Question regarding transsexualism in the Quran
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Im wondering what the Quranic perspective on transsexualism is. Is it allowed to do a sex change?
I am a muslim and a mother to a transsexual child, a girl born into a boys body.
May Allah reward you all for spreading your knowledge.
Salaam
Welcome to the forum.
This is a medical issue. Follow your doctor's advice.
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Aisha,
I do not understand 'girl into boy's body'; you mean hermaphrodite? or Transsexual? Anyway, to a great extent possible controlling or avoiding sexual tendencies where it is a crime in general is Quran. To go under knife, does not change one's sexual attitude at all. Medical or surgical field does not know anything about this condition, except arrogantly involving itself with mechanical manipulation and intervention. They will supplicate the body with chemically prepared male/female hormones which in turn will interfere with the rest of the intricately interwoven semblance of balance of naturally secreted hormones. This might result in unpleasant situations and uncontrollable medical complications eventually. So keep up patience and let us turn to God for Guidance; there is the guidance near, for those who believe and seek belief and patience.
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Aisha,
I do not understand 'girl into boy's body'; you mean hermaphrodite? or Transsexual? Anyway, to a great extent possible controlling or avoiding sexual tendencies where it is a crime in general is Quran. To go under knife, does not change one's sexual attitude at all. Medical or surgical field does not know anything about this condition, except arrogantly involving itself with mechanical manipulation and intervention. They will supplicate the body with chemically prepared male/female hormones which in turn will interfere with the rest of the intricately interwoven semblance of balance of naturally secreted hormones. This might result in unpleasant situations and uncontrollable medical complications eventually. So keep up patience and let us turn to God for Guidance; there is the guidance near, for those who believe and seek belief and patience.
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Peace
As I wrote I am talking about transsexualism, not hemafrodhite.
First, transsexualism has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation... Its about our gender. The name is missleading to many, I know, but now we have made this clear.
Second, ppl having transsexualism, can't stand living that way. They would do ANYTHING to get to live in the other gender. As many as 50% of young transsexual kids, under 18, tries to commit suicide. Some succeed...
I just wanted to know if any one knows if there is something in the Qur'an about this issue.
I have read some on a page who claims that there is some verses on this subject...
Aisha
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Peace
As I wrote I am talking about transsexualism, not hemafrodhite.
First, transsexualism has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation... Its about our gender. The name is missleading to many, I know, but now we have made this clear.
Second, ppl having transsexualism, can't stand living that way. They would do ANYTHING to get to live in the other gender. As many as 50% of young transsexual kids, under 18, tries to commit suicide. Some succeed...
I just wanted to know if any one knows if there is something in the Qur'an about this issue.
I have read some on a page who claims that there is some verses on this subject...
Aisha
Salaam Sister
Drfazal is not wrong.This is what you wrote in your first post.I am a muslim and a mother to a transsexual child, a girl born into a boys body.
This post indicates that as you child is
-genotypically girl ie XX
-Phenotypically boy i.e outward look (external genitalia)
Such conditions are known as "true/false hermophroditesBut probably you want to say that your child is
-genotypically and pheotypically as boy
-Psychologically a girl
Did I get your point of view correctly ?
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This is a medical issue. Follow your doctor's advice.
Surely you can offer more than that. It sounds quiet patronising, unintentional as it may be.
I think what Aisha was after was adivce from the quran to facilitate her decision making process, seeing that people here should know the book inside out.Aisha, as you can imagine there nothing in the quran that talks about gender disorders explicitly.
But God absolutely asserts that he creates what he wills, everything is under his control. There will be implicit references and lessons that can be drawn from other verses. I'll read through the Quran again with your question in mind and inshallah let you know if I find anything.My personal decision would be to help that person feel comfortable and loved in their own skin.
Use of surgery and drugs in an area about which we know so little doesn't sit well with me.Don't do what society or family expects, but do what is best for yor child.
In the meantime perhaps you can share with us how old the child is and why has she been diagnosed as you describe.
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Salaam Sister
Drfazal is not wrong.This is what you wrote in your first post.
This post indicates that as you child is
-genotypically girl ie XX
-Phenotypically boy i.e outward look (external genitalia)
Such conditions are known as "true/false hermophroditesBut probably you want to say that your child is
-genotypically and pheotypically as boy
-Psychologically a girl
Did I get your point of view correctly ?
RegardsSalam
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexualism
The word "transsexualism" has nothing to do with intersexual conditions as hermophrodites.
For me who lives besides it every day, its all clear, but I guess for you who doesn't, its a bit more complex.. I need to be a bit clearer perhaps.
Anyway, I just wanted the Quranic view on the issue, transsexualism.
My baby is almost nine now and has said herself, that she is a girl since she was 2,5 years old. We have been at a children's hospital and a big team of specialists in this matter, has examined her and given her the diagnose "gender identity disorder in childhood" which will change into "transsexualism", in about a year. After that we will start treating her with drugs who will stop male puberty. When she is 16 she will get the female hormones and start development as a women.
I know there is some stuff said in the traditional sunnah, hadiths, about my topic, but even though you might find some good things in there, I don't believe it's relevant in religious perspectives. The Qur'an is.
One verse is 2431,
2431 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and keep
covered their private parts, and that they should not reveal their beauty
except what is apparent, and let them put forth their shawls over their
cleavage. And let them not reveal their beauty except to their husbands,
or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons
of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the
sons of their sisters, or their women, or those committed to them by oath
or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet
understood the composition of women. And let them not strike with
their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their
beauty. And repent to God, all of you believers, that you may succeed."the male servants who are without need" who are those?
In hadith its called "mukhannath" and is explained in two kinds.. the first one is a transsexual person, who can't help him/herself, and the second one is those who put on the other genders clothes and acts to commit sins.
I don't know enough to interpret the Qur'an, so I need your help!
wa salam,
Aisha -
peace Aisha,
I think most are having difficulty in understanding exactly what the situation is, as am I.
I assume she was born genetically male, XY, but feels female. And I assume therefore has male genetalia. So, for all intents and purposes, she is male physiologically, but psychologically feels female?
I dont know anything about this area, but a few questions come to mind
Is there a chance that once the male hormones naturally begin to take their course, she will revert to feeling like a male? If there is a chance, and you allow them to take their course and it doesn't work, is there no going back? i.e. once this development period is over you will have missed your window of opportunity to help her?
In what way does she manifest or feel like a female?
Has attraction to the opposite sex ever came up?
Is it possible for her to naturally develop as a male, thus worst case scenario will be an effeminate male? who may or may not be attracted to men?
It's ok if you dont want to discuss any of these questions, as it is quite personal, but thought I'd write them, for something to think about, although I'm sure you will have already had these thoughts.
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Salam
She was born a boy, and I made her wear boys clothes, play with boys toys and so on, like any normal boy... But she refused... When she was little, like a year or two, she always wore a shirt on her head, and said that it was her long hair.
When we were to go outside, I made her take it off, and she got really upset. Not like if I would tell her to leave her toy at home, but much worse...
When she was 2,5 years old we went to see her grandmother. The grandmother told my baby to take off the shirt from her head since she is a BOY. My baby replied, "I'm a girl". The GM then repeated "No, you're a boy, never say you are a girl again" and then she slapped my baby... Not hard, but i don't believe in hitting children so I screamed at her and then left...
Anyway... That was the first time she said it out loud, that she is a girl.After that I got scared, and me and my baby's father, tried even harder to make her a boy.
When she was 3 I seeked help with the children's psychologists, and they told me to let the child choose. That it was possible she was transsexual. I hated their answers.
But after 2 more, really difficult years, I started to realize. I read about it and every piece fell into place.
You asked me how she manifests these feminine side, and I will tell you... She is more feminine than any girl you know
The way she speaks, moves, dances, walks... In everything!She says she doesn't want to live if she cant live as a girl. And it breaks my heart.
When a child has come on this strong, and for this long (her hole life), like my baby has, its most likely she will stay this way. The hormone blockers used at first is reversible. If you stop taking theme you will go into normal puberty. The nonreversible drugs is not given until her doctor, and she, is really sure, and the sex change operation isnt done until the age of 18.
What happens if you don't stop male puberty on a transsexual girl, like my baby, is that she will get depressed and might harm herself badly. She will get a dark voice that no operation in the world can make feminine again... She will grow beard, which is really hard to get rid off later... And so on...
Some male hormones are already in her system, and she still doesn't want to live as a boy.
Until for not long ago we thought transsexualism was just like a psychiatric illness, but now we know its biological. Something happens when the child is growing in the whom, in week8-14.
There is actually a test that can be made to be sure, but there is a big problem... You need to be dead firstS
They can measure a subject in the brain.One child on every 10000'th birth is born like this. Its 3 times as usual to be like my baby, a male to female transsexual, as it is to be a female to male transsexual.
I hope I got things a little bit more clear for you, if not ask again.
Wa salam, Aisha
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Dear Sister Salaam
I am not a Muftee but showing just an opinion which might help your out. At more than one places Allah saysAllah does not burden any human being with a responsibility heavier than he can bear
So if the doctors think that as such this gender identitiy problem is going to create uncontrollable psychological confliction then you should act as they advise.
If it is controllable with medicine and psychotherapy then you should reconsider your decision.
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peace Aisha,
Thanks for clarifying.
I find it interesting at such a young age she acted female, even with toys. For example, I would have thought a child given any toys would play with them.
In any case, I think if I were in your situation I would consult medical advice / specialists, child/father and go with what seems best for your child. The thing is, a significant part of our acts are based on intention, if your intention is just/honest/sincere/righteous/etc then I would find it difficult to think God would assign blame if you got it wrong. I can think of a few verses that could be relevant, but I can only recall one at the moment, 2225.
As a side note, I study nutrition sometimes and I am aware of the negative effects of soya on male development, if you wish to research it. Not saying it is related, but you may find it useful/interesting.
All the best.
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Im wondering what the Quranic perspective on transsexualism is. Is it allowed to do a sex change?
I am a muslim and a mother to a transsexual child, a girl born into a boys body.
May Allah reward you all for spreading your knowledge.
Salaam
Perhaps it does.
The answer for such a person is as Andrea Dworkin and her relationship. Why? Because the inside is as it is.
Then again, why do you refer to your son as a girl? And why did you scream at the grandmother?
Personally I'd send the child to martial arts classes (no I wouldn't suggest Ranma 1/2 as an inspiring series). And find natural herbal treatment for soy poisoning.
http//www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327 -
Salam
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexualism
The word "transsexualism" has nothing to do with intersexual conditions as hermophrodites.
For me who lives besides it every day, its all clear, but I guess for you who doesn't, its a bit more complex.. I need to be a bit clearer perhaps.
Anyway, I just wanted the Quranic view on the issue, transsexualism.
My baby is almost nine now and has said herself, that she is a girl since she was 2,5 years old. We have been at a children's hospital and a big team of specialists in this matter, has examined her and given her the diagnose "gender identity disorder in childhood" which will change into "transsexualism", in about a year. After that we will start treating her with drugs who will stop male puberty. When she is 16 she will get the female hormones and start development as a women.
I know there is some stuff said in the traditional sunnah, hadiths, about my topic, but even though you might find some good things in there, I don't believe it's relevant in religious perspectives. The Qur'an is.
One verse is 2431,
2431 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and keep
covered their private parts, and that they should not reveal their beauty
except what is apparent, and let them put forth their shawls over their
cleavage. And let them not reveal their beauty except to their husbands,
or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons
of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the
sons of their sisters, or their women, or those committed to them by oath
or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet
understood the composition of women. And let them not strike with
their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their
beauty. And repent to God, all of you believers, that you may succeed."the male servants who are without need" who are those?
In hadith its called "mukhannath" and is explained in two kinds.. the first one is a transsexual person, who can't help him/herself, and the second one is those who put on the other genders clothes and acts to commit sins.
I don't know enough to interpret the Qur'an, so I need your help!
wa salam,
AishaSalam Aisha,
The Quran does not mention anything about this situation. Do you think it should? -
Aisha,
If at all there is a disease in a human, it is in the heart. This is Quran.
What you gave birth to is definitely a boy, it is his acquired or derived mentality he has been willingly acting as a girl. It is the heart that houses the mind. Teach him Quran, he will be boy again psychologically and mind wise too. At present, he is not at all a girl either from physiological, or biological or philosophical point of view. Do not go to doctors; and follow not them any more; they know nothing but drugging and knifing.
Peace.
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peace Aisha,
Thanks for clarifying.
I find it interesting at such a young age she acted female, even with toys. For example, I would have thought a child given any toys would play with them.
In any case, I think if I were in your situation I would consult medical advice / specialists, child/father and go with what seems best for your child. The thing is, a significant part of our acts are based on intention, if your intention is just/honest/sincere/righteous/etc then I would find it difficult to think God would assign blame if you got it wrong. I can think of a few verses that could be relevant, but I can only recall one at the moment, 2225.
As a side note, I study nutrition sometimes and I am aware of the negative effects of soya on male development, if you wish to research it. Not saying it is related, but you may find it useful/interesting.
All the best.
Peace.
Thank you for reading my story.
Offcours I will follow the medical advice, my daughters life depends on it.
Soya? Thats sounds interesting, but we dont use it! I will look into it anyway, so thanks
wa salamPerhaps it does.
The answer for such a person is as Andrea Dworkin and her relationship. Why? Because the inside is as it is.
Then again, why do you refer to your son as a girl? And why did you scream at the grandmother?
Personally I'd send the child to martial arts classes (no I wouldn't suggest Ranma 1/2 as an inspiring series). And find natural herbal treatment for soy poisoning.
http//www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327Salam
Just one question... why did you search the Qur'an for homosexuality? Its not relevant in this case...
transsexualism is not a sexual orientation.
I call my daughter a girl becuz she is one! And I will scream and go angry with anyone hitting my children! even call the police if necessary
Children need protection.Salam Aisha,
The Quran does not mention anything about this situation. Do you think it should?Salam.
I am a bit surprised over your question. Why shouldnt the Qur'an mention these humans?
I believe that God sent me this child because He knows I am capabel of dealing with itI didnt come here for medical advice, i will give it to my baby, anything she need. I came to see if God had mentioned something on this subject, anything relevant at all, on this forum, because I know there is a lot of ppl with big knowledge about the Qur'an in here. There is hadiths on the subject but i reject theme, so I was just wondering if there was something in the Great Book of Allah.
Wa salam,
Aisha -
Aisha,
If at all there is a disease in a human, it is in the heart. This is Quran.
What you gave birth to is definitely a boy, it is his acquired or derived mentality he has been willingly acting as a girl. It is the heart that houses the mind. Teach him Quran, he will be boy again psychologically and mind wise too. At present, he is not at all a girl either from physiological, or biological or philosophical point of view. Do not go to doctors; and follow not them any more; they know nothing but drugging and knifing.
Peace.
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If you get cancer, God forbid, you wouldn't go to a doctor? You would just sit at home reading Quran?
Transsexualism is biological, and that's a fact today 2009.
There is this test, but it is only to be made on dead ppl, and i wouldn't go that far just to prof you wrongI think your advice is wrong, and that you should seek knowledge in the subject before saying things like this.
Not even in the strict sect of salaafi does one say "don't go to the doctor, if you are ill".
My girl reads the Qur'an, and is learning about Islam, alhamdulillah. She is praying every night, that when she wakes up, she will have a girls body.
Do you have anything from the Qur'an, that states your advice?
wa salam,
Aisha -
peace,
I think the issue of homosexuality is mentioned because its underlying theme of it being unnatural is also present in transsexualism. Also because this issue may need to be considered no matter which option is chosen.
Out of curiosity, what is it that they test for when the person is dead, to determine the presence of this condition? And how proven is this test?
Also, what do they think happens during pregnancy, which you referred to earlier? -
Im wondering what the Quranic perspective on transsexualism is. Is it allowed to do a sex change?
I am a muslim and a mother to a transsexual child, a girl born into a boys body.
May Allah reward you all for spreading your knowledge.
Salaam
Aisha,
I came across this thread and felt the need to write a little response. I honestly do not believe that you will find anything helpful in the Qur'an. It lacks information when it comes to issues of sexual and/or gender identity the way that they are understood today. Yes, there are verses that relate to indecent attractions and sexual behaviour, but they are not relevant to how gender and sexuality are viewed and understood today. Your daughter is lucky and blessed to have a supportive and loving mother such as yourself who is able to respect her struggle, and trust that her dilemma is real. I volunteer at a centre that provides peer support for the LGBT (which includes trans people) community, and you wouldn't believe the amount of kids I work with who find themselves without anyone to lean on. Their families work against them and try to 'convince' them, whether through religion or psychology, that the 'fix' to their problem is to simply let go and accept that they are who they were physiologically born to be.
You obviously know the situation well. You have studied the matter and understand that gender identity is very separate than sexual identity (though they may cross paths). You have worked with the medical field to try and ease the transitional process for your daughter. You're doing a great job! I am not transexual, but I have experienced enough misunderstanding and disrespect from the world for my own position in the LGBT community. I say this to share that I am not responding here as someone who doesn't understand or relate to your daughter's situation.
I agree with your statement in response to Taj. Yes, this is an issue that I wish everybody were able to open their hearts to understanding. Gender identity issues affect a lot of people. It certainly would have been nice if there were mention of them in the Qur'an...and what mention there is, it seems to be negative and misleading, unfortunately.
You have made it clear time and time again that you are simply asking if people know of verses that refer to gender identity or transsexuality in the Qur'an. There seems to be none...at least none that would really speak to the issue of how it is viewed and dealt with in today's world.Anyway, having said all this, I suppose that I just felt the need to say thank you for being there for your daughter and giving her exactly what she needs your unconditional understanding, support, and love.
~ Dana
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salam Aisha,
Salam.
I am a bit surprised over your question. Why shouldnt the Qur'an mention these humans?
I believe that God sent me this child because He knows I am capabel of dealing with itOnly by the support of Allah, one is capable of handling and dealing with any challenge. So keep seeking Allah's support because it is the one and only way. bravo
Now in regard to Al Quran, I don't think that it should mention each and every detail of each and every situation of each and every mindset of each and every indiviual. Not that it does not, btw. The Quran speaks in general. The Quran does not, for example, mention the Ozone hole as important and critical it is on Earth and all it's inhabitants. Yet the Quran does mention that corruption will spread out of people's own doings. So there are zillion of cases, situations and damages that, of course, resulted only from us, humans. And of course, it is, almost always, the innocents are the ones paying the price.
So keep doing what you are doing and may Allah be with you in every step of the way.
peace
