Quran only mistakes
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Honestly, Sincerely, I am a sunnit, always undertand the quran through hadith , well i never been a scholar or a religious person, so i always follow and never did a research by myself, but than i started reading and understanding what 's really in the quran, did search from indian sites, some smart people i guess, some ather quran websites, forums.... i feel like the only way someone b a true muslim is to abandon all sunnah of mohamed wich is transmitted to us through some unknown people, and follow the real mohamed sunnah , wich is transmitted by the most trustworthy person in our history, that is again mohamed, his true message , his true sunnah is the sunnah of allah,
I really start to believe and start to feel is when i read the story of prophet mohamed, i feel he's the highest rank person in morals through the quran, someone sent me the life story of mohamed and his sunnah from the quran only, wow, i feel he's a saint, and a great man, no one was greater than mohamed when i realised that his words were the quran, can u imagine? compared to hadith
i believe in we must folow Mohamed is follow his words wich are the quran
i see many verses starts with say ..... that is words allah taught his prophet to speak with , so mohamed was speaking the quran, meaning no one in the human history spoke better words than mohamed, maybe some spoke like him for they get their words from the same source wivh is ALLAH,One more thing that really surprised me as a sunni and in the same times pleased me, the prophet only proven through the quran that he married twice and after that it was forbidden for him to get married again
it always bothered me about why did prophet mohamed violated the quran and get married 12 times, ofcourse i always get an answer with excuses for he's the prophet not like us, but this answer never convinced me for we have to follow his sunna, thank u allah for shwing me that this was just a lie against our holy prophet
one guy here convinced me when he sais that 16 years when converted in minutes and divided on 600 000 hadith , makes 14 mn per hadith for bukhari to check the sanad, without sleep or time to eat or pray, i really feel that bukhari and ibn kathir are dadjjals, they didn't insert all that crappy hadith inocently, i don't believe they were idiots, they knew what they were doing, antway, that"s it, salam
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Brothers, i am a sunni who love the idea of quran only, i tell u what theproblem is, my experience, when i was a little kid, i seen the story of isra and miradj as a part of my faith, 5 daily prayers are the foundation of islam and without it you go straight to hell, i learned the story of bukhari, and i always felt he's a saint, i always believed in miracles attributed to prophet mohamed, u know, a little kid kind of likes magic, i always thaught that the true life of mohamed is in the hadith and not in the quran, i always believed that allah loved mohamed so much that he puts his name beside his, i never thaught or had in mind that sunna is a sect, i always loved allah, i even blow kisses to him when i'm in private, so please, when someone grew up since childhood like this, it's not easy for him to see that most of it was false, not all of it, so if one speaks to a sunni, u guys must go easy for it's not easy to swallow all of it in the same time, I myself , took me time to realise, when, u guys speak to a sunni or shii or a jew or a christian, calll them brothers and don't call them mushriks , sunni and shi'a are the closest to quranists than jews and christians, remmeber that, after all , a sunni believe in allah , there's no partener with allah, and they believe that the quran is the word of allah with no doubt, the only think is that they need help to be shown the truth ,
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one guy here convinced me when he sais that 16 years when converted in minutes and divided on 600 000 hadith , makes 14 mn per hadith for bukhari to check the sanad, without sleep or time to eat or pray, i really feel that bukhari and ibn kathir are dadjjals, they didn't insert all that crappy hadith inocently, i don't believe they were idiots, they knew what they were doing, antway, that"s it, salam
rotfl rotfl
Will you please like to tell the name of that genius who convinced you. laugh
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Peace,
Respect.Loxbox13, with all due Respect.
Can you look at these in Arabic and let me know if the word hadeeth appears7185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative after this one will they believe?
316 And from the people, there are those who will purchase a baseless narrative with which to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and to make it a mockery. These will have a humiliating retribution.
3923 God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him.
456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?
5234 Let them produce a narrative like this, if they are truthful.
6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this narrative; We will entice them from where they do not perceive.
7750 So in what narrative, after it, will they believe?
How about these?
Do you judge with some other book, brother?
Do you have another book, besides Qur'an?6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have a book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?Did prophet/messenger of God, Mohammad, dared to say something else other then The Qur'an?
Let's see6940 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.
6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.
6942 Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed.
6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
6944 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.
6945 We would have seized him by the right.
6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line.
6947 None of you would be able to prevent it.Qur'an is FULLY DETAILED, according to God>>>>
6114 Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed? Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
Who made Qur'an CLEAR to all of us?
These verses speak about Book more then they speak about prophet/messenger Mohammad.413 A Book whose revelations are detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know.
432 And the clarifying Book.
442 And the clarifying Book.
No disrespect, brother.
Take care and God Bless you.
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who convinced me? i don't really know exactly who, but u think i don't have ears and intellect? i was fighting with myself a little , but at the end the intellect won i guess, well, u can be blind and don't see the truth, but than we u can see how long can u lie to yourself, i never been stuborn or extremist or a liar, specially lying about allah, at the end, all of u guys conviced me, u did some work on me, little by little, at the end u guys won, the good part in it is that i won too LOL thank u all
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Ok guys don't let anyone fool you , hadith is an arabic word that means " narrative " or " a saying"
like if i say in arabic to you " hadithni" means narrate to me or tell me or speak to me
hadathana means narrated to us or told us
but is the hadith bukhari means narrations of bukhari
so that word hadith in the quran always means narration or message or recitation, hadith of bukhari at the time of mohamed didn't exist
for example other hadiths beside the quran are the gospel, the torah, or any book after that like bukhari etc...
i honestly i find it hypocrit to try to translate the words of allah and not translate that word just to make it look like he's talking about bukhari, that's pure hypocrisy, so the translation as narration is perfect, do not defend truth with falshood, the argument of the quran in enaugh, dosn't need twisting the tongue to accuse others -
loxbox rotfl rotfl
Will you please like to tell the name of that genius who convinced you. laugh
I believe he is referring to the impossible mathematics of Bukhari
http//forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=11650You are right, according to traditional sources, he took 16 years to gather the ahadith and write them.
You as well as I know that he reportedly collected about 600 000 hadiths! See any site, for example, this one
http//www.uga.edu/islam/hadith.htmlDo the math!!
16 years = 8409600 minutes
This means even if you dont take any time out for eating, sleeping, toilet, travelling etc, that leaves 14 minutes to listen to, record and check the authenticity of each hadith!
I repeat 14 minutes per hadith !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mahatma Gandhi First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
True.
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It says "follow me" not "follow my alleged sunnah as written by Bukhari et al".
This issue has been discussed in perhaps hundreds of pages on the forum and in articles.
The expression signifies to follow his way, as elsewhere, it is mentioned in the Quraan
Say (O Prophet م "This is my path, I call to Allaah upon clear-sightedness, I, and whomsoever follows me."
So what is meant by following the Prophet is following of his way, i.e. following of his Sunnah or his Sabeel (path).
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Salaam,
The above verse of The Qur?aan you?ve quoted and all other similar verses commanding the believers to follow the messengers of GOD are all about the time when the messengers were alive and living, so the believers would be able to follow the tangible living messenger.
So you are saying that Allaah only sends a messenger to be followed while he is alive, by his contemporaries, but after he passes away, he is not to be followed any more?
Such a strange belief is contrary to what Allaah warned when He revealed the following
And Muhammad is no more than a Messenger. Many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels? And if any did turn back upon his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allaah, and Allaah will give reward to those who are grateful.
Now; can you tell me how am I to follow a dead messenger, especially after being dead for over 1400 years? Unless I actually die too, then I will truly be following him in his footsteps to his grave.
I already proved in my post prior to this that following the Messenger means following his path and his way
This means, we follow the Messenger's Sunnah that he left behind, his teachings and actions that he exemplified for us, as Allaah says
Indeed, you have in the Messenger of Allaah a good example for anyone who seeks Allaah and the Last Day, and remembers Allaah much.
Allaah says that anyone who is seeking to return to Him has the blessed example and model of His Messenger in front of him to emulate. Note that the verse does not restrict the following of this example only to the contemporaries of the Messenger of Allaah during his lifetime.
Verses 3531, 32 in The Qur?aan clearly inform us that we inherited nothing but The Qur?aan Alone for our religious guidance. The Prophet himself time and time again was commended to follow The Qur?aan only. See 650,106; 7203; 1015,109; 332; 4343; 499, and many more.
As has already been proven, the Quraan itself commands true believers to follow the path of the Messenger and informs those who seek to return to Allaah that they have in His Messenger an excellent example to follow.
Now let's go through each and every verse you quoted
3531, 32 - nowhere does it say that only the Quraan alone is sufficient for our guidance.
650 - the blessed verse says that the Messenger only follows that which is revealed to him. Nowhere does it say that it is only the Quraan which has been revealed to him. On the contrary, the Quraan says that everything the Messenger speaks is revelation
6106 - no mention of Quraan, only commands to follow that which is revealed, nowhere in the Quraan does it say that the Quraan itself is the only thing which has been revealed to the Messenger of Allaah
7203 - Again no mention of "Quraan alone"
1015 - No mention of "Quraan alone". The verse does say that the disbelievers wanted that another "Quraan" should be revealed other than this Quraan, or that it be changed. That is irrelevant point to whether Quraan is the only revelation to be followed.
10109 - No mention of "Quraan" even, only to follow that which is revealed. Again, nowhere in Quraan does it say that Quraan is the only revelation revealed to the Messenger !
The same is true for the rest of the verses you quoted, i.e. 4343, 332, and 499 (although I don't know why you quoted 499)
How in the world you sectarians dare to claim that the Prophet who is commanded repeatedly by GOD (SWT) not to follow anything but The Qur?aan
Wrong, the Prophet was commanded repeatedly to follow only that which was revealed unto him, that includes the Quraan and Sunnah, because both are revelations from Allaah.
My challenge to you is simple Where in the Quraan does it say that only the Quraan is the revelation given to Prophet Muhammad ??
If you show me even one Verse, I will make tawbah right there and then and accept that you are right and that I was following misguidance all along. How does that sound?
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My challenge to you is simple Where in the Quraan does it say that only the Quraan is the revelation given to Prophet Muhammad ??
If you show me even one Verse, I will make tawbah right there and then and accept that you are right and that I was following misguidance all along. How does that sound?
Ok tat's easy bro, piece of cake... hardly a challenge. If one sura can help open your eyes, why not?
http//4.bp.blogspot.com/_QVqhOJn8Clk/TIRNW4TmCAI/AAAAAAAAAX4/tOLJkH1x9Rc/s400/truth.jpg
Here's your ONE Verse from the Holy Quraan
You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord?s scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.
If the Holy Quraan was not the only message given to the Prophet, why would Allah command us not to find any other source of guidance other than the Holy Quraan?
Still want ONE more Verse??
My all time favourite One is Sura 2530. If this does not convince you, nothing can.?The messenger shall say(on the Day of Judgment), ?My Lord, my people have DESERTED this Quraan.?
The Prophet says ?MY PEOPLE deserted the QURAAN?? His people, the so-called ?muslims? have deserted the Holy Quran. Why? Why will he not say my people have deserted the sunnah? Or deserted the hadiths? Why? Think about it.
And when you come to your senses you shall realize that the muslims have deserted the Holy Quraan exactly because of taking other sources of guidance, other messages written by MEN like Bukhari (who lived 200 years after the Prophet) instead of the Holy Scripture from Allah almighty.
This is also the only reason we see so much of trouble and violence in the Islamic society of today. Muslims have fallen for the whispers of the Satan.
Hope you are ready to do TAWBAH brother. But I'm certain you shall 'find' new meanings from these quoted Suras to further your belief.
To each his own. One can only show you the door, it is you who has to walk through... right? jedi
Allah Hafiz.
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So you are saying that Allaah only sends a messenger to be followed while he is alive, by his contemporaries, but after he passes away, he is not to be followed any more?
Such a strange belief is contrary to what Allaah warned when He revealed the following
And Muhammad is no more than a Messenger. Many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels? And if any did turn back upon his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allaah, and Allaah will give reward to those who are grateful.
I already proved in my post prior to this that following the Messenger means following his path and his way
12.108 is the sunnah of Allah that the messengers follow17.77 (This was Our) way with the messengers We sent before thee thou wilt find no change in Our ways.
7.3 Follow (O men!) the revelation given unto you from your Lord, and follow not, as friends or protectors, other than Him. Little it is ye remember of admonition.
48.23 (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah already in the past no change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.
Sunnata Allahi allatee qad khalat minqablu walan tajida lisunnati Allahi tabdeelanThis means, we follow the Messenger's Sunnah that he left behind, his teachings and actions that he exemplified for us, as Allaah says
Indeed, you have in the Messenger of Allaah a good example for anyone who seeks Allaah and the Last Day, and remembers Allaah much.
He was a good example because he followed sunnat Allah to the letter
40.85 But their professing the Faith when they (actually) saw Our Punishment was not going to profit them. (Such has been) Allah's Way of dealing with His Servants (from the most ancient times). And even thus did the Rejecters of Allah perish (utterly)!
Falam yaku yanfaAAuhum eemanuhum lammaraaw ba/sana sunnata Allahi allatee qad khalat feeAAibadihi wakhasira hunalika alkafiroona33.62 (Such was) the practice (approved) of Allah among those who lived aforetime No change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.
Sunnata Allahi fee allatheenakhalaw min qablu walan tajida lisunnati Allahi tabdeelanYou will find sunnat Muhammed nowhere in Quran because Muhammed follow sunnat Allah.
Allaah says that anyone who is seeking to return to Him has the blessed example and model of His Messenger in front of him to emulate. Note that the verse does not restrict the following of this example only to the contemporaries of the Messenger of Allaah during his lifetime.
As has already been proven, the Quraan itself commands true believers to follow the path of the Messenger and informs those who seek to return to Allaah that they have in His Messenger an excellent example to follow.
yes because he followed what was revealed, sunnat AllahNow let's go through each and every verse you quoted
3531, 32 - nowhere does it say that only the Quraan alone is sufficient for our guidance.
Allah alone is
39.45 When Allah, the One and Only, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust and horror; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy!650 - the blessed verse says that the Messenger only follows that which is revealed to him. Nowhere does it say that it is only the Quraan which has been revealed to him. On the contrary, the Quraan says that everything the Messenger speaks is revelation
4.82 Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
When he recites Quran it is from Allah, not everything he said.
6106 - no mention of Quraan, only commands to follow that which is revealed, nowhere in the Quraan does it say that the Quraan itself is the only thing which has been revealed to the Messenger of Allaah
35.31 That which We have revealed to thee of the Book is the Truth,- confirming what was (revealed) before it for Allah is assuredly- with respect to His Servants - well acquainted and Fully Observant.
nowhere does it say hadith were revealed either, in fact it clearly warns from any other hadith but this one
45.6 Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
Tilka ayatu Allahinatlooha AAalayka bialhaqqi fabi-ayyi hadeethinbaAAda Allahi waayatihi yu/minoona31.6 But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
Wamina alnnasi man yashtareelahwa alhadeethi liyudilla AAan sabeeli Allahibighayri AAilmin wayattakhithaha huzuwan ola-ikalahum AAathabun muheenun7203 - Again no mention of "Quraan alone"
none of following other than Quran either1015 - No mention of "Quraan alone". The verse does say that the disbelievers wanted that another "Quraan" should be revealed other than this Quraan, or that it be changed. That is irrelevant point to whether Quraan is the only revelation to be followed.
10109 - No mention of "Quraan" even, only to follow that which is revealed. Again, nowhere in Quraan does it say that Quraan is the only revelation revealed to the Messenger !
The same is true for the rest of the verses you quoted, i.e. 4343, 332, and 499 (although I don't know why you quoted 499)
Wrong, the Prophet was commanded repeatedly to follow only that which was revealed unto him, that includes the Quraan and Sunnah, because both are revelations from Allaah.
My challenge to you is simple Where in the Quraan does it say that only the Quraan is the revelation given to Prophet Muhammad ??
If you show me even one Verse, I will make tawbah right there and then and accept that you are right and that I was following misguidance all along. How does that sound?
out of time giveup
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peace Maseehullaah,
You are just repeating the same arguments as have been said before. Please note, ever since Shafii had to argue his case, the same case you make, these arguments have repeated themselves. Simply ask yourself the question why the heck did Shafii have to write a book and argue so strongly for his case, if Muslims of the time already did as you imply? If you do your research, you will note he received a ton of opposition.
history of hadith/sunna in islam http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
Hadith in Quran http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Hadith_in_Quran.htmSay "Indeed, I do not possess for you harm nor right-guidance."
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Here's your ONE Verse from the Holy Quraan
You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord?s scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.
If the Holy Quraan was not the only message given to the Prophet, why would Allah command us not to find any other source of guidance other than the Holy Quraan?
Unfortunately the translation you posted is Rashad Khalifa's which is obviously incorrect. Every other translation is different
HILALI & KHAN And recite what has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Book (the Qur'?n) of your Lord (i.e. recite it, understand and follow its teachings and act on its orders and preach it to men). None can change His Words, and none will you find as a refuge other than Him
YUSUFALI And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him.
PICKTHAL And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words, and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him.
SHAKIR And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord, there is none who can alter His words; and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.The phrase contains the pronoun referring to Allaah, not to "scripture".
Still want ONE more Verse??
My all time favourite One is Sura 2530. If this does not convince you, nothing can.?The messenger shall say(on the Day of Judgment), ?My Lord, my people have DESERTED this Quraan.?
The Prophet says ?MY PEOPLE deserted the QURAAN?? His people, the so-called ?muslims? have deserted the Holy Quran. Why? Why will he not say my people have deserted the sunnah? Or deserted the hadiths? Why? Think about it.
This doesn't address my challenge at all, which is to show me even a single verse from the Quraan which proves that the Quraan and only the Quraan is the sole revelation from Allaah to His Messenger
And when you come to your senses you shall realize that the muslims have deserted the Holy Quraan exactly because of taking other sources of guidance, other messages written by MEN like Bukhari (who lived 200 years after the Prophet) instead of the Holy Scripture from Allah almighty.
You say that the Hadeeth were written down and compiled by men. Let me ask you...who do you think wrote down and compiled the Quraan? Did the Quraan as a book just drop out of the sky? Did an Angel come floating down and hand it over to us in the shape we have it, i.e. with the order of verses and chapters?
The Quraan was also written down into copies and compiled by men. In fact, you have no idea and no proof what order the Quraan verses and chapters are suppose to be in without resorting to the Sunnah and the Hadeeth.
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12.108 is the sunnah of Allah that the messengers follow
The Sunnah of Allaah is nowhere mentioned in that verse. Instead, it says to follow the way of the Messenger
By the way, there isn't a single verse in the Quraan which says to follow the "Sunnah of Allaah". You know why? Because the Sunnah of Allaah is how He deals with people in different circumstances. A human cannot emulate God. For example, Allaah says in that those people who professed faith at the exact time of Allaah's punishment upon them, Allaah would not allow their faith to profit them. The verse says this is the Sunnat of Allaah (Way of Allaah), and there is no change in the Way of Allaah.
Now how can a human copy the Sunnat of Allaah? How can a human punish entire civilizations, or reign down punishment on evildoers the way Allaah does? If you claim to follow the Sunnat or Way of Allaah you would have the power to do these things, but obviously you can't.
nowhere does it say hadith were revealed either, in fact it clearly warns from any other hadith but this one
First of all, Hadeeth is defined as what the Messenger of Allaah says. As you know, the Holy Quraan is the Speech and Words of Allaah, not of the Prophet
Yet Allaah says that everything which the Messenger says is a revelation that is revealedAnd nor does he speak from his desire
It is nothing but Revelation that is Revealed
45.6 Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
Tilka ayatu Allahinatlooha AAalayka bialhaqqi fabi-ayyi hadeethinbaAAda Allahi waayatihi yu/minoonaNotice the verse says what message they will believe in after rejecting Allaah and His Signs. All of what Allaah reveals are part of His Signs.
My challenge to you is simple, show me a single verse in the Quraan which says the Quraan alone is Allaah's Revelation to our Prophet Muhammad
Just one verse!
Remember, that even with previous prophets, like Moses , Allaah revealed the Torah to him. However, that doesn't mean that the scripture of the Torah was the only thing Allaah revealed to Moses. According to Quraan, Allaah revealed many things to prophets, like Moses, apart from Scriptures
And we inspired to Moses "Throw your rod," and behold, it swallowed up straight-away all the falsehoods which they showed.
So the point proven is that Allaah does not only reveal a scripture to His prophets and messengers, revelation comes in many forms to the prophets, including as inspirations to the heart, visions, dreams, etc.
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Unfortunately the translation you posted is Rashad Khalifa's which is obviously incorrect. Every other translation is different
HILALI & KHAN And recite what has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Book (the Qur'?n) of your Lord (i.e. recite it, understand and follow its teachings and act on its orders and preach it to men). None can change His Words, and none will you find as a refuge other than Him
YUSUFALI And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him.
PICKTHAL And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words, and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him.
SHAKIR And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord, there is none who can alter His words; and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.The phrase contains the pronoun referring to Allaah, not to "scripture".
This doesn't address my challenge at all, which is to show me even a single verse from the Quraan which proves that the Quraan and only the Quraan is the sole revelation from Allaah to His Messenger
You say that the Hadeeth were written down and compiled by men. Let me ask you...who do you think wrote down and compiled the Quraan? Did the Quraan as a book just drop out of the sky? Did an Angel come floating down and hand it over to us in the shape we have it, i.e. with the order of verses and chapters?
The Quraan was also written down into copies and compiled by men. In fact, you have no idea and no proof what order the Quraan verses and chapters are suppose to be in without resorting to the Sunnah and the Hadeeth.
The Holy Quraan is the sole revelation from Allaah to his messenger. You know it, I know it and every Muslim knows it in his heart. Someday, inshallah you might accept it to yourself. I've presented the proof as it is, now its up to you whether to accept it or not. I've no interest to squabble and discuss verses and meanings that have been done to death by others on this forum.
If you want to accept the 4000+ verses of Bukhari and Co. as being divine and as Part 2 of the Holy Quraan, so be it (its your funeral). As far as I am concerned, the Holy Quraan is the literal word of Allaah almighty narrated through the angel Gabriel to our Prophet- the COMPLETE MESSAGE and the FINAL MESSAGE ( Sura 619, 38, 114, 115; 5045), meant for the whole of mankind to save themselves. For those who are not satisfied with that Message, shaithan is company.
Regarding who wrote the Holy Quraan, the literal word of Allaah almighty, since neither of us were present 1400 years ago, why do you simply conjecture? laugh
https//sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/quran/appendices/app28-muhammad-wrote-the-quranPeace. welcome
