What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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Aoa justamuslim
It has become not a place to discuss and share but for persons to minister bringing along their followers.
The very reason why people like you need to stick around
As I am reading posts from years ago, many persons who contributed much seemed to have left or not active. I have gotten so much and this is a place where I have frequented during some lonely difficult times. And so, stillearning, my feelings are mixed as there is a part of me that wants to leave this site completely.
Exactly the reason why I was attracted to this site many yrs ago. Unfortunately for me time is in short supply & also sad to see many of Quran believers leave this site.
God says clearly there will always be persons like drfazl and the like. There are those who will use God's words to serve their purposes or positions. From reading the Koran, we know that satan's intent is to lead people astray. What best way to do that than using God's words. Satan has already mislead the vast majority of the Muslims with the hadith and it is only expected that satan will find more clever ways of misleading those who rejected hadiths with God's words. And those who listen to such nonsense not using their sense are responsible for their actions.
I am afraid I have no polite word other than fraudsters (which is v polite compared to what I really think). CHARGING usd2000 & claiming to be doing God's work. Well anyone with an ounce of intelligence can make up their own mind.
Personally I consider it a criminal act and should be treated as such. Apart from fraudulently obtaining money, God knows how many cases of manslaughter these people are responsible a for. Sorry if I appear to be harsh. But I have seen the damage these people cause & hence the contempt.And so for now, stillearning, will stick around here much to satans disappointment.
Cool.
Aoa zone
Correct there is no aya.
Unfortunately I find it difficult (unlike yourself) to be polite to some the characters here
Regards
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...1) I have not found any aya of the Quran on dua to ask Allah to help heal someone. If you find one, please share. My point is, true healing and cure is Allah?s business, seeking true cure is our business. Asking help directly from Allah through dua is in accordance to His Guidance...
See 2186, 2286, 2762, for the start.
Peace,
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Aoa
See 2186, 2286, 2762, for the start.
The aya refer to praying to the good lord, cannot see any evidence asking you ask someone else to pray on your behalf. Is God multilingual?
Regards
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Aoa
The aya refer to praying to the good lord, cannot see any evidence asking you ask someone else to pray on your behalf. Is God multilingual?
Regards
highlight is from me.
1st Try 3;159, 4;64, 7;151-155, 12;97-98, 14;41, 19;47, 40;7, 47;19, 48,11, 59;10, 63;5, 71;7-28
2nd What do you mean by, "Is God multilingual?"?
Peace,
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Peace,
Of course you can pray for someone, but God is the grantor of all prayers and thus the doer. Praying for someone else can even be a bonus since you think of someone other than yourself.
God bless you
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Peace kgwithnob.
Thank you for sharing those ayats.
If there are any differences between us, it is because of my position on the notion that we can?t DUA TO ASK ALLAH TO HEAL SOMEONE FROM ILLNESS.
Not about asking FORGIVENESS FROM ALLAH FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR BELIEVING BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Not about asking FORGIVENESS FROM ALLAH for those who come to you to become believers or to the God?s way and ask you to seek Allah?s forgiveness from them.
Yes my position is clear in the sense we can ask forgiveness for ourselves and fellow believers especially when we are together in jihad for the cause of Allah and also those who come to us to repent and not to fight or against us anymore. In fact we can offer to them to ask forgiveness from Allah on their behalf should there stop fighting against us. To me the asking of forgiveness from Allah for others or on their behalf is precisely clear in context they are believers among us or they come to us to ask for forgiveness from the God, though they are actually hypocrites and only Allah knows.
My words in the previous post
- I have not found any aya of the Quran on dua to ask Allah to help heal someone. If you find one, please share. My point is, true healing and cure is Allah?s business, seeking true cure is our business. Asking help directly from Allah through dua is in accordance to His Guidance.
Just to highlight some of the verses
7128 (Noah said) My Lord, forgive me and my parents and whoever enters my house a believer and the believing men and believing women. And do not increase the wrongdoers except in destruction."4716-19
And among them are men who listen to thee, but in the end, when they go out from thee, they say to those who have received Knowledge, "What is it he said just then?" Such are men whose hearts Allah has sealed, and who follow their own lusts.But to those who receive Guidance, He increases them in Guidance, and bestows on them their Piety and Restraint.
Do they then only wait for the Hour,- that it should come on them of a sudden? But already have come some tokens thereof, and when it is on them, how can they benefit then by their admonition?
Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe for Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes.4811 The Bedouins who were left behind will say to thee, 'We were occupied by our possessions and our families; so ask forgiveness for us!' They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say 'Who can avail you aught against God, if He desires hurt for you, or desires profit for you? Nay, but God is ever aware of the things you do.
Zone
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Peace.
If there are any differences between us, it is because of my position on the notion that we can?t DUA TO ASK ALLAH TO HEAL SOMEONE FROM ILLNESS.
I wish to correct myself. THAT STATEMENT ABOVE IS WRONG. I don't find a verse from Allah about dua asking Allah to heal someone whether we know or don't.
My Lord, forgive me should I forget and in error.
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I am afraid I have no polite word other than fraudsters (which is v polite compared to what I really think). CHARGING usd2000 & claiming to be doing God's work. Well anyone with an ounce of intelligence can make up their own mind.
Personally I consider it a criminal act and should be treated as such. Apart from fraudulently obtaining money, God knows how many cases of manslaughter these people are responsible a for. Sorry if I appear to be harsh. But I have seen the damage these people cause & hence the contempt.I don't find calling and describing people for what they are is being impolite. And no you are not being harsh in speaking out. One of the characteristics of a momeen is when s/he sees or knows someone committing evil/crime, a momeen does not sit quiet, being neutral or passive or politically correct but instead will aim to bring justice upholding and establishing salat=code of conduct as described by God.
I am not bothered with these so called "faith healers" as their due is awaiting them. God has made it clear what will happen if you use the words of God for personal gain may it be monetary,fame or otherwise. However there are people who are so simple, innocent, lacking in knowledge or so desperate that they are taken advantage by such frauds. I feel obliged to not only expose these fraudsters but to hold them accountable. Just as doctors are liable, so should these so called faith healers be held accountable and be liable.
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Aoa zone
Correct there is no aya.
Unfortunately I find it difficult (unlike yourself) to be polite to some the characters herePeace stillearning and justamuslim.
Please be patient, though sometimes I find it hard too. For your information esp justamuslim, I have left this site (community) in the first year it started. I came back recently. Treat it as there is a test and there is something for us to discover. To me you have spoken the right things. Hope these are comforting words for both of you.
Zone.
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Peace,
Of course you can pray for someone, but God is the grantor of all prayers and thus the doer. Praying for someone else can even be a bonus since you think of someone other than yourself.
God bless you
Salam
"And be not faint-hearted in pursuit of the host; if you suffer pain, then surely they too suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise."
Abiding by Allah's order, prayerfully, we shall stand for Allah; they definitely suffer pain throughout their lives visiting doctors until they die a more painful death in the hospitals where they went seeking doctors' protection against the death to save their lives; and they say believing in Allah alone is like playing with death; and it is insane. For they consider such "insane-belief" will lower a mumin's honour and dignity before the rejecting people who would always be the majority people till the end of the world. We hope from Allah; while they do not. Be not faint-hearted in reaching out to them.
"Those who take others with Allah for guardians rather than the believers! What! They seek honor from them? Then surely unto Allah is all Honour."
Salam
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Peace
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And if God should touch thee with misfortune, there is none who could remove it but He; and if He should touch thee with good fortune - it is He who has the power to will anythiing (61 for He alone holds sway over His creatures, and He alone is truly wise, all-aware.
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Say "Can you see yourselves invoking any but God when God's chastisement befalls you , or the Last Hour comes upon you? if you are men of truth! (641) Nay, but it is Him alone that you will invoke - whereupon He may, if He so wills, remove that which caused you to call unto Him; and you will have forgotten all that to which you ascribe divinity side by side with Him."
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And, indeed, We sent Our messages unto people before thy time, and visited them with misfortune and hardship so that they might humble themselves (643) yet when the misfortune decreed by Us befell them, they did not humble themselves, but rather their hearts grew hard, for Satan had made all their doings seem goodly to them. (644) Then, when they had forgotten all that they had been told to take to heart, We threw open to them the gates of all things,33 until - even as they were rejoicing in what they had been granted - We suddenly took them to task and lo! they were broken in spirit;34 (645) and the last remnant of those folk who had been bent on evildoing was wiped out.35 For all praise is due to God, the Sustainer of all the worlds.646 Say "What do you think? If God should take away your hearing and your sight and seal your
hearts - what deity but God is there that could bring it all back to you?" Behold how many facets We give to Our messages - and yet they turn away in disdain!We are at the time when "the gates of all things have been open" and we are rejoicing , However; ask your doctor if he could return to you the hearing and the sight if God took it away, or if they could open the hearts that have been closed by God.
drfazl you should go forth on earth walking into every town and village looking for the sick, and help them achieve peace and believe in God alone, but don't take anything from them except the food they provide you with, and no more than a full belly enough to get to the next village, then God you will have a great reward for you in heaven. And help the sick and dying accept God's will, because God's will shall be accepted joyfully.
peace may God increased our wisdom
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Peace wrkmmn,
The last part sounded like the orders Jesus gave to his disciples -)
God bless you
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Wrkmmn talks lots of ayats but his final command or advise has no relevance or reference to any of those ayats. What a way to read and cite! Refer from Quran and preach from bible!
About the alms in kind, and in service, and in cash
"And of them there are those who blame you with respect to the alms; so if they are given from it they are pleased, and if they are not given from it, lo! they are full of rage."
I can only say, "Sorry!"
By God, I stand.
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Peace,
It was a reference from one of the Gospel testimonials of the New Testament. They are among the few sources of the Bible I consider least corrupted. To be honest, a servant of God should not ask for any wage when they do something by he hand of God.
That is also stated in Quran.
God bless you
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Peace,
Man of Faith.You are probably referring to all the many number of ayats from Sura Hud, where the messengers when they deliver the message of God saying to their brethren "Believe in God alone, and there is no God besides Allah; and I am but a plain warner; and I am not asking any wages for delivering this." We are to follow the messengers and we shall not speak of what we do not do. And I sure do that. I am just saying what i had been witnessing in my practice. And I cannot speak of Quran until an ayat is well informed to me and completed on me with proof and signs." Up to this, it is most personal between me and Allah.
Now, after 40 years of personal reading, reciting, reflecting and as a result the inherent and automatic rehearsal of Quran without the aid of any single person; and even the reversal and undoing of all the sunni knowledge that my parents had taught me sending me to madrasas. Following this zakath, purification, Allah made it easy for me to throw away my shirky livelihood, using the methodologies of all man made medicines and all the man made religious practices in general.
This was my zakath. Allah helped me abandon my livelihood as the parents, patients, people and relatives abandoned me, even as my religious heads excommunicated me until I became single and it is Allah made me feel comfortable in the entire world, with except me, and Allah and His entire universe. No sadness, worries and grief touched me when I was put to test without money. That was my zakath, when I stopped my deplorable earnings as a doctor practicing MM. There is another way of Zakath, first earn in whatever way and then launder it through zakath. But with me I was made to fight in the cause of Allah with my life and money prior to gaining back my livelihood absolutely from Him, the Provider.
"And why do you not spend in the cause of Allah while to Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth? Not equal among you are those who spent before the conquest and fought and those who did so after it. Those are greater in degree than they who spent afterwards and fought. But to all Allah has promised the good for both. And Allah , with what you do, is Acquainted."
Whatever I do is not of my own accord but by the impulse of the liveliness of Quran. Whoever wants to launder their money through zakath, Allah expands their hearts to spend their wealth and property for which He promises heavens in both the worlds. Those who reject Allah and His way and hold on to their money and wealth, to impress the other rejecters Allah says
"And let not their wealth and their children impress you. Allah only intends to punish them through them in this world and that their souls should depart at death while they are disbelievers."
And of course, by Allah, I do not ask for wages to deliver the messages of Quran to the people. All my travels are by flight and the best auditoriums, my stay in 5 star hotels are my own expenses and I do not expect from the people who comes to listen to this message, close to 600 to 750 people every week. Even while I was deprived of all the money 20 years earlier, I was traveling in the third class train, with very difficult accommodation, with a very thin gathering of 10 or 15 people in the big auditorium - all expenses were borne by me with whatever Allah had left with me. Again this was not felt tough by me at any point of time. I was only thinking of when Allah's help would come; and I know and always believed, Allah's help is near. This ayat conducted me in this regard.
"Who spend during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good"
From this light of Quran I see the 'old or new', no testament is good enough.
Regarding the fees part of it
"Take, from their wealth a charity by which you purify them and cause them increase, and invoke Allah 's blessings upon them. Indeed, your invocations are reassurance for them. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
Peace
Man of Faith.drfazl
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Peace brother Fazl,
I still wonder about the 2000 dollars you charge for your services. Do they all enter your own pocket? It is quite some money you know, maybe not for you who stay at 5 star hotels and fly business class, but it might be for those who go to you for help.
I cannot help but to say, like some other people have said on here, that it sounds a bit fishy.
It is good that you have turned your life around, but do you not think God may try you through your wealth and possessions? Are you doing what is right in the eyes of God?
Have you tried what happens if you ask for no money at all? Well, you will probably still get plentifully but now the right way.
I am not among those who will act unrighteously due to this in terms of conduct, I will try to keep my peace and your peace. I am just discussing and to you are your choices in life.
If your "prayer healing" services work then it is fine, I am not against the idea at all, but it was just about the fee for your services I wondered about.
I just hope you are not acting arrogantly, feeling proud or living through your vain desires now that God has blessed you with provisions. It is easy to fall "to the dark side". It seems like you like the glory and fame.
God bless you
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Peace
Man of FaithI should stand a role model before people to treat money like dirt even during testing times; but for Allah's help you cannot do so. It is not for boasting I am writing all this. I am speaking to you how I was conducted by Allah when I had the money and when I was a near pauper; and how many such changing fortunes alternated in my life. The more you spend in Allah's way, the more you are rewarded. Niggardliness, is the all time precursor of one's downtrodden life of tomorrow. The more you spend the less you save; the more you shall believe in Allah and fear Him more. Because you always are prayerful with a sense of fear when you spend.
The chronic patients for even simple diseases had spent already $10,000 to 20,000. What they give me for what they gain by God is worth them a whole life time fortune, saving all the money they would spend on doctors until they die.
Now for the consolation of all
I have openly announced my fees to all, long time ago The reactions from the public were.
Does the doctor say indirectly to the public, no one should go to him for he wants each of us to turn to God ourselves?
Doctor should have raised the fees much earlier for what God does through the doctor is beyond any charity.
We can give him even a 100,000 for what I gain by his way of prayer
Will the doctor not cure the poor patients like us?
And if the doctor is so greedy for money?
How can the doctor ask for money when God is curing our diseases?
Is the doctor a faith healer, or a magician, or a sorcerer?
In the next meeting publicly I told them all
"Affluent people will never come to me; the so called educated will make fun of me; the middle income people will be weighing their options too long to come to me. Who is left here, are the poor people and who are below poor and who have no money at all.
So, my real service will only be towards the 'poor' people. Yet I will not reduce my fees and no concessions to money. You can take concession in time. I will not count the money you give at any time and I will not keep account of how much of you give out of your instalment. You keep good conduct of your account for Allah's sake. You will spend your money amply for your just needs; and whatever allah has left as remains or as spoils with you at the end of month is what you are going to give me whole-heatedly. And out of your spoils you can give as much what your heart allows. But be mindful, you complete your account with God.
I know for sure, with the amount they earn for the month, they cannot finish this $2000 for a decade to come. But I can wait to make the poor spend in Allah's way. They do not know for every penny they spend in the cause of Allah i.e., for their own belief to lead a life without association is watched by Allah with intent. For this they are going to be plentifully rewarded by Allah to the tune of 700 times or 1400 times.
"The parable of those who spend their property in the way of Allah is as the parable of a grain growing seven ears with a hundred grains in every ear; and Allah multiplies for whom He pleases; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing"
This good fortune is sure to dawn on all the poor people who had accepted $2000 and started spending in pennies for keeping themselves free from associations to their God. And they would be in a position to complete their balance, whatever, in much shorter period than expected. When these people become rich, they will not be like the rich of today with their wealth and property. They would spend more. If this is the case with them, to me for having shown them the way, imagine what Allah has in store for me tomorrow? They would spend in my cause more and more. And Allah in return is Ample to them. Allah would make them live in a life of paradise from this life on earth.
Now Man of Peace, my position is I am richer every day; for my tomorrow is with Allah. As far as I am concerned I do not know if I am alive till next day.
Man, if I ask a common man what would give him security whether it is what they earn now? Or the amassed wealth in safe? They would say the their real security is their savings. But then God says, if it is so, I will stop your every day earning and from this day start spending from your savings. What would you say? No No No I want every day earnings. This is what my life is. Today I am richer than tomorrow if I believe in Allah alone; and tomorrow for the same reason, My life shall not be poorer than today.
Any more questions? Am I still fishy? Or my position is "fish-out-of-water" for those who do not believe
in the way I believe for my life, in the Name of the Creator, Nourisher, Sustainer, Forgiving, Merciful, Wise, Mighty.Salam
Spend and Be Ever Richer By The Day.drfazl.
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Peace brother Fazl,
I think you are still out bicycling, but I hope you will live by God at heart and everything goes well and those who sought your help do not get crushed financially by this expense of 2000 dollars on a poor family while you are riding airplanes and stay at luxury hotels.
Unfortunately it does not ring my logical bell to aim for uneducated people who agree to pay this hefty sum of money for something they can do themselves if they turn to God and get ruined in the meantime.
Money is a curse, the reverent will not focus on it at all. If we work it is better to not expect anything at all and trust God will provide for us. Love not thy money, treat it as a necessity, a tool, and spend it wisely, and praise God for supplying you with it.
What do you do with their money except luxury hotels and airplanes 'in the cause of God'?
Sorry brother Fazl, this seems serious. I hope I am mistaken. I try to be conscious of every moment I use money on something. Waste not, says God. Do not be gluttonous, says God. Be modest, says God, summarizing the two phrases, meaning do not be excessive. When the human being turns rich he becomes sinful, bad, unless he turns to God with the money. And then a poor man is not the source of money when he barely has food on the table.
So what does your service include? Personal coaching in the way of God? You say "when they turn rich"...
Is it modest, Sir Fazl, to stay at a 5 star hotel, while working in the name of God? That is not out of jealousy from my part, God provides for me too pretty well down here.
Dear brother, I did not intend to sow animosity between us but rather help a brother. Your determination about God seems perfect and I am sure you do it wholeheartedly for God, but may have missed something.
You need to see whose money you are living large on.
God bless you
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Peace brother
Peace brother Fazl,
I think you are still out bicycling, but I hope you will live by God at heart and everything goes well and those who sought your help do not get crushed financially by this expense of 2000 dollars on a poor family while you are riding airplanes and stay at luxury hotels.
Think over what would you advice me to sacrifice when all people are suffering like hell, and when i have no such suffering and enjoy my God endowed health? Show them the God's way or injure yourself to suffer yourself? Or pump out money to relieve them of their sufferings? Suppose I have a million dollar and out there are innumerable millions of people below poverty line what would you ask me to do? Please tell me from every angle of each of their sufferings what would you ask me to do? And consider they with their children have no food for one square meal a day, what would you advice your family and children to do? And when they are sheltered on the tented plains with not even a blanket to cover them. How much do you think one shall shrink himself? And still it would not be sufficient to remove their suffering. Providing them food and money is purely symptomatic relief. The underlying defect is Allah is not satisfied with their un associated faith in Him. They believe in money and food; and look up to affluent people more than looking up to Him, the Provider. Teach them what un associated faith is! Who the Provider and who the Sustainer is; who the setting right of their affairs is. And who the Giver of Life is. And save them from committing the grave sin of association of money, food and people to Allah.
When I speak to the audience of over 500 at a time, I make them spend for their own good such as food, clothing and comfort from their shirky savings and purify themselves. This is the zakath beginning at home.
I am not able to reason out, how you do not value me showing every one the straight path to God for the victorious life by which they can free them from association of men and money and believe in God alone. And teach the He alone suffices them as Helper and Protector.
Unfortunately it does not ring my logical bell to aim for uneducated people who agree to pay this hefty sum of money for something they can do themselves if they turn to God and get ruined in the meantime.
Meantime brother what made you think I was not be doing prayers for them first; and what made you not think money is last and least for me from patients! Very wrongly mistaken about me. My teaching is explaining them Quran and make them live by it. I am prayerful of every one in the audience. Almost most of them would say that the speech was actually like tailor made for their sufferings and it was great soothing to the heart. There was not even an entry fee. After 15 years the feed back is if you listen to the speech and follow what you had received is sufficient for life free from diseases. You do not have to visit the doctor at all. So if this is true what do you think? If I am after money how much i should have earned from 500 people each week charging them 2000 each. I know you would not be too literal in getting me.
Brother you have not understood my post I am not aiming or targeting uneducated and poor people for my prey but choose them for their prayerful living. Because their hearts are purer than the rich and healthy. Only when there is disease and poverty that befall us we tend to turn to God alone, at least towards the end. Money is a curse, so spend for your own good and teach others to spend and not to believe in the savings. The curse will make you lean on to your savings more than leaning on to the Provider. The zakat is spoilt there. And God's blessing is far removed from us.
I will answer more of your queries that might arise in you up to this, God Willing, before proceeding further.
Peace
drfazl