Hafs or Warsh

good_logic

Peace Imran.
I have seen this, quote
i asked where is the evidence that God decided to write in such a way to hinting towards numbering ? did he personally told you or just ur wishfulthinking ?

"...Ahsa Kulla Chaiin Addadan".. i.e GOD counted the numbers ..
I repeat
Brother Imran, I think the above should be enough,but let me elaborate more on 2187

Why do I think this verse is indicating to us how to spell the letter N in 681?
There are 14 different initial letters used in Qoran, this verse is screaming N the initial (The only one in 681) also is spelt like the N in this verse. Count how many N s in it?
Yes brother GOD has put exactly 14 N s in that verse as indication. Or it is coincidence to you?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

ibn_a

Salaam,

peace, see oldest manuscripts l-amthla/the examples (no extra alif) same word

1317 l-amthla/the examples
1425 l-amthla/the examples
1445 l-amthla/the examples
1674 l-amthla/the examples
1748 l-amthla/the examples
259 l-amthla/the examples
2435 l-amthla/the examples
2539 l-amthla/the examples
2943 l-amthlu/the examples
5921 l-amthlu/the examples

these are different (no extra alif)

3182 biul'min/in wrong/injustice
4153 biul'mihim/in wrong/injustice theirs
4160 fabiul'min/so in wrong/injustice
682 biul'min/in wrong/injustice
6131 biul'min/in wrong/injustice
11117 biul'min/in wrong/injustice
1661 biul'mihim/in wrong/injustice theirs
2225 biul'min/in wrong/injustice

(with extra alif)
851 such in what have set forth hands yours and that the god not is biallmin/in darkness to the devotees?
2210 such in what have set forth hands your and that the god not is biallmin/in darkness to the devotees?
4146 who work righteous of so for soul his/himself and who does evil so against it and not lord your biallmin/in darkness to the devotees?
5029 not changed the speech with me and not I am biallmin/in darkness to the devotees?

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/3/vers/182/handschrift/163

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/8/vers/51/handschrift/163

What is your theory, understanding on these differences?

imrankhawaja

Why do I think this verse is indicating to us how to spell the letter N in 681?
There are 14 different initial letters used in Qoran, this verse is screaming N the initial (The only one in 681) also is spelt like the N in this verse. Count how many N s in it?
Yes brother GOD has put exactly 14 N s in that verse as indication.

so your thinking has nothing to do with God decision isnt it ? the answer you gave is just your thinking not the reality.

BOLD so what ?

good_logic

Peace Imran.
Like I said to you. Accountability dictates that each of us check for themselves.
If you are happy with your lot(Your old manuscripts) ,it is your choice.
I am happy with mine(after checking for myself the mathematical structure).

As for the message, it is crystal clear in both our mushafs . So I wish you the best of works/morals brother.
This is the most important thing in Qoran.(Inna Akramakum inda Allah Atkaakum)
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Noon_waalqalami

Peace, last post need to take a break...

2187

Why do I think this verse is indicating to us how to spell the letter N in 681?
There are 14 different initial letters used in Qoran, this verse is screaming N the initial

681 noon wal-qalami/and the pen and what yasurna/they write being (i.e. writing)

Furthermore, does not spell N (noon) rather parse the word ?

2187 l-nuni/the noon being

the
N (noon)
being (i.e. so-called)

Likewise, see example ?

4917 yamunnna/favored being ... yamunnu/favored

What is your theory, understanding on these differences?

Oldest manuscripts are consistent while those ~200 years afterward contain inconsistencies.

482 do so not they reflecting the qur?an/recitation and in case be from near/with other than the god surely found they of in it ikhtilafan/divergences of (single occurrence) kathiran/much of (3+)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/50/vers/29?handschrift=163

https//i.postimg.cc/nL6Rn8s7/ch50v14-34.jpg

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/50/vers/29?handschrift=32

https//i.postimg.cc/0j9CN996/ch50v26-43.jpg

good_logic

Peace Noon.
Common brother, the "being" word is made up here i
2187 l-nuni/the noon being

the
N (noon)
being (i.e. so-called)

So-called what? There is no word "being" in the verse. The word in the verse just means the letter N .
There is no relation to 4917 yamunnna/favored being ... yamunnu/favoured.

Enjoy your break brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

ibn_a

Salaam,

Peace, last post need to take a break...

Oldest manuscripts are consistent while those ~200 years afterward contain inconsistencies.

482 do so not they reflecting the qur?an/recitation and in case be from near/with other than the god surely found they of in it ikhtilafan/divergences of (single occurrence) kathiran/much of (3+)

When you have time, please share what you consider as consistent "oldest manuscripts" that you are referring to.

Noon_waalqalami

When you have time, please share what you consider as consistent "oldest manuscripts" that you are referring to.

Peace gave numerous examples including ten consistently spelled not half spelled (same word).

1317 the examples
1425 the examples
1445 the examples
1674 the examples
1748 the examples
259 the examples
2435 the examples
2539 the examples
2943 the examples
5921 the examples

1317 l-amthla/the examples
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/13/vers/17?handschrift=13
https//i.postimg.cc/j2r4kf5J/ch13v12-v23.jpg

1674 l-amthla/the examples
UNESCO ?Memory of the World? Program ?San?a Manuscripts CD First AH 1673-89
https//i.postimg.cc/SQCBN0Bm/ch16v73-89.jpg

1748 l-amthla/the examples
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/17/vers/49?handschrift=107
https//i.postimg.cc/YqZJ2nh6/ch17v46-56.jpg

ibn_a

Salaam,

peace gl, your infatuation with nineteen is making you lose sense of basic logic.
it's not about original (same word/phrases need to be consistent) see examples.

NOT consistent extra alif 130140500130 in current manuscript/s and should be...

1317 ... yaribu/striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
1425 ... wayaribu/and striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
1445 ... waarabn/and strike we of for you l-amthla/the examples
1674 so not tarib/thou strike ye of to god l-amthla/the examples
1748 observe how arab/strike they of to you l-amthla/the examples so astray they of so not capable being path of

These verses consistent in current manuscript/s (no extra alif) as in oldest manuscripts...

259 observe how arab/strike they of to you l-amthla/the examples so astray they of so not capable being path of
2435 ... wayaribu/and striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
2539 ... arabn/strike we of to him l-amthla/the examples
2943 and those l-amthlu/the examples naribuh/we strike them to the humankind and not understand them except the knowing
5921 ... and those l-amthlu/the examples naribuh/we strike them to the humankind perhaps they reflecting

Some examples of differences in the spelling of words from what you call " consistent oldest manuscripts".

Example

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/218/handschrift/163
line 9 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/56/handschrift/163
line 3 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/11/vers/73/handschrift/163
line 3 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/30/vers/50?handschrift=107
line 9 - Mercy / Grace of God

-- Compare to

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/3/vers/107?handschrift=163
line 21 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/39/vers/53?handschrift=163
line 23-24 - Mercy / Grace of God

Example

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/8/vers/38?handschrift=163
line 20-21 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/35/vers/43?handschrift=163
line 19-20 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/40/vers/85?handschrift=163
line 19-20 ( the) Way (of) Allah

-- Compare to

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/15/vers/13?handschrift=163
line 9 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/18/vers/55?handschrift=163
line 3 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/33/vers/38?handschrift=107
last line ( the) Way (of) Allah

I think that the particular spelling of some words in the Quran we have today is not inconsistent, it is for a purpose and in time the purpose will be revealed by God.

Like the example of the word Ibraheem , spelled without Ya in chapter 2 and spelled with Ya in the rest of the Quran.

There is no logique in saying that the scribes changed the spelling of the word Ibraheem only in chapter 2 and not in the rest of the Quran, they must have had a source for these particular spellings.

Cautious when saying "inconsistent" about the current manuscript especially when in condradiction with Quran veses referring to the the preservation of the Quran by God.

Noon_waalqalami

Some examples of differences in the spelling of words from what you call " consistent oldest manuscripts".

Example

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/218/handschrift/163
line 9 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/56/handschrift/163
line 3 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/11/vers/73/handschrift/163
line 3 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/30/vers/50?handschrift=107
line 9 - Mercy / Grace of God

-- Compare to

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/3/vers/107?handschrift=163
line 21 - Mercy / Grace of God

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/39/vers/53?handschrift=163
line 23-24 - Mercy / Grace of God

peace, same in ?new? manuscripts slight distinction verb & verbal noun from root raima/mercy

3938 ? biramatin/in mercy its shall they with-holders ramatihi/mercy his ?

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/39/vers/38/handschrift/163

https//i.postimg.cc/ZKkw3BwB/ch39v33-44.jpg

Example

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/8/vers/38?handschrift=163
line 20-21 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/35/vers/43?handschrift=163
line 19-20 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/40/vers/85?handschrift=163
line 19-20 ( the) Way (of) Allah

-- Compare to

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/15/vers/13?handschrift=163
line 9 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/18/vers/55?handschrift=163
line 3 - Way (of) the former (people)

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/33/vers/38?handschrift=107
last line ( the) Way (of) Allah

again same in ?new? manuscripts slight nuance/distinction ?

1777 sunnata/manner from hence sent we of before you from messengers ours and not thou find lisunnatina/to manner its ours turning

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/17/vers/77/handschrift/163

https//i.postimg.cc/Dzqvvbpr/ch17v67-79.jpg

Like the example of the word Ibraheem , spelled without Ya in chapter 2 and spelled with Ya in the rest of the Quran.

likewise it was already shown to you numerous times that the oldest manuscripts "consistently" spelled abraham (same word/person) in all chapters and chapter 2 "inconsistency" appears ~200+ years afterwards and likewise the new verse arrangement separating 18 of ?29? initialed chapters into separate verses, etc.

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/124?handschrift=163

https//i.postimg.cc/XYL4G0ch/ch2v121-132.jpg

21 alif lam meem such the book not doubt in it guidance for the righteous
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/1?handschrift=116
31 alif lam meem the god not deity except he the alive the sustainer
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/3/vers/1/handschrift/116
71 alif lam meem saad book descends to you so not beeth in breast your critical from it to thou warn with it and reminder to the believers
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/1/handschrift/163
101 alif lam ra those signs the book the wise
111 alif lam ra book are perfected signs/verses its furthermore explained from one who wise aware
121 alif lam ra those signs the book the clear
131 alif lam meem ra those signs the book and the which descends to you from lord your the truth and however more the humankind not believing
141 alif lam ra book descends we it to you that thou evict the humankind from the darkness to the light by permission lord theirs to path the mighty the praiseworthy
151 alif lam ra those signs the book and qur?an/recitation clear
191 kaaf ha ya ain saad remembrance mercy lord your devotee his zakariyya
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/19/vers/1/handschrift/163
201 ta ha not descends we of upon you the qur?an/recitation that thou agonize
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1/handschrift/163
261 ta seen mim those signs the book the clear
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/26/vers/1/handschrift/163
271 ta seen those signs the qur?an/recitation and book clear
281 ta seen mim those signs the book the clear
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/28/vers/1?handschrift=107
291 alif lam meem do calculate the humankind that left they of that speaketh they of believe we of and they not tested being
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/29/vers/1/handschrift/107
301 alif lam meem ghalabat/triumph the romans
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/30/vers/1/handschrift/107
311 alif lam meem those signs the book the wise
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/31/vers/1/handschrift/107
321 alif lam meem revelation the book not doubt in it from lord the world?s inhabitants
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/32/vers/1/handschrift/107
361 ya seen and the qur?an/recitation the wise
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/36/vers/1/handschrift/107
381 saad and the qur?an/recitation owner the reminder
401 ha meem revelation the book from the god the mighty the knower
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/40/vers/1?handschrift=163
411 ha meem revelation from the almighty the merciful
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/41/vers/1/handschrift/163
421 ha meem ayn seen qaf like such inspired to you and toward the ones from before you the god the mighty the wise
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1/handschrift/163
431 ha meem and the book the clear
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/43/vers/1?handschrift=163
441 ha meem and the book the clear
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/44/vers/1/handschrift/163
451 ha meem revelation the book from the god the mighty the wise
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/45/vers/1/handschrift/163
461 ha meem revelation the book from the god the mighty the wise
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/46/vers/1/handschrift/163
501 qaf and the qur?an/recitation the glorious
681 noon wal-qalami/and the pen and what they write being

ibn_a

Salaam,

it's not about original (same word/phrases need to be consistent) see examples.

Oldest manuscripts are consistent while those ~200 years afterward contain inconsistencies.

I gave you some examples of differences in spelling of words from what you consider" consistent oldest manuscripts"
The particular spelling in current manuscript and in some older manuscripts is for a purpose and is not the result of inconsistency,
otherwise this would condradict with Quran verses referring to the the preservation of the Quran by God.

likewise it was already shown to you numerous times that the oldest manuscripts "consistently" spelled abraham (same word/person) in all chapters and chapter 2 "inconsistency" appears ~200+ years afterwards and likewise the new verse arrangement separating 18 of 29 initialed chapters into separate verses, etc.

There is no logique in changing the spelling only in chapter 2 for the word Ibraheem,
and changing the arrangement of the initialed chapters only in 19 chapters and not in the rest of the 29 initialed chapters,
they must have had a source for these particular spellings and arrangement of verses.

Allah knows best.

ibn_a

Salaam,

Oldest manuscripts are consistent while those ~200 years afterward contain inconsistencies.

Another example of what you consider " inconsistent" from what you consider "consistent oldest manuscripts"

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/11/vers/27?handschrift=163

Manuscript line 7

Faqala almalao allatheena kafaroo min qawmihi ma naraka illa basharan mithlana wama naraka ittabaAAaka illa allatheena hum arathiluna badiya alrra/yi wama nara lakum AAalayna min fadlin bal nathunnukum kathibeena

So said the chiefs (of) those who disbelieved from his people, "Not we see you but a man like us, and not we see you followed except those who (are) the lowest of us immature in opinion. And not we see in you over us any merit; nay, we think you (are) liars."

compare to

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/23/vers/24?handschrift=163

Manuscript line 2 with an extra Waw between the letter Laam and the letter Alif

Faqala almalao allatheena kafaroo min qawmihi ma hatha illa basharun mithlukum yureedu an yatafaddala AAalaykum walaw shaa Allahu laanzala mala-ikatan ma samiAAna bihatha fee aba-ina al-awwaleena

But said the chiefs (of) those who disbelieved among his people, "This is not but a man like you, he wishes to assert (his) superiority over you, and if Allah had willed surely He (would have) sent down Angels. Not we heard of this from our forefathers.

I believe that the current manuscript with the particular spelling of some words is the same as the original manuscript.
And that in some other manuscripts some of this particular spelling was lost by some scribes thinking that the same words should be spelled the same way,
not aware that this particular spelling was intended for a purpose.
Like the example of the word Ibraheem , spelled without Ya in chapter 2 and spelled with Ya in the rest of the Quran.

Allah knows best.

Noon_waalqalami

I gave you some examples of differences in spelling of words from what you consider" consistent oldest manuscripts"

peace, again you gave examples same root slight nuance of words spelled consistently the same in the oldest and newest manuscripts ? and again, see usage each word slightly distinct in the same verse.

1777 sunnata/mannerism ... lisunnatina/to manner it ours
3938 biramatin/in mercy its ... ramatihi/mercy it his

Furthermore these are consistent and spelled exactly the same each occurrence.

the examples
abraham (again spelled consistently with ch 2 in oldest manuscripts)

Likewise clear looking at oldest manuscripts preserved in German, French, and British Library?s etc., that verse # s are ?man-made? i.e. no consistency and probably used by scribes back then as check-sum arrangement/s.

The British Library?s oldest Qur?an manuscript now online
http//britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/asian-and-african/2016/04/the-british-librarys-oldest-quran-manuscript-now-online.html

http//www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=or_2165_fs001r

https//i.postimg.cc/8cVXRQc2/ch35v40-ch36v4.jpg

Noon_waalqalami

Another example of what you consider " inconsistent" from what you consider "consistent oldest manuscripts"

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/11/vers/27?handschrift=163

Manuscript line 7

Faqala almalao allatheena kafaroo min qawmihi ma naraka illa basharan mithlana wama naraka ittabaAAaka illa allatheena hum arathiluna badiya alrra/yi wama nara lakum AAalayna min fadlin bal nathunnukum kathibeena

compare to

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/23/vers/24?handschrift=163

Manuscript line 2 with an extra Waw between the letter Laam and the letter Alif

Faqala almalao allatheena kafaroo min qawmihi ma hatha illa basharun mithlukum yureedu an yatafaddala AAalaykum walaw shaa Allahu laanzala mala-ikatan ma samiAAna bihatha fee aba-ina al-awwaleena

Allah knows best.

likewise perhaps study/read carefully less counting stuff you'll see it is correct.
qur'an to write "they" trailing alif dropped insert (done for numerous words).

https//free-minds.org/quran/A/23#24

https//quran.com/23/24?translations=20

1127 so said the council of the ones reject they of from folk his
2324 so said the council they of the ones reject they of
2333 and said the council of from folk his the ones reject they of

https//i.postimg.cc/XNcpySrb/ch23v23-35.jpg

peace!

ibn_a

Salaam,

likewise perhaps study/read carefully less counting stuff you'll see it is correct.
qur'an to write "they" trailing alif dropped insert (done for numerous words).

https//free-minds.org/quran/A/23#24

https//quran.com/23/24?translations=20

1127 so said the council of the ones reject they of from folk his
2324 so said the council they of the ones reject they of
2333 and said the council of from folk his the ones reject they of

For me the current manuscript is correct, preserved by God, and the particular spelling is intended for a purpose

I think that the particular spelling of some words in the Quran we have today is not inconsistent, it is for a purpose and in time the purpose will be revealed by God.

Like the example of the word Ibraheem , spelled without Ya in chapter 2 and spelled with Ya in the rest of the Quran.

There is no logique in saying that the scribes changed the spelling of the word Ibraheem only in chapter 2 and not in the rest of the Quran, they must have had a source for these particular spellings.

Cautious when saying "inconsistent" about the current manuscript especially when in condradiction with Quran veses referring to the the preservation of the Quran by God.

It was your claim about inconsistencies

it's not about original (same word/phrases need to be consistent) see examples.

Why do you consider this with an extra alif NOT consistent

it's not about original (same word/phrases need to be consistent) see examples.

NOT consistent extra alif 130140500130 in current manuscript/s and should be...

1317 ... yaribu/striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
1425 ... wayaribu/and striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
1445 ... waarabn/and strike we of for you l-amthla/the examples
1674 so not tarib/thou strike ye of to god l-amthla/the examples
1748 observe how arab/strike they of to you l-amthla/the examples so astray they of so not capable being path of

These verses consistent in current manuscript/s (no extra alif) as in oldest manuscripts...

259 observe how arab/strike they of to you l-amthla/the examples so astray they of so not capable being path of
2435 ... wayaribu/and striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
2539 ... arabn/strike we of to him l-amthla/the examples
2943 and those l-amthlu/the examples naribuh/we strike them to the humankind and not understand them except the knowing
5921 ... and those l-amthlu/the examples naribuh/we strike them to the humankind perhaps they reflecting

and consider this with an extra Waw consistent

Salaam,

Another example of what you consider " inconsistent" from what you consider "consistent oldest manuscripts"

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/11/vers/27?handschrift=163

Manuscript line 7

Faqala almalao allatheena kafaroo min qawmihi ma naraka illa basharan mithlana wama naraka ittabaAAaka illa allatheena hum arathiluna badiya alrra/yi wama nara lakum AAalayna min fadlin bal nathunnukum kathibeena

So said the chiefs (of) those who disbelieved from his people, "Not we see you but a man like us, and not we see you followed except those who (are) the lowest of us immature in opinion. And not we see in you over us any merit; nay, we think you (are) liars."

compare to

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/23/vers/24?handschrift=163

Manuscript line 2 with an extra Waw between the letter Laam and the letter Alif

Faqala almalao allatheena kafaroo min qawmihi ma hatha illa basharun mithlukum yureedu an yatafaddala AAalaykum walaw shaa Allahu laanzala mala-ikatan ma samiAAna bihatha fee aba-ina al-awwaleena

But said the chiefs (of) those who disbelieved among his people, "This is not but a man like you, he wishes to assert (his) superiority over you, and if Allah had willed surely He (would have) sent down Angels. Not we heard of this from our forefathers.

I believe that the current manuscript with the particular spelling of some words is the same as the original manuscript.
And that in some other manuscripts some of this particular spelling was lost by some scribes thinking that the same words should be spelled the same way,
not aware that this particular spelling was intended for a purpose.
Like the example of the word Ibraheem , spelled without Ya in chapter 2 and spelled with Ya in the rest of the Quran.

Allah knows best.

7228

LiyaAAlama an qad ablaghoo risalati rabbihim waahata bima ladayhim waahsa kulla shayin AAadadan

That He may make evident that indeed, they have conveyed (the) Messages (of) their Lord; and He has encompassed what (is) with them and He takes account (of) all things (in) number."

Allah knows best.

Noon_waalqalami

For me the current manuscript is correct, preserved by God, and the particular spelling is intended for a purpose
and consider this with an extra Waw consistent

7228

peace, not sure which quran (or from which numerology site) you are using since current and oldest manuscripts spell it correctly and grammatically etc., already explained and you ignore.

https//free-minds.org/quran/A/23#24

https//quran.com/23/24?translations=20

1127 so said the council of the ones reject they of from folk his
2324 so said the council they of the ones reject they of
2333 and said the council of from folk his the ones reject they of

Those infatuated with number want to use simpleton numerology/mindless counting to change the text and ignore and/or override the preserved record from close to the time of revelation? another example.

https//i.postimg.cc/Kv0Y2VGD/ch23v14-24.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/Qt9kr1Zj/ch72v18-ch73v9.jpg

have nice life!

ibn_a

Salaam,

When you say " current manuscript/s not consistent ".

it's not about original (same word/phrases need to be consistent) see examples.

NOT consistent extra alif 130140500130 in current manuscript/s and should be...

1317 ... yaribu/striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
1425 ... wayaribu/and striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
1445 ... waarabn/and strike we of for you l-amthla/the examples
1674 so not tarib/thou strike ye of to god l-amthla/the examples
1748 observe how arab/strike they of to you l-amthla/the examples so astray they of so not capable being path of

These verses consistent in current manuscript/s (no extra alif) as in oldest manuscripts...

259 observe how arab/strike they of to you l-amthla/the examples so astray they of so not capable being path of
2435 ... wayaribu/and striketh the god l-amthla/the examples
2539 ... arabn/strike we of to him l-amthla/the examples
2943 and those l-amthlu/the examples naribuh/we strike them to the humankind and not understand them except the knowing
5921 ... and those l-amthlu/the examples naribuh/we strike them to the humankind perhaps they reflecting

Peace, not hafs/warsh rather compare oldest manuscripts to new (obvious consistency errors).

3182 such in what have set forth hands yours and that the god not is biallmin/in darkness (with alif) to the devotees?

851 such in what have set forth hands yours and that the god not is biallmin/in darkness (no alif?) to the devotees?

Then you have to come up with a logical explanation for this

159 Indeed, We We have sent down the Reminder, and indeed, We of it (are) surely Guardians.

4141 Indeed, those who disbelieve in the Reminder when it comes to them. And indeed, it (is) surely a Book mighty.
4142 Not comes to it the falsehood from before it and not from behind it. A Revelation from (the) All-Wise, (the) Praiseworthy.

5677 Indeed, it (is) surely, a Quran noble,
5678 In a Book well-guarded

7228 So as to make manifest that they have delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses all that is with them, and He has counted everything in numbers.

8521 Nay! It (is) a Quran Glorious,
8522 In a Tablet, Guarded.

Noon_waalqalami

Then you have to come up with a logical explanation for this

159 Indeed, We We have sent down the Reminder, and indeed, We of it (are) surely Guardians.

4141 Indeed, those who disbelieve in the Reminder when it comes to them. And indeed, it (is) surely a Book mighty.
4142 Not comes to it the falsehood from before it and not from behind it. A Revelation from (the) All-Wise, (the) Praiseworthy.

5677 Indeed, it (is) surely, a Quran noble,
5678 In a Book well-guarded

7228 So as to make manifest that they have delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses all that is with them, and He has counted everything in numbers.

8521 Nay! It (is) a Quran Glorious,
8522 In a Tablet, Guarded.

Peace not about guarding text which anyone can change, edit, delete, etc. at any time or guarding text ?before it? is written (irrational!) rather ?the reminder? does not contain falsehood ?before it? i.e. pertaining to prior events mentioned and neither future events ?behind it? foretold to occur.

Likewise not about infactuation with certain ?number/s? which are counteless.

92 naturally occurring elements
2.98 * (10^4) = 29,800 meters/sec speed of the earth in orbit floating around the sun
2 * (10^5) = 200,000 meters/sec speed solar system in orbit around milky way galaxy

2130-33 do they not see the ones reject they of anna (i.e. ?an inna?/that indeed) the heavens and the land be dual sewn of so ripped we them dual and made we of from the water each thing live then so not believing and made we of in the land firm peaks that shake with them and made we of therein ravine of paths of perhaps they guided being and made we of the heaven/sky roof of safeguard of and they about signs its away turning and he the one creation of the night and the daytime and the sun and the moon each (i.e. all prior mentioned above) in vessel sailing/floating

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ibn_a

Salaam,

Peace not about guarding text which anyone can change, edit, delete, etc. at any time or guarding text ?before it? is written (irrational!) rather ?the reminder? does not contain falsehood ?before it? i.e. pertaining to prior events mentioned and neither future events ?behind it? foretold to occur.

Likewise not about infactuation with certain ?number/s? which are counteless.

Other translations for " bayni yadayhi " before it / openly / presently
Doesn't the red text contradict the blue text ?
If no certainty about the preservation of the text, how to be certain about the events it mentions ? ( change, edit, delete, etc.)

Likewise not about infactuation with certain ?number/s? which are counteless.

92 naturally occurring elements
2.98 * (10^4) = 29,800 meters/sec speed of the earth in orbit floating around the sun
2 * (10^5) = 200,000 meters/sec speed solar system in orbit around milky way galaxy

2130-33 do they not see the ones reject they of anna (i.e. ?an inna?/that indeed) the heavens and the land be dual sewn of so ripped we them dual and made we of from the water each thing live then so not believing and made we of in the land firm peaks that shake with them and made we of therein ravine of paths of perhaps they guided being and made we of the heaven/sky roof of safeguard of and they about signs its away turning and he the one creation of the night and the daytime and the sun and the moon each (i.e. all prior mentioned above) in vessel sailing/floating

It would be more relevant to share your translation of these verses

159 Inna nahnu nazzalna alththikra wa-inna lahu lahafithoona

4141 Inna allatheena kafaroo bialththikri lamma jaahum wa-innahu lakitabun AAazeezun.
4142 La ya teehi albatilu min bayni yadayhi wala min khalfihi tanzeelun min hakeemin hameedin

5677 Innahu laqur-anun kareemun,
5678 Fee kitabin maknoonin.

7228 LiyaAAlama an qad ablaghoo risalati rabbihim waahata bima ladayhim waahsa kulla shayin AAadadan.

8521 Bal huwa qur-anun majeedun,
8522 Fee lawhin mahfoothin.

Allah knows best.