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Inheritance according to Qur?an

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    Noon_waalqalami
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    I have not given. Allah the Exalted is so allowing. Please see the red part of just quoted Ayah. As regards stealing, Allah the Exalted knows it---that is why He the Exalted has mentioned such people in other Ayah mentioned in the Article and the effect of all such foul plays with the property of orphans. No other blood relatives does not mean that the whole society does not exist for this dead man. That is why no specific person is nominated to maintain the property--just general advice what they can consume out of the inheritance.

    What does I have not given mean? If you don't know it's OK to say so. Here use this

    1 brother, 2 sisters (or any mixed siblings)
    4176 AND IF kn/they were ikh'watun siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

    Mazhar -- take the same example as before for little kids; what if they were adults?

    You suggesting take their $1.33 million away and give it to whom exactly strangers?

    Simply do what the book says 1 son, 2 daughters (or any mixed children)
    411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)

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      Mazhar
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      You suggesting take their $1.33 million away and give it to whom exactly strangers?

      It is not me suggesting this. Allah the Exalted is asking the dying person to decide about it. If he could not decide it because of sudden death, others have to decide about it.
      The discourse about the distribution of inheritance begins with the Bequest made mandatory for the dying person. What was the point in making it compulsory for Muttaqeen if Allah the Exalted had to decide about the hundred percent distribution of wealth?

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        Noon_waalqalami
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        It is not me suggesting this. Allah the Exalted is asking the dying person to decide about it. If he could not decide it because of sudden death, others have to decide about it.
        The discourse about the distribution of inheritance begins with the Bequest made mandatory for the dying person. What was the point in making it compulsory for Muttaqeen if Allah the Exalted had to decide about the hundred percent distribution of wealth?

        Mazhar --

        It's written and decided; does not say 2/3 for mixed children/siblings anywhere?
        It is 21 ratio when mixed; how many times do I have to post the same verses?

        411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)
        4176 AND IF kn/they were ikh'watun siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

        http//oi47.tinypic.com/2cs8och.jpg

        It's you who is wrongly allocating be they old or young 2/3 for all mixed cases

        1 son, 1 daughter
        2 sons, 2 daughters
        3 sons, 3 daughters

        Read carefully, 2/3 is only when nisa are alone, no sons hence they get the whole 2/3...

        411 so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa above two (feminine) falahunna so to them (feminine plural) 2/3

        http//oi49.tinypic.com/30hrbc3.jpg

        Likewise, 1/2 for the daughter, no sons; she gets the whole half

        411 and if knat/is (feminine singular) one so for her the half

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          Mazhar
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          It is not me suggesting this. Allah the Exalted is asking the dying person to decide about it. If he could not decide it because of sudden death, others have to decide about it.
          The discourse about the distribution of inheritance begins with the Bequest made mandatory for the dying person. What was the point in making it compulsory for Muttaqeen if Allah the Exalted had to decide about the hundred percent distribution of wealth?

          Mazhar -- that is the whole point, it does not say 2/3 for mixed children or siblings anywhere?

          It's always 21 ratio for mixed siblings; how many times does one have to post the same verses?

          411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)
          4176 AND IF kn/they were ikh'watun siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

          It is plural and includes multiple progenies inclusive of feminines and males. Nowhere, we find subsequently that Allah the Exalted has appointed shares for . But it is not like that. The shares of are determined by the mention of 3 daughters, two daughters, and one daugther sequence. And in case of combined progenies no share is described since the basic unit of inheritance are the feminines--- share of two feminine shall be given to a male.

          There cannot be an equation of shares netween feminine and masculine when there is only a daughter or only a son. Such situations are seperately dealt.

          The point that the whole scheme revolves around daughters, is also evident from the last information where is not used but only sons

          The Parents and the Sons of you people, You know not with certainty who of them are more nearer for you, nearer in context of beneficent .

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            It is plural and includes multiple progenies inclusive of feminines and males. Nowhere, we find subsequently that Allah the Exalted has appointed shares for . But it is not like that. The shares of are determined by the mention of 3 daughters, two daughters, and one daugther sequence. And in case of combined progenies no share is described since the basic unit of inheritance are the feminines--- share of two feminine shall be given to a male.

            There cannot be an equation of shares netween feminine and masculine when there is only a daughter or only a son. Such situations are seperately dealt.

            What you mean separately dealt with, how you going apply 4176?

            The equation or 21 ratio covers all mixed children and siblings combinations.

            411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)
            4176 AND IF kn/they were ikh'watun siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

            http//oi47.tinypic.com/2cs8och.jpg

            1 son, 1 daughter (2/3, 1/3 or m = 2f)
            1+ sons, 1+ daughters

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              Mazhar
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              What you mean separately dealt with, how you going apply 4176?

              It is at

              1. With regard to progeny, we are left with only a situation where the deceased is leaving behind the solitary Son. In this situation, Allah the Exalted has not made the Son as preferential. Instead, the parents and spouse of the dying person are declared preferential and their share is mandatory prioritized leaving the allocation for the living Son at the discretion of the dying person. Allah the Exalted has not prescribed the share for a solitary living son of the deceased.

              2. In case of a solitary son as heir, the living father and mother each get straight away 1/6th out of that inheritance which the deceased has left behind. The mandatory prioritized share of Wife is 1/8th out of the inheritance. In such cases, the Inheritance is divided into twenty-four parts; eleven out of twenty-four parts straight going to father, mother and the Widow, if they all are surviving, otherwise their respective share will also obviously go to the discretion of the dying person to allocate it to the next relatively near blood relation. Near Blood relation is referred by the relationship of Wombs, it thus includes grandfather, grandmother and grand-progeny.

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                What you mean separately dealt with, how you going apply 4176?

                It is at

                1. With regard to progeny, we are left with only a situation where the deceased is leaving behind the solitary Son. In this situation, Allah the Exalted has not made the Son as preferential. Instead, the parents and spouse of the dying person are declared preferential and their share is mandatory prioritized leaving the allocation for the living Son at the discretion of the dying person. Allah the Exalted has not prescribed the share for a solitary living son of the deceased.

                2. In case of a solitary son as heir, the living father and mother each get straight away 1/6th out of that inheritance which the deceased has left behind. The mandatory prioritized share of Wife is 1/8th out of the inheritance. In such cases, the Inheritance is divided into twenty-four parts; eleven out of twenty-four parts straight going to father, mother and the Widow, if they all are surviving, otherwise their respective share will also obviously go to the discretion of the dying person to allocate it to the next relatively near blood relation. Near Blood relation is referred by the relationship of Wombs, it thus includes grandfather, grandmother and grand-progeny.

                No need to write so much; I asked to apply 4176 kalala no child 1 brother, 1 sister?

                4176 ... so to the male like share the two (feminine)

                Your answer should be simple 2/3 brother, 1/3 sister or m=2f

                Suggest applying to EVERY CASE test consistency; like program three logic gates...

                IF, so/ELSE IF, AND IF

                Input inheritors, output according to Qur'an!

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                  Mazhar
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                  Have you noticed what was not mentioned or prescribed in 411 and 412 which could also be a ground reality, leaving a question for the listeners to enquire about it?

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                    mahmuud
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                    Pleace look at this book about this matter

                    http//www.quraniclesson.com/download.php?fid=1&ext=pdf&fn=Division%20of%20Inheritance%202nd%20Edition.pdf

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                      Mazhar
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                      His basic premises, what to read afterwards 500 pages, is patently incorrect and far away from Qur'aan. Son concept is heavily controlling his mind.

                      He begins with Status 1 as Son, Qur'aan gives status 1 to women.

                      Daughter (s) are direct beneficiary by the shares determined by Allah the Exalted.

                      One Son has nowhere been given direct share by Allah the Exalted.

                      He forgets about the Bequest part which is fundamental to Inheritance division.

                      He ignores difference between and to determine who is primary and secondary.

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                        Noon_waalqalami
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                        Pleace look at this book about this matter

                        http//www.quraniclesson.com/download.php?fid=1&ext=pdf&fn=Division%20of%20Inheritance%202nd%20Edition.pdf

                        You keep spamming the forum with same link to stupid book by the clueless.

                        Have you noticed what was not mentioned or prescribed in 411 and 412 which could also be a ground reality, leaving a question for the listeners to enquire about it?

                        The verses are clear instructions to be applied in the real world and when someone asks to show them, it does little to answer with questions and perpetual expounding -- simply show distributions; it's not complex.

                        4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah if person died is not to person child/born...

                        No children; we know only inheritors to enter the verse are mother and siblings. Therefore...

                        1 sister, mother 1 - 1/2 sister = 1/2 mother
                        2 sisters, mother 1 - 2/3 sisters, 1/3 each = 1/3 mother
                        3+ sisters, mother unstated distribute evenly

                        1+ sisters, 1+ brothers 21 ratio male to female

                        mother, 1+ brothers 1 - 1/6 mother = 5/6 brothers

                        mother, 1+ sisters, 1+ brothers 1 - 1/6 mother = 5/6 siblings 21 ratio male to female

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                          Mazhar
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                          in al-kalalah

                          What does it mean?

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                            Noon_waalqalami
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                            What does it mean?

                            Deceased left no crown/head of house 4176 al-kallah is father-less spouse-less.

                            Mathematical proof
                            1 = father (variable) + siblings mixed 21 ratio male to female
                            1 = y + 2x + x
                            1 = y + 3x (no solution without involving negative numbers (-2=y, 1=x))

                            1/2 sister + 1/4 wife = 3/4 to little
                            2/3 sisters + 1/2 husband = 1 + 1/6 too much

                            Likewise more contradictions with other computations with siblings and father/spouse.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Deceased left no crown/head of house 4176 al-kallah is father-less spouse-less.

                              I infer from above---is it correct

                              You mean his father is not living at the time of his death-he is already dead. What about mother?

                              And spouse-less, you mean his/her spouse is not surviving at the time of his/her death.

                              What about a son? He be having a surviving son or might have died without a son.

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                                Noon_waalqalami
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                                I infer from above---is it correct

                                You mean his father is not living at the time of his death-he is already dead. What about mother?

                                Correct, deceased did not have a father.
                                Mother may be alive since 411 IF ikh'wat mother =1/6

                                And spouse-less, you mean his/her spouse is not surviving at the time of his/her death.

                                Correct, deceased did not have a spouse.

                                What about a son? He be having a surviving son or might have died without a son.

                                Of course there is the possibility of kalalah with son/child otherwise no need to state if not to person child if kalalah is childless as most translators wrongly interpret.

                                Kalalah no child use 4176
                                4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (fatherless spouseless) if person died is not to person waladun/child

                                Kalalah with son use 412 otherwise there is confusion what to give 1 sister 1/2 or 1/6

                                412... and if kna is a man inherited kallatan (fatherless spouseless) or woman and has brother or sister so to each one from them the sixth so if kn they were greater from that so they partners in the third

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  I infer from above---is it correct

                                  You mean his father is not living at the time of his death-he is already dead. What about mother?

                                  Correct, deceased did not have a father.
                                  Mother may be alive since 411 IF ikh'wat mother =1/6

                                  So alternate state could be that Father survives while the Mother is dead.

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                                    Noon_waalqalami
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                                    So alternate state could be that Father survives while the Mother is dead.

                                    All inheritors can be present or not present; with presence of father/spouse siblings get nothing.

                                    1 - 1/3 mother (fixed 411) = 2/3 father; siblings = 0

                                    1 - 1/6 mother (fixed 411) = 5/6 brother/siblings mixed

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      All inheritors can be present or not present; with presence of father/spouse siblings get nothing.

                                      1 - 1/3 mother (fixed 411) = 2/3 father; siblings = 0

                                      Where is this red part written?

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                                        Noon_waalqalami
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                                        Where is this red part written?

                                        411 ... so if not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents so to his mother the third

                                        1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/known) = 2/3 father (variable/unknown)

                                        Logical deduction AND IF OR NOT ELSE (used to build supercomputers) differentiates the human from most creatures.

                                        Peace!

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          411 ... so if not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents so to his mother the third

                                          1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/known) = 2/3 father (variable/unknown)

                                          Logical deduction AND IF OR NOT ELSE (used to build supercomputers) differentiates the human from most creatures.

                                          Peace!

                                          In the interpretation of law, and particularly in matters of money/wealth it is not permitted that the reader starts inserting new law in the name of logical deductions.

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