will become inevitable from the end of this year onward. LEAP?S THREE STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS The key to solving the crisis lies in creating a new international reserve currency! The first recommendation is a very simple idea reform the international monetary system inherited post-wwii and create a new international reserve currency. The US Dollar and economy are no longer capable of supporting the current global economic, financial and monetary order. As long as this strategic problem is not directly addressed and solved, the crisis will grow. Indeed it is at the heart of the crises of derivative financial products, banks, energy prices... and of their consequences in terms of mass unemployment and collapsing living standards. It is therefore of vital importance that this issue should be the main subject of the G20 summit, and that the first steps towards a solution are initiated. In fact, the solution to this problem is well-known, it is about creating an international reserve currency (which could be called the ? Global ?) based on a basket of currencies corresponding to the world?s largest economies, i.e. US dollar, Euro, Yen, Yuan, Khaleeji (common currency of oil-producing Gulf states, to be launched in January 2010), Ruble, Real..., managed by a ? World Monetary Institute ? whose Board will reflect the respective weight of the economies whose currencies comprise the ? Global ?. You must ask the imf and concerned central banks to prepare this plan for June 2009, with an implementation date of January 1st, 2010. This is the only way for you to regain some control over currently unwinding events, and this is the only way for you to bring about shared global management, based on a shared currency located at the centre of economic and financial activity. According to LEAP/E2020, if this alternative to the currently collapsing system has not been initiated by this summer 2009, proving that there is another solution than the ? every man for himself ? approach, today?s international system will not survive this summer. If some of the G20 states think that it is better to maintain the privileges related to the ? status quo ? as long as possible, they should meditate the fact that, if today they can still significantly influence the future shape of this new global monetary system, once the phase of global geopolitical dislocation has started they will lose any capacity to do so. Set up bank control schemes as soon as possible! The second recommendation has already been mentioned many times in the preliminary debates to your upcoming summit. It should therefore be easy to adopt. It is about creating, before the end of this year, a scheme of bank control on a global scale, suppressing all the system?s ? black holes ?. A number of options have already been suggested by your experts. Make up your mind now nationalize financial institutions as soon as is necessary! It is the only way to prevent a new episode of massive indebtment by them (the kind of episode which significantly contributed to the current crisis), and to show to the general public that you have some credibility to deal with bankers. Get the IMF to assess the US, UK and Swiss financial systems! The third recommendation relates to a politically sensitive issue, which cannot be ignored. It is essential that, no later than July 2009, the imf presents to the G20 an independent assessment of the three national financial systems at the heart of the current financial crisis US, UK and Switzerland. No sustainable recommendation can be efficiently implemented as long as no one has any clear understanding of the damage caused by the crisis inside these three pillars of the global financial system. It is no longer time to be polite with the countries located at the centre of the current financial chaos. Write a simple and short statement! Finally, please allow us to remind you that your task is to restore confidence among 6 billion people and among millions of public and private organisations. Therefore do not forget to write a short statement ? no more than 2 pages, presenting a maximum of 3 to 4 key ideas that non-experts can read and understand. If you fail to do so, no one will read what you have to say apart from a narrow circle of specialists, therefore you will not revive confidence among the general public and the crisis will be doomed to get worse. If this open letter helps you to feel that History will judge you according to the success or failure of this Summit, then it has been useful. According to LEAP/E2020, your citizens will not wait any longer than a year before they judge you. This time at least, you will not be able to say no one warned you! Franck Biancheri Director of studies of LEAP/E2020, www.leap2020.eu President of Newropeans, www.newropeans.eu
  • Start your own Economical Gardens/Farms

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    Peace, The best way to live economically is to follow the sunnah of God in nature, to waste not so that we may want not, and to live off the land and connect intelligently to the reality that bore us and that brings us to balance and teaches us about God's sunnah. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dK3iq_Yl5c&NR=1 http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc5gP9Nk5rw&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdeACFj06Fw http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S6kTlz6Mk4&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7mQZHfFVE&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugFd1JdFaE0&feature=PlayList&p=0FCC13F9D924D835&index=0&playnext=1 (watch videos 1, 2, 3.) http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=npB8qltaB6g&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxXp_-jMWOU Godbless, Anwar Anybody who wants to see how they can get free energy and fertilizer as well by living off of the land let me know and I will post the videos. And anyone who wants information about organic farming large or small scale, natural building etc, let me know here and I will post all the helpful info and videos that I can, so that if you thought it was impossible I can show you that the best things are the most natural. And we can't afford to do without them.
  • The Bank

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    Peace I am going to send this to a national newspaper here. Am looking for ideas, corrections, anything. Anyone? Btw...I don't see much activity on the forums. I guess we are all occupied in life. Banking with the Parasites We all suffer a collective woe Dearth of cash to meet our obligations. Our toil and sweat take us nowhere, our machinations and furor come to naught. We pass through our lives in a state of suspended animation never really penetrating the circle of bliss and prosperity. Man was meant to aspire for higher ideals but life has become a meek struggle for bread and butter. Why are we in such a mess? What has gone wrong? Have we sinned and the gods are angry at us? Unlike greater men, we suffer not out of conviction and for some great ideal. We suffer because we refuse to think, question, analyze and finally discern light from the darkness that pervades ours senses. We suffer because we refuse to challenge what is wrong, to be courageous and to be someone significant in a larger human sense. We are a new breed of men which has chosen to endure great pain in the name of ? in the name of what? You might have lived docilely and never imagined that a ?Great Conspiracy Against Mankind? could exist ? but it does. Fortunately, we have been warned again and again, by God and man alike, if only we listen. The parasites Imagine a parasite persistently munching on your house structure. No matter how much you struggle to give your house final shape, it doesn?t finish. Every day you construct a little more, the parasite eats a little more. Each week a few more parasites are born and you need to endeavor more just to keep up with their eating. This slowly and then rapidly develops into a hopeless struggle for survival. You face a choice die of meekness (struggling, toiling and sweating), or change the rules. If you are smart and noble, you fight back. There is a parasite constantly eating away the income of your hard labor. Something is going on behind the scene which nullifies your efforts and makes you even more subservient to this parasite every passing day. Can there be any other way to end this tyranny then to wage war against this criminal of human society? By every rule, of God and man alike, they must be stopped from this oppression. Man must be set free to aspire for ideals that suit his stature. The money-lenders I have a firm conviction (and a strong case) that the tall and strong buildings of the banking establishment that demand our trust are a bunch of thieves robbing us in broad daylight. Something is wrong not with me or you in the way we work (toil, labor, sweat and struggle); but something is unquestionably wrong in our servile acceptance of the economic system that has been imposed on us by the mutual consent of gullible governments and greedy bankers. Let us say that there is a Bank and I am a person with Rs100 which I carry around in my pocket. The Bank places an advertisement in the newspaper informing me that this money is unsafe in my pocket and I should keep it with them for safekeeping. The Bank also promises to pay an annual interest of 2% on this deposit. This is what I get. What does the Bank get? The Bank keeps my money safe and pays me for it too? This is an absurd proposition unacceptable to a profit-seeking organization. Looking a bit closely we notice that according to an arrangement between the greedy banker and the gullible government of your country, the Bank follows a ?fractional reserve? policy. This means that the Bank has to keep a fraction of the deposits in liquid cash to meet its obligations, and it can credit the rest. Let us say that the government has set this reserve ratio at 10%. If the Bank was reasonable it would keep Rs10 (10% of Rs100) and credit the rest (Rs90) to a borrower on interest (lets say 5%). That would give it an income statement looking like this Gross income Rs4.5 (5% of Rs90 that was amount loaned) Interest paid to depositors -Rs2 (2% of Rs100 deposited with the Bank) Bank expenses -Rs1 Net profit Rs1.5 But the Bank is not reasonable. The Bank knows that when it credits money to a Borrower, it is actually just creating a Deposit in the name of the Borrower. So what it does is this It keeps Rs100 as liquid cash, and creates Deposits in the name of Borrowers to the amount of Rs900. With just Rs100 in deposits the Bank creates credit amounting to Rs900! Just look at the new income statement Gross income Rs45 (5% of Rs900 that was amount loaned) Interest paid to depositors -Rs2 (2% of Rs100 deposited with the Bank) Bank expenses -Rs1 Net profit Rs42 So on a deposit of Rs100 the Bank earned Rs42 ? a 42% return on deposits. 100% guaranteed return since the Borrowers pledge their property and assets to secure the loan. What business could be better? But I really wish this was all. Maybe a great lawyer can argue even this to be unjust and illegal in an honest court of law. But the Banks are not simply unjust. They are complete thugs and thieves of the worst kind, as you will just see. The Rs900 that the Bank loaned was not money that previously existed. It was literally, to quote a bankers? term, ?created out of thin air?. Let?s say this money was returned to the Bank within a year with interest. How does the Banks income statement look now? Interest earned Rs45 (5% of Rs900 that was amount loaned) Actual repaid Rs900 Gross income Rs945 Interest paid to depositors -Rs2 (2% of Rs100 deposited with the Bank) Bank expenses -Rs1 Net profit Rs942 Just look at that figure. Rs942! That is a 942% return on a deposit of just Rs100! And guess what ? the bank did not earn this money by giving back anything of value! It just guzzled it greedily. It stole it from smart, hard-working, value-creating people like me and you. The Bank made money out of currency itself ? whose sole purpose, to begin with, was to serve as a ?medium of exchange?. Why doesn?t the government provide this same service at zero interest? If you think Rs942 isn?t important ? think again. At a 10% reserve rate, 90% of the currency we use is what is called ?checking deposits?. Roughly, just to understand, we can say the Banks take way more then 50% of what we earn just for creating ?money out of thin air? which could have been done as easily by the government at no cost! It?s the greatest swindle of all times and it just doesn?t end. And you know why not? Because they take away more then half our income and we all stay quiet and numb and stuck in the drudgery of daily living. They are the merciless feudal lords and we are the docile peasant slaves. Lessons from history and religion Let us look to what history and religion (Islam Submission) teach us about interest. Remember that religion is a ?system? and not a set of rituals. The Book of God guides you to the ?true system?, the one that will propel you to prosperity and success in this world and in the next one. This is what God has to say about interest 2276 - God wipes out financial interest and He grants growth to charities. And God does not love every wicked sinner. God does not say things in vain and God does not make mistakes. ?God wipes out financial interest?. If you are a Muslim this should compel you to think. If you are not you can still consider it and see if there is a rational basis for this claim. We have been taught in economic textbooks and the business pages of newspapers that interest makes the world go round. That modern economy could not exist without this interest-based banking system. That denying interest is the same as denying modernism. Careful and honest evaluation will prove that technological progress and economic development is despite the existence of interest, not because of it. Interest is the exploitative element pervading our ?modern civilization? afflicted with an old disease historically notorious by the name usury. Interest is inherently parasitic. It is profit from trading in currency itself. And the Banks are eating away wealth that rightly belongs to the common man (after all, he worked for it!) Interest is, literally, wiping out real wealth. Whereas the institution of interest accumulates wealth in a few hands thus destroying it, charity distributes it back to the majority thus multiplying it. Even modern economics argues the existence of a large middle-class as an essential ingredient for growth. No wonder God said that He wipes out financial interest and grants growth to charities. This is not the place to discuss this verse with the detail it deserves. It will probably serve as a philosophical pillar when we begin to unravel the perfect economic system God gave to man. Aquinas, Plato, Aristotle and others have this to say about interest (or usury) Thomas Aquinas talks about the injustice of interest in these words ?To take interest for money lent is unjust in itself, because this is to sell what does not exist, and this evidently leads to inequality, which is contrary to justice. Now, money was invented chiefly for the purpose of exchange. Hence, it is by its very nature unlawful to take payment for the use of money lent, which payment is known as interest.? Hillaire Belloc sums up the definition of usury to be ?a claim to increment, or extra wealth, which is not there to be claimed. It is a practice that diminishes the capital wealth of the needy and eats it up to the profit of the lender - so that, if Usury goes unchecked, it must end in the absorption of all private property into the hands of a few money brokers.? The famous Greek philosopher Aristotle says ?The trade of the petty usurer is hated with most reason it makes a profit from currency itself, instead of making it from the process which currency was meant to serve. Their common characteristic is obviously their sordid avarice.? In 1921 Nobel Prize winner Frederick Soddy said ?There is nothing left now for us but to get ever deeper and deeper into debt to the banking system in order to provide the increasing amounts of money the nation requires for its expansion and growth. An honest money system is the only alternative. Starting with nothing whatever of their own, bankers have got the whole world into their debt irredeemably, by a trick.? Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England in the 1920s, then the second richest man in Britain said "Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it all back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." Mayer Rothchild ?Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes its laws.? President James Madison ?History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.? Rothchild Brothers ?The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class. The great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages will bear its burden without complaint.? Plato ?There must be no lending at interest.? In conclusion We exist at a time in history when the world is reaching the inevitable conclusion of great greed destruction. Why must we commence a civilisation from the ashes of an old one only to be led astray by bankers once again? Why not confront the money-lenders now and begin forcing change? Why not interrupt the devastating future from ever happening? Why not live in a better, humane and just world? Let us be significant in a larger human sense. This struggle is vital to humanity?s meaningful survival. We owe it to our children to pass them a world free of money-lenders and their craving for a ?Pound of Flesh?. To end I thank God for the mercy he has shown in guiding us and showing us The Straight Path. For without His guidance, we would surely be lost. Sha [email protected]
  • Banking System in G8 countries; National Debt to private banks

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    Peace all, I believe this is the same for all G8 countries. It is certainly true for the U.S. and Canada. I am certain if people knew about it, it would cause outrage. (at least I hope so) The following link is for Canada http//canadianactionparty.ca/cgi/page.cgi?zine=show&aid=188&_id=27 It is actually a tutorial on the present monetary system, the above link is just one page of the tutorial. In Canada, just like in the U.S., where the government borrows money from the Federal Reserve (which is no more "Federal" than "Federal Express", i.e. it is a privately owned bank), the Canadian government, instead of borrowing money from the Bank of Canada (which is truly federally-owned, i.e. Canadian tax-payer owned) CHOOSES TO INSTEAD BORROW MONEY FROM PRIVATE BANKS AT SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST RATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Canadian (and presumably all G8 countries&#039 citizens are losing billions of dollars a year that could go to healthcare, education, environment, etc..., yet the government chooses to pay our taxpayer money to private banks. This doesn't have to be the case. In Canada, it is EASILY reversible since the system is already in place for the government of Canada to instead create money interest free through the Bank of Canada. This is true, I believe for other G8 countries as well. I would be interested to hear from other G8 country FM members about how their governments deal with loans. Please take a little bit of time to investigate how it works in your own home countries, and if possible, write up what you learn in this thread. thanks, peace
  • Investment Oppurtunity..

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    Peace and Mercy of Allah, The Almighty,The most Merciful be upon Us Always.. There is an investment Oppurtunity In a New Hospital Which we plan in the Near Future. The Project costs Approximately 5 Cr indian Rupees. (My Cousin is an Orthopeadian And I'm a MBBS Doctor. We are goin to start a Trauma Care Centre Near the National Highway at Our Place.(Undisclosed Now) My Plan is to Aquire as much Real Estate Near the Proposed Site for Hospital Because the Real Estate Value is certain to Appreciate when a Hospital is Started and then it becomes a Centre. The Total Project of Hospital With its Land Will be about 1 Crore INR in the First Phase With Operation Theatre,Casualty,X-Ray,10 Bedded IP + 2 Wards.. The Rest 4 Crore will be invested in Real Estates around(At Approximately 50000 INR Per Cent of LAnd). (The Current Value of Real Estate Near HighWays near Hospitals is 2Lakh Per Cent) Later after 3 Years of Profitable Running Half of the Real Estate Will be Sold For a Big Profit(At least 3 times 6Crores) and Facilities like C-ARM,CT,Etc will be added for Rs 1 Crore . And another unit will be started in the same pattern at some other Place for the Rest 5 Crores.Insha Allah. This is the BAsic Plan the Values might change. In 10 years we target at least 10 units like that spread across the Highway... Insha Allah. My parents already Run a 50 Bedded Hospital. And I've good Exposure and experience in Running the Hospital. And I also have Experience in Stock Markets and Accounting. Interested investors who are confident in me can Contact me by mailing [email protected]
  • GENERAL REVIEW OF THE USURY CONCEPT(3)

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    New understanding of usury prohibition in the light of ?Time value of money? theory In the early Islamic time, inflation wasn?t a familiar science, as their currencies were in goods, naming gold and silver. The value of these currencies was stable and the Economy was not getting in inflation fluctuation. In this environment money kept most of its purchasing power for a long time. In the modern economy inflation surfaced in the new understudy Economy, currency now is not good, even evaluating a currency according to any good fail as a rule since Brittan-woods system which obligates central banks to standardize it?s currency according to specified amount of gold, even if this rule could set different currencies in front of each other it couldn?t standardize currency purchasing power. It?s very important to understand the differences between the values of money in previous Muslims? time and now money while dealing with the concept of usury. Time value of money theory represents erosion of money value over time; the main logical puzzle in this theory is how to estimate the money with respect to the time dimension. ?Time enhances the value of grand today and erodes the value of grand spent or received in the future. Because individuals consider waiting to be a cost? (Jenkins, 2004). If we want to ignore all factors but inflation; what would be the value of a grand one year later? In other words what is the purchasing power of a grand one year later? In this case Inflation rate serve as a discount rate in the formula NPV0 = 1000 / 1+r If the period of time is two then NPV0 = 1000 / ((1+r)*(1+r)) In which NPV0 is the present value or purchasing power of 1000 today, r is the discount rate; Inflation rate. The rule presents ?The greater the rate of discount, r, used and further in the future the date when an amount is to be realized, the smaller is its present value? (Jenkins, 2004). Depending on purchasing power, the value of a grand today equals a grand after one year if there were no inflation (r = 0). As was mentioned previously, the reason of prohibiting usury by Koran verse definition is {? without inflicting injustice or incurring injustice?}, preventing injustice, the question if justice is to receive back lower values of creditor money? Besides, creditor bears several kinds of risks such as default risk and in the case of the bank there would be a different kind of costs such as management and services cost. Banks now estimate interest rates according to several kinds of risks ?such as inflation risk, default Risk, term to maturity risk, marketability risk, call risk, and so on? (Rose, 2002). Surplus usury In Arabic Riba Al-fadel direct translation of Al-fadel is the surplus (Ibn-Manthoer,2000), and Surplus usury in the field of finance is ?the exchange of unequal qualities or quantities of the same commodity simultaneously? (Islamic-finance.com, 2003), however this type of surplus is prohibited in Islam recalling Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) speech (Gold is to be paid for by gold, silver by silver, wheat by wheat, barley by barley, dates by dates, and salt by salt - like for like, equal for equal, payment being made on the spot. If the species differ, sell as you wish provided that payment is made on the spot) (AHMED, 197 (Al-Bukhari, 1991). Ali Al-Saloos says that ?Surplus usury is forbidden under the unequal exchange of six goods gold, silver, dates, wheat, salt, and barley by text and unanimous? (Al-Saloos, 2004). 2) Postpone usury Riba Al-Nasia in the Arabic language is postponing (Ibn-Manthoer, 2000), and Postpone usury in trade is to sell on credit (Ba?albaki, 2002). Nevertheless, what is forbidden in Surplus usury is forbidden in Postpone usury as well. Hence postpone usury; the usury of waiting involves the non-simultaneous exchange of equal qualities and quantities of the same commodity and does not therefore involve a surplus but only a difference in the timing of exchange. ? (Islamic-finance.com, 2003) Different jurists say this type is forbidden just in things which are measured by dry measures or balances if the commodity and or its price from the same kind ?this is Abi-Hanefa point of view? (Al-Saloos, 2005), others say it?s just in the eatable materials, ?This is Al-Shafehe point of view? (Al-Saloos, 2005). Thus, an exchange in which I buy 1000 grams of gold now in return for 1100 grams of gold to be paid by me tomorrow can be described as Postpone usury. An exchange in which I buy 1000 grams of gold now in return for 1100 grams of gold to be paid now as well can be described as surplus usury. Clearly Surplus usury then is the interests added to the capital amount of borrowing when paid back. Nevertheless Postpone usury historically is the addition to the main credited capital which is added when the creditor postpones the mature date because the debtor couldn?t pay back, Al-Razi Koran interpreter writes Postpone usury was known before Islam, money was paid and receive monthly certain payment by debtor, in where the essential capital remain as it is, when the loan mature the borrower is asked to pay back the capital and if not they postponed the mature date for addition to capital, this is the forbidden usury.(Al-Razi,1996). As a result of Al-Razi interpretation Postpone usury which was known before Islam and God has forbidden it clearly as the addition to the main credited capital which was added when the creditor was postponing the mature date because the debtor couldn?t payback. Credit usury The Arabic word Al-Qarud?s direct translation is thus the forbidden kind of loans as the one ?which combines both surplus usury and postpone usury since there is both a delay and a surplus involved in such transactions? (Islamic-finance.com, 2003). The loan is permissible in Islam if unless it includes the conditions of the mentioned two kinds Surplus usury and Postpone usury, It has mentioned before that the longest verse in Koran no.282 of chapter two explains the procedures of borrowing agreement by details. Sell usury the usury of trade is a second major form where the elements of surplus usury and postpone usury may appear. In order to avoid sell usury, both the quality and quantity of the exchanged items should be equal and the exchange must be simultaneous. If dates are to be exchanged for dates, the quality and quantity of the new dates must be the same and the exchange must be made on the spot (Al-Mhmood, 2005). Why would anyone involve into such exchange is another matter, but Mahmoud El-Gamal has pointed out that the requirement may simply exist in order to encourage the sale of cash goods in order to achieve fair market values for buyers and sellers (El-Gamal, 2005). This is supporting the Islamic understanding of money circulation which has been argued previously. Finally usury In Islam can be explained as a result of two actions First Surplus, takes place when exchange of unequal qualities or quantities of the same commodity simultaneously, under the circumstance of six kinds mentioned earlier. Second postpone usury; the addition to the main credited capital which is added when the creditor postpones the mature date because the debtor can?t pay back.
  • GENERAL REVIEW OF THE USURY CONCEPT(2)

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    Kinds of Usury in Islam The literal translation of the Arabic word usury (Riba) is ?to increase?, ?addition or growth?, though it is usually translated as usury. The Islamic jurists followed several methodologies for describing usury; two Kinds of usury are identified Surplus usury. Postpone usury. And two main kinds of transaction into which these elements may be incorporated are described a) Credit usury. b) Sell usury. Fixed interests in new banking system, between forbidden and allowance 3.1 Fixed interests Forbidden point of view This point of view is the most famous one, and the one that Islamic banking system depends on to establish new non-fixed interest banking system. Forbidden point of view depends first of all on the verse no.275 of chapter two {Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, god permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with god. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever} (Koran Translation, 2005), which is mentioned before in this study. Furthermore, in Prophet Mohamed?s (PBUH) speech (Gold is to be paid for by gold, silver by silver, wheat by wheat, barley by barley, dates by dates, and salt by salt - like for like, equal for equal, payment being made on the spot. If the species differ, sell as you wish provided that payment is made on the spot) (Ahmad, 197 (Muslim) (Al-Bukary, 1991). They consider all the new banks? activities as usury implementations, any kind of lending money with fixed interest rate is considered as a forbidden activity, ?by proved evidences which can?t be refused by a Muslim, banks? deposit and investment certificates in Islamic jurisprudence is forbidden?(Al-Saloos,2005) Dr. Saloos defines forbidden usury as ?Any conditional addition on loan in all money forms, all addition to the deposit which mature in case of lengthening, and selling usury in its two kinds? (Al-Saloos, 2005), then he add ?The Islamic rule says every loan bringing profit is usury, that means every loan has a condition to be paid back with addition that includes usury. We consider this addition as usury? (Al-Saloos, 2005). On the other hand Dr. Saloos? point of view is supported with several historical Islamic jurists such as Al-Tabari ?if one man has credited other one for a certain period of time, and the man can?t pay on time , he asks to postpone with additional amount of money for the essential loan , that is the accumulative forbidden usury? (Al-Tabari, 1994). Al-Razi ?postpone usury was well known before Islam, money was paid and received monthly with a certain payment from the debtor, in where the essential capital could remain as it is, when the loan matured, debtor was asked to pay back the capital and if he couldn?t pay the capital, they used to postpone the maturity date with addition to capital, this is what is called as forbidden usury? (Al-Razi, 1996). Al-Ges?sas ??It?s known that usury was a loan to maturity for conditional addition, that the addition was instead of maturity, God cancelled and forbade it? (Al-Ges?sas, 1994). There is a significant difference between al-Ges?sas speeches and both Al-Razi and Al-Tabari, in their explanation both Al-Razi and Al-Tabari defined usury as addition to the essential capital when the loan matures, while the debtor can?t pay back. So usury is not the monthly payment which is asked for, it?s the addition to the essential credit amount when the loan matures and the debtor can?t pay it back, ?...if he can?t pay the capital, they postpone maturity date with addition to capital, this is the idea behind forbidden usury?. (Al-Razi, 1996), ?...and he asks to postpone with additional amount of money for the essential loan, this is the idea behind cumulative forbidden usury? (Al-Tabari, 1994). The difference between the monthly payment and the additional amount to the essential capital is that monthly payment has been assessed at the crediting time as creditor revenue from his capital, but the addition to the essential capital which is mentioned as usury is not assessed in the agreement; it?s added when the loan matures and the debtor can?t payback the capital, the creditor put him to face two choices either he pays or he adds to the essential capital, in the first case the debtor can refuse the agreement but in the second he can?t because he has already borrowed the loan and has no choice to refuse. Dr. Saloos as one of the famous Islamic banks authoritative source accounts the kind explained by Al-Razi and Al-Tabari as the cumulative usury, while Al-Ges?sas explains the normal usury which is forbidden as well; ??we?ll abandon the sources that are involved with cumulative usury to Al-Ges-sas speech?which clearly explained that credit for conditional addition is forbidden? (Al-Saloos, 2005). Al-Saloos concludes referring to Al-Ges?sas argument that it is not right; that postpone usury clearly is the addition to the main credited capital added when the creditor postpones the mature date because the debtor can?t pay back. Al-Saloos Justifies prohibiting as crediting for certain monthly payment with fixed interest rates including postpone usury, saying ?surplus usury is in selling activities not in credits and surplus usury is received in the same moment in where both commodity and prices are of the same type of money?( Al-Saloos, 2005). Then Dr. Saloos comes to his main point which is; banks? activities nowadays have become as usury because they includes postpone usury not surplus usury; ??It?s known that banks? interest is not a result of present sell that we can account as surplus usury, even surplus usury couldn?t be imaged in recent days? money? ( Al-Saloos, 2005). Further more this seems logical since surplus usury which is defined as the exchange of unequal qualities or quantities of the same commodity simultaneously, and surplus usury as well is forbidden under six conditions gold, silver, dates, wheat, salt, and barley by text and unanimous other wise all kind of trade will be forbidden, as surplus usury is not an introduction to prohibit loan interest, Saloos depend on postpone usury which is related to the postpone in mature date to conclude that loans interests and normal banks activities are prohibited by Islam law. As a result the Forbidden point of view of fixed interest crediting accounts this action as a type of postpone usury that fixed interest crediting activities include addition to the essential capital due to postponing of mature payment?s date. There are various perspectives in defining the prohibiting reason of banks? interests. Dr. Abed Al-Monem Al-Nemer the previous minister of Religious Endowments argues that ?Our scholars had forbidden bank activities since specification of profits lead to this prohibition, the lesion is the prohibition reason; when fixed interest causes lesion for the debtors? (Al-Nemer, 1989). Saloos opposes this opinion; ?the prohibition is the conditional addition not the lesion? (Al-Saloos, 2005), and ?surplus usury which is forbidden in six kinds gold, silver, dates, wheat, salt, and barley by text and unanimous? (Al-Saloos, 2004). He adds ?surplus usury which is forbidden proved in six kinds gold, silver, dates, wheat, salt, and barley by text and unanimous? (Al-Saloos, 2004). He further adds that ?The conditional addition is prohibited in all kinds of loans; even if it was not in the six mentioned kinds? (Al-Saloos, 2005). If we turned back to the main verse which prohibits usury no.280 in chapter 2 {? you may keep your capitals, without inflicting injustice, or incurring injustice. If the debtor is unable to pay, wait for a better time. If you give up the loan as a charity, it would be better for you, if you only knew} (usury verses translations, 2005). Depending in Koran the forbidden reason clearly is included in God speech {? without inflicting injustice or incurring injustice?} hence, Islam forbids the addition on capital for the reason of not inflicting injustice or incurring injustice, so the forbidden reason is not the conditional addition as Saloos mentioned, but rather the result of this activity which is injustice. Defining the prohibition reason is very important, according to jurisprudences ?the legitimate judgment related to the reason, if the reason remains the judgment remains, and if the reason disappears the judgment disappears as well? (Al-Jabery, 1991). This leads us to an important question in the new monetary system if we prohibit any kind of interest in loans; is this ensuring justice and preventing injustice? That?s why this study focuses later on usury in the light of time value money theory. 3.2 Fixed interests Allowance point of view The greatest Sheikh of Al-Azher the highest Islamic authority in the Islam world, Ahmed Shaltoot issue in 1952 one of the most important Islamic legal opinion or Fatwa about the interest of postal savings account and declined that there is nothing forbidden by Islamic law in this type of accounts, by not disobeying Islamic rule ?no harm and no harming? (Shaltoot, 1952). The greatest Sheikh of Al-Azher Dr. Mohamed Al-Tantawee issued later a new legal opinion in 11th of September 1989 published in all the Egyptian newspapers ?the specialist banks, such as industrial banks, agricultural banks, lending banks, and other similar kinds of banks that offer the needed money to the beneficial different project owners and tack suitable payments estimated by acceptable experiences as revenue or managerial expenses, acceptable in Islam law? (Al-Mosawer, 1989). Why did Al-Tantawee account banks activities as an acceptable one? He then adds; ?because banks utilize this money for its services which are offered to the banks? customers, this is an example of dealings and profiting which scholars accede as acceptable dealings due to Islamic law?( AL-Mosawer 1989). All Egyptian Newspapers published that Dr. Tantawee gives the conclusive Islamic opinion when deciding that ?fixing profit percentage previously is acceptable in Islam or Halal, and investing money in the banks which gives certain level of profit previously is acceptable as well? (Gedal, 2005). The highest Islamic law authority in Egypt Islamic searching academy accepts Dr. Tantawee opinion in banks interests (Gedal, 2005), he thus justifies his opinion about this type of investments by ?there is no texts in Koran or Sonnah prohibiting this type of investment, and fixing the level of profits is one of the acceptable things in Islamic law and logic? (Gedal, 2005). He estimates banks as depositor?s agent ?The banks are depositor?s agents; banks take depositors? money to invest it? (Gedal, 2005). Hence, Tantawees? opinion is based on 1- Banks? fixed interest activities are not usury activities. 2- Banks? activities are a type of investment. 3- Banks are depositor?s agents. 4- Fixing interest rate previously is an acceptable action and there is no Islamic text forbidding this activity. 5- Dr. Tantawee as mentioned previously evaluated banks? revenue as consideration of its services, offered to the banks? customers. Actually this opinion raises several matters 1- Banks are not depositor?s agents, thus they account the depositor?s money as liabilities under requests in any time, and the bank has an obligation by the law to payback the depositor his money when ever demanded. Banks? balance sheet appears ?Non interest-bearing demand checking deposits, saving deposits and NOW account, Money market deposit accounts, Time deposits, and Deposits at foreign branches as deposits not as equities? (Rose, 2002). 2- Deposits are the principal liability for any bank, ?banks dependent upon their deposits, which today usually support between 70 and 80 percent of their total assets? (Rose, 2002). 3- Depositor?s money is not affected by banks profits limit and doesn?t give money to the bank as an agent, so the agreement between the bank and the depositor is an independent agreement in which the bank should pay back the money with the interest when the date matures how ever the bank uses the money. 4- The proxy agreement , gives the right to use but at the same time the results of use reflect on subject of the agreement which is here the deposited money, and this is not right in the case of banks? deposits where deposits and interests are accounted as ?bank dept liability?( Rose, 2002). Hence, deposits and interests are nothing but banks? deposits, banks have the obligation to pay back its deposits no mater how it invests this deposits. Depending on this truth Dr. Tantawee?s opinion considering banks as a depositor?s agent is not true, the bank is a shareholder agent not a depositor?s agent. 5- Bank revenues are not only considered as services but as revenues for curing several kinds of risks as well; ?credit risks, liquidity risks, market risks, interest rate risks, earnings risks, and solvency risks?( Rose, 2002). Dr. Gamal Al-Deen Mhmoed The general secretary of the Islamic affairs highest council published in Al-Ahram journal a related important article ?The usury concept and new Economy? (Mhmoed, 2002), Dr. Mhmoed defines the reasons of forbidden usury ?usury forbidden aims to prevent debtor exploitation by the creditor, that the debtor is in need of the money to survive, if this is denied usury is denied as well? (Mhmoed, 2002). This reason doesn?t include in the relation between the banks and depositors, so Dr. Mhmoed concludes that there is no usury in this type of credits ?Banks these days are under governmental control and the depositor didn?t even imagine that he is exploiting the bank? (Mhmoed, 2002). Then Dr. Mahmoed refers to the Islamic rule arguing that jurists shouldn?t expand in prohibiting, as Islamic texts didn?t prohibit clearly this type of banks? activities ?the tendency to expand usury prohibition is against the Islamic jurisprudent rule which prevents prohibiting without clear text? (Mhmoed, 2002). Mhmoed also adds that banks are essential institutions in the new economy to finance the big projects which is important to improve the country?s Economy, ?the new manner in investment depends on big projects, which needs huge amounts of money, this needs thousands of depositors and trusted institutions which are banks? (Mhmoed, 2002). Hence, the major points in Dr. Mhmoed opinion are 1- Usury forbidding reason is to prevent debtor exploitation by the creditor. 2- In banking system this exploitation relation is accessible. 3- The jurists who expand in usury prohibiting including banking activities break the Islamic rule while deciding that prohibiting should be by clear Islamic text. 4- Banks are important in the new Economy to finance the big needed projects. The main weakness of this opinion is in defining the reason of usury forbidden as a preventing debtor exploited by the creditor, that even if using usury to exploit debtors was one of the mentioned forms of usury it is not the only form, usury as well was used to finance some kinds of commercial activities as an example ?Al-Abbas prophet Mohamed?s (PBUH) uncle was lending money for some merchants with usury before Islam? (Al-Saloos, 2005). Dr. Abed Al-Monem Al-Nemer the previous minister of Religious Endowments says ?Our scholars had forbidden bank activities since specification of profits leads to this prohibition, the lesion is the prohibition reason; when fixed interest causes lesion for the debtors? (Al-Nemer, 1989). Actually this is strange derivate of prohibiting reason ?harm which is a result of fixing interests?, the reason as the Koran verse defines it {? without inflicting injustice or incurring injustice?}, hence the reason of prohibiting usury is preventing injustice, to understand the concluded injustice, the proper way is to find what is the real value of money, justice loan prices as finance science decisions should be estimated in light of time value money.
  • GENERAL REVIEW OF THE USURY CONCEPT(1)

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    Usury concept in the religious texts Islamic texts involve the notarizing loans; the longest verse in Koran verse no. 282 of chapter two was about notarizing loans {O you who believe, when you transact a loan for any period, you shall write it down. An impartial scribe shall do the writing. No scribe shall refuse to perform this service, according to God?s teachings. He shall write, while the debtor dictates the terms. He shall observe GOD his Lord and never cheat. If the debtor is mentally incapable, or helpless, or cannot dictate, his guardian shall dictate equitably. Two men shall serve as witnesses; if not two men, then a man and two women whose testimony is acceptable to all. Thus, if one woman becomes biased, the other will remind her. It is the obligation of the witnesses to testify when called upon to do so. Do not tire of writing the details, no matter how long, including the time of repayment. This is equitable in the sight of GOD, assures better witnessing, and eliminates any doubts you may have. Business transactions that you execute on the spot need not be recorded, but have they witnessed. No scribe or witness shall be harmed on account of his services. If you harm them, it would be wickedness on your part. You shall observe GOD, and GOD will teach you. GOD is Omniscient} (Koran Translation, 2005). Historically the Muslims were involved with trade abroad. However; some of the payments were done in installments or totally paid in future, to insure this method Koran had laid details concerning this issue loans notarizing. Four verses in the holy Koran treated Usury concept First verse 130 of chapter 3 {O you who believe, you shall not take usury, compounded over and over. Observe GOD that you may succeed} (Usury verses translations, 2005). Second verse 161 of chapter 4 {and for practicing usury, which was forbidden, and for consuming the people's money illicitly. We have prepared for the disbelievers among them painful retribution.} (Usury verses translations, 2005) Third verse 39 of chapter 30 {The usury that is practiced to increase some people's wealth, does not gain anything at god. But if you give to charity, seeking God?s pleasure, these are the ones who receive their reward manifold} (Usury verses translations, 2005). Forth verses 275-280 of chapter 2 {Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, GOD permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with GOD. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever; GOD condemns usury, and blesses charities. GOD dislikes every disbeliever, guilty. O you who believe, you shall observe GOD and refrain from all kinds of usury, if you are believers. If you do not, then expect a war from GOD and His messenger. But if you repent, you may keep your capitals, without inflicting injustice, or incurring injustice. If the debtor is unable to pay, wait for a better time. If you give up the loan as a charity, it would be better for you, if you only knew} Hence in the first two verses God forbids the cumulative usury that grows fast and can?t be paid {?compounded over and over?}, that kind which leads the borrower to miserable situation because usury was used to slave people before Islam when they couldn?t pay back their cumulative loans, so it was logical to prohibit this kind of lending money. The third one enlightens that the real growth is by giving donation not by collecting usury, so it?s not a forbidden verse of lending money with interest; because it didn?t include forbidden order, its considered as the verse exerts people to give donation. The fourth is the verse which then forbids teams accounting it as absolutely forbidden as the study will explain when it reaches this opinion of absolutely forbidden, and it?s the same verse as well that the study will depend on to explain our image of usury in light of time value money theory.
  • Demand Estimation vs Forecasting

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    Help needed Please Differentiate between Demand Estimation vs Forecasting Looking Forward JMB
  • A Petition

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    From the Manufacturers of Candles, Tapers, Lanterns, Candlesticks, Street Lamps, Snuffers, and Extinguishers, and from the Producers of Tallow, Oil, Resin, Alcohol, and Generally of Everything Connected with Lighting. To the Honorable Members of the Chamber of Deputies. http//www.freeaudio.org/fbastiat/Bastiat_Candlemakers_Petition.mp3 http//www.econlib.org/library/bastiat/basSoph3.html A masterpiece of economics literature describing evils and utter absurdity of economics protectionism and government intervention in the free market, free-exchange of commodities and free-trade, thus diminishing Gods blessings, prosperity and peace among the people- one of the core virtues as per The Great Reading. A pretty short text however so powerful, so eloquent and so clear in its exposition of arguments that it speak better than thousands of volumes of voluminous and pretty boring economics textbooks which are quite often misleading on the topic. Although not quite the same kind of work, I would nevertheless placed it among such mighty pieces as Orwel's Animal's farm and 1984. Best wishes Zlatan
  • The Islamic dinar....And Real Estate and other...

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    Peace, This is a hadith based movement called Murabitun, however they have the basics right on an islamic economic system. Peace http//www.zpub.com/aaa/dinar.txt The EFFECT of the Dinar and the Dirham on the Real Estate Today you want to buy a house and a bank will offer you a mortgage. This is how the ring distorts the operationthe house The annual rent of this house is 10% of its value but,... the same money is offered by the bank at 5%, which considering inflation is a bargain! Why would the bank be so generous, when it could rent the house and obtain the house plus a higher 10% return? This is the paradox of the ring. Out of that 5% interest the bank will make a 100% profit with the mathematics of the ring. The borrower thinks that the interest is better than paying the rent, the bank makes a higher profit out of expanding money who loses? All the holders of the newly inflated currency by its loss of value (inflation).
  • The scam: From their own mouths

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    Peace, The fiat currency, fractional reserve banking is a sham of an economic system. I encourage all to read the following article, however for those who are not familiar with the subject I have highlighted the following quotes to stress the importance of the subject and encourage learning. (emphasis mine) http//www.mega.nu8080/ampp/corporate.html ``By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens...'' -John Maynard Keynes ``In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value.'' -Alan Greenspan, 1967 Keynes is the father of the activist monetary policy that is in practice today in the industrialized world. Greenspan, of course, is the current chairman of the Federal Reserve and of the FOMC. ``The Federal Reserve Banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers.'' -Congressman Louis T. McFadden ``...From now on depressions will be scientifically created.'' -Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., 1913, on the Federal Reserve Act ``We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.'' -Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank
  • Regulation corrupts?

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    http//www.mises.org/story/1852
  • Place and role of Goverment

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    "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Above are words of Frederic Bastiat that he has said attempting to define Goverment and imho he was very close... see his briliant treatise on the topic http//bastiat.org/en/government.html
  • Income Tax: Root of All Evil

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    http//www.mises.org/etexts/rootofevil.asp http//www.mises.org/etexts/rootofevil.pdf the title says it all... good reading!
  • What Has Government Done to Our Money?

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    http//www.mises.org/money.asp http//www.mises.org/rothbard/rothmoney.pdf Simple language -deep insight?exposing the myths about the money?short but elighteneing book?.it discusses the nature of money and explains what actually the money is(contrary to what is popularly believed)?he arrives at conclusions that are blatantly opposite to what is ussualy believed about money-unfounded myths that are cause of many impoverishement, abusements and injustice in the world?never i was able to take the phenomenon of money for granted as i did prior to reading this book?. Best wishes Zlatan
  • ar-riba

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    Peace all Is the traditional understanding of the term ar-riba correct? We read in the book that al-bay&a in oposition to ar-riba is permited, if i am not mistaken one of the meanings of bay&a is contract(mutual agreement)..could it be that usury/interest or gaining profit on lending money is unpermited only if it is not previously(prior to lending/borrowing)mutualy agreed upon?...that is in that case ar-riba would not reffer to any increasing over the the money lend but to asking increasement without the prior deal.... Looking forward to your input.....thanks in advance, (though one who seeks the gods pleasure doesn need it...) Best wishes, Zlatan
  • Re: Minumn Wage for all.....

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    That thought is exactly what we call COMMUNISM! Yeah so what's your point?