Do you take the Qur'an literally?
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No I am not saying that Allah is following after my will, but Allah is also not a tyrant but very loving and caring. But your thinking concerning the faith is that souls do not exist but God is responsible for 100% of everything that goes on in the world, and I do not agree with this notion.
However, I would agree if you would say that the flesh, including our beast bodies, were sustained by Allah. Allah runs the platform and controls the "Holy Spirit" and it is right to say that if we lift our hand to do something that was by the grace of Allah since Allah "powered" our action, but there is no way you can blame Allah for a malevolent doing. The action is produced by our own willpower and decision. You cannot attribute that to Allah even if Allah is the executor of the action through the flesh. That way both evil and good is from Allah, but Allah is not guilty of the triggering factor, i.e. your decision to make Allah go through with the action. Allah can always choose to stop anything that goes on in the world because of minute control of every atom in the universe since it is merely disguised energy by which the universe is held together. Allah can surely assist in an action we choose to carry out or remote control us if Allah wills so as you said, but then Allah does it for a good cause because only good comes out of Allah. Allah wishes that everyone would be a good person as in Allah's image.
But I disagree with you that there is no other will than Allah, however if Allah wills then it prevails over any other will due to the fact Allah has minute control over the energy that sustains the illusion of this universe. Allah could let no one have any will, but it is not exactly the purpose of this creation and then we would be mere animals and not humans with sophisticated ability for abstract thinking (in limited ways depending on our knowledge and wisdom).
Salaam
You do not know about the mind of an animal I think, you do not even know what is in the mind of your own family members, you only have access to the information you are receiving , so to say they do not think in any abstract ways isn't something you can know for certain I think. Nor can you say that you know best what the "purpose" is when Allah decides the "purpose" and the "purpose" is that Allah does whatever Allah wills and creates whatever Allah wills. Circular, yes, indeed. If you say that Allah has a "need" to do it in a certain way, know that Allah is free of all needs. If you say that Allah has a "reason", know that Allah creates the "reason" and "reasons" and that Allah never really has a "reason" as in a "need" except the "reason" for all things is that Allah wills it and what Allah wills is what IS and will BE and Allah freely decides, not fettered to any information or laws or reasons or needs, but the "reason" anything happens is that Allah creates whatever Allah wills to create, and what Allah creates, all of it, from your thoughts to your deeds, is called "information" which means "that which informs" "Allah informs you of what you do/did/are/were" "that which makes manifest" "manifest news" "manifest knowledge", it is Allah who produces all information, that means all your experiences, be they thoughts or abstract realms of experience, or your sense of will and determination" "Say All is from Allah" "Be it the Good from Allah or the Evil from Yourselves" "All is from Allah" "All is in a decree, before We bring it into existence" "Allah does as Allah wills".
Who is the "trigger" of the "heavens and the earth and all that is in between them"? All of it, leads back to Allah, that Allah created every condition, the stars, the Earth, formed you in the womb, then the circumstances of your life, then the factors which narrow and determine your actions. So even if you can't understand how Allah is the only operative will, can you comprehend how your "freedom" is all based even in the worldly view by many factors which influence your decisions? You see a thing from the corner of your eye, do you even know what influence it might have on you? Do you know or control what the food you eat produces in your body and the chemical reactions? Yet I am not even talking about the worldly view which is deterministic as well, I am talking about you being information, and Allah creating information every moment, and you that information includes your thoughts, or do you create the thoughts? Do you create anything? Are you a creator besides God?
Or is it that you can "make" Allah do things? That you can "make" all "go through with" something? Oh, certainly that is a mighty claim indeed. That you have the power to make Allah support your evil or your good, that you command Allah and demand paradise.
Allah is good and Allah is merciful not "by nature" but "by will", that means Allah chooses to be that, not that Allah is bound to be this or that, that Allah is tied to love and must always be loving, love is strangling God and limiting God and making God fettered. Allah can seem any way that Allah decides to seem to those of his slaves, and there is nothing in any reality that does not come before God as a weak and dependent client and slave, completely bound and fettered by Allah who is unfettered, unconditioned, unbound. You are conditioned. You are fettered. You are bound. Even if you don't accept the "direct" version, then think how you are conditioned by your life's circumstances, from the day you are born you are conditioned by circumstances and events, and you do only what those conditions or the appearance of those conditions have urged you on in. Can you just walk through a wall? No, you can't do anything, you can't just decide what the local store sells, and that you pick potatoes or tomatoes is because of a whole chain of circumstances and influences. So what freedom?
You are never in Allah's image, except when "you" no longer exist. Allah has no image, Allah is the Annihilation of All Information, that Makes Information, Allah does not have any form or appearance nor can you imitate Allah in any real way. If you wish to "return to Allah" then you must cease to experience "individuation" and that is accomplished by suicide.
You do not "make Allah go through" anything, are you a power over Allah? Allah "makes you go through" everything, because Allah "creates what Allah wills" and all this, "you" and "what you are" which is "what you experience" is Allah's creation, there is no difference between "you" and the term "Allah's creation" and "Your experience of self". You can never be Allah, the "assimilation" you seek is total Annihilation of your "self" you can not exist as a partner to Allah or a co-creator within an abstract realm or any of that. "I am in the Master/Originator and the Master/Originator is in me" is ALREADY the Truth, you exist within the domain of information created by Allah and encompassed entirely by Allah, and Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein, even what you deem your own will is the will of Allah, but you do not own or command Allah, Allah owns and commands you, even if you do not realize it.
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Hello truthseeker11,
You seem to be giving a pantheistic vision of God. In that way why pick birds in an exclusive example? Anything can be picked as examples. And why make things so difficult for humans to understand? Allegories after allegories, metaphors after metaphors? Then this Quran is definitely not for a layman reader. Only a person who is already very wise, has very good scientific knowledge, and already has a pantheistic vision of God should read the Quran and string out the individual meanings due to his pre-knowledge. This book (Quran) is not really a book of wisdom then, rather a book you refer to AFTER you are done with other advanced knowledge. I don't understand the purpose of revealing this book so early in 1400, when people were simpler and could not identify real stuff from allegories and metaphors, and read the words straightforward as they were. This book would have hampered a lot of progress if revealed this way then.
Peace.
Check out "panentheism" not "pantheism" but put an "en" in there
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
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You are just looking for something to criticize without even trying to carefully read what I am saying. Passive does not mean weak or whatever delusion you see, passive means to sustain something passively and guide its continuous development. It is likely used as a means historically to describe the innate intelligence in all living cells, often regarded as DNA/RNA.
And in symbiosis with God everything is possible.
I can do anything unless God chooses to stop my action. But God is not responsible for my deeds or behavior. It would be inconsistent.
Have faith
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They attribute to Allah what they hate (for themselves), and their tongues assert the falsehood that all good things are for themselves without doubt for them is the Fire, and they will be the first to be hastened on into it!Sorry, I am not saying this verse is necessarily applying to you, but I found it ironic because you dislike "passivity" in reference to your misunderstanding what I was saying about Ultimate Will and dislike the idea of being passive, and then associate it with Allah, so it reminded me of that, but I'm not saying you are necessarily going to hell or anything.
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Hello truthseeker11,
You seem to be giving a pantheistic vision of God. In that way why pick birds in an exclusive example? Anything can be picked as examples. And why make things so difficult for humans to understand? Allegories after allegories, metaphors after metaphors? Then this Quran is definitely not for a layman reader. Only a person who is already very wise, has very good scientific knowledge, and already has a pantheistic vision of God should read the Quran and string out the individual meanings due to his pre-knowledge. This book (Quran) is not really a book of wisdom then, rather a book you refer to AFTER you are done with other advanced knowledge. I don't understand the purpose of revealing this book so early in 1400, when people were simpler and could not identify real stuff from allegories and metaphors, and read the words straightforward as they were. This book would have hampered a lot of progress if revealed this way then.
Peace.
You're actually right even though you might not mean it in the best way
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Say "Believe in it or do not believe." Behold, those who are already endowed with knowledge fall down upon their faces in prostration as soon as this is conveyed unto them,A test, go prostrate now, if you do not, you are not humble and you have been "proved" as to what you are (the obvious reaction may be "why should I?" and thus it proves what you are, I will go prostrate though).
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If I am misunderstanding your kind of "Ultimate Will", why not make an effort at explaining it, because it ultimately seems that you tell people to passivity because no one has to bother about actions or deeds because it is God who wills them. Individual thoughts are meaningless as far as I can understand. The reason why I say the things I say to you is because you cause a lot of inconsistency concerning logic just to propagate your religion.
Salaam
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The Qur'an is for all, even the very knowledgeable and evolved ones. Where do you put a line between those who would understand many things, and those that would understand fewer. Where do you put the line between what you understand when you twenty with and what you understand at 80 without effort. And not to forget, since knowledge is not particular but collective, when one in a society knows something, the society knows something and benefits from that knowledge to a greater or a lesser extent.
Yes Qur'an is for all people who want it. As simple as that. If somebody does not want it, just leave it, but seems incredibly self-seeking that because one does not get this or that or so so much should ask that that is not said because that person or many persons even cannot understand it. Tehere are many things many people do nto understand, but it does nto mean that they will not understand one day or that many other people understand it. If we did that, instead animal having evolved from les complex ones to for instance us, we should evolving backwards from humans to amebas. We shoul only print what amebas can understand. I like that. I like a classroom full of amebas.
Salaam
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If I am misunderstanding your kind of "Ultimate Will", why not make an effort at explaining it, because it ultimately seems that you tell people to passivity because no one has to bother about actions or deeds because it is God who wills them. Individual thoughts are meaningless as far as I can understand. The reason why I say the things I say to you is because you cause a lot of inconsistency concerning logic just to propagate your religion.
Salaam
I fully agree with Man of Faith. I don't understand this "Ultimate Will" idea either. I could go trip over people randomly and say it is "Allah" who made me do so, and it was written in the other person's "fate" to be tripped over.
Peace.
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Hello Samira,
You seem to be giving a pantheistic vision of God.
No I am giving a panentheistic vision of the infinite Creator.
From reading some of your other posts I can see that you have a little confusion between pantheism and panentheism. I will attempt to clarify this issue in the simplest possible manner.
Pantheism God = all universe, or all universe = God (God is identical to all universe or all universe composes God. Supported by some Asian religions).
Panentheism has 2 distinct versions
Panentheism Version A God = all universe + beyond all universe (all universe is a manifestation of a tiny part of the infinite Creator. Supported by quantum physics and E=m times c squared, and some positive higher density channelings such as Ra channeling and Aaron channeling).
Panentheism Version B God interpenetrates/encompasses all universe and also present beyond all universe, but all universe is distinct from God (Supported by al-quran which is a mixture of positive higher density channeling from Gabriel for the most part, mixed with negative 5th density channeling from entities residing in Orion Constellation).
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
"Pantheism is the belief that the universe (or nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
"In pantheism, the universe in the first formulation is practically the whole itself, while in panentheism, the universe and the divine are not ontologically equivalent. God is viewed as the eternal animating force maintaining the universe. Some versions suggest that the universe is nothing more than the manifest part of God. In some forms of panentheism, the cosmos exists within God, who in turn "transcends", "pervades" or is "in" the cosmos.
While pantheism asserts that 'All is God', panentheism goes further to claim that God is greater than the universe."
Based on real world evidence, mind/reason, and conscience, I currently believe in panentheism version A and not the quraanic panentheism version B. Panentheism version A gives the vision of an infinite Creator, whereas panentheism version B gives the vision of a finite Creator, because even though the Creator encompasses/interpenetrates all universe, it is still distinct from all universe. Since I believe that the Creator is infinite, and I have a basic knowledge of quantum physics, I can easily reject panentheism version B.
The bird example in al-quran actually supports both versions of panentheism.
In that way why pick birds in an exclusive example? Anything can be picked as examples.
Birds were arbitrarily picked because birds are some of "anything" and "everything" could not have been picked as an example all at once P It would have been very difficult to name all creation one by one to give examples, and keep the size of the book manageable P
On a more serious note, I think birds were picked because flight in air is a little harder to understand than movement on earth or in water.
And why make things so difficult for humans to understand? Allegories after allegories, metaphors after metaphors? Then this Quran is definitely not for a layman reader. Only a person who is already very wise, has very good scientific knowledge, and already has a pantheistic vision of God should read the Quran and string out the individual meanings due to his pre-knowledge. This book (Quran) is not really a book of wisdom then, rather a book you refer to AFTER you are done with other advanced knowledge. I don't understand the purpose of revealing this book so early in 1400, when people were simpler and could not identify real stuff from allegories and metaphors, and read the words straightforward as they were. This book would have hampered a lot of progress if revealed this way then.
Remember al-quran is meant for all audiences for all times, some audiences with more advanced knowledge and understanding than others.
Please allow me to give the analogy of a school with classes from grade 1 to grade 8. Imagine a single text book meant for all classes. Some chapters/parts/sentences of that book will be very easy and simple to understand because they are meant for all students, grade 1 through grade 8, and some parts of that book will be harder to understand because they are meant only for grade 8 students.
Our 3rd density state of existence is exactly like taking various classes and learning various lessons in a school. The most important classes/lessons, are the lessons of doing good works ("service to others" according to Ra), faith/trust in the infinite Creator ("the law of one" according to Ra), and faith in the last day (the time of "harvest" according to Ra), which are relatively easy to understand. Anyone who is able to learn these lessons, will be able to graduate into the positive 4th density state of existence (the quraanic "heaven", even if he/she flunks all the other lessons!
In my personal opinion, the allegorical parts of al-quran might be meant only for those with very advanced knowledge, OR could be part of the negative higher density Orion channeling meant to confuse us. Either way, those parts are not necessary for advancement into the positive 4th density state of existence
262 Surely those who have faith/trust; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them has faith in the infinite Creator and the last day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.
For now, it would be more prudent and practical to focus only on those parts of al-quran dealing with the above 3 lessons and implement those lessons in our lives, and move on to the detailed study of the more advanced parts later.
Peace and may the love and light of the infinite Creator be with you all.
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I fully agree with Man of Faith. I don't understand this "Ultimate Will" idea either. I could go trip over people randomly and say it is "Allah" who made me do so, and it was written in the other person's "fate" to be tripped over.
Peace.
That would be correct. Do you think you can go do anything if it is not the will of Allah that you do it? Why don't you read my posts and you'll see how many times the Qur'an makes this clear.
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No evil befalls on the earth nor in yourselves, but it is in a decree before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to AllahI have given so many examples throughout the website and quotes from the Qur'an, you can so easily find those by clicking my name and seeing all my posts.
Yet what does it matter at all what the Qur'an says? If the Qur'an didn't say it, I would still be teaching this message if I was made to understand it.
If you don't like the Qur'an, then why even concern yourself with anything it says?
Going and tripping a person doesn't mean that it is good for you to do that, it only proves that you are bad if you do bad things, and proves that you are good if you do good things, and bad people have the habitation of hell, and good people have the habitation of paradise.
When there is a tiny thing like an early stage of a fetus, do you know what it is? Is it evident or proven or made manifest that it is a human or a lizard or a fish when it is in its earliest stages? No, but then it is proven and made manifest that it is a human or a lizard or a fish by how it develops in stages, and so too is it made clear to everyone and oneself who is a kaffir and who is a muslim, each is a creature of Allah. Does this not make sense to you either? It is very simple and consistent. So the fish lives in the sea, the kaffir lives in hell, and the muslim lives in paradise, each created, each have their habitation determined.
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Freedom,
But it was not her choice to go around tripping people as per your own logic. You even fail to reason within your scope now.
Salaam
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Freedom,
But it was not her choice to go around tripping people as per your own logic. You even fail to reason within your scope now.
Salaam
You don't seem to understand at all. Are you blocked from understanding, or will you come to understand? Certainly on the immediate level it appears to be her decisions and what she does, but on the Ultimate level of greater knowledge, we know it is Allah who does it, so knowing this gives great patience in adversity, because our communication is with Allah ultimately, and Allah creates everything that happens
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In like manner We have made for every prophet an opponent, Satans from among men and jinn, who make evil suggestions to each other by means of specious words in order to deceivehad it been your Lords will, they would not have done so; so leave them alone to their inventions,2531
For so it is that against every prophet We have set up enemies from among those who are lost in sin yet none can guide and give succour as thy Sustainer does!1539
Iblis said My Lord! Because Thou hadst led me into error I will, certainly, make the earth appear pleasing to them and I will lead them one and all into error,Iblis is the slave of Allah like all things are the slave of Allah the "voodoo dolls" as you put it, he is created by Allah and Allah made him everything he is and will be.
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Satan said Because Thou hadst led me into error, certainly, I will sit in ambush for them on Thy path, one that is straight.488
How, then, could you be of two minds about the hypocrites, seeing that God has disowned them because of their guilt? Do you, perchance, seek to guide those whom God has caused to err - when for him whom God causes to err thou canst never find any way.7186
Whomsoever Allah causes to err, there is no guide for him; and He leaves them in their continued state of inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
Can you understand that I am not saying that we don't have the immediate appearance of will and that it is important to strive to do the best you can? Yet it is actually Allah who wills if you do or you don't, you have no power of your own
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Thy Lord bringeth to pass what He willeth and chooseth. They have never any freedom of choice. Glorified be Allah and Exalted above all that they associate!7630
But you cannot will it unless God wills for, behold, God is indeed all-seeing, wise.8129
But you cannot will it unless God, the Lord of the Universe, so wills it3936
IS NOT God enough for His servant? And yet, they would frighten thee with those beside Him! But he whom God causes to err can never find any guide,
And whomever God guides, there is not for him anyone who leads astray. Is not God Almighty, The Possessor of Requital?
And thus it is if thou ask them, ?Who is it that has created the heavens and the earth?? - they will surely answer, ?God.? Say ?Have you, then, ever considered what it is that you invoke instead of God? If God wills that harm should befall me, could those remove the harm inflicted by Him? Or, if He wills that grace should alight on me, could they withhold His grace ?? Say ?God is enough for me! In Him place their trust all who have trust .?
Say O my people! Act in your manner. Lo! I (too) am acting. Thus ye will come to know"
You will only do what Allah has made you to do and you will only be what Allah has made you to be, you are not the creator of information, nor are you a self made man.
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But as for him who is niggardly, and thinks that he is self-sufficient,
and calls the best a lie ? (hopefully not you?)
We will make falling into difficulty easy for him.
And his substance will avail him not when he perisheth.
Verily We take upon Ourselves to guide,
and, behold, Ours is the life to come as well as this earlier part
Therefor have I warned you of the flaming Fire
which none shall have to endure but that most hapless wretch
Who gives the lie and turns his back.944
And We have upraised for thee thy renown.Every single aspect of life is constantly created by God, but that is just the higher reality or higher truth, if you can not comprehend it, and can not comprehend that you are surrendered to Be what Allah says you will Be and Allah creates whatever Allah wills (be it the suffering worm, the retarded child, or anything else that exists as information), then know that regardless, in the apparent and immediate level it is clear that we must do what we can do for the best results, but behind all that may come to pass and all that we may do is actually the Decree and Words of Allah who is writing this tale entirely from beginning to end
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Well according to your reasoning it does not matter what you do because it is not for you to decide. It was God who made her trip you.
Please you need to follow your logic all out and not just say A and not B.
Salaam
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That would be correct. Do you think you can go do anything if it is not the will of Allah that you do it? Why don't you read my posts and you'll see how many times the Qur'an makes this clear.
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No evil befalls on the earth nor in yourselves, but it is in a decree before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to AllahGoing and tripping a person doesn't mean that it is good for you to do that, it only proves that you are bad if you do bad things, and proves that you are good if you do good things, and bad people have the habitation of hell, and good people have the habitation of paradise.
You clearly contradicted yourself here FreedomStands. According to your logic it was not me but Allah's will. Checkmate, buddy. Gotcha ;D
Freedom,
But it was not her choice to go around tripping people as per your own logic. You even fail to reason within your scope now.
Salaam
Yup. FreedomStands, you may be a decent person in general, but you keep contradicting yourself with your lengthy and confusing words.
You don't seem to understand at all. Are you blocked from understanding, or will you come to understand? Certainly on the immediate level it appears to be her decisions and what she does, but on the Ultimate level of greater knowledge, we know it is Allah who does it, so knowing this gives great patience in adversity, because our communication is with Allah ultimately, and Allah creates everything that happens
Oh God. This is going in circles now.
Peace.
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Well according to your reasoning it does not matter what you do because it is not for you to decide. It was God who made her trip you.
Please you need to follow your logic all out and not just say A and not B.
Salaam
Please don't ignore what I wrote above. I am not ignoring what you wrote or are writing.
Yes, on the Ultimate level it is God who does and creates anything (look at the post above your post), but on the immediate level it was clearly "the bird flies, the woman laughs, the child kicked" but on the ultimate level Allah is willing and choosing and painting the whole picture and writing the whole book and all these are the words of Allah, information created by Allah. Read above please. Why can't you understand this simple message? I am not denying the obvious appearance of will and desire, but all such things are created by Allah and controlled by Allah, even if you don't realize it, go look above where it says Allah is setting up these enemies and armies and those who oppose, and Allah leads them astray and all of it. If you hate the Qur'an, then don't blame me for it, go look above your post to see what it says.
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Please don't ignore what I wrote above. I am not ignoring what you wrote or are writing.
Yes, on the Ultimate level it is God who does and creates anything (look at the post above your post), but on the immediate level it was clearly "the bird flies, the woman laughs, the child kicked" but on the ultimate level Allah is willing and choosing and painting the whole picture and writing the whole book and all these are the words of Allah, information created by Allah. Read above please. Why can't you understand this simple message? I am not denying the obvious appearance of will and desire, but all such things are created by Allah and controlled by Allah, even if you don't realize it, go look above where it says Allah is setting up these enemies and armies and those who oppose, and Allah leads them astray and all of it. If you hate the Qur'an, then don't blame me for it, go look above your post to see what it says.
FreedomStands is a big fat giant monyet.
(Monyet is a Malay word).Yeah, Allah made me write that.
Yaba daba doo.
Allah made me write that too.FreedomStands is messed up in regards to the logic on God and goes around in circles with his speech.
Allah made me write that too.Hence there are so many things I can write but I am withholding because of my own self-restraint, NOTHING ELSE. But then. apparently it is still Allah who is pulling the strings behind it all.
Yaba daba doo.
Peace.
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Why would I hate Quran? Just bad translations I dislike.
Salaam
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You clearly contradicted yourself here FreedomStands. According to your logic it was not me but Allah's will. Checkmate, buddy. Gotcha ;D
Yup. FreedomStands, you may be a decent person in general, but you keep contradicting yourself with your lengthy and confusing words.
Oh God. This is going in circles now.
Peace.
Read this Samira, http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607118.msg361787#msg361787 there was no checkmate, except you're already at a loss if you can not understand.
I am saying that on the immediate level it is clearly us doing each of these things, the bird flies, the fish swims, the man walks, but on the Ultimate level it is Allah writing the whole story, just like in a book you might right "Charlie walked to the grocery store, and saw a piece of paper and felt sad". Do you understand? Charlie in the story doesn't necessarily know that Allah is writing his whole life and Charlie doesn't see what is in his future or that the end of the story says "Charlie murdered his wife and his children", and Allah makes it clear that it is Allah who kills, Allah who makes laugh, Allah who makes weep, Allah who wills (you can not will), I demonstrate it over and over. Allah determines who dies and who lives and when and how they die and when and how they live, you never chose any of it, even though the story says "Charlie decided to pick up the paper, he thought, I should give this to Mary" Allah is writing the story, but we don't have access to that nor can we write it or do we share in the power of Allah, that doesn't mean on our immediate level of appearance we should not strive.
There was no contradiction, there was no error, it is just something that people might find hard to understand, and reply in a silly way to the idea. "Samira would not understand, she wrote (writes every specific word and how you might fart in private)" This is all Allah writing it, so if Allah guides you, it is Allah who wrote it, and if Allah causes you to err, it is Allah who wrote it, Allah can write "Samira's eyes were opened, she suddenly understands, she smiled and felt sad for having attacked FreedomStands, FreedomStands replied kindly, and was overjoyed inside that she finally understood, and praised Allah for making her know" as only Allah can. Please read those posts and you will see even the enemies are set up by Allah, Allah is writing the whole story, but on the immediate level we appearing to do it and are doing it, we are made to do, and thus Allah writes that some will strive and will good things, others will do bad things, and Allah creates whatever Allah wants to create, from the retarded baby to the mutilated fish to the kaffir headed for hell who is cruel to the muslim who does good. Allah has power over everything absolutely. Allah created you as a slave and all information is the slave of Allah willingly or unwillingly.
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Why would I hate Quran? Just bad translations I dislike.
Salaam
The Qur'an has a pretty consistent message throughout and I've shown you numerous quotes. What I explained to Samira just now applies to you too, simply read what I'm writing, it can't possibly be so hard to comprehend! Yet even the lack of comprehension is a miracle! Really it is simple, and does not defy the appearance of "free will".
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Read this Samira, http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607118.msg361787#msg361787 there was no checkmate, except you're already at a loss if you can not understand.
My loss is also dictated by Allah then. It is you who is don't understand and keep contradicting yourself.
There was no contradiction, there was no error, it is just something that people might find hard to understand, and reply in a silly way to the idea. "Samira would not understand, she wrote (writes every specific word and how you might fart in private)" This is all Allah writing it, so if Allah guides you, it is Allah who wrote it, and if Allah causes you to err, it is Allah who wrote it
People finding it hard to understand is also dictated by Allah, so you are getting irritated for no reason (unless the irritation is also by Allah? Man, this God reallly like his detailed roleplays). So hence you rebelling against me is also rebelling against Allah's will (unless the double rebellion is also by Allah? Awesome).
Allah can write "Samira's eyes were opened, she suddenly understands, she smiled and felt sad for having attacked FreedomStands, FreedomStands replied kindly, and was overjoyed inside that she finally understood, and praised Allah for making her know" as only Allah can.
I don't care about understanding, since everything is already dictated by Allah and is Allah's will to make me understand or not to understand. And if you reply back to me on this, you are rebelling against Allah Himself, since Allah made me write these words.
So easy to debunk such things right away. Now nothing is my fault, I can say anything I want to FreedomStands and he technically shouldn't say anything back, since everything is already dictated by Allah. Woot.
Peace.
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The Qur'an has a pretty consistent message throughout and I've shown you numerous quotes. What I explained to Samira just now applies to you too, simply read what I'm writing, it can't possibly be so hard to comprehend! Yet even the lack of comprehension is a miracle! Really it is simple, and does not defy the appearance of "free will".
Why you trying to make him comprehend? That shows you are trying to appeal to Man of Faith's free will itself. I wish you could see how you keep contradicting yourself. You don't believe in free will, yet write lengthy statements to appeal to other people's free will.
Peace.