Did staff of Moses (AS) really turn into snake?
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I do not think anything can be proved about the story of Musa and Fir3awn studying the history of Anciente Egypt, because nothing tin the Qur'an suggests that Musa was there or that those wvents took pace in Egypt or that the kings of Egypt were in any way involved in them. Fir3awn is at most a small city lord of some place, but not of Wfypt least o all king of Egypt.
Also, a lot can be read about the history of Acient Egypt but a big trouble with it is that it is mostly shaped from what the Bible and, less but also, the ideas shaped by Roman and Greek cultural conceptions. One has to pick very carefully about what one reads concerning Ancient Egyptian history.
Peace,
how do you explain that Egypt was always called "Misr" from waaay long before the Qur'an?
Why would Allah call another place "Misr" if the people of that time knew "Misr" as Egypt? Where is Misr if it is not Egypt, what is the Qur'anic evidence that it is not?
The Qur'anic evidence that it is indeed Egypt, or a part of it, is present today
The Qur'an says that the body of Pharaoh was preserved and made as a sign for us, Maurice Bucaille found the body of a Pharaoh named Ramses II whose autopsy revealed that he died from drowning, and a while later it was made into a mummy.
The Qur'an also mentioned Haman, and after centuries of Christians mocking the Qur'an because Haman in the Bible is another character, ancient hieroglyphs showed clearly the name "Haman" as the chief of the stone quarry workers.
The Qur'an also mentioned that Haman was commanded to build a tower, using baked clay, and recently a group of scientist discovered that some parts of the pyramid of Giza are not entirely made of limestone, but of baked clay.
https//www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.htmlSo, we are back to square one To prove or understand the Qur'an we should stick to the Qur'an and sound reasonning. Bringing purported history into the fray will set us back into importing ,once more, bilbical understandings into the Qur'an, without taking duly into account what the Qur'an itself is there to convey.
Mohammed was not in doubt about the Book of Moses reaching him
And We have given Moses the Book; so do not be in any doubt about meeting Him its reaching; and We made it a guide for the Children of Israel.
3223Jesus was also taught the Torah
And He teaches him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.
348We should not reject the Biblical Books that easy, in them is still the Guidance. Said that, in them there is also the additions and omission of men. We are the readers and we must be wise in interpreting it, and not rejecting it altogether. The Qur'an is the last Book of the Bible, and their verses are often linked together.
The Qur'an was revealed to correct not to substitute the previous inspired Books.On Topic
I watched the video, and I find his view very interesting, except that I have a few problems...
If Moses did prepare the staff himself with magic, why was he scared when he threw it the first time?
Why does Allah ask Moses to use the staff when crossing the sea? Can mercury produce such a thing?
How did the golden calf use to emit sounds/cries? The Sumerian tells Aaron and Moses that "he noticed something that the others did not", so he grab soil from where Moses walked, and cast it into the calf. Most likeley, he saw the staff of Moses producing some kind of special effect. -
Misr is a common name, which like for instance in London with the name The City, may be made into a proper name for those who know it so, but basically it is not the name of a place but the common name for peopled places. Egypt was not called Misr in ancient Egyptian nor in older Arabic. Cairo, today is called Masr, as it would be called the City, because it was very populated, the same as when people living around a town, calle such a town, merely town.
Fir3awn is a proper name, not a title. The kings of Egypt were kings, not pharaoh or anything like that, that was borrowed from the Bible which took a proper name, Firwawn, and made a title out of it for its particular purposes.
As to the Qur'an,
Did Egypt have several gates to enter itas the sons of Ya3ub are told to enter thorugh different gates?Has God levelled the pyramids or the sphinx or the ancient Egptian temples as it is said that He would have done in 7.138 if in fact He is referring to Egypt? Did the King of Egypt have to recruit people from hamlets in order to go after Musa's people as it is depicted int he Qur'an Fir3awn did? The things that re adscribed to a misr in the Qur'an cannot apply to Egypt, to Ancient Egypt. It does nto match, not at all.
m-S-r is an Arabic root which means
found, settle, civilise, colonize; to become a propulated, civilised area, become a city, a metropolis,misr city, metropolis, capital,
Salaam
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For another approach, you may wish to have a look at this post
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For another approach, you may wish to have a look at this post
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Salam/Peace JM, what are your thoughts on the video and this
Okay i found 3 verses that mentions the snake or serpent as Abu Layth Al-Maliki mentioned and it's 7107, 2020 and 2632 and i think it's best that i should show the verses with context in arabic because i am uncertain the translation for this topic and it's going to be a long list so please, have patience and read
7100
Awa lam yahdi lillatheena yarithoonaal-arda min baAAdi ahliha an law nashao asabnahumbithunoobihim wanatbaAAu AAala quloobihimfahum la yasmaAAoona7101
Tilka alqura naqussu AAalaykamin anba-iha walaqad jaat-hum rusuluhum bialbayyinatifama kanoo liyu/minoo bima kaththaboomin qablu kathalika yatbaAAu Allahu AAalaquloobi alkafireena7102
Wama wajadna li-aktharihimmin AAahdin wa-in wajadna aktharahum lafasiqeena7103
Thumma baAAathna min baAAdihim moosabi-ayatina ila firAAawna wamala-ihifathalamoo biha faonuthurkayfa kana AAaqibatu almufsideena7104
Waqala moosa yafirAAawnu innee rasoolun min rabbi alAAalameena7105
Haqeequn AAala an laaqoola AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa qadji/tukum bibayyinatin min rabbikum faarsil maAAiya banee isra-eela7106
Qala in kunta ji/ta bi-ayatinfa/ti biha in kunta mina alssadiqeena7107
Faalqa AAasahu fa-ithahiya thuAAbanun mubeenun7108
WanazaAAa yadahu fa-itha hiya baydaolilnnathireena7109
Qala almalao min qawmi firAAawnainna hatha lasahirun AAaleemun7110
Yureedu an yukhrijakum min ardikumfamatha ta/muroona7111
Qaloo arjih waakhahu waarsilfee almada-ini hashireena7112
Ya/tooka bikulli sahirin AAaleemin7113
Wajaa alssaharatufirAAawna qaloo inna lana laajran in kunnanahnu alghalibeena7114
Qala naAAam wa-innakum laminaalmuqarrabeena7115
Qaloo ya moosa immaan tulqiya wa-imma an nakoona nahnu almulqeena7116
Qala alqoo falamma alqaw saharooaAAyuna alnnasi waistarhaboohum wajaoobisihrin AAatheemin7117
Waawhayna ila moosaan alqi AAasaka fa-itha hiya talqafu maya/fikoona7118
FawaqaAAa alhaqqu wabatala makanoo yaAAmaloona7119
Faghuliboo hunalika wainqalaboosaghireena7120
Waolqiya alssaharatu sajideena7121
Qaloo amanna birabbialAAalameena7122
Rabbi moosa waharoona209
Wahal ataka hadeethu moosa2010
Ith raa naran faqalali-ahlihi omkuthoo innee anastu naran laAAallee ateekumminha biqabasin aw ajidu AAala alnnarihudan2011
Falamma ataha noodiya yamoosa2012
Innee ana rabbuka faikhlaAAnaAAlayka innaka bialwadi almuqaddasi tuwan2013
Waana ikhtartuka faistamiAAlima yooha2014
Innanee ana Allahu lailaha illa ana faoAAbudnee waaqimi alssalatalithikree2015
Inna alssaAAata atiyatunakadu okhfeeha litujza kullu nafsin bimatasAAa2016
Fala yasuddannaka AAanhaman la yu/minu biha waittabaAAa hawahufatarda2017
Wama tilka biyameenika ya moosa2018
Qala hiya AAasaya atawakkaoAAalayha waahushshu biha AAala ghanameewaliya feeha maaribu okhra2019
Qala alqiha ya moosa2020
Faalqaha fa-itha hiya hayyatuntasAAaHere is something i noticed, Hayyatun (ة come from the root word Ha-Ya-Ya ( ي and from what i seen in PRL (Project Root-List) it does not mentioned the meaning snake or serpent
Ha-Ya-Ya = (a doubly imperfect verb) To live, be alive, be ashamed, spend (the night) awake, fertilize the earth, keep anyone alive; spare any one, let anyone alive, remove prudency, modesty and shamefulness, make immodest, To be in good condition, have the means of subsistence, to be apparent or distinct, have prolonged or preserved life, free from evil or harm, have dominion, be honored, receive benefit, to salute, to enliven/revive/give life to, to nourish, vivify/re-vivify/revive/resuscitate, endue/quicken with life, (said of land) to be tilled and made productive, to remain awake, to shrink from a thing, to forbear, to feel or have a sense of or be moved or affected with shame/shyness/bashfulness, be ashamed/shy of doing a thing, disdain or scorn a thing, abstain from a thing/refuse to do it. (http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm)
2021
Qala khuthha walatakhaf sanuAAeeduha seerataha al-oola2022
Waodmum yadaka ila janahikatakhruj baydaa min ghayri soo-in ayatan okhra2023
Linuriyaka min ayatinaalkubra2024
Ithhab ila firAAawna innahu tagha2025
Qala rabbi ishrah lee sadree2026
Wayassir lee amree2027
Waohlul AAuqdatan min lisanee2028
Yafqahoo qawlee2029
WaijAAal lee wazeeran min ahlee2030
Haroona akhee2031
Oshdud bihi azree2032
Waashrik-hu fee amree2033
Kay nusabbihaka katheeran2034
Wanathkuraka katheeran2035
Innaka kunta bina baseeran2036
Qala qad ooteeta su/laka yamoosa2037
Walaqad mananna AAalayka marratanokhra2038
Ith awhayna ilaommika ma yooha2039
Ani iqthifeehi fee alttabootifaiqthifeehi fee alyammi falyulqihi alyammu bialssahiliya/khuthhu AAaduwwun lee waAAaduwwun lahu waalqaytuAAalayka mahabbatan minnee walitusnaAAa AAalaAAaynee2040
Ith tamshee okhtuka fataqoolu haladullukum AAala man yakfuluhu farajaAAnaka ilaommika kay taqarra AAaynuha wala tahzanawaqatalta nafsan fanajjaynaka mina alghammi wafatannakafutoonan falabithta sineena fee ahli madyana thumma ji/ta AAalaqadarin ya moosa2041
WaistanaAAtuka linafsee2042
Ithhab anta waakhooka bi-ayateewala taniya fee thikree2043
Ithhaba ila firAAawnainnahu tagha2044
Faqoola lahu qawlan layyinanlaAAallahu yatathakkaru aw yakhsha2045
Qala rabbana innananakhafu an yafruta AAalayna aw an yatgha2046
Qala la takhafainnanee maAAakuma asmaAAu waara2047
Fa/tiyahu faqoola innarasoola rabbika faarsil maAAana banee isra-eelawala tuAAaththibhum qad ji/naka bi-ayatinmin rabbika waalssalamu AAala mani ittabaAAaalhuda2048
Inna qad oohiya ilaynaanna alAAathaba AAala man kaththaba watawalla2049
Qala faman rabbukuma yamoosa2050
Qala rabbuna allatheeaAAta kulla shay-in khalqahu thumma hada2051
Qala fama balualqurooni al-oola2052
Qala AAilmuha AAinda rabbeefee kitabin la yadillu rabbee walayansa2610
Wa-ith nada rabbukamoosa ani i/ti alqawma alththalimeena2611
Qawma firAAawna ala yattaqoona2612
Qala rabbi innee akhafu anyukaththibooni2613
Wayadeequ sadree walayantaliqu lisanee faarsil ila haroona2614
Walahum AAalayya thanbun faakhafuan yaqtulooni2615
Qala kalla faithhababi-ayatina inna maAAakum mustamiAAoona2616
Fa/tiya firAAawna faqoola innarasoolu rabbi alAAalameena2617
An arsil maAAana banee isra-eela2618
Qala alam nurabbika feenawaleedan walabithta feena min AAumurika sineena2619
WafaAAalta faAAlataka allatee faAAaltawaanta mina alkafireena2620
Qala faAAaltuha ithanwaana mina alddalleena2621
Fafarartu minkum lamma khiftukumfawahaba lee rabbee hukman wajaAAalanee mina almursaleena2622
Watilka niAAmatun tamunnuha AAalayyaan AAabbadta banee isra-eela2623
Qala firAAawnu wama rabbu alAAalameena2624
Qala rabbu alssamawatiwaal-ardi wama baynahuma in kuntummooqineena2625
Qala liman hawlahu alatastamiAAoona2626
Qala rabbukum warabbu aba-ikumual-awwaleena2627
Qala inna rasoolakumu allatheeorsila ilaykum lamajnoonun2628
Qala rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribiwama baynahuma in kuntum taAAqiloona2629
Qala la-ini ittakhathta ilahanghayree laajAAalannaka mina almasjooneena2630
Qala awa law ji/tuka bishay-in mubeenin2631
Qala fa/ti bihi in kunta mina alssadiqeena2632
Faalqa AAasahu fa-ithahiya thuAAbanun mubeenun2633
WanazaAAa yadahu fa-itha hiya baydaolilnnathireena2634
Qala lilmala-i hawlahu inna hathalasahirun AAaleemun2635
Yureedu an yukhrijakum min ardikumbisihrihi famatha ta/muroona2636
Qaloo arjih waakhahu waibAAathfee almada-ini hashireena2637
Ya/tooka bikulli sahharin AAaleemin2638
FajumiAAa alssaharatu limeeqatiyawmin maAAloomin2639
Waqeela lilnnasi hal antummujtamiAAoona2640
LaAAallana nattabiAAu alssaharatain kanoo humu alghalibeena2641
Falamma jaa alssaharatuqaloo lifirAAawna a-inna lana laajran in kunnanahnu alghalibeena2642
Qala naAAam wa-innakum ithanlamina almuqarrabeena2643
Qala lahum moosa alqoo maantum mulqoona2644
Faalqaw hibalahum waAAisiyyahumwaqaloo biAAizzati firAAawna inna lanahnualghaliboona2645
Faalqa moosa AAasahufa-itha hiya talqafu ma ya/fikoona2646
Faolqiya alssaharatu sajideena2647
Qaloo amanna birabbialAAalameena2648
Rabbi moosa waharoona2645
Faalqa moosa AAasahufa-itha hiya talqafu ma ya/fikoonaNow here is something interesting, talqafu (ف in in it's root word (Lam-Qaf-Fa - ف means To catch up hurriedly, seize, swallow up quickly, destroy, undo, eat up, catch and retain, collapse, fall upon the enemy, crumble down and Ya/Fikoona in it's root word (Alif-Fa-Kaf - ك means
change its manner/state, turn it away/back, change/pervert opinion/judgement, deceive, lie/falsehood/untruth, overturn, seduce.
And look at that the derivatives!
Ya'fikuuna (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu.) They feign, make a false show.
Ta'fiku (imp. 2nd. p. m. plu.) Thou turn away, seduce.
Tu'fikuuna (pip. 2nd. p. plu.) You are turned away.
Ufika (pp. 3rd. p. m. sing.) He was turned away, was deluded away.
Yu'faku (pip. 3rd. p. m. sing.) He is turned away.
Yu'fakuuna (pip. 3rd. p. m. plu.) They are turned away.
Ifkun (n.) Lie; Slander.
Affaak (n) Big slanderer.
Mu'tafikatu (ap-der. f. sing. VIII) Subverted; Overturned; Pulled down (city).
Mu'taftUt (ap-der. f. plu. VIII) Subverted.What are the arabic words? So i can show everyone the root word meanings.
Edit* I found one of them which i think it's seerataha (ا
Siin-Ya-Ra ( ر = to go, travel, be current, move, journey. sairun - the act of giving, journey. siratun - state/condition, make/form. sayyaratun - company of travellers, caravan.
sara vb. (1)
perf. act. 2829
impf. act. 12109, 2246, 309, 3544, 4021, 4082, 4710, 5210
impv. 3137, 611, 1636, 2769, 2920, 3042, 3418
n.vb. 3418, 5210sayyarah n.f. 596, 1210, 1219
sirah n.f. 2021
sayyara vb. (2) impf. act. 1022, 1847
perf. pass. 1331, 7820, 813LL, V4, p 207, 208 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=syr
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For another approach, you may wish to have a look at this post
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He said ?So who is the lord of you both O Moses??
He said ?Our Lord is the One who gave everything its creation, then guided.?
He said ?What then has happened to the previous generations??
He said ?It?s knowledge is with my Lord, in a record. My Lord does not err or forget.?
The One who made for you the Earth habitable and He made ways for you in it, and He brought down water from the sky, so We brought out with it pairs of vegetation of all types.
Eat and raise your livestock, in that are signs for those of thought.
From it We created you and in it We return you, and from it We bring you out another time.
And We showed him Our signs, all of them, but he denied and refused.
He said ?Have you come to us to take us out of our land with your magic O Moses??Then after them We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his leaders. But they did wrong in them, so see how is the end of the corrupters.
And Moses said ?O Pharaoh, I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds.?
?It is not proper for me to say about God except the truth; I have come to you with proof from your Lord. So send with me the Children of Israel.?
He said ?If you have come with a sign then bring it, if you are of the truthful??
He threw down his staff and it manifested into a serpent.
And he drew out his hand, and it became pure white for the onlookers.
The commanders from among the people of Pharaoh said ?This is a knowledgeable magician!?
?He wishes to drive you out of your land; what is your command??In the first account (), Moses explains to Pharaoh all the signs of the universes. He shows the signs of God exactly in the same way as in the Quran.
And, in the second account (), Moses turns his staff into a serpent, and show his hand white.My understanding is that the second account is a metaphor of the first one. It means that the discourse of Moses was so convincing that it was as if he has turned a staff into a serpent.
If you want to check the dictionary, you will see that a white hand (yad baida) can mean an argument very clear, a demonstrating, a demonstrated argument, an allegation, or an evidence.
Good explanation, sound.
Miracle is just another word for saying "I do not know how it happenned, or how it was done".
As soon as we know how something was done we stop believing it is a miracle.
The fact is tht we think we know how many things are done, but the fact is that ONLY GOD knows how He does thing, and He is the one who does absolutely everything. And that there is nothing that is not a miracle. To believe in miracles means that the person who believes that does not believe that everyhting is a miracle, because neither we can replicate it nor can we explain it completely, although many times we may think we do know, but we just know something, a little bit.
I disagree with the people who believe in miracles because they really are not appreciating God's creation, if they did they would realise that there is nothing that is not a miracle.
Salaam
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Peace Sardar,
I am not sure if you got the answer what you were looking for. The meaning of the word which you are looking for simply means condition or state but not physical as for physical condition Quran used a different word. I hope it helps.
Salam,
NKWhich arabic words in the verses? So i can find the root words in PRL. Sorry if i forgot, my memory is not the best sometimes.
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Peace IsaMuslim,
You have asked following questions in your post
<<<If Moses did prepare the staff himself with magic, why was he scared when he threw it the first time?
Why does Allah ask Moses to use the staff when crossing the sea? Can mercury produce such a thing?
How did the golden calf use to emit sounds/cries? The Sumerian tells Aaron and Moses that "he noticed something that the others did not", so he grab soil from where Moses walked, and cast it into the calf. Most likeley, he saw the staff of Moses producing some kind of special effect.>>>I will answer only those questions which are related to this topic. Other questions require lengthy answers.
First question Moses did not prepare the staff. That is the point. He was herding the sheep in Maiden for 8 years and serpent was not an unusual experience for him. Like i said in my answer (if you get the chance to read it). Moses was brought up in Pharaoh's house. In their circle they knew the trick how to magically turn sticks into serpents. I have strong believe that this staff was given to him by his step-father who died later on. Like others, he was also an honourable member of their family. It was an unusual experience for Moses when he saw his staff moving like a serpent. Moses didn't know that the staff which he was carrying for herding the sheep had the potential to move like serpent when liquid mercury become hot but God knew. His reaction was very natural.
Second question In Arabic staff also means congregation, people or nation. Staff has nothing to do with the sea. Sea recedes during high and low tides which is a natural phenomena. It is very common these days. For your reference please watch the video below.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfeCa3lwvQE
I hope it helps.
Salam,
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In Arabic staff also means congregation, people or nation. Staff has nothing to do with the sea. Sea recedes during high and low tides which is a natural phenomena. It is very common these days. For your reference please watch the video below.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfeCa3lwvQE
I hope it helps.
Salam,
NKIs this arabic word you are referring to?
Ayn-Sad-Waw = to strike with a stick. asiya/ya'sa - to take a stick, come together, collection, accumulation, amazing, gathering, assemblage, congregation. asa - staff, stick, rod, supports, nation, mastery, people, party, tongue, skin, bone. idrib bi asaka al hajer - strike with your staff on the rock, go forth with your people.
asa n.f. (pl. isiy) 260, 7107, 7117, 7160, 2018, 2066, 2632, 2644, 2645, 2663, 2710, 2831
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 5, pages 353, 354 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=eSw
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Peace Sardar,
Yes, you are right about the root word of Staff.
For the root word of "SIRAT", On the PRL i have found this
Siin-Ya-Ra = to go, travel, be current, move, journey. sairun - the act of giving, journey. siratun - state/condition, make/form. sayyaratun - company of travellers, caravan.
sara vb. (1)
perf. act. 2829
impf. act. 12109, 2246, 309, 3544, 4021, 4082, 4710, 5210
impv. 3137, 611, 1636, 2769, 2920, 3042, 3418
n.vb. 3418, 5210sayyarah n.f. 596, 1210, 1219
sirah n.f. 2021
sayyara vb. (2) impf. act. 1022, 1847
perf. pass. 1331, 7820, 813LL, V4, p 207, 208 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=syr
I hope this time i be able to explain it clearly. I have made the meaning in BOLD for your convenience.
Salam,
NK
