Question regarding transsexualism in the Quran
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Never thought I'd read that here but awesome. Don't be discouraged by some who think they've got it all figured out, they're everywhere. You've done a great job of responding in a classy way (and no, I don't particularly like Trump).
Brohoof!
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Lol, not far enough brony...
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i remember song just chill chill just chill,
@ sinem, i just read ur comments pointing out u dnt know aisha and if i am not wrong you are male with female combination,
i was thinking its the son of aisha he probably be 16 by now,
and i can understand its a gifted creation enjoying characterstics of both sexes, lmao from your discussion,
anyway as far i concern there are lot of other things muslims dnt suppose to do but still they do it , like murder, sex, lie, dishonesty and lot more specially 99.99 canot escape from one unfavorable thing what we call backbitting , so it dosent matter but make sure you love your lord, obey your lord, never assosiate anything with lord, and rest of the matters God will decide and judge according to the conditions provided to beings, peace -
Lol, not far enough brony...
The female word would be 'pegasister'. Gosh, i lost all my credibility now, did i? ;D I suppose you're not actually muslim but a haruhiist?
@ sinem, i just read ur comments pointing out u dnt know aisha and if i am not wrong you are male with female combination
I guess that depends on your defenition (which is the whole point of the topic in the first place). I am what you would consider the same as her son/daughter (we don't know how this evolved, so i'll keep the slash in there), but the difference is i'm an adult person, and thus far better qualified to claim such things about myself than a teenager, as for teenagers this often is just a phase, however, when these feelings are still around in your late twenties, they're not ever going to dissapear, because they're inherent to your nature.
(also lot of transgendered people only realise it when they reach an age around 16 and 18 when the effects of male hormones (or female hormones in case of female-to-male transgendered people) start to become truly visible and the contrast between your personality and your body/instinctive nature becomes apparent. As opposed to the shallow reasons like clothing or toys that you find in kids.I'm what i refer to as semi-closeted. By which i mean i haven't started the 'transition' (reasons for that are lack of financial/professional stability and other issues not related to this), but i am open about it to all people important (partner, closest family, closest friends). Also as i mentioned a few times, i prefer to think such a decision trough and trough before i do it, because rushing into it will only cause damage to myself and other people in the long term. Though i've had some toe-in-the-water experiences/efforts, which led me to the conclusion that shallow stuff as simply changing clothes does not make me feel more or less feminine. Another problem is confusion between gender issues and things like autism and ADD/ADHD. Often people who originally got a (wrongful) autism-diagnosis later turn out to be transgendered instead, and there is currently a lot of research going on about these relations of these 3 'mental handicaps' (not illnesses), according to my psychiatrist. And i did need to understand more about all of those issues so i can distinguish the specific characteristics of them and try to seperate them from each other. And it seems autism isn't much of an issue (only the outside appearance), especially as my way of reasoning is totally different to them. (i met a lot of people).
I mention this, because i got a feeling that sooner or later someone would come up with autism to try to troll the discussion, but i beat them to it by confirming there is actual serious research going on about that relation. Theres much overlap in behaviour, though the way of thinking is different. With age, symptons have lessened and i'm more able to express myself like i really am somewhat emotional and someone who loves to talk and discuss and i'm somewhat of a chaotic personality and i feel uncomfortable with structured and simplistic things. I'm more a person who thinks and talks between the lines and outside of the box, and has lot of trouble thinking inside of the box. Quite the opposite of an autist thus, however i haven't been able to express myself that way in the past, which led to the wrongful diagnosis. (it's possible that some traces of autism are inside of me, but they are not significant, and i found out they were mostly learned behaviour from my parents rather than inherent nature)I've also been meeting specialists and fellow trans people (and autists too) But as i mentioned before, that 'public scene' is full of shallow people, which is probably what most people see. But i've also been able to talk to genuine people who acted normal. This is however not what the media sees. That scene is also not the 'mass drag queen disco orgy' stereotype as portrayed in movies, but just calm meeting places. Though those wild bars probably exist. That's not quite relevant, but a certain person seemed to think it is. The average homosexual does not look like Boy George and the average transgendered person does not look like Cher. They actually look like normal everyday people.
I'm also lucky that my partner comes from a Southeast Asian county where trans people are an everyday occurence. Having been there, i can indeed confirm that in that part of the world, you see lots of them every day, and that is only counting the ones where you can see it. I suppose this is partially due to the former Hindu influence in the whole of South Asia (which are today day both Buddhist, Christian and Muslim countries), and partially because those places are very densily populated.
Here in Europe, though, trans people are less accepted than in South/East Asia, and as i mentioned some pages ago, the scenes are somewhat elitist, so most people remain closeted or avoid being related to the scene. This however does not mean they don't exist, as a specific person tried to suggest. At the same time he also tried to suggest everyone in Europe is trans. Go figure. Though it must be said the public perception, the perception by specialists and the perception of the trans scene themselves are vastly different than my first attempts around 10 years ago. This because the young generation is more realistic about gender dysphoria, as they have a lot more access to clear and correct information. (especially as there are some official information website related to clinics, as opposed to the questionable blogs 10 years ago. And slowly the people who don't fit in to the typical 'i knew it as a kid' story are starting to find each other. The specialists also seem to notice that they focussed on the wrong people in their research.
It has been argued that a lot of people regret their decision. But looking closer, those people usually had many personality problems, others rushed in too fast and others had totally unrealistic expectations. The current generation is a lot more realistic.See, again i explain a lot more than i'm suppossed to, haha.
And yeah, i'd like to repeat that indeed i'm not ungrateful about how i was made. It is quite painful and i'm defenitely not happy joy joy about it, but i try to just make the best out of and try not to hurt others in the process.
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@ sinem yeh in my country there are lot of these people , they have different names, like khusra, hejra, khawjasira,
are you talking about them, but if u know they are males they makeup in such a way they looks womens or trans
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their names are most likely ,
fareeda rakshay wala,
naveed bablee,
zakoota kukri faroosh,
hameeda kothay tapni,
i know one of them was my frd he used to make up like womens and used to earn money by dancing in wedding parties ,
hahaha one funny situation one of them get gang rape once but police was unable to identify what gender they write in FIR so they write gender unknown
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I genuinely appreciate this comment and i do not blame you for mixing us up. No i do not have any relation to Aisha and she seems to be inactive today. I just bumped upon the topic she created some years ago by googling my questions, because it was relevant to me. So far i've had lot of answers to my questions, and i do not regret considering islam. The way i read it, it matches up to the reality.
I totally expected having to go into some arguments and even though it is hard to not lose my patience when some people are ignorant about the real world, it's a good preparation for when i go public with my transition, because i'll always have to face such opposition. Therefore avoiding opposition is not the right thing. God is testing me if i'm truly a woman by putting my trough these trails, and it makes perfect sense that he does so. It's by no means fun, but i'm accepting the challenge. The other test is being totally honest with my close ones, and i'm doing that too.
I apologise for any bold statements. Yet though i still think your points towards Aisha weren't really helpful to her either (if she were able to read it). I think my suggestion towards her of 'wait until your kid is an adult' was something we can both agree on though. Correct me if i'm wrong.Please await patiently, I will if Allah so wills come forth with a response fit for your questions in due time.
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The female word would be 'pegasister'. Gosh, i lost all my credibility now, did i? ;D I suppose you're not actually muslim but a haruhiist?
I think I'd prefer to be called brony since the female version is even worse! Don't worry about it, lost mine a long time back, and... I actually liked that anime back in the day laugh
their names are most likely ,
fareeda rakshay wala,
naveed bablee,
zakoota kukri faroosh,
hameeda kothay tapni,
i know one of them was my frd he used to make up like womens and used to earn money by dancing in wedding parties ,
hahaha one funny situation one of them get gang rape once but police was unable to identify what gender they write in FIR so they write gender unknown
What are you talking about...their names are most likely etc? These are their individual stage names or whatever they use to ply their trade, it's not 'most likely'. Not all such people are in that trade neither do they have these types of names. And that is not really a funny situation.
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And that is not really a funny situation.
lolx ooh i did not told you about the details, actually one of them was agree to do jigi jigi with one of the visitor who like the dance of that male/female version but during the process he could not finalise it becoz he was thinking something else , so he told to that dancer its cheating now give money back or give half servcice to one of my friend in return, dancer refused it and they get fighting , his makeup was like womens but his punches in self defence was fully male version punches rotfl rotfl
and police was in confusion what is this case rotfl people who try to make fun of nature and system they face consequences,
one more thing i know personally one of them and he have his own kids from a women , day time he is full make version night time he dance , i asked y you doing this then he said profession of earning money,
and anyboody remeber indian movie saddak(road) in which maharani played this role she was brotherl head,
and according to hadith or fatwa, if you irritate or tease anyone of them , your wishes never get fullfill and they will give you bad dua. something like curse, voodoo
and its nothing funny but i cant help it, for me its totally funny.depend on the taste of humor
there are some of them who engage in sex for money and inreturn they give you sex and massage both, a combination of relaxation ,lol
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and police was in confusion what is this case people who try to make fun of nature and system they face consequences
So...gang rape is a consequence of transvestites 'making fun of nature and system'? Right. I'm not really sure what is more amusing, the glaring disconnect or the lack of self awareness of how one comes across. I guess it would depend on the taste of humor. Some may even find it sad however.
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So...gang rape is a consequence of transvestites 'making fun of nature and system'? Right. I'm not really sure what is more amusing, the glaring disconnect or the lack of self awareness of how one comes across. I guess it would depend on the taste of humor. Some may even find it sad however.
my brother , you are making me laugh again, i did not say gang rape is the consequences of making fun of nature,
i was telling you the situation in which all these things happen and they confused in nature of fir, in the law of country there was only two genders , male female, so they write unkown gender in FIR and it was not gang rape at all , it was more likely you can say undisputed business between two males and one unkown gender, and reuslt finsih in fight, so ploice catch them, then the funny sitaution started before it was sad i agree, lol
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So no one actually got gang raped. The word was used just for effect apparently. Lest it sound like I'm disappointed, I'm not, more relieved but then there's the issue of your wording that means something else entirely to you other than what it reads as. I feel cheated. And violated by this egregious misuse. At least the multiple commas stopped, thank you. My mother always told me to look on the bright side.
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So no one actually got gang raped. The word used for just for effect apparently. Lest it sound like I'm disappointed, I'm not, more relieved but then there's the issue of your wording that means something else entirely to you other than what it reads as. I feel cheated. And violated by this egregious misuse. At least the multiple commas stopped, thank you. My mother always told me to look on the bright side.
Red no it was attempted gang rape but grounds of case was different as i told you thats y police get confuse.
and sorry for the commas ,
and my mother always told me the same thing, see you forget the teaching of your mother and think about my wrong side.lol just kidding,
the incident was not funny, but the situation was funny.
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after that particular case and lot more cases finally the government of pakistan introduce a law in which these gender get full rights in every aspect of life. they can do proper job now and other facilities like letting land and these type of stuff,
now in the revised law of gender paksitan recognise these type of people same as normal male female.
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Look, I'm not sure why I'm attempting to explain this rape of the English language but I am. Why didn't you just write attempted gang rape then instead of "hahaha one funny situation one of them get gang rape once but police was unable to identify what gender they write in FIR so they write gender unknown", then you say " no it was attempted gang rape grounds of case was different as i told you thats y police get confuse"...when you had said "and they confused in nature of fir" = "unable to identify what gender they write in FIR so they write gender unknown" etc! It's like you write something and then say it's totally something else...and the reader is totally an idiot for misreading you. What does 'grounds of case' mean to you? Nature of the incident or the gender confusion? It's probably the latter which doesn't make any sense or totally something else but whatever. I regret nothing.
I didn't forget that's why I wrote it! That's it though, I've had it. I'm going to think it's opposite day when responding to you
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Look, I'm not sure why I'm attempting to explain this rape of the English language but I am. Why didn't you just write attempted gang rape then instead of "hahaha one funny situation one of them get gang rape once but police was unable to identify what gender they write in FIR so they write gender unknown", then you say " no it was attempted gang rape grounds of case was different as i told you thats y police get confuse"...when you had said "and they confused in nature of fir" = "unable to identify what gender they write in FIR so they write gender unknown" etc! It's like you write something and then say it's totally something else...and the reader is totally an idiot for misreading you. What does 'grounds of case' mean to you? Nature of the incident or the gender confusion? It's probably the latter which doesn't make any sense or totally something else but whatever. I regret nothing.
I didn't forget that's why I wrote it! That's it though, I've had it. I'm going to think it's opposite day when responding to you
my brother first of all thanx for making my day full of laughs i hope it increase my blood amount.
second when i was addressing this issue my focus was to tell readers about gender unkown thats y its seems funny , i was not thinking somebody will tear the skin of hair, and i have to expalin all of the event .
and in writing if i write rape case or attempted rape case its dosenst change the basic subject gender unknown, i was not thinking there are investigators of errors sitting here as well.
day are just days opposite or similar time will pass anyway so lets pass it in laughs lolxx peace
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bender u are very naughty, i think he is not male, becoz its first time i m encountring mr or miss savage carrot , and i just check his/her profile nothing gender mention there. see thats what happen when u try to uncover the skin of hair.lolx
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my brother first of all thanx for making my day full of laughs i hope it increase my blood amount.second when i was addressing this issue my focus was to tell readers about gender unkown thats y its seems funny , i was not thinking somebody will tear the skin of hair, and i have to expalin all of the event .and in writing if i write rape case or attempted rape case its dosenst change the basic subject gender unknown, i was not thinking there are investigators of errors sitting here as well. day are just days opposite or similar time will pass anyway so lets pass it in laughs lolxx peace
Instead of accepting you were unclear, you're blaming the reader? That is funny. Let's increase blood counts together, hopefully that doesn't mean murder or...attempted murder.
bender u are very naughty, i think he is not male, becoz its first time i m encountring mr or miss savage carrot , and i just check his/her profile nothing gender mention there. see thats what happen when u try to uncover the skin of hair.lolx
It's not the first time, oh sorry, you actually mean you've encountered me before but silly readers...they always misunderstand, don't they. Skin of hair lol.