True Blue Aussie Sunni
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If you are going to accuse me . . .any examples?
For proof just re-read all your post again.By the way by using @pixelrowed as your new account ,it's a possibility your @pixelrow already banned.
Quran not talking about systematical like books in the school.Quran give us ettiquote and deen corridor for our way of lives.
Sure . . . but this is extremely EXTENSIVE work . . . and there are many books - but Muslims and non-Muslim academics about this. However - as no one is advocating that it is "Hadith alone" can give us a governmental systems and what not . . . why did you aim such a challenge at me?
After you did it, try to campare your did with Hizbut Tahreer's khilafah syistem or another khilafah system.The result will be different.Did you know story of the reign of Ali Ibn Abu Thalib, Ali itself face difficulties for implementating Khilafah, and Muslim by that time divided into some groups.That's mean khilafah is not perfect.
For me, hadits is only pieces of quote which claimed from Muhammad (pbuh), but lack of valid historical background, like story of Prophet trashed the pictured curtain which I already posted in previous pages.
Why I chalengge you?Because you are AsSunnah w Jama'ah who chalenge the others n me, so it's not my fault to chalenge you back.
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Umm, what is Pixelrow/Pixelrowed blabbering on about ? I cannot see much intellectual substance coming from such a contentious fellow. Pixelrowed, before you get banned again, what is your purpose polemically attacking jedi the Quranites in their own forum?
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Umm, what is Pixelrow/Pixelrowed blabbering on about o? I cannot see much intellectual substance coming from such a contentious fellow. Pixelrowed, before you get banned again, what is your purpose polemically attacking jedi the Quranites in their own forum?
" I cannot see much intellectual substance coming from such a contentious fellow. "
Lazy accusations. And nothing more.
"what is your purpose polemically attacking jedi the Quranites in their own forum?"
Is the forum meant for "Quranite" only?
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For proof just re-read all your post again.By the way by using @pixelrowed as your new account ,it's a possibility your @pixelrow already banned.
Quran not talking about systematical like books in the school.Quran give us ettiquote and deen corridor for our way of lives.
After you did it, try to campare your did with Hizbut Tahreer's khilafah syistem or another khilafah system.The result will be different.Did you know story of the reign of Ali Ibn Abu Thalib, Ali itself face difficulties for implementating Khilafah, and Muslim by that time divided into some groups.That's mean khilafah is not perfect.
For me, hadits is only pieces of quote which claimed from Muhammad (pbuh), but lack of valid historical background, like story of Prophet trashed the pictured curtain which I already posted in previous pages.
Why I chalengge you?Because you are AsSunnah w Jama'ah who chalenge the others n me, so it's not my fault to chalenge you back.
"For proof just re-read all your post again."
It doesn't work like that. If you fail to give any example - then your accusation more like than not was baseless.
"it's a possibility your @pixelrow already banned."
Yes.
"Quran not talking about systematical like books in the school.Quran give us ettiquote and deen corridor for our way of lives."
Your English is poor. But I get the gist . . . I don't think you understood the original point.
"After you did it, try to campare your did with Hizbut Tahreer's khilafah syistem or another khilafah system.The result will be different.Did you know story of the reign of Ali Ibn Abu Thalib, Ali itself face difficulties for implementating Khilafah, and Muslim by that time divided into some groups.That's mean khilafah is not perfect."
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"For me, hadits is only pieces of quote which claimed from Muhammad (pbuh), but lack of valid historical background, like story of Prophet trashed the pictured curtain which I already posted in previous pages."
Wrong - Hadith and Quran have about the same historical validity. Else check what the oldest copy of the Quran is.
"Why I chalengge you?Because you are AsSunnah w Jama'ah who chalenge the others n me, so it's not my fault to chalenge you back."
Sure. But a challenge has to be er . . . somewhat sensible. Not a challenge for the sake of it.
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Peace pixelrow,
Well, I did not have you banned. The moderators solved that on their own volition.
I did not even know you were banned.
See how long you can remain unbanned this time then.
May God bless you into a better being
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Pixelrow, too right mate. Yeah lazy accusations alright... You're giving us a headache. GET OFF MY THREAD, thank you.
YOU'RE A TYPICAL ALLAH-SA'ADUCK STUPID SUNNI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! elektro!
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And sincere advice Go memorize the Qur'an in original Arabic, followed by at least one hundred thousand ahadeeth with their basic isnaads, until you come back! voodoo
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Peace pixelrow,
Well, I did not have you banned. The moderators solved that on their own volition.
I did not even know you were banned.
See how long you can remain unbanned this time then.
May God bless you into a better being
No one er . . . unbanned me.
" The moderators solved that on their own volition.
"I doubt it - there is the report button - handy!
Also - why would the moderators favour me over you?
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Pixelrow, too right mate. Yeah lazy accusations alright... You're giving us a headache. GET OFF MY THREAD, thank you.
YOU'RE A TYPICAL ALLAH-SA'ADUCK STUPID SUNNI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! elektro!
See - Man of Faith - how will you judge now? Truthfully . . . or . . . .
perhaps your own words were difficult for you to judge . . .
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Get a life sun
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Peace pixelrow,
I do not lie. If something is wrong it is due to my own shortcomings. I never reported you, in fact I have never reported anyone.
People see for themselves, they do not need my testimony.
God bless you
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extremely simplistic and childish
I believe you're taking it waaay to personally pixelrowed! it seems to me as if you're "fighting" to be heard simply because your "ego" is wrapped up in your "need" to be right. this makes you come across as very stubborn and immature! Trying to be right in something you know is wrong is a mistake made by ibliss long before you my brother. Let go of your ego's need to be right. be open-minded and positive then kindly provide your proof if there is any truth in what you claim (see my last sentence at the end of this post).
"that were written by some persian parsi imams hundreds of years after the death of our dear prophet"
Such as?I'm referring to your beloved hadith corpus
Sahih Bukhari, by Bukhari (d. 256 A.H., 870 C.E.), includes 7275 ahadith
Sahih Muslim, by Muslim b. al-Hajjaj (d. 261 A.H., 875 C.E.), includes 9200 ahadith
Sunan al-Sughra, by al-Nasa'i (d. 303 A.H., 915 C.E.)
Sunan Abu Dawood, by Abu Dawood (d. 275 A.H., 888 C.E.)
Jami al-Tirmidhi, by al-Tirmidhi (d. 279 A.H, 892 C.E)
Sunan ibn Majah, by Ibn Majah (d. 273 A.H., 887 C.E.)• As I said before, every single hadith you follow is authored by a persian parsi imam who lived hundreds of years after the death of our dear prophet.
I'm not even sure what did you expect with this question of yours!!! Got the temporal lobe insensitivity or something?! )"How can you admit that ALLAH completed our religion for us in the first quarter of the 7th century YET still insist on following fabrications"
Try reading the Verse again . . . does it say Hadith are invalid? No. Does it say. . . Quran alone. . . no.Your argument is invalid (Ignoratio elenchi).
The question is cristal clear Why do you follow persian fabrications from the 10th century when ALLAH (SWT) has "completed" our "religion" for us in the 7th century?!!!Why do you add the words of persians (you've never met) to the True Verbatim Word of The Supreme Creator?! Is the Word of God not enough for you as source of law and guidance?! Why do you divide Islam into sects by adding labels (such as "sunni" or "salafi" instead of just "muslim" when you know very well that ALLAH (SWT) HIMself instructed us not to do so?! Why do you consider the Glorious Qur'an to be "incomplete" when ALLAH Almighty is repeatedly telling us that its complete and fully detailed?! How can you reject the clear verses of ALLAH and still consider yourself a "muslim"?!!! .... I left sunnism not long ago. AlhamduliLLAH who guided me to the straight path. Sunnism is nothing but a sect where you blindly follow persian books as a source of law beside the BOOK OF ALLAH. Case closed.
"You don't seem to be aware of the basic logical contradictions in your statements and beliefs! "
As there are none there . . . might I suggest putting a little bit of work . . . before formulating such poor reply.Your types of arguments are the lowest form of debate - factless, illogical, aggressive and personal! You are not diligently looking for the truth.You argue just to argue. Bukhari has battered your mind with a baseball bat. If God wanted us to follow (that which you call) the "sunna of the prophet" aka Al-hadith, HE would have simply said so in the Qur'an )
In other words
To put up a decent counterargument you'll need to provide at least ONE SINGLE Quranic verse where
ALLAH Almighty instruct us to follow "BOTH QURAN AND HADITH/SUNNA" Othewise, stop wasting my time please.SLM
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" it seems to me as if you're "fighting" to be heard simply because your "ego" is wrapped up in your "need to be right." this makes you come across as very stubborn and immature! Trying to be right in something you know is wrong is a mistake made by ibliss long before you my brother."
Ha ha ha . . . I love comments like this . . . see you commit the EXACT same thing - which you accuse me of!
See
"Trying to be right in something you know is wrong"
"Let go of your ego's need to be right. be open-minded and positive then kindly provide your proof if there is any truth in what you claim (see my last sentence at the end of this post)."
Why don't you act on this fine advice.
"Sahih Bukhari, by Bukhari (d. 256 A.H., 870 C.E.), includes 7275 ahadith
Sahih Muslim, by Muslim b. al-Hajjaj (d. 261 A.H., 875 C.E.), includes 9200 ahadith
Sunan al-Sughra, by al-Nasa'i (d. 303 A.H., 915 C.E.)
Sunan Abu Dawood, by Abu Dawood (d. 275 A.H., 888 C.E.)
Jami al-Tirmidhi, by al-Tirmidhi (d. 279 A.H, 892 C.E)
Sunan ibn Majah, by Ibn Majah (d. 273 A.H., 887 C.E.)"And this was the answer - I expected.
None of these people wrote hadith. They conveyed them. And there are more book that them.
"As I said before, every single hadith you follow is authored by a persian parsi imam who lived hundreds of years ofter the death of our dear prophet.
I'm not even sure what did you expect with this question of yours!!! Got the temporal lobe insensitivity or something?!"Which you made up - like I said. Simplistic kiddy arguments. . . and look - how incorrect.
"The question is cristal clear Why do you follow persian fabrications from the 10th century when ALLAH (SWT) has "completed" our "religion" for us in the 7th century?!!!
"They are not Persian fabrications . . . and you will find that in hisotrical evidence - A hadith is probably actually older than the oldest copy of the Quran.
Completed faith . . . which in no way invalidates the Hadith Corpus.
"Why do you add the words of persians (you've never met) to the True Verbatim Word of The Supreme Creator?! Is the Word of God not enough for you as source of law and guidance?!"
How is it that you understand the Quran? It is the same Persians . . . who mastered the language . . . and rose to become its greatest masters. . . or do you have some private Arabic - which the Quran conveys?
Also - the accusation is false.
No one "adds" to the Quran.
"Why do you divide Islam into sects by adding labels (such as "sunni" instead of just "muslim" when you know very well that ALLAH (SWT) HIMself instructed us not to do so?!"
It is impossible NOT to divide . . . YOU create the same division.
There are no Muslims that are NOT in a sect. . . . Sunni - has ALWAYS been the one thing . . . all divisions are from it.
Shia . . . onwards. This Quran-only nonsense too.
"Why do you consider the Glorious Qur'an to be "incomplete" when ALLAH Almighty is repeatedly telling us that its complete and fully detailed?!"
Incorrect accusation. Quran is complete. How do you know what the book is? Without Hadith. You don't.
Quran is self-evident ONLY to an extent.
"How can you reject the clear verses of ALLAH and still consider yourself a "muslim"?!!! .... I left sunnism not long ago. "
Another idiotic accusation. No Muslim rejects a single verse of the Quran.
"Sunnism is nothing but a sect where you blindly follow persian books as a source of law beside the BOOK OF ALLAH. Case closed.
"Another poor accusations . . . and incorrect. And no one follows blindly.
"Your types of arguments are the lowest form of debate - factless, illogical, aggressive and personal!"
Wrong . . . you have not proven one argument to be so . . . Look - I have ripped EVERY SINGLE argument to shreds . . .
I mean - to call Hadith Corpus . . . to be written by Persians - IS factually incorrect and childish nonsense.
"You argue just to argue. Bukhari has battered your mind with a baseball bat. If God wanted to tell us to follow (that which you call) the "sunna of the prophet" aka Al-hadith, HE would have simply said so in the Qur'an )"
He did. But you find ways around it. . .
"To put up a decent counterargument you'll need to provide at least ONE SINGLE Quranic verse where
ALLAH Almighty instruct us to follow "BOTH QURAN AND HADITH/SUNNA" Othewise, stop wasting my time please."Let us get one thing straight . . . by choosing to muck in . . . you waste your own time. No one is asking you to . . . get involved - or forcing it.
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Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from themselves who will recite to them Your verses and teach them the Book and wisdom and purify them. Indeed, You are the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
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Sahih International
O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best and best in result.There are total of 11 verses - commanding to obey Allah and the Prophet.
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And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for near relatives and orphans and the traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
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I have answered EVERY single such simple questions already . . . you people have habit of repeating - when answers run out. These are same basic questions - re-packaged.
Now are you going to act on your sanctimony? And er . . . have an open mind?
It is obvious Quran did not come in a vacuum . . . it has full background. It is not just - here is the book . . .there you go. So - for 1500years Muslims have got it wrong . . . And now . . . vavavooom - which Quran says that you will get it right?
The companions were wrong . . .their companions were wrong . . . etc etc . . . today you are right!
Even then you need the book they called Quran and the language they called Arabic.
Funny faith!
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Peace,
All prophets followed God's Sunnah.
God bless you
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So pixelrow is back as pixelrowed. Was he banned but he's back? If that's the case, then he'll need an IP ban or something. But if he's just created another account, isn't that against the rules, or is it allowed here?
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So you got me banned . . . by calling me all sorts . . . yet you still cannot help it. I reckon - you just fancy me. . . . -*
tempt got to you.
Peace to all who seek peace,
Maybe a moderator saw your posts anyway and decided for themselves, I mean everyone else can just look at your behaviour here and this quote just exemplifies your attitude. You have so many criticisms and condescending comments to make of others. Look at your own behaviour, is this how Prophet Muhammad behaved in your Sunnah?
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Oy pixelrow,
NONE of the verses you mentioned instruct us to follow "Qur'an AND HADITH/SUNNA, nor do they even contain the word "hadith" or "sunna"!!! there is no such a thing as "sunna of prophet" in the Qur'an, only "SUNNA OF ALLAH," thus, I'm afraid every "proof text" you'll cite requires that a (bukhari based) interpretation be "read into" the scripture which contradicts the Quranic teaching
http//quran.com/images/ayat/45_6.png
http//quran.com/images/ayat/77_50.png
http//quran.com/images/ayat/7_185.png
nice try though
SLM
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Oy pixelrow,
NONE of (the couple of) verses you mentioned instruct us to follow "Qur'an AND HADITH/SUNNA, nor do they even contain the word "hadith" or "sunna"!!! there is no such a thing as "sunna of prophet" in the Qur'an, only "SUNNA OF ALLAH," thus, I'm afraid every "proof text" you'll cite requires that a (bukhari based) interpretation be "read into" the scripture which contradicts the Quranic teaching
http//quran.com/images/ayat/45_6.png
Like I said . . . same arguments . . . and that is it. Every one has the same arguments - one finishes - next one comes out with the same things.
You quoted three verses . . . saying which Hadith after this you will believe. . . yet none of them contradicts the Hadith.
Obeying the Messenger is made clear . . . his legislative authority is made clear . . . he teaches the Quran and "Wisdom" is made clear . . .
Look at your verses . . . every single has context - which is what you will believe after this book - in similar vein.
Hadith are NOT equal to the Quran.
http//quran.com/images/ayat/77_50.png
http//quran.com/images/ayat/7_185.png
nice try though
SLM
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Peace to all who seek peace,
Maybe a moderator saw your posts anyway and decided for themselves, I mean everyone else can just look at your behaviour here and this quote just exemplifies your attitude. You have so many criticisms and condescending comments to make of others. Look at your own behaviour, is this how Prophet Muhammad behaved in your Sunnah?
Why don't you do something about this fascination of attacking me . . . your moderators are same as you - protecting the lying - which goes on here.
I clearly exposed "FearGod" for 3 lies . . . a moderator stepped in . . to protect his lying.
Savvy?
I never make personal comment against people - neither am I - interested in tittle tattle. . . it OBVIOUS - you cannot counter - argue me . . else you would do it . . . and expose me for the bogus fraud I am. . . . but I don't think you can.
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Peace,
It think people have "counter-argued" pretty well.
Actually, people try to help you in various ways. It is maybe not the most wise way to fight fire with fire though. We have to change strategy perhaps, including myself.
Never make personal comments? How about calling FearGod a liar, amongst other things?
God bless you