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I don't know if you are serious or joking.
Anyone can be knowledgable. Allah states clearly in the Quran that we - the believers - are to become scholars because we study the Book.
I'm really serious and curious about your attitude of contributing your "knowledge". This is the reason of why I pointed out understanding rather than plain reading here. People around the world may read same words but may understand totally different things.
I can get knowledge in the Quran on my own way as you can do on your own way despite being in opposite thoughts. Then, being in knowledge is not case here. The point is which one is wrong or right.
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
I tell YOU to serve Allah and only Allah if you are truthful. Do not take me as a guide or leader. I never told you or anyone to follow me or serve me. Far be Allah above what you describe! He needs no helper or assistance. He is Self-Sufficient, All Mighty, All Powerful.
If He choses to guide you, He will guide. If He choses to lead you astray, you will have no helper but Him.Where do you get the idea you have to be 'chosen' to understand the Quran?
I never said my knowledge is 'doubtless'. You put words in my mouth that I never stated. Please do not create a strawman argument.
I bring information given to me by Allah because I study His Book and I confirm the Truth. Descriptions are given in the Quran. Did you check them out?
We are called upon to study the Book, then go forth among our people and give reminder and warning.
"It is not for the believers to go forth totally; but why should not a party of every section of them go forth, to become learned in religion, and to warn their people when they return to them, that haply they may beware?" Surah 9122
You are now given information, which you are to confirm on your own. Now is the time when you either check it out or don't. My obligation is to only remind. That's it. What you do now is up to you.
"Nothing of their account falls upon those that are godfearing; but a reminding; haply they will be godfearing." Surah 669
The sin is in not confirming the Truth.
"For he confirmed it not, and did not pray," Surah 7531
"Fala saddaqa wala salla" Surah 7531If you can, bring proof to refute what is shown. When I am given clear proof, I change to suit Allah's will, not my own. Why wouldn't I? I submit my will to Him and only Him.
Why would I need anyone but Allah to explain when He is the One who created human beings?
Why don't you discuss what is brought forth? Instead of seeking to invalidate the person bringing the information, open the Quran and check what I've stated; is it true or not? Check the Arabic revelation, translations. Do the historic accounts match the Quran? The Quran is a verification of what came before. Allah does not forget nor does He err. Surah 482, 2052
Why are you adverse to reading this information and checking it out for yourself?
Believe or believe not. I'm not responsible for you and I won't be asked what you did.
But I can show proof from the Quran why I believe what I believe.Can you?
If you cannot, what are you going to do to remedy it?"Will you bid others to piety, and forget yourselves while you recite the Book? Do you not understand?" Surah 244
May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.
Peace.
You said "Ask Allah to explain it."
And I asked "Then, you should mean all bunch of words of you written here are what Allah explained to you after you asked for it?"
You answered "Allah increases those He chooses in knowledge."
So, whats wrong to arguing someone as donated with doubtless truth if he/she getting knowledge by God? The information given by God could be doubtful?
It is totally nonsense if someone tells "Ask Allah to explain it." while can't behold his/her knowledge as doubtless. We are talking here about a knowledge directly coming from God, not strawmans constructed with traditions.
Peace.
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I once asked what is the best way to make a lasagne on a food forum and I got 5 different recipes, totally drove me away from cooking.
That implies that anything goes. No one can be wrong? I know I am heavily biased based on my predetermined notions of salat being the traditional sunni practice, but mmkhan is right. I shouldn't be seeking forums for guidance on what I don't understand, but instead seeking guidance from AQ and from Allah.
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I'm really serious and curious about your attitude of contributing your "knowledge". This is the reason of why I pointed out understanding rather than plain reading here. People around the world may read same words but may understand totally different things.
Then it is up to you and you alone to turn to Allah and ask Him to guide you.
Why aren't you investigating what was brought forth, confirming it or refuting it. In three (3) responses you haven't brought anything up concerning the information given. Instead you focus on me.Why are you arguing over the person instead of the information given?
Forget my 'attitude'. Kill your ego. Ask yourself why you are getting upset with my responses. Turn to the Quran and see whose description you match based on your reaction.
Allah says He will guide. Do you believe it or don't you? If you want to know something, what is preventing you from asking Allah to explain it? confused
"Then if they do not answer thee, know that they are only following their caprices; and who is further astray than he who follows his caprice without guidance from Allah? Surely Allah guides not the people of the evildoers." Surah 2850
In three (3) replies, you haven't brought up anything to refute what is given; you cannot answer me. Instead you focus on me, attempting to... I have no idea what. Misdirect with strawman rhetoric? Is that all you have in your repertoire?
I'm not mixing iniquity with the Truth. I bring proof from the Quran. Refute it. If you can't, then that should tell you something.
You seek credentials or something, when Allah has empowered all human beings to be scholars and (wo)men of understanding if they only study the Quran and ask for His Guidance. Surah 379Instead you are arguing over something your ego cannot abide by. Ask yourself why that is.
I can get knowledge in the Quran on my own way as you can do on your own way despite being in opposite thoughts. Then, being in knowledge is not case here. The point is which one is wrong or right.
Who has brought proof from the Quran to support what they believe?
Who hasn't brought anything?Learning is a gradual process and Allah increases in knowledge in steps. If I have erred, then please show me where I have spoken falsehood or made a mistake.
Our 'iman' is our confirmed faith. We do not believe in anything on blind faith, as Christians and Islamists do. We are tasked to use our head and our eyes and our ears and our hearts. To ponder, think, investigate. Then speak to other believers and discuss what we have found.When we rely on Allah, He will guide us and bless us through avenues we do not even know about.
And when it is the Truth from Allah it cannot be refuted. The final argument is Allah's.He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
You said "Ask Allah to explain it."
And I asked "Then, you should mean all bunch of words of you written here are what Allah explained to you after you asked for it?"
You answered "Allah increases those He chooses in knowledge."
So, whats wrong to arguing someone as donated with doubtless truth if he/she getting knowledge by God? The information given by God could be doubtful?
You cannot refute what is given so you argue over the validity of the person bringing it. I'll make your job easier I'm no one to follow or believe in. Don't believe what I say. On the contrary, doubt everything I say and don't believe it unless you check it out yourself. Don't trust me at all. Tell everyone to be wary of me, not to trust me, and to double-check everything I bring up. Every single thing I say should be mistrusted until it is checked against the Quran.
Don't believe me, don't trust me, don't uphold what I say at all. Only go by what the Quran says. DAgain, it is up to you to confirm if it is truth or if it is not. I won't be asked what you do.
It is totally nonsense if someone tells "Ask Allah to explain it." while can't behold his/her knowledge as doubtless. We are talking here about a knowledge directly coming from God, not strawmans constructed with traditions.
Peace.
You haven't brought anything at all to refute what was shown; you couldn't answer me at all. So for myself, my iman has grown; I'm rightly guided by Allah. That's all I'm concerned about. My obligation to anyone is to remind. That's it. I'm only responsible for myself and my actions and what I do and what I believe in.
It's between you and Allah what you do. D"He has sent down upon you in the Book 'When you hear God's signs being disbelieved and made mock of, do not sit with them until they plunge into some other talk, or else you will surely be like to them.' God will gather the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in Gehenna." Surah 4140
You had three (3) chances to discuss the proofs given. Since you instead focused on Invalidation through Misdirect and Strawman, I see you have nothing of substance to actually share.
As far as I am concerned, our conversation is over.Peace.
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That implies that anything goes. No one can be wrong? I know I am heavily biased based on my predetermined notions of salat being the traditional sunni practice, but mmkhan is right. I shouldn't be seeking forums for guidance on what I don't understand, but instead seeking guidance from AQ and from Allah.
Alhamdulillah! This man speaks Truth.
May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.
Peace.
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Salaam brother,
That implies that anything goes. No one can be wrong? I know I am heavily biased based on my predetermined notions of salat being the traditional sunni practice, but mmkhan is right. I shouldn't be seeking forums for guidance on what I don't understand, but instead seeking guidance from AQ and from Allah.
May Allah guide you in what you are looking for. And...
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20114 Then High above all is Allah, the King, the True. And do not be hasty with the Quraan before its inspiration is completed to you, and say My Lord, increase my knowledge.May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His only true path pr
Mohammed M. Khan