A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
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peace all,
It is a common occurrence to find forum members advocating 5 salat daily from Quran. Not just this forum.
However, from my 10+ years experience on this forum, it has been my experience that every single person that does this simply repeats the same erroneous arguments that have been discussed before in past threads. OR at the very least they misrepresent the information in Quran, i.e. so it looks like there may be 5, but they never highlight their assumptions or weaknesses, inconsistencies etc.
Interestingly, I do not recall ever reading one person who was open and honest about that. For example, with myself, with my own view being a minimum of 2 salat daily for the mumineen, I openly admit that my view may have some minor issues but what I know for certain is that it has much less problems/assumptions than 3 or 5 daily view for example. Unfortunately, this type of honesty is rare.So, I would like to put a challenge to those people - quite simply, if you have studied Quran for at least several years and think Quran states 5 salat daily and are willing to defend such a position in debate, then list your name here.
Unfortunately, I am not really interested in debating an individual, thus I would much prefer a large group of 5-salat-daily advocates. The larger the better.
Thus, if you know anyone on any other forum/website or facebook group etc who staunchly believes in 5 salat daily, or they frequently make posts about it, please invite them to this thread.If we get a decent number of people, we can have a debate. Perhaps, if God wills, it will be beneficial.
Important note whilst my view is that Quran does not state 5 salat daily, that does not mean I consider it wrong for someone to uphold 5. It does not matter to me what a fellow brother/sister does when it comes to their personal relationship with God. My only issue arises when they make claims such as "Quran states 5" then proceed to misrepresent information and/or make erroneous arguments as per Quran.
My preference has always been to have accurate information first, THEN, allow readers to weigh and consider, and make up their own minds.
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Obviously me. I was going to make "strong" start - but have held back.
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I am Sunni - and hold that position to be correct and advocate that view.
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I hold that 5 days prayers times are in fact mentioned in the Quran.
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I also hold that the "Quran only" position of 2-3 prayers is incorrect.
Can we try to stick to the topic and try not getting personal. That would be welcome!
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yo quran only guy here! which one of youse guys posted in our forum??? lolz
it's in accord with the sun...wait i just thought of something do you live a solar dark spot with like no day time during these monthes? is this a riddle?
but the sunni sect guy is right it's more than 2 and 3. the mid day prayers and the setting. but to be proper i would like to ask which prayers are you making regularly? i don't wish to change your opinion just to info you on a few surahs. check the quran only facebook group later when post get hot. you'll find the conversation your looking for inshallah.
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Peace Wakas.
In my early days of study, I held the view of 2/3 salat daily. However as I progressed through my studies, I have now changed to the view that it is 5 salat daily. Indeed my study of Qoran confirms that for me.
You also say you are not interested to debate individuals, my aim is not to debate anyone, full stop.
If you noticed throughout my time in this forum ,I rarely enter into " QUOTE FROM ANYONE", I SIMPLY STATE MY UNDERSTANDING.
I do not belong to any sect or gathering, hence I can only put my points as an individual. If your rule omits me ,then I will not take part.
GOD bless.
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I ask those who have looked deeply into this question in the Qur'an
What is the possibility that the people, the person might have a choice, or that the number of salaats might be conditionned by circumstances. That is, that several of the possibilities might be correct that 5 is correct, that three are correct, that for are correct, two, etc.?
Salaam
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This is excellent and important thread.
I hope we shall finally have real tangible solid proof to know how many times a day the Salat is prescribed in the Qur'an as a physical ritual with physical movements and utterances.Thank you all for contributing to truth.
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For example, with myself, with my own view being a minimum of 2 salat daily for the mumineen,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.238p.gif
You people remain vigilant regards the plural number of As-sa'laat Time Bound Formal Protocol of Servitude and allegiance; and be vigilant for the As-sa'laat which is relatively central to other four Formal Timings.
Plural in Arabic is not for two; but three and above.
It is a time bound protocol. Number and the appointed timings for its performance during a day
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Peace brother Mazhar.
Plural in Arabic is not for two; but three and above.
Sure. But how do you come to the conclusion that the salawat has to take place within one day? Why not one week, one month, one year, a lifetime? I cannot see such a restriction in the quoted verse. In my view it is very logical to say, hold to the salawat, meaning hold to the salawat for your whole life.
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Peace brother Mazhar.
Sure. But how do you come to the conclusion that the salawat has to take place within one day? Why not one week, one month, one year, a lifetime? I cannot see such a restriction in the quoted verse. In my view it is very logical to say, hold to the salawat, meaning hold to the salawat for your whole life.
Salamun alaika;
It is a time bound protocol. It is prescribed for five points in time of a day; kindly open the link and see the mention of timings for five in a day.
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In this thread, people play competition in assumption games
Peace
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peace Mazhar,
you and I have already discussed a little about the flaws in your article.But in any case, if you wish to accept this thread challenge please confirm here.
Conirmed.
Flaws? Please find one in that article about five timings; for convenience a graph is even given therein.
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I will join the chalennge if this about "By using Quran Only, Is there any verses in the Quran which said if salat is physical raki'-sujud ritual?"
Peace
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I believe that since salat has been revealed before the Quranic Revelation, one has to look to the previous people/ Scriptures whom Salat has been revealed to, in order to get more understanding of what Salat really is, and the numbers.
The focus groups would be (All of which are mentioned/alluded to in the Quran are
- Mandaeans (Sabaens) (5 prayers lessened to 3 Prayers by John the Baptist) (Sabaeen in Quran 2217)
- Zoroastrians (5 prayers) (Majus in Quran 2217)
- Samaritans (3 times, more on holidays) (Early schism of children of Israel)
- Early Jewish tribes/Torah/Tanakh (some 3, some 5, some combine 5 into 3 times)
- New Testament (3 times, 3rd, 6th, 9th hours)
The two hardest group to find out is Mandaeans and samaritans, since their numbers are few, and there is not a lot of available literature out there.
- This free online book is about Mandaeans
http//mandaeannetwork.com/Mandaean/en_The_Mandaeans_of_Iraq_and_Iran_sabians_mandaeannetwork.html?i1
Also as an intro to Mandaeans in english
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ean-WKnw_nU-
Zoroastrianism
https//archive.org/details/ourownreligionin00millrich -
Samaritans outreach website
http//www.thesamaritanupdate.com/
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Salamun alaika;
It is a time bound protocol. It is prescribed for five points in time of a day; kindly open the link and see the mention of timings for five in a day.
Salamun alaika;
It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
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It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
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Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
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You need to know something about the language . . .
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Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
Salaam sis,
yes
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Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam sis,
yes
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Salaam,
BenderLike most - bender doesn't know any Arabic either . . . but is happy enough to . . .
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The following greeting is within a sentence - here its grammar position and function is different.
Bender seems not to be very clever either. Else he would have noticed
But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
So the posting of his verse . . . was a pointless exercise.
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