Jilbab [Quran 33:59]
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As salaamu aleykum
You are not on the pad are you can use some softness as a woman..you are insulting other human because of you are talking rude,boorisch,onruspectful..
If this is your interpretation to be a good human and a muslim how you are acting..then astafar..
Also you are intolerant for other meanings..you are insulting me with a 3rd brain level but cna't give a wise and nice answer without to laugh with others,to insult them,to be cynical.
If I am truly an intolerant person, I would have cussed at you and stopped you from talking here. If you are a tolerant person, you would allow me to speak my views too insteaf of saying people with opposing views are intolerant.
Bravo honeybuch..you are the example of a free woman with "guts" if you wanted to proove this someone have to give you an applaus
Now again you are insulting your own gender. You said a woman who supports women living normally, dress modestly and normally without hiding in curtains are "free woman". Madam, I was not at all supporting prostitution. Unlike some of Sunni mullahs who JUSTIFY raping women who go out and do not wear burqa.
For me I like more softness than rudeness as a woman and alhamdullilah..to visit this site have a good side-effect..it makes me more solid in my deen and my beliefs..I feel that rude people can't have the truth and God only leads the nice-ones ,the ones who loves other people with their hart...people who are nice,cute and loving Allah ,they are the ones we have to follow,not the rude-ones who think they have the truth..
I am also so thankful to God the Lord that I am able to talk to a woman who herself wants to hide in purdah. It gives me a new experience? talking to a person who thinks only hiding women are cute, good, whilst women who work and dress normally are "free women".
People who respect each other regardless of genders are the ones who deserve respect. No the ones who equate the whole women's body with nudity / nakedness.
Of course people here love God. But loving God doesn't mean to live in puritanical lives like the TalibanThanks that God put you on my way so that I canlearn from your acts what a muslim not have to be..and thanks to guide me again on the path..
I wish that Allah will guide you to the truth and let have respect for other opinions because rudeness is a sin
Making mullahs as lords is a very big sins. Sunni insane mullahs also don't respect people. For example in Saudi Arabia there was a case? a woman who was gang raped was punished by 200 lashes and put to prison.
Okay lady sorry for being rude. You are the only one that goes to paradise while others will go to hell, right? You are the one that are nice, guided whilst everyone is musguided, huh?
You don't have any points to prove your arguments. You only use ad hominem attack against me (i.e. " you are rude" etc etc etc). You totally ignore everything I said and stubbornly keep insisting how women must hide themselves to look 'respectful'.
I also wish that God will guide you from Mullahs such as Sheikh al Munajid.
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As salaamu aleykum
I can't believe my eyes what I read from some members here.
Please..pray for the sake of your soul.
In the holy quran is written somewhere..do they believe that we will treat the misguided like the moetaqoen.;what's wrong with them..yes what is wrong with them?
If for some members everything is allowed,why there would be need for any guidance..and the people finds themselfs selfsufficient (they think they don't need anyone and know everything with their own brains and own hands..but BE CAREFULL..only God is the provider and only by his rules and his commands a soul will be saved by the punishement of hell or maybe they even don't believe in hell..and yes..what's wrong with them shalla we treat the misguided like the moetaqoen..
Yes, we pray. We pray that mullahs will stop brainwashing women to feel like their who body is nudity / nakedness. We pray that people who call themselves Muslims will leave their man-made sects (Salafi Sunni, Shafi'i Sunni, Hanafi Sunni, Deobandi Sunni, Twelver Shi'a, Zaidiya Shi'a etc) and serve GOD alone and believe the Qur'an without the manipulations of extra-Quranic texts such as man-made hadiths that support sex with female captives.
Who says people here don't want to obey God? Are you equating God with mullahs that want to see women with black curtains? Who says everything is allowed? Of course rapists, robbers, murderers, terrorists, paedophiles and other criminals deserve severe punishment. Of course prostitution is wrong and baring chests for women.is wrong. Who says these immoral things are right?
Because we do not support women to hide in purdah, we want everything to be allowed? ? ? ? Who says this? I don't understand why some people equate women dressing normally to severe crimes such as paedophilia and murder!You said "the door of ijtihad is closed"
Do you know why Europeans lived in Dark Ages hundreds of years ago? Because they were oppressed by Church ministers, priests and popes and were not allowed to use their own ijtihad. They were so ignorant at that time.In the Qur'an, God also CONDEMNS those who do not use their brains to think.
People here follow GOD alone. That's why the introduction of free minds is Islam based on GOD ALONE. We do not follow man-made teachings that are sexist, misogynist, abusing children, supporting paedophilia, supporting terrorism, supporting sex-slavery like some denominations.
You are surprised by some posts?
Why would you be surprised by posts that are supporting men and women to live normally with EQUAL RESPECT? Please stop equating women dressing normally and modestly to prostitution. If you want to hide behind the purdah, well, that's your choice but do not insert the mullah-made religions into God's deen. Do not make the purdah as compulsory because God is not evil to make women as shameful creature that must be covered because every part of women is nakedness / nudity. God is not like that. Our Lord is God. Mullahs are not our lords.Most of your posts are based on brainwashed minds that women must hide themselves.
I am sorry if this post makes you think I am being rude. But you are also being rude by saying that we are like those who are misguided because we don't support burqa.
Women are humans. Women should not expose themselves like gold exhibitions because women are not objects. Women also should not hide themselves because women are not "precious" objects that must be covered wholly and women's faces, hands, hair, ears, feet, elbows, necks are also not nudity /nakedness.
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I quoted this interesting story from this thread
Read with open mind and heart.Hello respected friends
I was thinking about to share my story since its little bit weired - When I was very young my parents admitted me in a wahabi madrassa-hostel in Pakistan, financially supported by someone in Saudi Arabia(So you might guess which kind of super-duper wahabism we are talking about).
There were many hundrede of these kinds of madrassas, most of them supported by some wahabis from Saudi Arabia. In my madrasa, all our books and even the Quran translation in Pashto and Urdu was from Riyadh.
Anyway, these madrasa-hostels were places were we youngsters used to live - only friday or every second weekend were we allowed to visit our family back home. Since I was in the girl section, my teacher was the wife of the mullah who owned the madrassa - she was a very kind woman of the age of 55 while the mullah was around 65.
We used to sit on the floor always - that was sunnah in contradiction to the western shaitaani habits of sitting on chairs. We used to read the quran many hours every day in pashtu and urdu translation and after almost every secons verse we were taught the meaning of the verses from tafseer and hadith, especially Ibn Kathir and Bukhari + we had to listen to what some wahabi mullahs in Saudi Arabia said.
I think they did not wanted us to reach 'a haram conclusion' from reading the quran so we were constantly fed up by heavy tafsir books and hadith books and always taught not to think but just to go and check up what ibn kathir or bukhari says about it - and after a while we students actually began to like it since we were brainwashed with not to think own brains, so finding explanations from the tafsir and hadith books(no matter how weired they may sound) was a sort of releif for us which helped us to escape from the unbearable task of using our own brain cells.
Sometimes I spotted my teacher crying in secret, and when I approached her she told me that her husband(the mullah of the masjid) just recently came home with a teenage wife of the age of 18! (The mullah is about 65 and his first wife, my teacher was 55). He said the reason was that he was no longer satisfied with her since she had grew old with the time and had wrinkles, hence he wanted a young wife who could satisfy him sexually. My teacher made me promise her that I would not reveal to anyone how hurted she was, because as the wife of a respected mullah she should know that having multiple wives is Sunnah and her grieving could be interpreted as an objection which she according to sunnah had no rights to.
But what could I or properly any other girls in the madrasa in order to help her? We were all strictly brainwashed to hate our own gender - we were made to believe that in Islam the feelings or desires of a woman does not mean anything, and even giving attention to the feelings of a woman is very dangerous - because hence you would question the basic rights granted to men for centuries like polygyny, sex slavery, wife-beating etc. etc. and of course no one wanted to take these rights away from men, hence it was important to brainwash us young female muslim girls to ''forget'' our own desires, wishes and feelings and in stead we should only think about how to satisfy our male family members. Our own right was only limited to being fed up and clothing.Anyway, when I graduated from the madrasa at the age of 16 I went back home as a totally different person. I began to wear Niqaab and gloves and I broke all the televisions in the home because it was the instrument of satan as we were told in the madrasa. I also broke our computer. I drove my parents compleatly crazy and in the end they prohibited me from being alone home because they did not knew what I would broke next time. Than I began to treat my mother with lashes if she did not began to wear niqaab like me. My mother became so shocked that she slapt me and realized that it was a big mistake to admit me in that madrasa. But the damage was done. The next monthes were spend on holding sunnah dawah - calling people to the sunnah of the prophet and his companions and - of course - beating my female cousins when they refused to wear niqaab and threatning my male cousins with hell because they were not beard. My uncle and aunts hence prohibited me from entering their homes since I was using violence in order to make them wahabis like myself. And the only answer I had to my uncles and aunts prohibition was ''Allah hu akbar''. I mean, the prophet himself said in a hadith that if a kid does not offer salah and he reaches the age of 7 then we should beat him untill he prays. So whats wrong in using violence if that can lead people to Jannah? And of course - my biggest enemies were the shiites. They were saying crap about the companions - astaghfirullah - as I thought.
But the turning point came after some years. Once I was walking beside my old madrasa, who gave me the hadaya as I thought - I became shocked when I saw several police cars standing outside the madrasa. I waited for a while in order to figure out what was happening, and I suddenly saw the police coming out from the Madrasa with the Mullah and 3-4 saudi men! The Mullah and the saudi men were looking terrible embarrassed and the police kept beating them on the way to their car. I asked one of the police man what happened, and he told me that the police have found evidence for that the mullah and the saudi men have sexually misused male children in the boys section of the madrasa!!! I was compleatly shocked!
the next weeks I isolated myself and was crying all the time because I was so shattered. I could not understand how our mullah could do that. I mean - he prayed 20 times each day, had beard and everything so how could he do it? I cried and asked God for help. And After some time I began to ask my self, that maybe it is not the appereance or the rituals who makes a person a true muslim but rather it was maybe something inside the heart which made a muslim a true muslim? Was all my focus on niqaab, gloves, beard, namaaz(salah), and all that unnecessary?
Finally I told myself that I would review my deen, and begin to read all the hadith and quran from an objective view, and I did that and found many many nonsense in the bukhari and sahih muslim and I was very shocked for why I did not gave any attention to all that nonsense in bukhari. Hence I left Islam, took my niqaab off(even my parents was shocked by my turning point) and became an atheist for some few days untill I unexpectly began to be familiar with muslims who reject the Hadith. I never heard about them before as I always thought that hadith and Quran is the same, but for the first time I realized the difference. And that led me to this page also, And all Praise to Allah who guided me and showed me the way to know him by Quran Only.Thank you friend for reading my story. God bless you all.
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I quoted this interesting story from this thread
Read with open mind and heart.Hello respected friends
I was thinking about to share my story since its little bit weired - When I was very young my parents admitted me in a wahabi madrassa-hostel in Pakistan, financially supported by someone in Saudi Arabia(So you might guess which kind of super-duper wahabism we are talking about).
There were many hundrede of these kinds of madrassas, most of them supported by some wahabis from Saudi Arabia. In my madrasa, all our books and even the Quran translation in Pashto and Urdu was from Riyadh.
Anyway, these madrasa-hostels were places were we youngsters used to live - only friday or every second weekend were we allowed to visit our family back home. Since I was in the girl section, my teacher was the wife of the mullah who owned the madrassa - she was a very kind woman of the age of 55 while the mullah was around 65.
We used to sit on the floor always - that was sunnah in contradiction to the western shaitaani habits of sitting on chairs. We used to read the quran many hours every day in pashtu and urdu translation and after almost every secons verse we were taught the meaning of the verses from tafseer and hadith, especially Ibn Kathir and Bukhari + we had to listen to what some wahabi mullahs in Saudi Arabia said.
I think they did not wanted us to reach 'a haram conclusion' from reading the quran so we were constantly fed up by heavy tafsir books and hadith books and always taught not to think but just to go and check up what ibn kathir or bukhari says about it - and after a while we students actually began to like it since we were brainwashed with not to think own brains, so finding explanations from the tafsir and hadith books(no matter how weired they may sound) was a sort of releif for us which helped us to escape from the unbearable task of using our own brain cells.
Sometimes I spotted my teacher crying in secret, and when I approached her she told me that her husband(the mullah of the masjid) just recently came home with a teenage wife of the age of 18! (The mullah is about 65 and his first wife, my teacher was 55). He said the reason was that he was no longer satisfied with her since she had grew old with the time and had wrinkles, hence he wanted a young wife who could satisfy him sexually. My teacher made me promise her that I would not reveal to anyone how hurted she was, because as the wife of a respected mullah she should know that having multiple wives is Sunnah and her grieving could be interpreted as an objection which she according to sunnah had no rights to.
But what could I or properly any other girls in the madrasa in order to help her? We were all strictly brainwashed to hate our own gender - we were made to believe that in Islam the feelings or desires of a woman does not mean anything, and even giving attention to the feelings of a woman is very dangerous - because hence you would question the basic rights granted to men for centuries like polygyny, sex slavery, wife-beating etc. etc. and of course no one wanted to take these rights away from men, hence it was important to brainwash us young female muslim girls to ''forget'' our own desires, wishes and feelings and in stead we should only think about how to satisfy our male family members. Our own right was only limited to being fed up and clothing.Anyway, when I graduated from the madrasa at the age of 16 I went back home as a totally different person. I began to wear Niqaab and gloves and I broke all the televisions in the home because it was the instrument of satan as we were told in the madrasa. I also broke our computer. I drove my parents compleatly crazy and in the end they prohibited me from being alone home because they did not knew what I would broke next time. Than I began to treat my mother with lashes if she did not began to wear niqaab like me. My mother became so shocked that she slapt me and realized that it was a big mistake to admit me in that madrasa. But the damage was done. The next monthes were spend on holding sunnah dawah - calling people to the sunnah of the prophet and his companions and - of course - beating my female cousins when they refused to wear niqaab and threatning my male cousins with hell because they were not beard. My uncle and aunts hence prohibited me from entering their homes since I was using violence in order to make them wahabis like myself. And the only answer I had to my uncles and aunts prohibition was ''Allah hu akbar''. I mean, the prophet himself said in a hadith that if a kid does not offer salah and he reaches the age of 7 then we should beat him untill he prays. So whats wrong in using violence if that can lead people to Jannah? And of course - my biggest enemies were the shiites. They were saying crap about the companions - astaghfirullah - as I thought.
But the turning point came after some years. Once I was walking beside my old madrasa, who gave me the hadaya as I thought - I became shocked when I saw several police cars standing outside the madrasa. I waited for a while in order to figure out what was happening, and I suddenly saw the police coming out from the Madrasa with the Mullah and 3-4 saudi men! The Mullah and the saudi men were looking terrible embarrassed and the police kept beating them on the way to their car. I asked one of the police man what happened, and he told me that the police have found evidence for that the mullah and the saudi men have sexually misused male children in the boys section of the madrasa!!! I was compleatly shocked!
the next weeks I isolated myself and was crying all the time because I was so shattered. I could not understand how our mullah could do that. I mean - he prayed 20 times each day, had beard and everything so how could he do it? I cried and asked God for help. And After some time I began to ask my self, that maybe it is not the appereance or the rituals who makes a person a true muslim but rather it was maybe something inside the heart which made a muslim a true muslim? Was all my focus on niqaab, gloves, beard, namaaz(salah), and all that unnecessary?
Finally I told myself that I would review my deen, and begin to read all the hadith and quran from an objective view, and I did that and found many many nonsense in the bukhari and sahih muslim and I was very shocked for why I did not gave any attention to all that nonsense in bukhari. Hence I left Islam, took my niqaab off(even my parents was shocked by my turning point) and became an atheist for some few days untill I unexpectly began to be familiar with muslims who reject the Hadith. I never heard about them before as I always thought that hadith and Quran is the same, but for the first time I realized the difference. And that led me to this page also, And all Praise to Allah who guided me and showed me the way to know him by Quran Only.Thank you friend for reading my story. God bless you all.
Good idea, Yuliana. Thank you!
Peace.
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There is, I think, an error on readint aya 24.31. People usualy talk about what must be covered and what does not have to be covered and run into problems, because in fact that aya dowes not talk about covering, except when it mentions trowing a cover on the breasts. It speaks about making an exhibition, "la yubdina". It does not say that something should not be seen but rather that no exhibition, no showing off should be made of anything, just what is apparent. It is very clear No need to hide hips or legs or anything, simply do not make a shopwindow of yourself. We all know the difference and we know it very well if we simply muve and dress purposefully for ordinary life, or whether we want to call attention. I just find hard to believe that of such a plain a common sense command so many difficulties and complications have been extracted. And can only explain it by the fixed idea that for women dressing and behaving ordinarily is nto good, things must be far more complicated in order to be right. Why? Aya 24.31 is not to tell what to keep covered and what not, it does not care.
Salaam
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Salaam
About female beauty, maybe this thread help you
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605748.0
Peace
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There are posts which I should ignore, if I pay attention to them, then I would be confused. The way I think is quite simple. peace
Salam
It is "simple" to simply deny that other religions are also "practising justices"?
It is "simple" to simply deny that what we are practising is similar to Sunni, Shia, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and all other religious practices?
What about that is justly balanced in the Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc ?
Should we oppose or against these elements?
In certain aspects, we are also no difference to them.
no "religion" has a monopoly on truth and believe it or not, we are all those things, at one time or another.
It is hasty generalization.. religion and sectarianism.
Peace peace
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Peace, brother muslims.
Ok. I'm not going to take your bait. You are free to think whatever about me.
I hope you understand that I'm not a native English speaker.
It could be, without aware of, I use words or sentences which seemed strange for those who fluent in English.
In Indonesian, this is what I mean,
Cara berpikir saya cukup sederhana.
Pada dasarnya, saya tidak terlalu suka berpikir rumit.
Kalau tidak salah, anda adalah orang Malaysia, jadi mudah-mudahan anda bisa mengerti.
Salaam.
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In Indonesian, this is what I mean,
Cara berpikir saya cukup sederhana.
Salam
Understood.. and me too ...
simple thinking..
"JUST" or "UNJUST"..
whatever religions or religious practices they are.
I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!!
proof...
originally, hindu temple or mosque?
Sunan Kudus Mosque, Indonesia
http//wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/e/e1/Menara_Kudus.jpeg/250px-Menara_Kudus.jpeg
Rantau Panjang Mosque, Malaysia
http//mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/30265166.jpg
Peace. peace
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I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!! )
Bold Oh. Wow. ??? Ok. Silakan saja.
Peace.
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Bold Oh. Wow. ??? Ok. Silakan saja.
Salam
Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.
I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!
Thank you. sun
The Qur'an confirms other books, including hadith and other religious or man made books etc.
Look for similarities
to unite the society
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They are free to
practice their deen (way of life)
(unconditional freedom)
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(Fire/Air/Water/Earth) -> Confirmed by the Qur'an as..
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+--> Torah ----------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity+-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Injeel ---------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity+-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Hadith --------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity+-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Sunni ----------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Shia ------------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Khawarij ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Buddhism -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Confucianism +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Hinduism ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Zoroastrianism +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
Qur'an +--> Scientology +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity
Confirming --->| Texts |
Book | +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity
(Justly |
Balanced) |
+--> Atheism -------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityText/Laws +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Man made ----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityLaws +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Company -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityLaws +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Satanism -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTexts +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Mathematics -+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Sciences ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Geography ---+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Economy ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Accounting ---+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Computer -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> Political --------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
+--> and so on -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanityTheory/Books +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity |
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and so oncomparison...
Sectarianism is
bigotry
discrimination
or hatredarising from
attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group
such as between different denominations of (making judgement based on group/sect/religion
a religion and not just or unjust; justly balanced)
class
regional
or factions of a political movementand
Religion/ Sectarianism (Hasty Generalization) vs. Justly Balanced
For you is your deen
(War Zone - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">God Alone</a> - Right vs. Wrong) - SECTARIANISM
and
For me is my deen
(Unity - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">Prostrate to Adam</a> - All from Allah and "I Submit" - JUSTLY BALANCED
(<a href="http//quran.com/109/6">1096</a>http//s23.postimg.org/ifq2vi2rv/warzone.png
Justly balanced depends on situation..
It is neither good, nor evil.. it is balanced between good and evil
With the sole purpose to achieve "Justice" .. justice both to the good and evil, acceptance by both parties!
Therefore, those who bring justice and minimizing the corruptions on earth, are the successors
and.. the good or evil is for followers, blind followers...
To bring justice, it requires thinking and wisdom, 100% free from Shirk
Therefore... it requires 100% reliance to Allah, the main source, and not reliance on self or some mathematical coding.
He grants wisdom to whom He pleases
and whoever is granted wisdom
he indeed is given a great good
and none but men of understanding mind
(2269)A muslim is an upright man... and with no religion!
Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
nor a Christian http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
are those
who followed him
and this Prophet
and those who believe
and Allah is the guardian of the believers <- an upright man, with no religion
(367-68)And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam <- Religion of Islam vs. Deen of Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)Islam is not a religion (madhab), and it has never been described as one in the Quran
Peace
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As salaamu aleykum sister
I didn't want to be unpolite but I want to show that the way you tell something to someone have a greater impact than the things you are telling..that's why I like you to understand that you don't have to be angry on people because with nice words and patience you will certainly achieve your goals.
I want to tell something about the story (sister diamondhoneybunch put a quote)
This story means just that there are everywhere bad people with bad influences even when they pray or wear niqab,they are misguided.;the niqab don't work when the hart is not pure.
But it also doesn't mean that with a good intention and a good heart we are pleasing God..it needs more than a good hart because there are also rules that we have to follow..
Look meat eaters are telling in Belgium don't have to cut sheep by throatcutting because it is painfull..even vegetarians don't want to eat meat at all because they don't want that animals feel pain and are just living to eat..but they forget that is not possible in the creation of Allah to be a vegetarian because it have to be (truth)because I never see all the life that lions and sheep are eating a vegetarian salat with each other..God created the lions as predators..to kill an animal for is meat is the creation of God..
And that is the same what I want to explain..some things we don't like even when they are good for us..even when it make no sense..when the message didn't came ever on earth then every lovely person with good intentionswas still eating porc meat.
And just tell me how we feel with hart that we can't eat porc..no we can't..that's why only good intentions for clothing is not enough..we have to respect also the rules who are written in the Quran..alhamdullilahRules and hart (good intentions) = the only way to follow..the one can't stand without the other..
That's why I don't believe only in a nice heart because everyone want to do nice fro others in some kind of way..BUT
I didn't came on this website to convince someone of my truth/opinion or to put my thoughts on others..I wanted just to find out about my hypothesis (for people who belief that there is a clothingrule)that it could be that the covering was a cloack and I find many intresting answers..
One answer that the jilbab could be a "person" I find a strong interpretation but on the other way I don't get why only woman are addressed with this clothe or this person?
When it was for not to offend a minoraty on this time why only woman was ment?
It would ment that woman can't go outside alone without a person on this time..it looks like an imrisonnement for woman more than they can go out byself with their burqa where they like to go..
So untill now I have a lot of work to do to find answers..insh'Allah by the help of God and his creations,will find the truth -
As salaamu aleykum sister
I didn't want to be unpolite but I want to show that the way you tell something to someone have a greater impact than the things you are telling..that's why I like you to understand that you don't have to be angry on people because with nice words and patience you will certainly achieve your goals.
I want to tell something about the story (sister diamondhoneybunch put a quote)
This story means just that there are everywhere bad people with bad influences even when they pray or wear niqab,they are misguided.;the niqab don't work when the hart is not pure.
But it also doesn't mean that with a good intention and a good heart we are pleasing God..it needs more than a good hart because there are also rules that we have to follow..
Look meat eaters are telling in Belgium don't have to cut sheep by throatcutting because it is painfull..even vegetarians don't want to eat meat at all because they don't want that animals feel pain and are just living to eat..but they forget that is not possible in the creation of Allah to be a vegetarian because it have to be (truth)because I never see all the life that lions and sheep are eating a vegetarian salat with each other..God created the lions as predators..to kill an animal for is meat is the creation of God..
And that is the same what I want to explain..some things we don't like even when they are good for us..even when it make no sense..when the message didn't came ever on earth then every lovely person with good intentionswas still eating porc meat.
And just tell me how we feel with hart that we can't eat porc..no we can't..that's why only good intentions for clothing is not enough..we have to respect also the rules who are written in the Quran..alhamdullilahRules and hart (good intentions) = the only way to follow..the one can't stand without the other..
That's why I don't believe only in a nice heart because everyone want to do nice fro others in some kind of way..BUT
I didn't came on this website to convince someone of my truth/opinion or to put my thoughts on others..I wanted just to find out about my hypothesis (for people who belief that there is a clothingrule)that it could be that the covering was a cloack and I find many intresting answers..
One answer that the jilbab could be a "person" I find a strong interpretation but on the other way I don't get why only woman are addressed with this clothe or this person?
When it was for not to offend a minoraty on this time why only woman was ment?
It would ment that woman can't go outside alone without a person on this time..it looks like an imrisonnement for woman more than they can go out byself with their burqa where they like to go..
So untill now I have a lot of work to do to find answers..insh'Allah by the help of God and his creations,will find the truthI posted the story not because I wanted to show that all Sunnis are badasses but I wanted to show you how this type of brainswashing works.
Since kids, those Sunnis were taught by their teachers that women are awrat (means nudity, nakedness, indecency, shame) so women must wrap themselves in black tents to honor their shamefulness since they themselves are nudity.
They were also taught that women must just sit at home, less rights whereas men have so many rights. They are brainwashed by making them believe that women are the caused of fitna (slander) so women must be confined at home or wrap themselves with tents when they go out.The best place to brainswash is school and the right time is during childhood. I go to school and I know how students here are brainwashed during "Islamic" educations.
I was not as angry as when you said that I am "free woman with guts". I just felt insulted by your posts saying that I am a "free woman with guts" just because I am against gender apartheid.
If you want people to respect you, the first thing is respect yourself. I know most of your posts sound polite but you disrespected female gender by saying that women's hands are also nakedness / nudity. You insulted both genders by saying "women are beautiful. Men can't resist women's beauty". You insulted men by saying that men can't resist women and you insulted women by saying that the whole woman's body can arouse men.
Purdah or burka have nothing to do with modesty. I can take toilet papers and wrap myself with all of them. I have seen many buqais behave rudely.
You said women must be "soft" by covering themselves. Ugh! You mean women must be PASSIVE in order to be polite? Both men and women have to be polite but do not be mistaken or confused politeness with passivity.
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I posted the story not because I wanted to show that all Sunnis are badasses but I wanted to show you how this type of brainswashing works.
Since kids, those Sunnis were taught by their teachers that women are awrat (means nudity, nakedness, indecency, shame) so women must wrap themselves in black tents to honor their shamefulness since they themselves are nudity.
They were also taught that women must just sit at home, less rights whereas men have so many rights. They are brainwashed by making them believe that women are the caused of fitna (slander) so women must be confined at home or wrap themselves with tents when they go out.The best place to brainswash is school and the right time is during childhood. I go to school and I know how students here are brainwashed during "Islamic" educations.
I was not as angry as when you said that I am "free woman with guts". I just felt insulted by your posts saying that I am a "free woman with guts" just because I am against gender apartheid.
If you want people to respect you, the first thing is respect yourself. I know most of your posts sound polite but you disrespected female gender by saying that women's hands are also nakedness / nudity. You insulted both genders by saying "women are beautiful. Men can't resist women's beauty". You insulted men by saying that men can't resist women and you insulted women by saying that the whole woman's body can arouse men.
Purdah or burka have nothing to do with modesty. I can take toilet papers and wrap myself with all of them. I have seen many buqais behave rudely.
You said women must be "soft" by covering themselves. Ugh! You mean women must be PASSIVE in order to be polite? Both men and women have to be polite but do not be mistaken or confused politeness with passivity.
I agree with diamantine... in that with a lot of "softness" you can badmouth the holiest, let alone anybody which you consider that you can trample on with impunity.
I find that the posts of mamnoe... contain a lot of assertions or chlish?es that may be true for her, but although she does not seem to say that that is the way every woman should be, she in some way gives to understand that all women, if they were not conditioned-perverted-forced by the permissive environment would be the natural way for a woman, that is, shy. Why should a woman be shy by the mere fact of being a woman I can only understand if she is used to be ovvertrampled by men for that reason. She guards herself because there is a danger. If there is no danger, where is the virtue of shyness?
Those kinds of assertions give an image which may be true, but actually it is very damning of the male part of the purported muslims societies, something not surprising at all on the other hand. And how does a faceveil cure shyness I really can't see. What I can see it does is impunity. Nobody knows you, you can do whatever you want, or hide whatever you want of your expressions and actions and therefore you feel safe. But then, if what you do is innocent, why should you be in danger because of being amongst a mixed crowd. Many in the crowd are also women who do not cover their faces. It is damned uncomfortable to be addressed by someone who can see you but you cannot see, I tell you. That way of protecting shyness for me is pure impoliteness. But the fashion of the veil or whatever is so implanted now that no even being impolite will keep the fashion followers from hiding behind a cloth. I do not mean to say that the ladies want to be unpolite, I don't think that they are in general, I think they are rather satisfied with themselves and with the attention they get, but again, I feel like hiding behind a cloth when i talk to one of them and take the cloth off when I am done. Of course I do not do that, but I still think it is impolite. And it is not less impolite if they address a man who himself does not hide. Sincerely, I respect anybody's will to dress in whichever way he or she fancies, but compliments for the fashion of hiding behind a veil when addressing people, I cannot give. I find it detrimental to communication and lacking in consideration to other women and also to men with whom they may talk. Of course I assume that men themselves are behaving politely, if they are not, then the solution is not for women to hide, but for those men to be curtailed in their social activity where they offend others.
And a woman who is not shy is not a little bit less of a woman than a woman who is shy. Shyness may be a trait of character, in male or female, but it is not a virtue and a woman who is shy is not even a little bit better than a woman who isn't shy. God does not promise a reward for shyness or for hiding oneself under clothes. That kind of talk seems to be extracted form some XIX century European novel, where it is ladylike to faint even, not from reality.
Salaam
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?Indeed from the teachings of the first prophets which has reached you is, ?If you do not have shyness, then do as you please.?
Indeed, the Qur?an states, ?For man was created weak.?
I do believe that woman are soft harted when they are not brainwashed because of the modern secular mind.
Many woman wants to clothe them in an attractice way because they are grown up by this world and habbits..when they are shy as a child they are told that they are prudish and they have to loose this crying and soft hartness and there shyness is seen as a weakness and treath..
That's why most of the woman want to show themselves as strong and powerfull..a sexy image to gain more respect..they show what they are not..soft harted creatures with both qualities..hard and rough to survive and to gain respect,soft-harted that can quiqly be trampled on..because of the pervers situtaion and unnatural behaviour from people,woman are the prisoners from their own struggle to hide their softeness..
When they see this truth and they can accept also their "softness and shyness,modesty" then they can be free of the slavery of fakeness
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You again are equating modesty with burqa, aren't you?
I didn't say being shameless. Being shy means being shy from doing bad things such as raping, murdering etc. Being shy does not mean being passive.
No one on here wants to see women wear sexy clothes. I am actually tired of brainwashed burqa lovers keep bragging about the sexy immodest women out there to make comparisons between non-burqais and burqais and justify the goodness of burqas.
See the verse you shared? Does it say women only that must be shy and to be shy is to hide in burqa and to be confined at home? No! The verse is to all humans not to females only.
Women in hedonistic culture are brainwashed that to be beautiful is to show and sell their bodies.
Women in barbaric and sexist culture are brainwashed to hide themselves in tents or confine themselves in houses by making them believe that women are nudity, nakedness, shameful so they must cover like ghosts to 'honor' themselves. They are also brainwashed by making them believe that women must be modest so to be modest is to hide themselves in tents.
Anyways can you tell me where are you from? Are you a convert or you were born Muslim? I don't think you are an Arab because you said you don't understand Arabic. Are you Afghan?
And only women are to be shy, soft-hearted blablabla whereas men have so much freedom? What kind of gender apartheid is this? A type of brainwashing done by Sunnis / Shias.
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Salaam
?Indeed from the teachings of the first prophets which has reached you is, ?If you do not have shyness, then do as you please.?
What the first prophets teach to us??
Peace
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Peace,
A woman in a modest dress in a professional situation is the one who will gain the most respect I think. And then I mean modest as in what is neutral in the setting and not something that screams for attention.
God bless you
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I am quite tired of this 'softness & shyness' thingy because you keep saying these words over and over again, mamnoeoea.
I'm kind of worry if you also share this 'lessons of softness' to females around you, such as your younger sisters (if you have).
I'm curious who have instilled this in you so deep, and why you keep letting them do that to you?
If you do not have shyness, then do as you please.
That is hadith... Apparently, you are quite fascinated by hadith.
Be wary of hadiths that sounds 'nice', 'sweet', or 'good'.
After my turning point, I left hadith and scholar's opinions, and to search for truth I choose to focus on God and the Qur'an, and I realize that 'looking good' hadiths can also have elements of deception.
I decide to left all hadiths, as I think none of them will useful for my salvation, Qur'an contains so much better lessons and reliable guide.
I learn that I should let myself be brainwashed by God. Only God alone Who I let to brainwash me, because I believe truth (the real truth, not the fake ones) comes from God, The Creator.
Have you ever learned/examined hadiths about hoors in Jannah? Don't you feel disgusted with what they describe?
Those hadiths use very inappropriate words describing Jannah as the place of legal prostitution. Is that in line with shyness? nope
It is hard to believe those shameful words truly came from the messenger of God. And how is it possible God allow such lewdness rampant in Jannah.
From the Qur'an, I find that Prophet conveyed God's message in respectable and educated manner.
I don't want to force you to leave the hadith, but I really suggest you to think and ponder.
Perhaps you should read sahih hadiths as much as you can, check them carefully, ponder, think carefully whether they really fit with the Qur'an.
When I still believe in them, the more I knew hadiths, the more I felt uncomfortable.