What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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peace
Qurans says that if somebody says he is a believer one should not say right away "no you are not", but that one should investigate.
What this drfazl is doing is no different than what the Cristian preacher healers are doing, and God hates those who use faith in order to get rich. 2000 dollars maybe little to him, but in a world where 20% of People Live on Dollar a Day, it means dying because they cannot afford to achieve faith. Therefore, he is a preacher send by God only to the rich. What a contradiction, for God always sends them only for the poor.
Mathew 7;15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
(689) ...... although the unbelievers may choose to deny these truths,
We have entrusted them to people who will never refuse to acknowledge them - (690) to those whom God has guided. Follow, then, their guidance, say
"No reward do I ask of you for this behold, it is but an admonition unto all mankind!"may God increase our wisdom.
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Aoa
Quote from stillearning on Yesterday at 120501 PM
AoaThe aya refer to praying to the good lord, cannot see any evidence asking you ask someone else to pray on your behalf. Is God multilingual?
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highlight is from me
.1st Try 3;159, 4;64, 7;151-155, 12;97-98, 14;41, 19;47, 40;7, 47;19, 48,11, 59;10, 63;5, 71;7-28
Let me simplify it for you. The discussion is that some one on this thread claims that they are curing all sorts of diseases by praying for other individuals & now we discover @ a bargain price of USD 2000.
Since you are good with red, can you highlight on any of these Ayats where it allows fraudsters, sorry meant faith healers, to pray on behalf of other people to cure them of all sorts of physical afflictions.2nd What do you mean by, "Is God multilingual?"?
Sorry meant Is God not multilingual i.e. does God have trouble understanding some people's prayers unless translated by someone charging USD 2000 to translate.
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Aoa justamuslim
I am not bothered with these so called "faith healers" as their due is awaiting them
.Whilst I understand your sentiment, unfortunately whilst they will get their due due reward. They continue to wreck havoc with peoples lives. I have come across serious consequences, including death, as a consequence of these fraudsters & what I find shocking is that there are people out there, who claim to be intelligent, defend these people.
It is pointless having an rational discussion with most of these individuals, as they randomly pick Quranic verses and claim it backs their particular point, even when the verse(s) are not even vaguely related to the topic.
As for so called Modern (orthodox) medicine. It is not confined to anything particular and will embrace anything which may prove to be beneficial. It does not need quacks to point out its short comings. Any one with the tiniest of brains will see that Medical fraternity is continuously evaluating its own treatments and is not afraid to admit when it discovers lack of effectiveness or complications. It is all about balancing benefit v risks. When was the last time any of these quacks admitted their shortcomings.
If faith healers and other fraudsters had been even vaguely effective, would so called orthodox medicine have grown @ such rate. Look at the number of diseases that have been wiped out. I gave a simple example of small pox and not a peep except irrelevant rants.
The rubbish reply even included Sudden Infant Death syndrome and what does MM know about it. If these fraudsters even bothered to look @ the truth they would realise that so called MM world is very clear that it does not understand SID.Sorry I have had a little moment. It is difficult to respond to all the rubbish written here.
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Since you are good with red, can you highlight on any of these Ayats where it allows fraudsters, sorry meant faith healers, to pray on behalf of other people to cure them of all sorts of physical afflictions.
RED highlight above is from me.
NO. None of them is about "to pray on behalf of other people to cure them of all sorts of physical afflictions." ;D
Peace,
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Peace newmoon.
I have my own personal encounter with faith healers, following people to see those people. From my experience, there are several categories of them
- Those who said they can see jinns, good ones and bad ones, and how the bad ones disturb and disrupt our bio-chemistry-physical systems and I have seen them performing the challenge and fight with those beings
- Those who can see people in other zones/places from their house
- Those who can cure people from their prayers=duas by either touching or from a distance
- Those who can control the mind and characters of other people for approximately five months.
I have witnessed their miraculous powers in healing, their ability to see and describe people that they have not met, healing the pains of patients, controlling people minds and behaviors, etc.
They did it with certain prayers, chants and whispers. I didnt hear exactly what words they muttered. When asked, most of them said they used only Quran and hadith.I am Quran-only as guidance believer. I construct my worldview from ayats of Allah as my frame of reference. From this angle, my only concern and the question that lingers in my mind, is, what forces are they using to be able to see and perform all those things? Are their abilities and forces coming directly from Allah or something else?
I have my own perspective on the matter from my own observation, experience, knowledge and worldview.
Zone.
Peace zone
My reasoning with regard to one's wellness is to the extent of
concern about oneself and for others. So for a doctor, as a patient whatever be the disease he is suffering with, should vanish and in future no disease should occur, and as a doctor,not only whose need is cure for patient, but helping them to evade any disease in future, is the ultimate concern to the core. Seeing that it is not humanly possible,makes one turn towards none, except the sole CREATOR.Such persons of great concern for the society are endowed with wisdom that helps them to cure not only disease, but also alleviate any sort of distress among people who are looking for relief, without any man-made ways and means, by the admission of the ONLY HEALER.
Persons with such healing powers, would always PREFIX GOD, reiterate that the healing is a sign and they thereafter should turn towards the MOST MERCIFUL alone, for all their needs.
Regards
BalaChandran
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Peace zone
My reasoning with regard to one's wellness is to the extent of
concern about oneself and for others. So for a doctor, as a patient whatever be the disease he is suffering with, should vanish and in future no disease should occur, and as a doctor,not only whose need is cure for patient, but helping them to evade any disease in future, is the ultimate concern to the core. Seeing that it is not humanly possible,makes one turn towards none, except the sole CREATOR.Such persons of great concern for the society are endowed with wisdom that helps them to cure not only disease, but also alleviate any sort of distress among people who are looking for relief, without any man-made ways and means, by the admission of the ONLY HEALER.
Persons with such healing powers, would always PREFIX GOD, reiterate that the healing is a sign and they thereafter should turn towards the MOST MERCIFUL alone, for all their needs.
Regards
BalaChandran
Peace newmoon.
I am up to something, just to make it easy for both of us to come to an understanding, i suggest we come to a common denominator first.
Which disease in humans are you talking about?
- Mind (reason)
- Heart (emotion)
- Belief
- Bio-chemistry (may caused by free radicals, contaminants, worms, minute living creatures, bacteria, etc. in our body)
- Physical (Injuries, rashes, etc.)
- Soul
- Nafs
Take full care.
Zone.
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Peace Zone
In a nutshell all diseases are the result of emotions which culminates when we loose our PEACE.
This is better explained in the below link
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605160.0
Peace newmoon.
After reading the article by drfazl that you posted, I can?t help it but to conclude it is Sufism at the highest degree.
In a nutshell
To my earthly dimensional creative understanding, all forms of knowledge that the God created in the present universe, are earthly profane. We observe the ayats in the heavens and the earth and whatever within us in order to discover the meanings and the laws embedded in His creations (the God?s knowledge) to safeguard our personal, fellow humans and crops to orderly live and grow to our fullest potential to be in accordance to the way of Allah. Thus, we begin with the name of Allah and we conclude with all praises to Allah.I am afraid if you remain in the state of God consciousness at the first level, you will be ingrained with the pride of talking like the truth from the God, which actually is disguised falsehood.
The warning goes
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And from the mankind - they are those who may attract your heart with his rhetoric in this world ? and he uses God as the witness over whatever is in his heart ? whilst he is the worst of all enemies. And when he turns away - he roams in the earth to cause corruption in it - and he impedes crops and lives. And God dislikes the mischief. And when it is said to him, ?Observe God?, he is overtaken by his arrogance - at the same time sinning. Thus sufficient is the Hell for him - and it is the worse place for a settlement.Zone.
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Stillearning,
Don't get me wrong. As I have said, these fraudsters need to be held accountable.
Here's an article. http//news.yahoo.com/court-upholds-parents-convictions-prayer-death-123307685.html
what drfazl and his followers are doing is simply criminal. People need to understand that.
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Aoa
Here's an article. http//news.yahoo.com/court-upholds-parents-convictions-prayer-death-123307685.html
Thankfully at least some sense is prevailing. Lets hope that other countries follow suit and these fraudsters get their just dessert.
Regards
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The fraud of the MM
A recent episode of 60 Minutes revealed how Dr. Anil Potti, a cancer researcher at Duke University, was found to have manipulated research data to support his hypothesis, which led to over 100 terminally ill cancer patients participating in a fraudulent cancer trial.
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There is a disease in the MM followers' hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied. -
Destroyers of crops, lives and create mischievous propaganda
2204-206. And from the mankind - they are those who may attract your heart with his rhetoric in this world ? and he uses God as the witness over whatever is in his heart ? whilst he is the worst of all enemies. And when he turns away - he roams in the earth to cause corruption in it - and he impedes crops and lives. And God dislikes the mischief. And when it is said to him, ?Observe God?, he is overtaken by his arrogance - at the same time sinning. Thus sufficient is the Hell for him - and it is the worse place for a settlement. Here, it goes
The cancer paradigm is based on an archaic cut, poison, and burn approach - butchering in the name of surgery, poisoning and causing havoc in the human immune system in the name of MM and burning in the name of radiation therapy. This is a cash cow for the drug companies, and they are working hard to protect this paradigm at all cost?even when it means sacrificing millions of lives to prevent non-patentable or otherwise inexpensive treatments from reaching the market.
All the above highlighted words and parts are the rhetorical words used by MM followers to kill the public at any cost for bucks.
Peace
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Drfazl,
Thanks for pointing out that constantly medical practices and understandings are in check and being evaluated. When information is learned, in particular if something is not effective, harmful, or especially when fraud by researchers or pharmaceuticals are done, steps are taken. In case of fraud, there is accountability.
Here in the states, you will be held liable. Will remind you again that you will not get away.
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Please thank me for this information also
....But W.H.O. World Hazard Organisation should get away.
http//articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/12/12/WHO-Denies-LiInk-Between-Swine-Flu-Vaccine-and-Illnesses-Deaths.aspx
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These are they of whom Allah knows what is in their hearts; therefore turn aside from them and admonish them, and speak to them effectual words concerning themselves. -
Aoa
As usual long list of generalised nonsense very little to do with balanced facts. MM (as you call it)!has balances and checks & yes treatments don't always work. In case you may not have noticed there are thousands of journals evaluating all forms of treatments. You r quick with sound bites & that is very much like another group of well known crooks, who claim to be representing the public as well. I will let you guess the profession.
All the above highlighted words and parts are the rhetorical words used by MM followers to kill the public at any cost for bucks.
The above is an absolute gem. As obviously you do it for free. Hypocrisy no knows bounds.
Over a century ago, in UK, at a dinner of some extremely rich individuals. Very rich individual to an extremely attractive lady " will you sleep with me for ?million".
She "yes".
He " will you do it for a penny".
She " what do you take me for"
He "I have already established that. I am just trying to establish the price".You by your own posts have already established your own character
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The price of some medicines for conditions like HIV or other life threatening things is really criminal. The industy is absurd at times. When things become big business, its clear what happens. Same with the education system. ...same with religion?
We should also be careful with how we use the term hypocrisy. Some could say that all us peace loving Quran only Muslims - apparently - living in the West and thinking it is so much better than the other parts of the world are hypocrites when we give our taxes that pay for weapons of mass destruction that we know are used in wars. I also believe the West is not so much hospitable to us because its oh so much better because most people here are disinterested in Islam as a whole. I could say something about terrorist acts and perceptions of Muslims as a whole by people but then I'll really be going off topic.
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Guys the SECOND you educate yourselves on the pharmacology and anatomy of the human body the lies of the medical industry dissolve.
Just like the SECOND you learn any real mathematics where actual problems are actually solved, you see straight through all numerology.
Let me first bid you peace, and best of wishes;
Thing is there is no individual group of THE REJECTORS OF 2+2=4 (al-kafirun) who orchestrate the whole thing, I do not for a second even believe there is unity amongst the hidden/jinn. Reality is they are united by their GREED and that alone. When it serves them all, they unite but if it serves one to the exception of the other, they are always divided. Those who believe are not like that, we are commanded to stand even against ourselves so long as we stand WITH GOD!
The thing is the body has a natural balance aka homeostasis. When you add a foreign agent to it, such as any of the myriad synthetic substances available on prescription or from your local friendly street pharmacist () you create a NEW homeostasis. This new balance and the intrinsic balance compete and the final balance will be in between the two, but always tending towards the natural way.
The reality and I swear by my Creator, as I have suffered at the hands of these fools and my ignorance of my own health at a time I did not know, is that these exogenous agents are useless and never necessary. In reality by the time administration of an exogenous agent is necessary (e.g. chemo, blood thinners, etc), the human body has long deteriorated. Cancer cannot DEVELOP in a healthy body. When the body is assailed from all sides by pollution and deficiencies and traumas, then it develops weaknesses which lead to cancer finding a foothold. Reality is that tumors develop in our bodies every single day but they also dissolve as fast as they appear.
Only a weakened body over MANY YEARS, who has ignored their health and every ache, pain, inflammation and so on that their body has cried out, only such people develop the serious illnesses like cancer, MS, alzheimers, etc. They are at their root, caused by nutritional deficiency and environmental/pre/neonatal poisoning. When you understand how the various metabolic cycles and pathways of the body work, how they interlink, how every single organ supports every single organ, this will transpire.
For instance, let me define one such potential route to schizophrenia out of MANY
Bad food (allergens, processed, nutrient deficient, etc) => Gut inflammation => Malabsorption of nutrients + healthy bacteria die off => multiple systems knocked out (liver especially), overgrowth of dangerous bacteria in the gut => long term poisoning of multiple bodily systems => Neuroinflammation + brain nutrient deprivation => dopamine/glutamate imbalance.But what does the medical system say? They point to the LEAVES of the tree and sell you 1 a day disposable scissors.
This is a bit of a simplification but I wanted simply to show you how these things develop over DECADES, with each factor progressively laying the foundations until finally an actual "disease" is developed.
The body is a BUILDING MADE OF BRICKS (FOOD). Those who say that BRICKS cannot be used to repair a BUILDING MADE OF BRICKS but instead you need a sledgehammer and some plasterboard, these are in true error.
Not just to say that, but not all of us are meant to eat the same food. If you have gene 7CB8112blahblah which makes you spontaneously combust when you eat X or Y, then you were never meant to eat X or Y. But people do, and they get destroyed by it, their own ignorance. For example people with phenylketonuria who are allergic to phenylalanine. They were NEVER ever meant to ingest this stuff and from a natural POV they would have avoided these foods just because they would taste "wrong". But because there is a perception of "NORMAL" food, people eat it and suffer. Bird is not made to swim and fish is not made to fly so STOP DOING IT.
But also, we carry the fruits of the works of our parents. Every child is the sum result of the deeds of its parents. So that alone, to a seeing mind is sufficient resolution for the original question re why are some people born disabled. And when you understand your Self as both your parents and the body you inhabit, you would start taking responsibility. When you see it from a limited POV of "this body I inhabit for 80 years is ME and I shall die" then there is a Me who can be created in an unjust fashion.
The truth is that YOU created this body, you SHAPED this body, YOU drew your face, YOU drew the parents' faces and their minds. Because at its heart, YOU are the only being.
peace