Defenition of marriage suggests sex before marriage permitted?!
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So , I think I have been talking Greek since last few days.
Have I even once referred to any Hadith or man made history book? Brother! what I have been talking is Quran , pure Quran, nothing but Quran.
Salaam
Brother provide the proof then and also how do these MMA exist now.
Unless you decide their nature ,you cannot locate them in todays society.
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Peace
Hmmm. Makes sense. I'll think about that.
Can you give me the verse numbers please so I can check it in Arabic.God bless
4-25, ---- and marry them with the permission of "Ahlehunna"
24-33 --- mimma Ma Malakat emnakum fa katiboohum----
References are already there in the post , i think you dont bother to read .siki
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Salaam
Brother provide the proof then and also how do these MMA exist now.
Unless you decide their nature ,you cannot locate them in todays society.
RegardsI have not come across any MMA or a slave. It is long gone. Future, I dont know, they might be back, Man kind is very cruel by nature. Just wait for the WW-3. ;D
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4-25, ---- and marry them with the permission of "Ahlehunna"
24-33 --- mimma Ma Malakat emnakum fa katiboohum----References are already their in the post , i think you dont bother to read .
siki
Well you thought wrong.
If I didn't bother to read then I would'nt have bothered to reply.
I actually thought that you only gave the verse number for...And he (ahel) is being instructed in 24-33 to free her, if she asks a deed in this regard.
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I have not come across any MMA or a slave. It is long gone. Future, I dont know, they might be back, Man kind is very cruel by nature. Just wait for the WW-3. ;D
salaam
Why do you call them "slaves" ? Why are all of you applying them today when they do not exist .
MMA = what is their nature and status according to quran ?
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Nisa 23-24-25
Prohibited to you (for marriage) are
? your mothers,
? daughters,
? sisters;
? father's sisters,
? mother's sisters;
? brother's daughters,
? sister's daughters;
? foster mothers (who gave you suck),
? foster sisters;
? your wives' mothers;
? your step-daughters residing in your homes from your wives which you have already consummated the marriage with; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you
? the wives of your sons that are from your seed;
? that you join between two sisters except what has already been done
for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful;and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking
? with your money
? if you are immune (muhsan)
? not for illicit sex.
As for those whom you have already had joy with them, then you shall give them their wage as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.Also women who are immune (muhsanat) are prohibited for you, except those whom your oaths possess (except those who agree voluntarily) if Allah has written on you so.
If any of you have not the physical ability to marry immune women, they may marry believing girls from among those whom your oaths possess(among from those who agree voluntarily) and Allah has full knowledge about your Faith. You are one from another You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their wage in kindness; They shall be
? immune (able to have sex),
? not wanting illicit sex
? not taking lovers.
If they become immune (wanting to have sex), then any of them who comes with lewdness shall have half the punishment of what is for the (normal) immune women of the retribution. This is for those who fear hardship from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful. -
salaam
Why do you call them "slaves" ? Why are all of you applying them today when they do not exist .
MMA = what is their nature and status according to quran ?
RegardsWe are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?
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We are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?
Please first answer my question.
What is the exact nature of MMA according to Quran? Unless their nature is established ,how we can now that is applicable today or not ?
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Salaam
What salaat has to do with MMA ?
I do not understand.Would you please tell me their relationship ?
RegardsYou ask too many questions brother, sometimes people don't have any answer so you need to be patient with them and give them some more time. Discussion is going very well MashaAllah, we have many answers so far, and will have even more just give everyone some time to think.
Thanks
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You ask too many questions brother, sometimes people don't have any answer so you need to be patient with them and give them some more time. Discussion is going very well MashaAllah, we have many answers so far, and will have even more just give everyone some time to think.
Thanks
Salaam
No problem ,go ahead without establishing Quranic meanings of MMA.
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Salaam
No problem ,go ahead without establishing Quranic meanings of MMA.
RegardsBrother I am sure you must be carrying out salat regularly. So have you established the Koranic procedure of your salat? If not, then why are you carrying it out that way.
please ponder over what Rasulhamsa said.
regards
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Brother I am sure you must be carrying out salat regularly. So have you established the Koranic procedure of your salat? If not, then why are you carrying it out that way.
please ponder over what Rasulhamsa said.
regards
sikiSalaam Brother
I am still confused about timings of salaat and its exact method.This thread has nothing to do with it.
Still my Question is
What is the Quranic meaning of MMA ?
Otherwise accept that you are using "Hadithi" meanings and go ahead.
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Salaam Brother
I am still confused about timings of salaat and its exact method.This thread has nothing to do with it.
Still my Question is
What is the Quranic meaning of MMA ?
Otherwise accept that you are using "Hadithi" meanings and go ahead.
Regardsso is that quran which tells you that there should be a method of salaat or you are just try to find a method using "hadithi" meanings of salaat?
Thanks
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so is that quran which tells you that there should be a method of salaat or you are just try to find a method using "hadithi" meanings of salaat?
Thanks
Salaam
I am not obsessed by
1Hadiths
2Code 19
3Inscriptions
Alhamdulillahi ,I am a Quran student. If you can provide some information I will appreciate.Note I think because you have no Quranic meanings of MMA ,go ahead with the concept ,the thread should not be derailed.
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