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Was Moses in Egypt?????

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    tauhid101
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    We have two of choices

    • Describe traditions using God's words
    • Describe God's words using traditions

    I generally choose first one.

    The Fire; they are exposed to it morning and evening; and on the day when the Hour upriseth (it is said) Cause Pharaoh's folk to enter the most awful doom.

    If "Pharaoh" is just a title, can you confirm that all generations of Pharaoh deserved most awful doom?

    Peace.

    The above verse should be cross-referenced with all the stories of Moses in the Quran. It is not logical referring to one verse only when asking a question.

    2627 (Pharaoh) said "Truly your messenger who has been sent to you is a veritable madman!"
    2628 (Moses) said "Lord of the East and the West, and all between! If ye only had sense!"
    2629 (Pharaoh) said "If thou dost put forward any god other than me, I will certainly put thee in prison!"

    2838 Pharaoh said "O Chiefs! No god do I know for you but myself therefore, O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the god of Moses but as far as I am concerned I think (Moses) is a liar!"
    2839 And he was arrogant and insolent in the land, beyond reason, he and his hosts they thought that they would not have to return to Us!"
    2840 So We seized him and his hosts, and We flung them into the sea now behold what was the End of those who did wrong!
    2841 And We made them leaders inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find.
    2842 In this world We made a Curse to follow them and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the loathed.

    The topic is about Moses and the particular Pharaoh during the exodus. It was the Pharaoh and his hosts during Moses who were drowned into the sea, condemned and cursed because the Pharaoh said he was god. Too bad for that particular Pharaoh because God decided to send Moses to him and show the Signs. Have you considered why, exodus? And why Egypt, and not other places, Abraham was send to the Egyptians, Joseph was send to the Egyptians and Moses. Maybe a new topic for Egypt should be started.

    Peace.

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      Peace,

      If God Says so, what can I say additionally? I think there is no one here to claiming that "badawii" is a proper name instead of just a title. Otherwise, deserving "most awful doom" is not comparable such a thing like being "worst in hypocrisy".

      Ayisha, I think he meant the Bedouins, the tribal desert dwellers.

      The verse about the awful doom is a punishment already decreed and the worst in hypocrisy are attitudes and yet to be punished. But if a person is a hypocrite until his death, then he will deserve that same awful doom punishment. Once someone is decreed to be in the Fire, there is nothing special or difference about them. But if a hypocrite repented before his death then he will deserve the Garden. Let?s leave the punishment to God alone, as for the still living, the past mentioned in the Book are examples for us to choose and follow, so that we know what our future will be like.

      Deserving "most awful doom" implies on me that someone have to made such a thing like who named as "Fraun" in Qur'an. "Most awful doom" is a special situation, then this special situation must point someone who have to be a special person. Fraun was insist on destruction even warned by a messenger of God with biggest visible miracles. Thus, makes Fraun has a special situation for deserving "most awful doom" then other kings.

      Read the above verses 2629 and 2838, the Pharaoh and his people during the time of Moses said he was god.

      4347 But when he(Moses) came to them with Our Signs, behold, they ridiculed them.
      4348 We showed them Sign after Sign, each greater than its fellow, and We seized them with Punishment, in order that they might turn (to Us).
      4349 And they said, "O thou sorcerer! Invoke thy Lord for us according to his covenant with thee; for we shall truly accept guidance."
      4350 But when We removed the Penalty from them, behold, they broke their word.
      4351 And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people, saying "O my people! Does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me, these streams flowing underneath me? What! See ye not then?
      4352 "Am I not better than this (Moses), who is a contemptible wretch and can scarcely express himself clearly?
      4353 "Then why are not gold bracelets bestowed on him, or come with him angels accompanying him in procession?"
      4354 Thus did he make fools of his people, and they obeyed him truly were they a people rebellious.
      4355 When at length they provoked Us, We exacted retribution from them, and We drowned them all.
      4356 And We made them of the Past and an Example to later ages.

      Jewish/Christian traditions are most effective barriers standing front of realizing true aspect of Moses story.

      No it is not just the Jewish/Christian traditions who distorted the story of Moses, but the most ?effective barriers?, are those done by the Saudi authorities with their wahhabism. Have you seen this news report in 2005?

      http//www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-destruction-of-mecca-saudi-hardliners-are-wiping-out-their-own-heritage-501647.html

      And here is another from the American Muslim website

      http//www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/saudi_destruction_of_muslim_historical_sites1/

      And if you Google Earth the place where Ron Wyatt discovered the Red Sea Crossing and Mt. Tur, you will find that most of the blackened mountain top has been scraped and the mountain east side are fenced and guarded by soldiers. They are all trying to destroy the Truth and the Signs from God and what did God say about this people, the rejectors of Truth and Faith. If they did not repent before their death, who do you think will be their leader to lead them to the Fire? The most awful doom punishment.

      God had revealed all the evidences of Moses and the exodus to a Christian man (refer to the website), do you believe this verse?

      582 Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians" because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

      Peace.

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        Peace,

        There is no mention in the Quran that Firaun is a proper name or a title and God did not mention the name of that particular Firaun or Pharaoh during Moses.

        If God should mention a particular name for Pharaoh, then how would you sure that is particular name? God mentioned Haman, Karun with their particular names, but for Firaun not?

        There are strong mentions in the Quran that we can accept Firaun as a proper name,

        • Used in a unique singular form without any exception along Quran
        • Used for pointing a particular person along Qur'an
        • Never used in plural form
        • Mentioning other lower people ( Haman, Karun ..) using particular names but not for himself, produces an illogic situation

        But there are plenty of archaeological evidences that Firaun in Arabic is the Pharaoh in English of Egypt.

        Besides that not make any sense at all, If you can point me an archaeological and lungiustic evidence from Arabia that confirms that word of Firaun/Firuan used for Egypt kings before Qur'an, then I respect it. This evidence should be independent from previous religious texts.

        If you read the articles of Ron Wyatt on his website, the chariot wheels they found at the crossing of the Red Sea were confirmed from the 18th Dynasty and further to their research, they found that there is a land bridge under the Red Sea at that particular place of crossing.

        http//wyattmuseum.com/red-sea-crossing-05.htm

        Whats important here is that Moses was in Egypt as per topic.

        Chariot wheels? I just wonder that if Wyatt would took Qur'an as only source, then would he sure about Red Sea that much prior to "chariot wheels" ?

        Peace.

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          Peace,

          I just trying tell you to we don't have strong evidence for assuming "Fraun" as a people. We can assume "badawi" as a people because of evidence of linguistics.

          From your earlier post you said Firaun is not a title but a proper name for a person. Now from above Firaun as a people. You still could not accept that Firaun in Arabic OR Pharaoh in English was a title for a single king, one person? And yet now you wanted to assume Firaun as a people?

          We are talking about generations of Pharaoh. If paharaoh is a people, then all of them have to be warned by God's messenger, witnessed to God's miracle then punished by God. Otherwise, deserving same awful doom as Moses's Pharaoh is NOT FAIR.

          If you read the above verse 2840-42, you will understand that it was only the Pharaoh and his hosts during Moses who were drowned and condemned and cursed. Read and understand more of the Truth from God through His Book. Do extra research from archaeology reports and articles if the histories mention in the Book of Truth interest you. Whoever deserve the Fire or the Garden are already explain in detail and decreed in the Book.

          God is Just, Merciful and Compassionate.

          Peace.
          tauhid101.

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            Please don't act as a child. You know what i mean exactly.
            Please do not assume the position of guest and raj in their absence. Badawi is a name for many people here just as Muhammed is or Hassan is. If you mean Bedouins as Tauhid says then dont misspell and accuse me of being a child for misunderstanding.

            I just trying tell you to we don't have strong evidence for assuming "Fraun" as a people. We can assume "badawi" as a people because of evidence of linguistics.
            No one said Pharaoh were 'a people'. Egyptians are a people, Pharaoh was a KING. King is a title, Pharaoh is a title for ONE person at a time. Chapter 12 Pharaoh is refered to as king but it is Pharaoh of that time.

            We are talking about generations of Pharaoh. If paharaoh is a people, then all of them have to be warned by God's messenger, witnessed to God's miracle then punished by God. Otherwise, deserving same awful doom as Moses's Pharaoh is NOT FAIR.
            No, YOU are talking about generations of people and claiming its not fair. I am talking about Pharaoh at that time, a person, a King of Egypt at that time. This happened to ONE KING at that time. NOW the people 'of the land of Pharaoh' are 90% Muslims. There is no Pharaoh now, there is a president.

            Bedouins are still Bedouins, they are a tribe of people. Badawi is a name of a person, not a tribe of people. Pharaoh was never a name, always was a title meaning King of Egypt.

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              If God should mention a particular name for Pharaoh, then how would you sure that is particular name? God mentioned Haman, Karun with their particular names, but for Firaun not?

              There are strong mentions in the Quran that we can accept Firaun as a proper name,

              • Used in a unique singular form without any exception along Quran
              • Used for pointing a particular person along Qur'an
              • Never used in plural form
              • Mentioning other lower people ( Haman, Karun ..) using particular names but not for himself, produces an illogic situation

              *it is used in singular because there was only 1 king at that time in Egypt.
              *the particular person was the king at that time
              *again, 1 at a time. There is only one ruler, king at a time in any kingdom
              *why illogical? Pharaoh had slaves, workers, high officials, the Ancient Egyptian Kingdom of this era was like no other on earth then or now.

              Besides that not make any sense at all, If you can point me an archaeological and lungiustic evidence from Arabia that confirms that word of Firaun/Firuan used for Egypt kings before Qur'an, then I respect it. This evidence should be independent from previous religious texts.
              Why would there be linguistic evidence from Arabia for this? you are asking for proof that the Arabs knew all this before Quran was revealed, prove to me they knew anything about the rest of Quran before it was revealed and you will prove its fake!

              Like it or not this is about Egypt, Egypt played a huge part in all Gods books. Pharaoh is the king of Egypt and not someone from Arabia.

              Chariot wheels? I just wonder that if Wyatt would took Qur'an as only source, then would he sure about Red Sea that much prior to "chariot wheels" ?

              Peace.

              That makes no sense

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                Please do not assume the position of guest and raj in their absence. Badawi is a name for many people here just as Muhammed is or Hassan is. If you mean Bedouins as Tauhid says then dont misspell and accuse me of being a child for misunderstanding.

                No one said Pharaoh were 'a people'. Egyptians are a people, Pharaoh was a KING. King is a title, Pharaoh is a title for ONE person at a time. Chapter 12 Pharaoh is refered to as king but it is Pharaoh of that time.
                No, YOU are talking about generations of people and claiming its not fair. I am talking about Pharaoh at that time, a person, a King of Egypt at that time. This happened to ONE KING at that time. NOW the people 'of the land of Pharaoh' are 90% Muslims. There is no Pharaoh now, there is a president.

                Bedouins are still Bedouins, they are a tribe of people. Badawi is a name of a person, not a tribe of people. Pharaoh was never a name, always was a title meaning King of Egypt.

                Peace Aysha, all,

                can you then explain why fir3awn in the Quran is always written without the particule AL?

                I mean if it was just a title any occurence of would mean "a king", indefinate case.
                While putting "AL" would definetly proove it is a title.

                Peace

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                  Peace,

                  From your earlier post you said Firaun is not a title but a proper name for a person. Now from above Firaun as a people. You still could not accept that Firaun in Arabic OR Pharaoh in English was a title for a single king, one person? And yet now you wanted to assume Firaun as a people?

                  I mentioned all of paharaohs as "people" while answering Ayaisha below. I thought Ayisha mentioned about all pharaohs as "people" then it was acceptable for me while assuming Fraun as title for all kings of Egypt. All pharaohs compose a group of "people" is it not?

                  both said by allah regarding a group of people at a certain time.

                  If you read the above verse 2840-42, you will understand that it was only the Pharaoh and his hosts during Moses who were drowned and condemned and cursed. Read and understand more of the Truth from God through His Book. Do extra research from archaeology reports and articles if the histories mention in the Book of Truth interest you. Whoever deserve the Fire or the Garden are already explain in detail and decreed in the Book.

                  God is Just, Merciful and Compassionate.

                  Thank you for good advise but you have to sure I know what I have readen from the Book. People sometimes failed to see basic Truth which standing front of us very clear.

                  Peace.

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                    Peace Aysha, all,

                    can you then explain why fir3awn in the Quran is always written without the particule AL?

                    I mean if it was just a title any occurence of would mean "a king", indefinate case.
                    While putting "AL" would definetly proove it is a title.

                    Peace

                    This has been brought up before somewhere.
                    Pharaoh was and is never called The Pharaoh, or A Pharaoh, always just Pharaoh. Pharaoh was not just King, he was one of the GODS, he was worshipped as a god, sacrifices made to him along with other gods etc. Pharaoh means Great House which refered to the King's palace but during the new Kingdom (16th to 11th Century BC) this became the title used to refer to the king himself.

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                      I mentioned all of paharaohs as "people" while answering Ayaisha below. I thought Ayisha mentioned about all pharaohs as "people" then it was acceptable for me while assuming Fraun as title for all kings of Egypt. All pharaohs compose a group of "people" is it not?

                      Quote from Ayisha
                      both said by allah regarding a group of people at a certain time.

                      the group of people was in answer to your post
                      "Otherwise, deserving "most awful doom" is not comparable such a thing like being "worst in hypocrisy"." and

                      "Deserving "most awful doom" implies on me that someone have to made such a thing like who named as "Fraun" in Qur'an. "Most awful doom" is a special situation, then this special situation must point someone who have to be a special person. Fraun was insist on destruction even warned by a messenger of God with biggest visible miracles. Thus, makes Fraun has a special situation for deserving "most awful doom" then other kings."

                      I replied that there are many groups of people refered to in Quran who will meet an awful doom.

                      The awful doom was in reference to 'the people of Pharaoh' and not all the Pharaohs.

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                        Please do not assume the position of guest and raj in their absence. Badawi is a name for many people here just as Muhammed is or Hassan is. If you mean Bedouins as Tauhid says then dont misspell and accuse me of being a child for misunderstanding.

                        raj in absence? I'm sorry but this should not be an answer for after claiming "childish act". Here is an internet forum, then I don't have to check your online status while answering you.

                        You have mentioned desert arabs, then i mentioned "badawi" which I thought it was arabic form of "desert arabs" instead of "badoui". You have to know what i meant.

                        I thought you are mentioning all pharaohs as "people" in quote below, then it was not unacceptable thing for me due to composing of paharaohs of a group of "people".

                        both said by allah regarding a group of people at a certain time.

                        I'm not fluent in English..this situation leaves a little bit misunderstood on me.

                        Peace.

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                          herbman
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                          This has been brought up before somewhere.
                          Pharaoh was and is never called The Pharaoh, or A Pharaoh, always just Pharaoh. Pharaoh was not just King, he was one of the GODS, he was worshipped as a god, sacrifices made to him along with other gods etc. Pharaoh means Great House which refered to the King's palace but during the new Kingdom (16th to 11th Century BC) this became the title used to refer to the king himself.

                          If you setup the rules then fine. If Pharaoh is a title like "King" then it should have the same grammatical behaviour, e.g. we can find in the Quran malikun= a king and al maliku= the king, never the case with Pharaoh.

                          Peace

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                            If you setup the rules then fine. If Pharaoh is a title like "King" then it should have the same grammatical behaviour, e.g. we can find in the Quran malikun= a king and al maliku= the king, never the case with Pharaoh.

                            Peace

                            why should it? It is not Arabic it is Ancient Egyptian and THE or A was never and is still never used for Pharaoh. I'm sure Allah was quite aware of the situation and got the grammar correct.

                            And I am not setting the rules, this is all ancient and well documented proven history that I am telling you. Egypt is FULL of this history in temples still standing and those unearthed, which is probably about 5% of what there is here.

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                              raj in absence? I'm sorry but this should not be an answer for after claiming "childish act". Here is an internet forum, then I don't have to check your online status while answering you.

                              You have mentioned desert arabs, then i mentioned "badawi" which I thought it was arabic form of "desert arabs" instead of "badoui". You have to know what i meant.
                              It has nothing to do with checking online status before replying. It has to do with you calling me childish for no reason other than not understanding your error. I had no idea what you meant until it was pointed out the correct word you meant.

                              I thought you are mentioning all pharaohs as "people" in quote below, then it was not unacceptable thing for me due to composing of paharaohs of a group of "people".

                              I'm not fluent in English..this situation leaves a little bit misunderstood on me.

                              Peace.

                              I understand you are not fluent in English. The group of people that will meet an awful doom at that time in those verses were Pharaoh and the people of Pharaoh, those who worshipped him as god. Also there are many other groups of people and individuals that the same applies to according to Quran. The verse in question here was referring to this particular Pharaoh at the time of Moses and not all Pharaoh as a group of people.

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                                why should it? It is not Arabic it is Ancient Egyptian and THE or A was never and is still never used for Pharaoh. I'm sure Allah was quite aware of the situation and got the grammar correct.

                                If we should compose an arabic sentence using word of "Fraun" then it is not case of whether Ancient Egyptian or not. We have to use arabic grammatical rules, not ancient Egyptian rules.

                                1. He is Pharaoh
                                2. He is a Pharaoh
                                3. He is the Pharaoh
                                4. He is one of Pharaohs

                                You see, I can use an ancient Egyptian word with English grammatical rules. First one is the exact form which used along by Quran that implies on me a proper noun. Other ones implies such a title.

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                                  It has nothing to do with checking online status before replying. It has to do with you calling me childish for no reason other than not understanding your error. I had no idea what you meant until it was pointed out the correct word you meant.

                                  I'm sorry but mentioning hundreds of people those named "badawi" was childish act for me anyway while mentioning desert arabs in Quran. It is not case of that I'm used words of "badawi" or "badoui". Meaning of "jarring in absence", "Don't talk me like that when I'm not here" is it not? Then, what have I do for claiming you to acting as a child?

                                  I understand you are not fluent in English. The group of people that will meet an awful doom at that time in those verses were Pharaoh and the people of Pharaoh, those who worshipped him as god. Also there are many other groups of people and individuals that the same applies to according to Quran. The verse in question here was referring to this particular Pharaoh at the time of Moses and not all Pharaoh as a group of people.

                                  I'm agree on that God is calling a particular person to most awful doom in 4046. This is the way of I'm trying to tell you to Fraun is name of a particular person.

                                  The Fire; they are exposed to it morning and evening; and on the day when the Hour upriseth (it is said) Cause Pharaoh's folk to enter the most awful doom.

                                  God orders here in Judgement Day. Then, If Pharaoh is a title, all pharaohs (Egyptian Kings) should be there. Then calling someone in Judgement Day as a title makes no sense. It is like "Cause king's folk to enter the most awful doom".

                                  Peace.

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                                    I'm sorry but mentioning hundreds of people those named "badawi" was childish act for me anyway while mentioning desert arabs in Quran. It is not case of that I'm used words of "badawi" or "badoui". Meaning of "jarring in absence", "Don't talk me like that when I'm not here" is it not? Then, what have I do for claiming you to acting as a child?
                                    i think we may have both got the wrong end of the stick because i have no idea what you are talking about.

                                    I'm agree on that God is calling a particular person to most awful doom in 4046. This is the way of I'm trying to tell you to Fraun is name of a particular person.

                                    The Fire; they are exposed to it morning and evening; and on the day when the Hour upriseth (it is said) Cause Pharaoh's folk to enter the most awful doom.

                                    God orders here in Judgement Day. Then, If Pharaoh is a title, all pharaohs (Egyptian Kings) should be there. Then calling someone in Judgement Day as a title makes no sense. It is like "Cause king's folk to enter the most awful doom".

                                    Peace.

                                    It makes sense if you see it properley as the Pharaoh at the time and the people at that time which is why i asked you about the desert arabs in the first place! Are ALL desert arabs the worst in hypocrisy NOW, have all of them ever been and does that verse refer to ALL of them for ever more?

                                    Pharaohs folk were the people at that time who worshipped Pharaoh!

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                                      Peace Ayisha and all,

                                      Like it or not this is about Egypt, Egypt played a huge part in all Gods books. Pharaoh is the king of Egypt and not someone from Arabia.

                                      I always have questions about why God send the earlier prophets to Egypt mostly, before Moses and the Torah.

                                      Have you heard and read Wayne Herschell, Ayisha? About Egypt and the ancient knowledge. Just don?t forget about God and the Book of Truth when you read them.

                                      http//www.thehiddenrecords.com/sphinx.htm

                                      There is also a Dr. Paul Laviolette, astrophysicist, developer of Subquantum Kinetics, who make use of the dendera zodiac disc in Hator, Egypt and the Tarot cards in his study of the cosmos? I find his theory predictions and their verification very much related to some of the verses in the Book of Truth.

                                      "He is the developer of subquantum kinetics, a novel approach to microphysics that accounts for electric, magnetic, gravitational, and nuclear forces in a unified manner and resolves many long-standing physics problems. Based on the predictions of this theory, he developed an alternative cosmology that effectively replaces the big bang theory."

                                      http//www.topsecrettestimony.com/Witnesses/AllWitnesses/DrPaulLaViolette/tabid/259/Default.aspx

                                      http//www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html

                                      Tell me what you think about these two people, if you find their works to have any relations to the Book of Truth.

                                      Peace peace
                                      tauhid101

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                                        Peace Ayisha and all,

                                        I always have questions about why God send the earlier prophets to Egypt mostly, before Moses and the Torah.

                                        Have you heard and read Wayne Herschell, Ayisha? About Egypt and the ancient knowledge. Just don?t forget about God and the Book of Truth when you read them.

                                        http//www.thehiddenrecords.com/sphinx.htm

                                        There is also a Dr. Paul Laviolette, astrophysicist, developer of Subquantum Kinetics, who make use of the dendera zodiac disc in Hator, Egypt and the Tarot cards in his study of the cosmos? I find his theory predictions and their verification very much related to some of the verses in the Book of Truth.

                                        "He is the developer of subquantum kinetics, a novel approach to microphysics that accounts for electric, magnetic, gravitational, and nuclear forces in a unified manner and resolves many long-standing physics problems. Based on the predictions of this theory, he developed an alternative cosmology that effectively replaces the big bang theory."

                                        http//www.topsecrettestimony.com/Witnesses/AllWitnesses/DrPaulLaViolette/tabid/259/Default.aspx

                                        http//www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html

                                        Tell me what you think about these two people, if you find their works to have any relations to the Book of Truth.

                                        Peace peace
                                        tauhid101

                                        Thanks, will have a look at those. peace

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                                          Salam, Peace,

                                          first of all some background on the subject
                                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598577.0

                                          My research

                                          Majority has conclude that Moses story with Fir3awn was the story of Pharao in Masr (Egypt).
                                          Because
                                          1- Biblical background
                                          2- Misr is known today and in early time as Egypt
                                          3- Pharao looks similar to Fir3awn

                                          Xerxes

                                          I strongly doubt this strory and as seen in the link some think it is Sargon. other Pharao and I think it is Xerxes (King of Persia) because
                                          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I_of_Persia

                                          Quran 8910
                                          And with Pharaoh, Lord of Stakes?

                                          Quran 3812
                                          Before them (were many who) rejected messengers, the People of Noah, and `Ad, and Pharaoh, the Lord of Stakes.

                                          God knows what a pyramid is and what a stake is!!!!

                                          please see persepolis stakes/pillars

                                          http//www.hansrossel.com/fotos/fotografie/iran/ir_d5.htm

                                          Also in Quran 6611 Fir3awn's wife submitted to God, in the Bible there is a legend about Xerses wife helping children of Israel, her name judaised name is Esther.

                                          But never found any story regarding Pharaoh's wife beeing submitted to God!!!

                                          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther

                                          6611
                                          And Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe, the wife of Pharaoh Behold she said "O my Lord! Build for me, in nearness to Thee, a mansion in the Garden, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings, and save me from those that do wrong";

                                          Haman

                                          Adding to that, this conversation between Fir3awn and Haman, in 2838 see also Quran 4024, 2939,

                                          2838
                                          Pharaoh said "O Chiefs! no god do I know for you but myself therefore, O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the god of Moses but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!"

                                          Haman in the Bible is a vizir of Xerxes
                                          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haman_(Bible)
                                          Jewish know well about him because it was one of the greatest persecutor they had "Haman and his wife Zeresh instigate a plot to kill all the Jews of ancient Persia"

                                          the official sunni version
                                          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haman_(Islam)

                                          and finally, a scientic point of vieu about Moses and Exodus

                                          • no trace of big jewish community under Pharao
                                          • no slavery under Pharao, people who build pyramids were free people
                                          • no writen trace about Moses story, strangely egyptians were writing all accounting stuff
                                          • to resume no archeological finding about hebrous in Egypt, only the Bible refer of it!!!
                                            please see the following article on wiki, sorry it is available only in french try some web translator
                                            http//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donn%C3%A9es_arch%C3%A9ologiques_sur_l%27Exode_et_Mo%C3%AFse

                                          This was initiated because of verse in 171

                                          argumenting that God's servant could be either Moses than Mohamed sws

                                          Glory to (Allah) Who did take His Servant for Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque whose precincts We did bless in order that We might show him some of Our Signs for He is the one Who heareth and seeth (all things).

                                          4423 about Moses

                                          The reply came "March forth with My servants by night for ye are sure to be pursued

                                          The same expression is used Isra.

                                          The pending question is if verse 171 talks about Moses, what is then the Sacred Mosque and the Farthest Mosque?

                                          Peace

                                          All the kings in Egypt are the prophets, all of them, history has been modified to change the future , byzoroastrians and by satanists allies

                                          Ra Msses is Moses
                                          Isis , was femisnised , for Isa , Maryamon, is miriam , horonetop is Haroun etc... the history of the prophets was twisted to make them look like a sufi religious rebels who were only bothering the people who were living good, with rituels.
                                          the last mesenger is the last King Horemheb , is Mohamed Twisted so no one will notice, u can see even the pictures of Mohamed in musuems with a twisted name, and the illuminati proud for making him one of their people while creating for us a personnage from the desert.
                                          Here you can see the picture of Mohamed, and how he looked like , translate from frensh, and you see the similarities, even though history of archeologists is twisted and innacurate, but the similarities are stricking,
                                          no parents, a sheperd when he was a kid, revolutionised the religion after people were lost in misery, made wars, lost one, had two wives, took over the power, became the general , and the ruler, and in his time Egypt get to the peak of civilisation, and the best is , he didn't have kids, and built a temple in medinet as a governement central etc... read it
                                          Hebreu language gave biirth to arabic language, it is the language of Bani Israel, when arabic started, meaning hebreu Evolved, that's all, modern hebreu is a fabrication. if you read them in arabic, they sound the same, and write the same, except switching one single letter. r b became b r
                                          Mecca is called in Egypt Malqata
                                          Yathrib is called in Egypt Athribis , noerth of malkata 300km
                                          Medina is called Medinet e first temple built by the first monotheist religion in Egypt, by Akhenaton , there is no P in egyptian, this name sound like Abraham The house that was built , called the temple of Aton, sounds like Adam, the quran say it's the first house in becca. the name was twisted to "karnak " the house built by Akhenaton didn't have a ceiling, the lat king of the synasty built the ceiling.

                                          The temple of solomon is the pyramid with the missing cap, they hid it from everyone just to keep out the history of the messengers
                                          the statues built for solomon are still standing, 46 meters high, plus the bassins mentioned in the quran.

                                          the queen of Sheeba came from the south, Sudan, and that was an extension of Egypt. and that was the land of the hijra of the companions of mohamed, they didn't cross thousands of KMs of the red sea, they walked there.

                                          The verse over it are 19 , is an image in the walls of Egypt with 19 angles over hell, and that image is also in the book of the dead, that is why allah said , this number is so people of the book will know this is from god.

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