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    muslims
    wrote on last edited by
    #272

    Peace Muslims,

    I am only asking one question.

    What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

    God bless

    Salam hawk99

    You still don't get it?

    Who cares what it means in English.

    Allah never asked me to believe in the translation.

    There is only one Qur'an, and it is in Arabic. It is not in English.

    If you cannot find the accurate translation for the word "deen", then refer to its true meaning in Arabic. Why you want to distort and replace it with meaning not associated with the word "deen"? (root for deen dayn = debt)

    And please give reasons for your conclusion (refer here).

    Peace brother.

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      Sabina
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      #273

      Peace Brother Muslims,

      The Quran was ofcourse descended in Arabic (native)language on our prophet/messenger Mohammad. Please note that according to Ayats

      4458 - We have thus made it easy in your language, perhaps they may take heed.

      144 - And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise

      16103 - And We are aware that they say "A human being is teaching him." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic tongue.

      Suppose if Prophet Mohammad was born in France, then the Quran would have descened in French (native language of Prophet Mohammad to warn people going astray or to assure heaven for people who do good deeds).

      Language is not important. But the MESSAGE is.

      Sabina

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        muslims
        wrote on last edited by
        #274

        Language is not important. But the MESSAGE is.

        Salam Sabina,

        I agree but the issue to my discussion with hawk99 are as follows

        You say...

        If you all are referring to a language other than english, Islam may mean many things

        Arabic is a "language other than English".

        Therefore and according to you, "Islam may mean many things" in Arabic language.

        Now, what does the Qur'an say?

        an Arabic Qur'an
        without any deviance
        that they might become righteous
        (3928)

        It is inconsistent with the Qur'an.

        Therefore, the issue is whether the word (deen of) Islam is deviated in Arabic?
        (and the english translation is not deviated? ie. deen of Islam is religion of Islam)

        Do you understand what is the issue to our discussion?

        Peace.

        Main issue..

        Whether Allah accepts "Religion of Islam" or "Deen of Islam"?

        And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
        it will NEVER be accepted of him
        and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
        (<a href="http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=85">385</a&gt

        This begs the question What is islam..

        And no - it is not a RELIGION. All religions are MAN MADE.

        Peace

        Salam hawk99,

        Is this your argument? )

        1. "Madhab" is religion.
        2. "Deen" is not "Madhab".
        3. Therefore, Deen is religion (Madhab) in English.

        Why?

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          hawk99
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          #275

          Peace Muslims,

          I am only asking one question.

          What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

          If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
          various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
          than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.

          109/6 I am not calling anyone kafir, but just an example of translations.

          Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

          Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

          Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.

          Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

          Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.

          Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

          Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'

          God bless

          peace

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            muslims
            wrote on last edited by
            #276

            Peace Muslims,

            I am only asking one question.

            What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

            If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
            various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
            than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.

            109/6 I am not calling anyone kafir, but just an example of translations.

            Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

            Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

            Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.

            Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

            Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.

            Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

            Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'

            God bless

            peace

            Salam hawk99,

            How many times I have to answer you?

            Who cares what it means in English.

            Allah never asked me to believe in the translation.

            There is only one Qur'an, and it is in Arabic. It is not in English.

            In other words, your conclusion is irrelevant to the Deen of Islam. It is not Islam, and no real Muslim should be bothered to answer what is the true meaning of the Qur'an in the English language.

            Therefore, If you wish to believe the English Qur'an, no one is stopping you. One thing for sure, Allah only accepts Deen of Islam, and not Religion (Madhab) of Islam (385).

            And please give reasons for your conclusion (refer here).

            Peace brother.

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              hawk99
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              #277

              Peace Muslims,

              I understand, no offense intended handshake

              God bless

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                muslims
                wrote on last edited by
                #278

                Peace Muslims,

                I understand, no offense intended handshake

                God bless

                Peace hawk99

                God bless handshake

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                  muslims
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                    muslims
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #280

                    Objective

                    The recommended method for obedience of the Qur'an is initially through mastering the ibada of fasting (days), sadaqah, reading the Qur'an or dzikr and while doing good to others.

                    This is the Book (the Quran)
                    whereof there is no doubt
                    a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun <- The first condition to understand the Qur'an.
                    (22) Other than Al-Muttaqun?

                    Therefore, first objective = becoming Al-Muttaqun

                    Method

                    and basically, the objectives of Ibada are as follows

                    Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
                    that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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                    Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
                    and cause them increase.." (9103)
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                    Hajj (or else) "..That they may witness benefits for themselves
                    and mention the name of Allah.." (2228)
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                    Salat "..prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945)
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                    Shahada Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen

                    ...

                    Primary importance

                    Command War zone Objectives (primary importance)
                    (illusion) (reality)
                    Sawm/Fast -> How -> - become righteous (ourselves)
                    Sadaqah to - to purify ourselves
                    Hajj (or else) perform? - witness benefits in ourselves
                    Salat etc. - prohibits immorality/wrongdoing in ourselves
                    Shahada - understanding of reality (ourselves)

                    Requirement

                    Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

                    By no means shall you attain to righteousness
                    until you spend (benevolently)
                    out of what you love
                    and whatever thing you spend
                    Allah surely knows it
                    (392)

                    And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
                    Say What you can spare
                    Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
                    that you may ponder
                    (2219)

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                    Sadaqah Objective (Self Improvement)

                    100% (what you love) Attain to righteousness
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                    90% Attain what? futility?
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                    80% Attain what? futility?
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                    70% Attain what? futility?
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                    60% Attain what? futility?
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                    50% Attain what? futility?
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                    40% Attain what? futility?
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                    30% Attain what? futility?
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                    20% Attain what? futility?
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                    10% Attain what? futility?
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                    2.5% Attain what? futility? <- Zakah

                    Similarly...

                    Sawm/Fast Objective (Self Improvement)
                    (Level of starvation)
                    100% Attain to righteousness? <- Near to death experience?
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                    90% Attain what? futility?
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                    80% Attain what? futility?
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                    70% Attain what? futility?
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                    60% Attain what? futility?
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                    50% Attain what? futility?
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                    40% Attain what? futility?
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                    30% Attain what? futility?
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                    20% Attain what? futility?
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                    2.5% Attain what? futility? <- Fasting in the month of Ramadhan

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                      jhonsonmustafa
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                      #281

                      Salam hawk99

                      You still don't get it?

                      Who cares what it means in English.

                      Allah never asked me to believe in the translation.

                      There is only one Qur'an, and it is in Arabic. It is not in English.

                      If you cannot find the accurate translation for the word "deen", then refer to its true meaning in Arabic. Why you want to distort and replace it with meaning not associated with the word "deen"? (root for deen dayn = debt)

                      And please give reasons for your conclusion (refer here).

                      Peace brother.

                      Peace Brother,

                      No intention of picking up fight. You neglected 22, 178 and supporting Hadith.
                      Quran is the Root in language. Its only for reference. The Quran is available in 1000+ plus languages.
                      Those who wish Allah will reveal in native language.

                      144
                      And We did not send any messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

                      434
                      And verily, it is in the Mother Language of the Book, in Our Presence, high (in dignity), full of wisdom.

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                        jhonsonmustafa
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                        #282

                        Peace Brother Muslims,

                        The Quran was ofcourse descended in Arabic (native)language on our prophet/messenger Mohammad. Please note that according to Ayats

                        4458 - We have thus made it easy in your language, perhaps they may take heed.

                        144 - And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise

                        16103 - And We are aware that they say "A human being is teaching him." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic tongue.

                        Suppose if Prophet Mohammad was born in France, then the Quran would have descened in French (native language of Prophet Mohammad to warn people going astray or to assure heaven for people who do good deeds).

                        Language is not important. But the MESSAGE is.

                        Sabina

                        Excellent Sister. God Bless you

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                          muslims
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #283

                          Peace Brother,

                          No intention of picking up fight. You neglected 22, 178 and supporting Hadith.
                          Quran is the Root in language. Its only for reference. The Quran is available in 1000+ plus languages.
                          Those who wish Allah will reveal in native language.

                          144
                          And We did not send any messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

                          434
                          And verily, it is in the Mother Language of the Book, in Our Presence, high (in dignity), full of wisdom.

                          Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                          So am I, and please read and understand the issue to our discussion (refer here) before you bring any irrelevant assertion to the existing discussion.

                          Peace brother peace

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                            jhonsonmustafa
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                            #284

                            Peace Muslims,

                            I am only asking one question.

                            What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

                            If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
                            various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
                            than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.

                            109/6 I am not calling anyone kafir, but just an example of translations.

                            Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

                            Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

                            Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.

                            Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

                            Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.

                            Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

                            Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'

                            God bless

                            peace

                            Salam Brother,

                            Correct brother, Allah reveals Quran in their native language those who wish for straight path.

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                              muslims
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #285

                              What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

                              If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
                              various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
                              than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.

                              Correct brother, Allah reveals Quran in their native language those who wish for straight path.

                              Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                              I believe you have misunderstood his comment.

                              Peace brother peace

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                                jhonsonmustafa
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                                Objective

                                Method

                                Requirement

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                                Sadaqah Objective (Self Improvement)

                                100% (what you love) Attain righteousness
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                                90% Attain what? futility?
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                                80% Attain what? futility?
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                                60% Attain what? futility?
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                                50% Attain what? futility?
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                                40% Attain what? futility?
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                                2.5% Attain what? futility? <- Zakah

                                Similarly...

                                Sawm/Fast Objective (Self Improvement)
                                (Level of starvation)
                                100% Attain righteousness? <- Near to death experience?
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                                90% Attain what? futility?
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                                80% Attain what? futility?
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                                70% Attain what? futility?
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                                60% Attain what? futility?
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                                50% Attain what? futility?
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                                40% Attain what? futility?
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                                30% Attain what? futility?
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                                20% Attain what? futility?
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                                10% Attain what? futility?
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                                2.5% Attain what? futility? <- Fasting in the month of Ramadhan

                                Peace brother,

                                Could you please explain from Quran only.

                                I don't want Graphic Images. I want the words of intuition from Allah.

                                What is Ramadan ?
                                What is Fasting?
                                What is Hajj?
                                Whats is Salah?

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                                  Peace brother,

                                  Could you please explain from Quran only.

                                  I don't want Graphic Images. I want the words of intuition from Allah.

                                  What is Ramadan ?
                                  What is Fasting?
                                  What is Hajj?
                                  Whats is Salah?

                                  Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                  What am I explaining?

                                  Can you please read carefully before making any comment?

                                  Refer to the method section.

                                  Peace brother.

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                                    (refer to index)

                                    http//s11.postimg.org/hq4ht9ic3/humanunity.png

                                    Beyond Religion -> Sunnatullah

                                    Say, "O disbelievers,

                                    I do not worship what you worship <- Prostrate to God Alone, accordingly, any god/religion.
                                    Nor are you worshippers of what I worship <- Prostrate to Allah & Adam (Humanity), Sunnatullah.

                                    Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship <- Religious People & God Alone Concept.
                                    Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship <- Upright man (Muslim) - Unity, regardless of religion etc.

                                    For you is your deen <- Religion - Right or wrong - Fire Element - Sectarianism.
                                    and for me is my deen <- Deen - Unity - Sunnatullah - Justly balanced - Fire/Earth/Air/Water.
                                    (109)

                                    http//s13.postimg.org/6hprb216f/religionelement.png

                                    Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
                                    nor a Christian http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                                    but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
                                    a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
                                    and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

                                    Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
                                    are those
                                    who followed him
                                    and this Prophet
                                    and those who believe
                                    and Allah is the guardian of the believers
                                    (367-6

                                    And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam <- Religion of Islam vs. Deen of Islam
                                    it will NEVER be accepted of him
                                    and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
                                    (385)

                                    The Qur'an confirms other books, including hadith and other religious or man made books etc.

                                    Look for similarities
                                    to unite the society
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                                    They are free to
                                    practice their deen (way of life)
                                    (unconditional freedom)
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                                    (Fire/Air/Water/Earth) -> Confirmed by the Qur'an as..
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                                    +--> Torah ----------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Injeel ---------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Hadith --------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Sunni ----------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Shia ------------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Khawarij ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Buddhism -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Confucianism +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Hinduism ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Zoroastrianism +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    Qur'an +--> Scientology +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity
                                    Confirming --->| Texts |
                                    Book | +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity
                                    (Justly |
                                    Balanced) |
                                    +--> Atheism -------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Text/Laws
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Man made ----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Laws
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Company -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Laws
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Satanism -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Texts
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Mathematics -+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Sciences ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Geography ---+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Economy ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Accounting ---+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Computer -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> Political --------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    +--> and so on -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                                    Theory/Books
                                    +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                                    |
                                    |
                                    |
                                    |
                                    and so on

                                    For you is your deen
                                    (War Zone - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">God Alone</a> - Right vs. Wrong - Sectarianism)
                                    and
                                    For me is my deen
                                    (Human Unity - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">Prostrate to Adam</a> - All from Allah and "I Submit" to Justly Balanced)
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/109/6">1096</a&gt

                                    http//s23.postimg.org/ifq2vi2rv/warzone.png

                                    Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing (<a href="http//quran.com/29/45">2945</a&gt

                                    http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png

                                    Islam
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                                    Formula
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                                    Attributes
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                                    Understanding of Sunnatullah (Just & Balance) on the following attributes ...
                                    (How to blend these elements and creating the Planet of Earth - (<a href="http//quran.com/49/13">4913</a&gt)
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                                    +-----------------------------+-----------------------------+-----------------------------+
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                                    Fire Air Water Earth
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                                    Fire Air Water Earth
                                    South West East North
                                    Asmaullah Afaalullah Sifatullah Dzatullah
                                    Hablum Minallah Hablum Minannas Wisdom Khalif
                                    Qur'an Communication Knowledge Persistence
                                    Law / Policy Humanism Expertise Kusyu / Humble
                                    (Who is right?
                                    Who is wrong?)

                                    We can apply this formula in all aspects of our life

                                    The destructive aspect of the fire element.

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                                    http//s24.postimg.org/ebh5sqdth/fire.png

                                    Stand up for what is right and wrong .. black and white. <- War zone - fire elements

                                    The world will hate Islam.

                                    Society will break apart to pieces.

                                    Stand up for what is just and balance in the society.

                                    It will bring harmony.

                                    It will unite humanity.

                                    This is Islam.

                                    = Objective of Khalif -> Manager (To understand Just and Balance - To understand Sunnatullah)
                                    = Manager -> To manage the Earth -> Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator
                                    = To bring Balance
                                    -> Balance bring Justice
                                    -> Justice bring Harmony
                                    -> Harmony bring Security
                                    -> Security bring Happiness
                                    -> Happiness bring Love
                                    -> Love bring Satisfaction
                                    -> Satisfaction bring Alhamdulillah
                                    -> Alhamdulillah bring Fear (of losing Allah's attention/guidance etc ..
                                    as those person who are in deep love)
                                    -> Fear will motivate us to become better human being -> Khalif
                                    -> Khalif -> Reality
                                    -> Reality -> Allah
                                    = Din of Islam

                                    Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah
                                    is the most righteous of you <- justly balanced

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                                      These words (label) may be removed from the Muslim's minds ...

                                      Right Wrong

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                                      Justly balanced Unjust
                                      (maslahat = mudharat) (maslahat alone or mudharat alone)
                                      (to all living creatures) (for any selected sects or group of peoples)

                                      to humanity / living creatures

                                      (regardless of religion, sects, race or ethnic origin, belief, age etc.)

                                      From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

                                      It is the "Ihdina assirata almustaqeem" (16); "..and you become three kinds.." (567)

                                      Why it is about balance and just?

                                      Because ...

                                      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the fire element. -> unjust to the air, water and earth.
                                      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the air element. -> unjust to the fire, water and earth.
                                      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the water element. -> unjust to the fire, air and earth.
                                      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the earth element. -> unjust to the fire, air and water.
                                      We cannot change to what is right (just) in all these elements.
                                      We cannot change what is wrong (unjust) in all these elements.

                                      However, we can balance the major and minor "right (just)" in all these elements.
                                      ie. right 1 + right 2 + right 3 + right 4 and so on...

                                      ...

                                      Can 0% or less than 50% wrong (unjust) be achieved?

                                      Nope, because all these elements exist in all living creatures.

                                      It is Sunnatullah, and Allah is The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604.

                                      Therefore, our real issue in life is why human are fighting each other and standing for what is right or wrong? (refer here)

                                      Our real issue in life is why not stand up for human unity, based on what is just and balance?

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                                        Here is a wild suggestion.

                                        How to incorporate the Qur'an into any countries or laws?

                                        1. Forget about Islamic labels or identities (favorite issues to the Mushrikeen - sectarianism), and do not mention or represent the "religion" of Islam. Islam is not a religion. Focus on what is prohibited in the Qur'an and deals publicly with the question of how to improve the way of life (deen) of all human beings / living creatures.

                                        2. List all the "DO NOT" in the Qur'an.

                                        3. Study all religious texts and list all the "DO NOT" in their texts - named it whatever you like - eg. One World Religion Act, Humanitarian Acts etc. Avoid any Islamic names or identities.

                                        4. Study and master the rule in the "common laws and equity", and any other man-made laws. They cannot reject what is just to human beings, and especially, what come from the man made laws and their religious texts.

                                        5. Compare the "DO NOT" lists from both the Qur'an and their religious texts.

                                        6. List out all the "DO NOT" which are consistent or corroborate with the Qur'an.

                                        7. List out all the rules of equity or laws which are consistent or corroborate with the Qur'an (the "DO NOT" list).

                                        8. Prepare the draft bill/argument/debate to Parliament - or write books - or as a draft agreement between NGOs - or build website giving free draft agreements etc.

                                        9. Enacted as laws (not necessarily named as Islamic laws - the name is not important - avoid anything Islamic).

                                        The strategy can also be applied to any company or society constitution etc.

                                        Important institution = NGOs related to the research of laws and humanitarian etc.

                                        Peace.

                                        It is preferable for the objective to be related with something not causing "mudharat" (harm) to self, others and all living creatures; and according to their faith.

                                        The priority between .. "prohibition" vs. "command".

                                        What is "prohibited" (prevention/protection/preservation/justly balanced to human beings) should be given priority over what is commanded by Allah (compulsion to other religions or disbelievers, raise resistance).

                                        They said
                                        "Will You place upon it one
                                        who causes corruption therein <- mudharat
                                        and sheds blood
                                        while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?"
                                        (230)

                                        So there is no "to promote" in the objective, but "to prevent" (deen, dayn, debt, duty not to cause mudharat, duty to protect).

                                        Paradise
                                        |
                                        Allah's Command
                                        (maximum - mostly not achievable)
                                        (Bonus Level - Level for Individual)
                                        Compromise - Based on sincerity
                                        |
                                        100%
                                        |
                                        90%
                                        |
                                        80%
                                        |
                                        70%
                                        |
                                        60%
                                        |
                                        50%
                                        |
                                        40%
                                        |
                                        30%
                                        |
                                        20%
                                        |
                                        10%

                                        0 <------------ Prohibition (Do Not) ------------> 0

                                        Minimum Level for Unity in the Society (Foundation)
                                        (Acceptable by all living creatures as justly balanced - Unity - Society will improve from this level)
                                        No compromise
                                        |
                                        Hell

                                        O you who have believed
                                        DO NOT ASK about things
                                        which if they are shown to you
                                        will distress you <- Things that will cause resistance in the society. No unity! Mission failed!
                                        But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed
                                        they will be shown to you
                                        Allah has pardoned that which is past
                                        and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing <- It doesn't matter right or wrong, Allah will forgive!
                                        (5101)

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                                          For you is your deen <- Sectarianism - based on "religion" etc. - a bigot - God alone concept
                                          and for me is my deen <- Human Unity - based on "deen" - righteousness - fairness
                                          (109)

                                          Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion, so as Muhammad. Nonsectarian.
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                                          but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
                                          a Muslim <- Muslim = an upright man - a Muslim is defined by the above ayat
                                          and he was not one of the polytheists <- Sectarianism
                                          (367-6 Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

                                          Comparison (refer here)

                                          Hasty generalization <- sectarianism, religion, bigotry

                                          Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for A (unjust).
                                          Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for B (unjust).
                                          Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for C (unjust).
                                          Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for D (unjust).

                                          Therefore...

                                          Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for
                                          E (way of life - deen)
                                          F (way of life - deen)
                                          G (way of life - deen), etc.

                                          and..

                                          What about that is justly balanced in the Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc ?

                                          Sectarianism, according to one definition, is bigotry, discrimination, or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion, class, regional or factions of a political movement.

                                          The ideological underpinnings of attitudes and behaviours labelled as sectarian are extraordinarily varied. Members of a religious or political group may believe that their own salvation, or the success of their particular objectives, requires aggressively seeking converts from other groups; adherents of a given faction may believe that for the achievement of their own political or religious project their internal opponents must be converted or purged.

                                          Sometimes a group that is under economic or political pressure will kill or attack members of another group which it regards as responsible for its own decline. It may also more rigidly define the definition of "orthodox" belief within its particular group or organisation, and expel or excommunicate those who do not support this newfound clarified definition of political or religious 'orthodoxy'. In other cases, dissenters from this orthodoxy will secede from the orthodox organisation and proclaim themselves as practitioners of a reformed belief system, or holders of a perceived former orthodoxy. At other times, sectarianism may be the expression of a group's nationalistic or cultural ambitions, or exploited by demagogues; Wikipedia

                                          Sectarianism is
                                          bigotry
                                          discrimination
                                          or hatred

                                          arising from
                                          attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group
                                          such as between different denominations of
                                          a religion
                                          class
                                          regional
                                          or factions of a political movement

                                          Bigotry is

                                          the state of mind of a bigot

                                          someone who
                                          as a result of their prejudices
                                          treats other people with
                                          fear
                                          distrust
                                          hatred
                                          contempt
                                          or intolerance

                                          on the basis of a person's
                                          ethnicity
                                          religion
                                          national origin
                                          gender
                                          sexual orientation
                                          disability
                                          socioeconomic status
                                          or other characteristics

                                          A bigot is

                                          a prejudiced person
                                          who is intolerant
                                          of any opinions
                                          differing from their own

                                          or intolerant of people
                                          of different
                                          political views
                                          ethnicity
                                          race
                                          class
                                          religion
                                          profession
                                          sexuality
                                          or gender

                                          The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie (bigotry) in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". This meaning still survives in Italian, in the cognate word bigotto. The exact origin of the word is unknown, but it may have come from the German bei and Gott, or the English by God; Online Etymology Dictionary; see also Nobody wants to be called a bigot

                                          Discrimination is

                                          the prejudicial
                                          and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual

                                          based on their
                                          actual or perceived membership
                                          in a certain group or category
                                          "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated"

                                          Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah
                                          is the most righteous of you <- justly balanced; ie. fairness vs. a bigot

                                          And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
                                          it will NEVER be accepted of him
                                          and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
                                          (<a href="http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=85">385</a&gt

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