Polygyny - a new understanding from Quran?
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Salam,
Interesting thread indeed. Some people just cant see the difference between reasoning and spilling out their ego asking dumb questions over and over again. I challenge such people to give me a verse from the Qur'an where Allah says that he is not the Ipad.
By the way, I am aware that this would contradict many statements in Qur'an but just submit a verse where directly Allah says that "I am not the Ipad" or "We are not the Ipad"/etc. No indirect logical deduction by study of relevant verses is allowed. ONLY evidence from ayaat of Allah telling you open and explicity using the word Ipad that Allah is not the Ipad.
I swear I am not drunk.
PEACE
--------------------------- Student of AllahHello brother student of Allah.
Well if you think that people cannot reason than We are very lucky to have you since you are the only one who can reason, right ? So please reason for us, brother student of Allah -)
Surah ikhlas says that nothing is like god. So its up to you to decide if a ipad is like god or not.
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Hello brother student of Allah.
Well if you think that people cannot reason than We are very lucky to have you since you are the only one who can reason, right ? So please reason for us, brother student of Allah -)
Surah ikhlas says that nothing is like god. So its up to you to decide if a ipad is like god or not.
PeaceSalam,
I specifically mentioned not to provide logical deductions like that. One must provide a verse where Allah openly and explicitly says that he is not Ipad. You did not provide any such evidence.
By the way, I never said that people here can not reason. I said "SOME" people can not. They demand verses in the same stupid fashion that I demanded. Logical deduction is for those who read instead of cherry picking and base their system on ayaats without context.
PEACE
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Salam,
I specifically mentioned not to provide logical deductions like that. One must provide a verse where Allah openly and explicitly says that he is not Ipad. You did not provide any such evidence.
By the way, I never said that people here can not reason. I said "SOME" people can not. They demand verses in the same stupid fashion that I demanded. Logical deduction is for those who read instead of cherry picking and base their system on ayaats without context.
PEACE
--------------------- Student of AllahYes yes I know you just came to play smart by calling SOME who you don't agree with for unreasonable.cso please reason instead of just attacking if you really are the only with the ability to reason.
Moreover I don't understand what your 'direct iPad' thing has to do with the thread other than that you admit that polyandry is not banned directly but only by your special 'reasoning' who you still have to show us. And if god does not prohibit what you dislike you begin to prohibit it becease nothing about iPad is mentioned. It's like when quranist challenge the sunnies to show the direct word 'sunnah# rasoolallah from the quran and the Sunni in return says that sunnah rasolallah does not have to be stated directly because quran does not state whether god is an ipad or not either. Very logical.
Well first of all manny things regarding marriage is stated very directly in the quran except a ban on polyandry, strange right ? Secondly polyandry does not contradict other verses inbut god being a iPad contradicts every verse of the quran, and iPad didn't exsisted when quran was revealed but polyandry exsisted.
But you actually just proved my point there is no prohibiting on polyandry. You can only oppose it by logical issues and special interpreting.
i hope you would reason next time instead of attacking and joking just because you disagree. -
Why are translated as Married women?
A woman is called married when Nikah has taken place.
This places them in this stateh
Yes the chaste (mohsanat) women can be married when nikah has taken place after the consent with their family as you can see in surah noor where the chaste mohsanat are mentioned again as someone you shall marry. and of course this applies for women also. women shall marry chaste men as well with the permission of the mens family and not unchaste men who sleeps around.
It seems that even the basics of Arabic are not known.
Grand Qur'aan is very precise, does not leave things at the discretion of reader to infer whatever he likes to draw from its words. There is no such loosly worded statement in Qur'aan. First two types of women are mentioned-protected by the family and house-maids . When these house-maids meaning not having protection of their own family are given in Nikah they also become protected ones/married being in the fold of Nikah of their respective husbands-.
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It seems that even the basics of Arabic are not known.
Grand Qur'aan is very precise, does not leave things at the discretion of reader to infer whatever he likes to draw from its words. There is no such loosly worded statement in Qur'aan. First two types of women are mentioned-protected by the family and house-maids . When these house-maids meaning not having protection of their own family are given in Nikah they also become protected ones/married being in the fold of Nikah of their respective husbands-.
I am very sorry to say it but you understand nothing from Arabic. You paki. Mohsanat means chaste and both single and married women can be chaste. And only after Nikah they can be called chaste married women. fatyat means young girls. I dont know from where you got that house maid idea idea from but it clearly shows that you are a pendu paki Sunni using sunni translation.
It seems that even the basics of Arabic are not known.
Grand Qur'aan is very precise, does not leave things at the discretion of reader to infer whatever he likes to draw from its words. There is no such loosly worded statement in Qur'aan. First two types of women are mentioned-protected by the family and house-maids . When these house-maids meaning not having protection of their own family are given in Nikah they also become protected ones/married being in the fold of Nikah of their respective husbands-.
. I think you are a undercover Sunni with sunni agenda.
The verse you showed says that if you cannot marry chaste women(mohsanat). What has that to do wiyh your obsession on nikah ? If mohsanat were married women the verse would be like this and if you cannot marry married women... So that would mean allowance of polyandry. You are caught in your own contradictions like most sunnies. Quran says marry the chaste women with the consent of their famililies and when they are givin in marriage they can remain chaste
(Mohsanat) as well.Your sunni agenda is clear -)
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 021106 AM
It seems that even the basics of Arabic are not known.Grand Qur'aan is very precise, does not leave things at the discretion of reader to infer whatever he likes to draw from its words. There is no such loosly worded statement in Qur'aan. First two types of women are mentioned-protected by the family and house-maids . When these house-maids meaning not having protection of their own family are given in Nikah they also become protected ones/married being in the fold of Nikah of their respective husbands-.
I am very sorry to say it but you understand nothing from Arabic. You paki. Mohsanat means chaste and both single and married women can be chaste. And only after Nikah they can be called chaste married women. fatyat means young girls. I dont know from where you got that house maid idea idea from but it clearly shows that you are a pendu paki Sunni using sunni translation.
Quote from Mazhar on Today at 021106 AM
It seems that even the basics of Arabic are not known.Grand Qur'aan is very precise, does not leave things at the discretion of reader to infer whatever he likes to draw from its words. There is no such loosly worded statement in Qur'aan. First two types of women are mentioned-protected by the family and house-maids . When these house-maids meaning not having protection of their own family are given in Nikah they also become protected ones/married being in the fold of Nikah of their respective husbands-.
. I think you are a undercover Sunni with sunni agenda.The verse you showed says that if you cannot marry chaste women(mohsanat). What has that to do wiyh your obsession on nikah ? If mohsanat were married women the verse would be like this and if you cannot marry married women... So that would mean allowance of polyandry. You are caught in your own contradictions like most sunnies. Quran says marry the chaste women with the consent of their famililies and when they are givin in marriage they can remain chaste
(Mohsanat) as well.Your sunni agenda is clear -)
Only this could be expected from a deceptive claimant of being Arab.
Obsession of anything, including sex, blinds the people. When falsity of their claim of being Arab is exposed, they even forget normal words. Adjective is not Passive Participle. Chaste is an adjective while is Passive Participle and in Arabic a Passive Participle is derived from the passive verb of the same Root.
Obsession even gets reflected by the choice of Avator.
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.27q.gif
and those people, who physically follow their lusts, strongly and persistently desire that you too get deeply inclined towards such lustful pursuits.427
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Only this could be expected from a deceptive claimant of being Arab.
Obsession of anything, including sex, blinds the people. When falsity of their claim of being Arab is exposed, they even forget normal words. Adjective is not Passive Participle. Chaste is an adjective while is Passive Participle and in Arabic a Passive Participle is derived from the passive verb of the same Root.
Obsession even gets reflected by the choice of Avator.
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.27q.gif
and those people, who physically follow their lusts, strongly and persistently desire that you too get deeply inclined towards such lustful pursuits.427
You are totally hopeless. It's you who are obssessed with sex since you falsly claim that chaste means married and girls means house maids. You are a perfect example of why non Arabic speakers should stay away from commenting quran. Especially pakistani sunni women haters like you. You can not attribute English grammar to arabic grammar because Arabic is a totally different language with other grammar rules than English, hence mohsanat is not passive as you falsely claim. Mohsanat is sonething you can be. So keep your sunnism to yourself or to your non arabic paki mullah village. Or go to a sunni forum where they would like your sexiet lies. You cannot deceive Arab quranists
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You are totally hopeless. It's you who are obssessed with sex since you falsly claim that chaste means married and girls means house maids. You are a perfect example of why non Arabic speakers should stay away from commenting quran. Especially pakistani sunni women haters like you. You can not attribute English grammar to arabic grammar because Arabic is a totally different language with other grammar rules than English, hence mohsanat is not passive as you falsely claim. Mohsanat is sonething you can be. So keep your sunnism to yourself or to your non arabic paki mullah village. Or go to a sunni forum where they would like your sexiet lies. You cannot deceive Arab quranists
Stupidity and obsession has no limits.
A Passive Participle whether in English or Arabic language is one and the same. It is stupid of a claimant of being an Arab to say that Mohsanatu is not Passive Participle. It suggests to me that even ABC of Arabic is not known to one who suggests such stupid things.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=24#(4241)
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Salam,
The exchange on this thread needs to be toned down or it will be moved to "trash" or locked.
Muhsana is best translated as "independent"
Sorry Layeth; the word "independant" signifying "not controlled by another", "able to function by self", "self supporting" etc does not have even remote relationship with the Arabic Root " and more so with the specific word .
