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Did staff of Moses (AS) really turn into snake?

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    huruf
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    I do not think anything can be proved about the story of Musa and Fir3awn studying the history of Anciente Egypt, because nothing tin the Qur'an suggests that Musa was there or that those wvents took pace in Egypt or that the kings of Egypt were in any way involved in them. Fir3awn is at most a small city lord of some place, but not of Wfypt least o all king of Egypt.

    Also, a lot can be read about the history of Acient Egypt but a big trouble with it is that it is mostly shaped from what the Bible and, less but also, the ideas shaped by Roman and Greek cultural conceptions. One has to pick very carefully about what one reads concerning Ancient Egyptian history.

    So, we are back to square one To prove or understand the Qur'an we should stick to the Qur'an and sound reasonning. Bringing purported history into the fray will set us back into importing ,once more, bilbical understandings into the Qur'an, without taking duly into account what the Qur'an itself is there to convey.

    So, I am asking again, if anybody feels like answering, of course as they see it

    What is it with Musa and his staff, is it a miracle, is it a symbolic spiritual meaning, is it an idiom or some idioms?

    Salaam

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      1. When Moses got the first revelation he saw fire and all his conversation with God was around the fire. Again support the theory that his staff was filled with mercury which i strongly believe that given by his step father Pharo. He was brought up in Pharo's temple but he was not interested in magic.
      2. When God asked Moses to threw staff it moved like snake. It didn't turn into snake but moved "LIKE" snake. Two times in the Quran Allah mentioned it which again support this theory.
      3. God replied in chapter 20 verse 21 . God used the word "" and not "" which means staff "" was changed again supports the theory.
      4. The time which magicians choose for competition was interesting.
      5. God knew before that Pharos would not be impressed by this act and in order to defeat Moses he would gather people to show them that he had greater magician then Moses in order to strengthen his grip. This is the time to expose their lies. People would never believe Moses until their lies not exposed.
      6. When Moses got those two signs from God the verses after that were very interesting in chapter 20. He said Moses] said, "My Lord, expand for me my breast (25) And ease for me my task (26) And untie the knot from my tongue (27) That they may understand my speech. (2. Again support my theory that God's scheme was to expose their lies and then spread the message of God.

      What are the arabic words? So i can show everyone the root word meanings.

      Edit* I found one of them which i think it's seerataha (&#1575

      Siin-Ya-Ra ( &#1585 = to go, travel, be current, move, journey. sairun - the act of giving, journey. siratun - state/condition, make/form. sayyaratun - company of travellers, caravan.

      sara vb. (1)
      perf. act. 2829
      impf. act. 12109, 2246, 309, 3544, 4021, 4082, 4710, 5210
      impv. 3137, 611, 1636, 2769, 2920, 3042, 3418
      n.vb. 3418, 5210

      sayyarah n.f. 596, 1210, 1219

      sirah n.f. 2021

      sayyara vb. (2) impf. act. 1022, 1847
      perf. pass. 1331, 7820, 813

      LL, V4, p 207, 208 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=syr

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        Peace Sardar,

        Please check Lane?s dictionary, you will find few examples.

        Salam
        NK

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          Peace Sardar,

          Please check Lane?s dictionary, you will find few examples.

          Salam
          NK

          Salam/Peace i will post the pages from Lane's Lexicon of Siin-Ra-Yaa

          http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/15/ll-1530.png

          http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/15/ll-1531.png

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            I do not think anything can be proved about the story of Musa and Fir3awn studying the history of Anciente Egypt, because nothing tin the Qur'an suggests that Musa was there or that those wvents took pace in Egypt or that the kings of Egypt were in any way involved in them. Fir3awn is at most a small city lord of some place, but not of Wfypt least o all king of Egypt.

            Also, a lot can be read about the history of Acient Egypt but a big trouble with it is that it is mostly shaped from what the Bible and, less but also, the ideas shaped by Roman and Greek cultural conceptions. One has to pick very carefully about what one reads concerning Ancient Egyptian history.

            Peace,

            how do you explain that Egypt was always called "Misr" from waaay long before the Qur'an?

            Why would Allah call another place "Misr" if the people of that time knew "Misr" as Egypt? Where is Misr if it is not Egypt, what is the Qur'anic evidence that it is not?

            The Qur'anic evidence that it is indeed Egypt, or a part of it, is present today

            The Qur'an says that the body of Pharaoh was preserved and made as a sign for us, Maurice Bucaille found the body of a Pharaoh named Ramses II whose autopsy revealed that he died from drowning, and a while later it was made into a mummy.

            The Qur'an also mentioned Haman, and after centuries of Christians mocking the Qur'an because Haman in the Bible is another character, ancient hieroglyphs showed clearly the name "Haman" as the chief of the stone quarry workers.

            The Qur'an also mentioned that Haman was commanded to build a tower, using baked clay, and recently a group of scientist discovered that some parts of the pyramid of Giza are not entirely made of limestone, but of baked clay.
            https//www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html

            So, we are back to square one To prove or understand the Qur'an we should stick to the Qur'an and sound reasonning. Bringing purported history into the fray will set us back into importing ,once more, bilbical understandings into the Qur'an, without taking duly into account what the Qur'an itself is there to convey.

            Mohammed was not in doubt about the Book of Moses reaching him

            And We have given Moses the Book; so do not be in any doubt about meeting Him its reaching; and We made it a guide for the Children of Israel.
            3223

            Jesus was also taught the Torah

            And He teaches him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.
            348

            We should not reject the Biblical Books that easy, in them is still the Guidance. Said that, in them there is also the additions and omission of men. We are the readers and we must be wise in interpreting it, and not rejecting it altogether. The Qur'an is the last Book of the Bible, and their verses are often linked together.
            The Qur'an was revealed to correct not to substitute the previous inspired Books.

            On Topic

            I watched the video, and I find his view very interesting, except that I have a few problems...
            If Moses did prepare the staff himself with magic, why was he scared when he threw it the first time?
            Why does Allah ask Moses to use the staff when crossing the sea? Can mercury produce such a thing?
            How did the golden calf use to emit sounds/cries? The Sumerian tells Aaron and Moses that "he noticed something that the others did not", so he grab soil from where Moses walked, and cast it into the calf. Most likeley, he saw the staff of Moses producing some kind of special effect.

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              Misr is a common name, which like for instance in London with the name The City, may be made into a proper name for those who know it so, but basically it is not the name of a place but the common name for peopled places. Egypt was not called Misr in ancient Egyptian nor in older Arabic. Cairo, today is called Masr, as it would be called the City, because it was very populated, the same as when people living around a town, calle such a town, merely town.

              Fir3awn is a proper name, not a title. The kings of Egypt were kings, not pharaoh or anything like that, that was borrowed from the Bible which took a proper name, Firwawn, and made a title out of it for its particular purposes.

              As to the Qur'an,
              Did Egypt have several gates to enter itas the sons of Ya3ub are told to enter thorugh different gates?

              Has God levelled the pyramids or the sphinx or the ancient Egptian temples as it is said that He would have done in 7.138 if in fact He is referring to Egypt? Did the King of Egypt have to recruit people from hamlets in order to go after Musa's people as it is depicted int he Qur'an Fir3awn did? The things that re adscribed to a misr in the Qur'an cannot apply to Egypt, to Ancient Egypt. It does nto match, not at all.

              m-S-r is an Arabic root which means
              found, settle, civilise, colonize; to become a propulated, civilised area, become a city, a metropolis,

              misr city, metropolis, capital,

              Salaam

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                For another approach, you may wish to have a look at this post
                https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12328.msg96637#msg96637

                Peace

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                  For another approach, you may wish to have a look at this post
                  https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12328.msg96637#msg96637

                  Peace

                  Salam/Peace JM, what are your thoughts on the video and this

                  Okay i found 3 verses that mentions the snake or serpent as Abu Layth Al-Maliki mentioned and it's 7107, 2020 and 2632 and i think it's best that i should show the verses with context in arabic because i am uncertain the translation for this topic and it's going to be a long list so please, have patience and read

                  7100
                  Awa lam yahdi lillatheena yarithoonaal-arda min baAAdi ahliha an law nashao asabnahumbithunoobihim wanatbaAAu AAala quloobihimfahum la yasmaAAoona

                  7101
                  Tilka alqura naqussu AAalaykamin anba-iha walaqad jaat-hum rusuluhum bialbayyinatifama kanoo liyu/minoo bima kaththaboomin qablu kathalika yatbaAAu Allahu AAalaquloobi alkafireena

                  7102
                  Wama wajadna li-aktharihimmin AAahdin wa-in wajadna aktharahum lafasiqeena

                  7103
                  Thumma baAAathna min baAAdihim moosabi-ayatina ila firAAawna wamala-ihifathalamoo biha faonuthurkayfa kana AAaqibatu almufsideena

                  7104
                  Waqala moosa yafirAAawnu innee rasoolun min rabbi alAAalameena

                  7105
                  Haqeequn AAala an laaqoola AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa qadji/tukum bibayyinatin min rabbikum faarsil maAAiya banee isra-eela

                  7106
                  Qala in kunta ji/ta bi-ayatinfa/ti biha in kunta mina alssadiqeena

                  7107
                  Faalqa AAasahu fa-ithahiya thuAAbanun mubeenun

                  7108
                  WanazaAAa yadahu fa-itha hiya baydaolilnnathireena

                  7109
                  Qala almalao min qawmi firAAawnainna hatha lasahirun AAaleemun

                  7110
                  Yureedu an yukhrijakum min ardikumfamatha ta/muroona

                  7111
                  Qaloo arjih waakhahu waarsilfee almada-ini hashireena

                  7112
                  Ya/tooka bikulli sahirin AAaleemin

                  7113
                  Wajaa alssaharatufirAAawna qaloo inna lana laajran in kunnanahnu alghalibeena

                  7114
                  Qala naAAam wa-innakum laminaalmuqarrabeena

                  7115
                  Qaloo ya moosa immaan tulqiya wa-imma an nakoona nahnu almulqeena

                  7116
                  Qala alqoo falamma alqaw saharooaAAyuna alnnasi waistarhaboohum wajaoobisihrin AAatheemin

                  7117
                  Waawhayna ila moosaan alqi AAasaka fa-itha hiya talqafu maya/fikoona

                  7118
                  FawaqaAAa alhaqqu wabatala makanoo yaAAmaloona

                  7119
                  Faghuliboo hunalika wainqalaboosaghireena

                  7120
                  Waolqiya alssaharatu sajideena

                  7121
                  Qaloo amanna birabbialAAalameena

                  7122
                  Rabbi moosa waharoona

                  209
                  Wahal ataka hadeethu moosa

                  2010
                  Ith raa naran faqalali-ahlihi omkuthoo innee anastu naran laAAallee ateekumminha biqabasin aw ajidu AAala alnnarihudan

                  2011
                  Falamma ataha noodiya yamoosa

                  2012
                  Innee ana rabbuka faikhlaAAnaAAlayka innaka bialwadi almuqaddasi tuwan

                  2013
                  Waana ikhtartuka faistamiAAlima yooha

                  2014
                  Innanee ana Allahu lailaha illa ana faoAAbudnee waaqimi alssalatalithikree

                  2015
                  Inna alssaAAata atiyatunakadu okhfeeha litujza kullu nafsin bimatasAAa

                  2016
                  Fala yasuddannaka AAanhaman la yu/minu biha waittabaAAa hawahufatarda

                  2017
                  Wama tilka biyameenika ya moosa

                  2018
                  Qala hiya AAasaya atawakkaoAAalayha waahushshu biha AAala ghanameewaliya feeha maaribu okhra

                  2019
                  Qala alqiha ya moosa

                  2020
                  Faalqaha fa-itha hiya hayyatuntasAAa

                  Here is something i noticed, Hayyatun (&#1577 come from the root word Ha-Ya-Ya ( &#1610 and from what i seen in PRL (Project Root-List) it does not mentioned the meaning snake or serpent

                  Ha-Ya-Ya = (a doubly imperfect verb) To live, be alive, be ashamed, spend (the night) awake, fertilize the earth, keep anyone alive; spare any one, let anyone alive, remove prudency, modesty and shamefulness, make immodest, To be in good condition, have the means of subsistence, to be apparent or distinct, have prolonged or preserved life, free from evil or harm, have dominion, be honored, receive benefit, to salute, to enliven/revive/give life to, to nourish, vivify/re-vivify/revive/resuscitate, endue/quicken with life, (said of land) to be tilled and made productive, to remain awake, to shrink from a thing, to forbear, to feel or have a sense of or be moved or affected with shame/shyness/bashfulness, be ashamed/shy of doing a thing, disdain or scorn a thing, abstain from a thing/refuse to do it. (http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm)

                  2021
                  Qala khuthha walatakhaf sanuAAeeduha seerataha al-oola

                  2022
                  Waodmum yadaka ila janahikatakhruj baydaa min ghayri soo-in ayatan okhra

                  2023
                  Linuriyaka min ayatinaalkubra

                  2024
                  Ithhab ila firAAawna innahu tagha

                  2025
                  Qala rabbi ishrah lee sadree

                  2026
                  Wayassir lee amree

                  2027
                  Waohlul AAuqdatan min lisanee

                  2028
                  Yafqahoo qawlee

                  2029
                  WaijAAal lee wazeeran min ahlee

                  2030
                  Haroona akhee

                  2031
                  Oshdud bihi azree

                  2032
                  Waashrik-hu fee amree

                  2033
                  Kay nusabbihaka katheeran

                  2034
                  Wanathkuraka katheeran

                  2035
                  Innaka kunta bina baseeran

                  2036
                  Qala qad ooteeta su/laka yamoosa

                  2037
                  Walaqad mananna AAalayka marratanokhra

                  2038
                  Ith awhayna ilaommika ma yooha

                  2039
                  Ani iqthifeehi fee alttabootifaiqthifeehi fee alyammi falyulqihi alyammu bialssahiliya/khuthhu AAaduwwun lee waAAaduwwun lahu waalqaytuAAalayka mahabbatan minnee walitusnaAAa AAalaAAaynee

                  2040
                  Ith tamshee okhtuka fataqoolu haladullukum AAala man yakfuluhu farajaAAnaka ilaommika kay taqarra AAaynuha wala tahzanawaqatalta nafsan fanajjaynaka mina alghammi wafatannakafutoonan falabithta sineena fee ahli madyana thumma ji/ta AAalaqadarin ya moosa

                  2041
                  WaistanaAAtuka linafsee

                  2042
                  Ithhab anta waakhooka bi-ayateewala taniya fee thikree

                  2043
                  Ithhaba ila firAAawnainnahu tagha

                  2044
                  Faqoola lahu qawlan layyinanlaAAallahu yatathakkaru aw yakhsha

                  2045
                  Qala rabbana innananakhafu an yafruta AAalayna aw an yatgha

                  2046
                  Qala la takhafainnanee maAAakuma asmaAAu waara

                  2047
                  Fa/tiyahu faqoola innarasoola rabbika faarsil maAAana banee isra-eelawala tuAAaththibhum qad ji/naka bi-ayatinmin rabbika waalssalamu AAala mani ittabaAAaalhuda

                  2048
                  Inna qad oohiya ilaynaanna alAAathaba AAala man kaththaba watawalla

                  2049
                  Qala faman rabbukuma yamoosa

                  2050
                  Qala rabbuna allatheeaAAta kulla shay-in khalqahu thumma hada

                  2051
                  Qala fama balualqurooni al-oola

                  2052
                  Qala AAilmuha AAinda rabbeefee kitabin la yadillu rabbee walayansa

                  2610
                  Wa-ith nada rabbukamoosa ani i/ti alqawma alththalimeena

                  2611
                  Qawma firAAawna ala yattaqoona

                  2612
                  Qala rabbi innee akhafu anyukaththibooni

                  2613
                  Wayadeequ sadree walayantaliqu lisanee faarsil ila haroona

                  2614
                  Walahum AAalayya thanbun faakhafuan yaqtulooni

                  2615
                  Qala kalla faithhababi-ayatina inna maAAakum mustamiAAoona

                  2616
                  Fa/tiya firAAawna faqoola innarasoolu rabbi alAAalameena

                  2617
                  An arsil maAAana banee isra-eela

                  2618
                  Qala alam nurabbika feenawaleedan walabithta feena min AAumurika sineena

                  2619
                  WafaAAalta faAAlataka allatee faAAaltawaanta mina alkafireena

                  2620
                  Qala faAAaltuha ithanwaana mina alddalleena

                  2621
                  Fafarartu minkum lamma khiftukumfawahaba lee rabbee hukman wajaAAalanee mina almursaleena

                  2622
                  Watilka niAAmatun tamunnuha AAalayyaan AAabbadta banee isra-eela

                  2623
                  Qala firAAawnu wama rabbu alAAalameena

                  2624
                  Qala rabbu alssamawatiwaal-ardi wama baynahuma in kuntummooqineena

                  2625
                  Qala liman hawlahu alatastamiAAoona

                  2626
                  Qala rabbukum warabbu aba-ikumual-awwaleena

                  2627
                  Qala inna rasoolakumu allatheeorsila ilaykum lamajnoonun

                  2628
                  Qala rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribiwama baynahuma in kuntum taAAqiloona

                  2629
                  Qala la-ini ittakhathta ilahanghayree laajAAalannaka mina almasjooneena

                  2630
                  Qala awa law ji/tuka bishay-in mubeenin

                  2631
                  Qala fa/ti bihi in kunta mina alssadiqeena

                  2632
                  Faalqa AAasahu fa-ithahiya thuAAbanun mubeenun

                  2633
                  WanazaAAa yadahu fa-itha hiya baydaolilnnathireena

                  2634
                  Qala lilmala-i hawlahu inna hathalasahirun AAaleemun

                  2635
                  Yureedu an yukhrijakum min ardikumbisihrihi famatha ta/muroona

                  2636
                  Qaloo arjih waakhahu waibAAathfee almada-ini hashireena

                  2637
                  Ya/tooka bikulli sahharin AAaleemin

                  2638
                  FajumiAAa alssaharatu limeeqatiyawmin maAAloomin

                  2639
                  Waqeela lilnnasi hal antummujtamiAAoona

                  2640
                  LaAAallana nattabiAAu alssaharatain kanoo humu alghalibeena

                  2641
                  Falamma jaa alssaharatuqaloo lifirAAawna a-inna lana laajran in kunnanahnu alghalibeena

                  2642
                  Qala naAAam wa-innakum ithanlamina almuqarrabeena

                  2643
                  Qala lahum moosa alqoo maantum mulqoona

                  2644
                  Faalqaw hibalahum waAAisiyyahumwaqaloo biAAizzati firAAawna inna lanahnualghaliboona

                  2645
                  Faalqa moosa AAasahufa-itha hiya talqafu ma ya/fikoona

                  2646
                  Faolqiya alssaharatu sajideena

                  2647
                  Qaloo amanna birabbialAAalameena

                  2648
                  Rabbi moosa waharoona

                  2645
                  Faalqa moosa AAasahufa-itha hiya talqafu ma ya/fikoona

                  Now here is something interesting, talqafu (&#1601 in in it's root word (Lam-Qaf-Fa - &#1601 means To catch up hurriedly, seize, swallow up quickly, destroy, undo, eat up, catch and retain, collapse, fall upon the enemy, crumble down and Ya/Fikoona in it's root word (Alif-Fa-Kaf - &#1603 means

                  change its manner/state, turn it away/back, change/pervert opinion/judgement, deceive, lie/falsehood/untruth, overturn, seduce.

                  And look at that the derivatives!

                  Ya'fikuuna (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu.) They feign, make a false show.
                  Ta'fiku (imp. 2nd. p. m. plu.) Thou turn away, seduce.
                  Tu'fikuuna (pip. 2nd. p. plu.) You are turned away.
                  Ufika (pp. 3rd. p. m. sing.) He was turned away, was deluded away.
                  Yu'faku (pip. 3rd. p. m. sing.) He is turned away.
                  Yu'fakuuna (pip. 3rd. p. m. plu.) They are turned away.
                  Ifkun (n.) Lie; Slander.
                  Affaak (n) Big slanderer.
                  Mu'tafikatu (ap-der. f. sing. VIII) Subverted; Overturned; Pulled down (city).
                  Mu'taftUt (ap-der. f. plu. VIII) Subverted.

                  What are the arabic words? So i can show everyone the root word meanings.

                  Edit* I found one of them which i think it's seerataha (&#1575

                  Siin-Ya-Ra ( &#1585 = to go, travel, be current, move, journey. sairun - the act of giving, journey. siratun - state/condition, make/form. sayyaratun - company of travellers, caravan.

                  sara vb. (1)
                  perf. act. 2829
                  impf. act. 12109, 2246, 309, 3544, 4021, 4082, 4710, 5210
                  impv. 3137, 611, 1636, 2769, 2920, 3042, 3418
                  n.vb. 3418, 5210

                  sayyarah n.f. 596, 1210, 1219

                  sirah n.f. 2021

                  sayyara vb. (2) impf. act. 1022, 1847
                  perf. pass. 1331, 7820, 813

                  LL, V4, p 207, 208 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=syr

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                    huruf
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                    For another approach, you may wish to have a look at this post
                    https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12328.msg96637#msg96637

                    Peace
                    He said ?So who is the lord of you both O Moses??
                    He said ?Our Lord is the One who gave everything its creation, then guided.?
                    He said ?What then has happened to the previous generations??
                    He said ?It?s knowledge is with my Lord, in a record. My Lord does not err or forget.?
                    The One who made for you the Earth habitable and He made ways for you in it, and He brought down water from the sky, so We brought out with it pairs of vegetation of all types.
                    Eat and raise your livestock, in that are signs for those of thought.
                    From it We created you and in it We return you, and from it We bring you out another time.
                    And We showed him Our signs, all of them, but he denied and refused.
                    He said ?Have you come to us to take us out of our land with your magic O Moses??

                    Then after them We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his leaders. But they did wrong in them, so see how is the end of the corrupters.
                    And Moses said ?O Pharaoh, I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds.?
                    ?It is not proper for me to say about God except the truth; I have come to you with proof from your Lord. So send with me the Children of Israel.?
                    He said ?If you have come with a sign then bring it, if you are of the truthful??
                    He threw down his staff and it manifested into a serpent.
                    And he drew out his hand, and it became pure white for the onlookers.
                    The commanders from among the people of Pharaoh said ?This is a knowledgeable magician!?
                    ?He wishes to drive you out of your land; what is your command??

                    In the first account (), Moses explains to Pharaoh all the signs of the universes. He shows the signs of God exactly in the same way as in the Quran.
                    And, in the second account (), Moses turns his staff into a serpent, and show his hand white.

                    My understanding is that the second account is a metaphor of the first one. It means that the discourse of Moses was so convincing that it was as if he has turned a staff into a serpent.

                    If you want to check the dictionary, you will see that a white hand (yad baida) can mean an argument very clear, a demonstrating, a demonstrated argument, an allegation, or an evidence.

                    Good explanation, sound.

                    Miracle is just another word for saying "I do not know how it happenned, or how it was done".

                    As soon as we know how something was done we stop believing it is a miracle.

                    The fact is tht we think we know how many things are done, but the fact is that ONLY GOD knows how He does thing, and He is the one who does absolutely everything. And that there is nothing that is not a miracle. To believe in miracles means that the person who believes that does not believe that everyhting is a miracle, because neither we can replicate it nor can we explain it completely, although many times we may think we do know, but we just know something, a little bit.

                    I disagree with the people who believe in miracles because they really are not appreciating God's creation, if they did they would realise that there is nothing that is not a miracle.

                    Salaam

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                      Peace Sardar,

                      I am not sure if you got the answer what you were looking for. The meaning of the word which you are looking for simply means condition or state but not physical as for physical condition Quran used a different word. I hope it helps.

                      Salam,
                      NK

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                        Peace Sardar,

                        I am not sure if you got the answer what you were looking for. The meaning of the word which you are looking for simply means condition or state but not physical as for physical condition Quran used a different word. I hope it helps.

                        Salam,
                        NK

                        Which arabic words in the verses? So i can find the root words in PRL. Sorry if i forgot, my memory is not the best sometimes.

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                          Peace IsaMuslim,

                          You have asked following questions in your post

                          <<<If Moses did prepare the staff himself with magic, why was he scared when he threw it the first time?
                          Why does Allah ask Moses to use the staff when crossing the sea? Can mercury produce such a thing?
                          How did the golden calf use to emit sounds/cries? The Sumerian tells Aaron and Moses that "he noticed something that the others did not", so he grab soil from where Moses walked, and cast it into the calf. Most likeley, he saw the staff of Moses producing some kind of special effect.>>>

                          I will answer only those questions which are related to this topic. Other questions require lengthy answers.

                          First question Moses did not prepare the staff. That is the point. He was herding the sheep in Maiden for 8 years and serpent was not an unusual experience for him. Like i said in my answer (if you get the chance to read it). Moses was brought up in Pharaoh's house. In their circle they knew the trick how to magically turn sticks into serpents. I have strong believe that this staff was given to him by his step-father who died later on. Like others, he was also an honourable member of their family. It was an unusual experience for Moses when he saw his staff moving like a serpent. Moses didn't know that the staff which he was carrying for herding the sheep had the potential to move like serpent when liquid mercury become hot but God knew. His reaction was very natural.

                          Second question In Arabic staff also means congregation, people or nation. Staff has nothing to do with the sea. Sea recedes during high and low tides which is a natural phenomena. It is very common these days. For your reference please watch the video below.

                          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfeCa3lwvQE

                          I hope it helps.

                          Salam,
                          NK

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                            In Arabic staff also means congregation, people or nation. Staff has nothing to do with the sea. Sea recedes during high and low tides which is a natural phenomena. It is very common these days. For your reference please watch the video below.

                            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfeCa3lwvQE

                            I hope it helps.

                            Salam,
                            NK

                            Is this arabic word you are referring to?

                            Ayn-Sad-Waw = to strike with a stick. asiya/ya'sa - to take a stick, come together, collection, accumulation, amazing, gathering, assemblage, congregation. asa - staff, stick, rod, supports, nation, mastery, people, party, tongue, skin, bone. idrib bi asaka al hajer - strike with your staff on the rock, go forth with your people.

                            asa n.f. (pl. isiy) 260, 7107, 7117, 7160, 2018, 2066, 2632, 2644, 2645, 2663, 2710, 2831

                            Lane's Lexicon, Volume 5, pages 353, 354 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=eSw

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                              Peace Sardar,

                              Yes, you are right about the root word of Staff.

                              For the root word of "SIRAT", On the PRL i have found this

                              Siin-Ya-Ra = to go, travel, be current, move, journey. sairun - the act of giving, journey. siratun - state/condition, make/form. sayyaratun - company of travellers, caravan.

                              sara vb. (1)
                              perf. act. 2829
                              impf. act. 12109, 2246, 309, 3544, 4021, 4082, 4710, 5210
                              impv. 3137, 611, 1636, 2769, 2920, 3042, 3418
                              n.vb. 3418, 5210

                              sayyarah n.f. 596, 1210, 1219

                              sirah n.f. 2021

                              sayyara vb. (2) impf. act. 1022, 1847
                              perf. pass. 1331, 7820, 813

                              LL, V4, p 207, 208 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=syr

                              I hope this time i be able to explain it clearly. I have made the meaning in BOLD for your convenience.

                              Salam,
                              NK

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