What is love? - discuss.
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I think that "love" is also a sign of the existence of God (the Creator),
and I tend to agree with this quote
"You will never find true love
until you first learn to love Allah"
I don't know whether that quote is right or not, but in my view, it seems to be right/true.
Peace,
The question was beautifully open ended and allowed for different opinions to unravel. I agree with your statement Java, not sure about the quote though. The Quran states per 3021 IT IS MOST DEFINITELY a SIGN
"And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest in them, and He put between you love and compassion; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect."
Forget those anonymous quotesWhat are we saying when we talk about love? Is it romanticism, compassion, affection I doubt lust. @ Sonny You must understand ins scientific terms almost anything can be reduced to chemical biological processes but how that connects to the emotion is left wanting. You cannot chemically quantify your level of affection! LoL - a boy
And affection from Us and purity, and he was fearing of Allah
And dutiful to his parents, and he was not a disobedient tyrant."Love/affection/compassion/kindness between brothers in the faith/relatives/siblings?
6414 O you who believe, from among your spouses and your children are enemies to you; so beware of them. And if you pardon, and overlook, and forgive, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
3159 It was a mercy from God that you were soft towards them; had you been harsh and hard-hearted, they would have dispersed from you; so pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them in the matter; but when you are convinced, then put your trust in God; for God loves those who put their trust.
Love/ affection/compassion/kindness between strangers/poor/needy/traveler/etc..?
765 As for the pious, they will drink from a cup with the scent of musk.
766 A spring from which the servants of God drink, it gushes forth
abundantly.
767 They fulfill their vows, and they fear a Day whose consequences are widespread.
768 And they give food out of love to the poor and the orphan and the captive.
769 ?We only feed you seeking the face of God; we do not desire from you any reward or thanks.?
7610 ?We fear from our Lord a Day, which will be horrible and difficult.Or are we talking about a mixture of the above and romantic love?
Moses Love story, love at first sight?
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Then one of the two women came to him walking with shyness. She said, "Indeed, my father invites you that he may reward you for having watered for us." So when he came to him and related to him the story, he said, "Fear not. You have escaped from the wrongdoing people."
One of the women said, "O my father, hire him. Indeed, the best one you can hire is the strong and the trustworthy."
, "Indeed, I wish to wed you one of these, my two daughters, on that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten, it will be from you. And I do not wish to put you in difficulty. You will find me, if Allah wills, from among the righteous."She "had the hots" for Moses and her father realized quite soon. Moses accepted fairly quickly as well. Maybe it was his compassion in helping them without asking for anything in return and a combination of his strength but I see this as a story of Love at first sight.
Now I'm hoping I'm not making conjecture or inappropriate statements about believers but isn't this love story beautiful?Thanks
P.S. I am a hopeless romantic ;D
and forgive the mediocre translations just use as reference please -
I think that "love" is also a sign of the existence of God (the Creator),
and I tend to agree with this quote
"You will never find true love
until you first learn to love Allah"
The question was beautifully open ended and allowed for different opinions to unravel. I agree with your statement Java, not sure about the quote though.
I don't know whether that quote is right or not, but in my view, it seems to be right/true.
I agree with HP_TECH that the line is very open ended. Love is very powerful. The one who rejects it will always end up with bites. This is true for countries too.
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I thik every love is the love of God, butit may cometo us twisted through corruption.
If we think of love as the universal thing, coming from God an so on, we must look for it in the Qur'an, and i would say it is the rahma. The kind of love that is usually associated with somethig universal, ious and os on, the kind that we are fed through idealised preachingand so on. I think, for accuracy sake that we should stick to the Qur'anic words for that, sothat we know what we are exactly seaking about.
There are different words in the Qur'an that we translate as love. Widda is one, habba is another...
Salaam
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Salam
Was inspired one day as to the rationale the Creator creates. Ar-rahman & Ar-rahim are the reasons for creation. Since the actual meaning of those words are beyond our full comprehension, suffice to say love (may not be the accurate word) is part of those two attributes. The absence of those two attributes will bring the Creator's destructive attribute (I get this hint from At-Taubah).
Anyway, just to share. I may be completely wrong.
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Moses Love story, love at first sight?
2825-27
Then one of the two women came to him walking with shyness. She said, "Indeed, my father invites you that he may reward you for having watered for us." So when he came to him and related to him the story, he said, "Fear not. You have escaped from the wrongdoing people."
One of the women said, "O my father, hire him. Indeed, the best one you can hire is the strong and the trustworthy."
, "Indeed, I wish to wed you one of these, my two daughters, on that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten, it will be from you. And I do not wish to put you in difficulty. You will find me, if Allah wills, from among the righteous."She "had the hots" for Moses and her father realized quite soon. Moses accepted fairly quickly as well. Maybe it was his compassion in helping them without asking for anything in return and a combination of his strength but I see this as a story of Love at first sight. )
Hehe, I think that's a sweet analysis.
Now I'm hoping I'm not making conjecture or inappropriate statements about believers but isn't this love story beautiful?
Yes, I actually like the couple (Moses and his wife). )
But... if 'today' I'm being asked about what is love,
then perhaps this is my reaction... http//emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/crazy-monkey/crazy-monkey-emoticon-181.gif?1292792426
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crap someone said baby don't hurt me.
lolz
love is simple and hate is it's opposite.shaitan and his minions are enemies to you.
you want what is best for the things you love, you want to do the opposite of hurt them, you want to do the opposite of watching them suffer, you want to do the opposite dominating them.
saying like "I got mad love for so and so" are different kinds of love like I want to be among their helpers, while sayings like "I hate that @##^#$" show you want to be among his enemies and defeat-ers. or you want to share in victory with or over them.
there is a verse in the quran about recommending a good cause and sharing therein.
another love is roman love ("roman-tic" we still don't have a word for that seeing how the romans have been defeated and there way of life has passed away, yet they will return (surah rum).
if I were to think of a word it's bonding love, your life is equal to my life is respect, while your life is greater than my life is infatuation, the blending of these two ideals is romantic love after bonding is an objective. your your life is equal too and greater than mine and if our lives were bonded we can share in confort you from my life and I from your life, this is why making heat together is so similar to every dirt love making thing people do (and animals).in this world we were thrown because someone disobeyed almighty god, and it's sweat and toil, hard-work and compared to the garden of abode it's cold and alone, hugging, holding hands, kissing, and all sorts of intercourse and cutsy cuddling is just to transfer a feeling of warmth from one scared and alone creature to the next.
when I see snow I'm reminded of love because snow and cold like loneliness and ice-so-lation (it's so cold it can kill you lolz) push creatures to seek warmth and company, like getting closer to a fire.
like a fire love can burn you and seriously "denature" you, you cook and become cooked for life your nature may change you can become a "#$%#^#^4" lolz,
but it's the need of heat and the flowing of blood that drives us closer to the fire.aren't all you roman-tic "bonding love" hopes and dream built on a bunch of would(wood) any way.
ex I would do anything for .......someone come up with a better word than roman-tic love.
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crap someone said baby don't hurt me.
lolz
love is simple and hate is it's opposite.shaitan and his minions are enemies to you.
you want what is best for the things you love, you want to do the opposite of hurt them, you want to do the opposite of watching them suffer, you want to do the opposite dominating them.
saying like "I got mad love for so and so" are different kinds of love like I want to be among their helpers, while sayings like "I hate that @##^#$" show you want to be among his enemies and defeat-ers. or you want to share in victory with or over them.
there is a verse in the quran about recommending a good cause and sharing therein.
another love is roman love ("roman-tic" we still don't have a word for that seeing how the romans have been defeated and there way of life has passed away, yet they will return (surah rum).
if I were to think of a word it's bonding love, your life is equal to my life is respect, while your life is greater than my life is infatuation, the blending of these two ideals is romantic love after bonding is an objective. your your life is equal too and greater than mine and if our lives were bonded we can share in confort you from my life and I from your life, this is why making heat together is so similar to every dirt love making thing people do (and animals).in this world we were thrown because someone disobeyed almighty god, and it's sweat and toil, hard-work and compared to the garden of abode it's cold and alone, hugging, holding hands, kissing, and all sorts of intercourse and cutsy cuddling is just to transfer a feeling of warmth from one scared and alone creature to the next.
when I see snow I'm reminded of love because snow and cold like loneliness and ice-so-lation (it's so cold it can kill you lolz) push creatures to seek warmth and company, like getting closer to a fire.
like a fire love can burn you and seriously "denature" you, you cook and become cooked for life your nature may change you can become a "#$%#^#^4" lolz,
but it's the need of heat and the flowing of blood that drives us closer to the fire.aren't all you roman-tic "bonding love" hopes and dream built on a bunch of would(wood) any way.
ex I would do anything for .......someone come up with a better word than roman-tic love.
Haha@ "Baby, don't hurt me." That's exactly what I was thinking!
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LOVE
I have always liked the quote "?We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.? Sam Keen, To Love and Be Loved
My favourite expression of this in poem form
http//www.katsandogz.com/onmarriage.htmlMy favourite expression of this in song form
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYMKUtNuw8And of course
"And one of His signs is that He created mates from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He made between you love and mercy; Indeed, in that surely are signs for people who reflect." 3021I like the link to ayat/sign, bearing in mind 4153 also. I have found that it can certainly enhance your spirituality and bring you closer to the divine/God.
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Can science measure love? Atheists love things like all other humans. But can they actually measure it to prove that love exists? If they can't then they should reject love. Love does not exist if science cannot measure it with an apparatus. So how can you deny Allah? You can't measure Allah to prove that Allah exists.
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Peace Invalid777,
Perhaps the reason why science can't measure love is because love is an emotion. And emotions seem to be immeasurable and invisible. Thoughts also seem to be immeasureable and invisible. Perhaps that's why we can't see what others think. Also, the soul/self seems to be immeasureable and invisible. No matter how advanced technology becomes, I think scientists will never be able to measure thoughts and emotions. And no matter how advanced technology becomes, I think scientists will never be able to measure souls.
Just because we can't see or measure something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As you say, we can't measure Allah. But we can feel/sense his presence. Isn't this an undeniable and irrefutable proof that God exists? If God doesn't exist, then why can we feel his presence? These questions are worth thinking about, in my opinion.
From my understanding of the Quran, God is unseen and unseeable.
Quran 594 O you who acknowledge, God will test you with some of the game for hunting, coming within reach of your hands and your spears, so that God will know who reveres Him when unseen. Whoever transgresses after this, then he will have a painful retribution.
Quran 3611 You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reveres the Gracious while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
Quran 2149 Those who revere their Lord, even when unseen, and they are wary of the moment.
Quran 6103 The eyesight cannot reach Him, yet He can reach all eyesight; and He is the Subtle, the Expert.
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Peace Wakas, all,
I have always liked the quote "?We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.? Sam Keen, To Love and Be Loved
I like that quote too. I actually found that quote some days ago while I was reading some quotes. Also, I found another quote about true/real love some days ago. And I like it a lot. The quote goes like this
"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it."
- Rumi
I would like to share two more quotes here. The quotes explain what the meaning of true/real love is.
"When you love someone, you love the person as they are, and not as you?d like them to be."
? Leo Tolstoy"You must understand that love never keeps a man from pursuing his Personal Legend. If he abandons that pursuit, it's because it wasn't a true love.. the love that speaks the language of the world."
- Paulo Coelho
My favourite expression of this in poem form
http//www.katsandogz.com/onmarriage.htmlThanks for sharing the link. I have read parts of what Kahlil Gibran says about love (in the link you shared) by reading one of his quotes, in the past. But as far as I am remember, I hadn't read the chapter "On marriage" until you shared it in your post. I once talked to a very intelligent man (a stranger). He recommended me to read the book "The prophet" by Kahlil Gibran. I have the book in PDF format. I haven't read the whole book yet. I have just read some of it. But I am planning to read the whole book in the future.
My favourite text about the concept of love is this one
https//thevisionweekly.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/shams-of-tabrizs-40-rules-of-love/
The poet Shams Tabrizi, was apparently Rumi's mentor. And his text is very interesting and insightful, in my opinion. If you haven't read his text already, I deeply recommend reading it.
I also recommend these two texts
http//www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=405&chid=4724
https//www.yogananda-srf.org/HowtoLive/Creating_Harmony_in_Our_Relationships_With_Others.aspx
You might find them interesting and insightful.
And of course
"And one of His signs is that He created mates from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He made between you love and mercy; Indeed, in that surely are signs for people who reflect." 3021I think the ayat/sign in verse 3021 is very insightful. And I think there is a sign in verse 2187.
Quran 2187...They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them...
I like the link to ayat/sign, bearing in mind 4153 also. I have found that it can certainly enhance your spirituality and bring you closer to the divine/God.
Interesting. I wonder if it is possible to get/come very close to God and reach a high level of spirituality without ever getting married (i.e. staying single/unmarried for the rest of ones life). As far as I know, there are two verses in the Quran that speaks about what brings people closer to God.
Quran 3437 And it is not your money or your children that will bring you closer to Us, but only those who believe and do good work, they will receive double the reward for their works, and they will reside in the high dwellings in peace.
Quran 999 And from the Nomads are those who believe in God and the Last Day, and he looks upon what he spends to make him closer to God, and the contact prayers of the messenger.It indeed makes them closer. God will admit them in His mercy; God is Forgiving, Merciful.
When it comes to verse 4153, I think there are signs/ayat both in the Quran and outside of the Quran (i.e. within ourselves and in nature/universe).
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LOVE
I have always liked the quote "?We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.? Sam Keen, To Love and Be Loved
"And one of His signs is that He created mates from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He made between you love and mercy; Indeed, in that surely are signs for people who reflect." 3021
+1
It is one of the great signs, for love can exist without any reason.
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It is one of the great signs, for love can exist without any reason.
Especially for dinosaurs. For no reason at all.
By the way, has anyone ever heard of John Lee's 6 love styles? Anyone did the quiz?
http//courses.washington.edu/psii101/geninfo/lovetest.pdf
I did the quiz, I'd pretty much do any quiz. Am unsure of what to make of it. I did find out that I'm not a romantic and that was kinda surprising. Guess it's a bit subjective.
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Especially for dinosaurs. For no reason at all.
Heeeeyyy i maybe old fashioned and old styled but i am not a dinosaur!!
rotfl
