Hot/"ramadan" Answer

mohamad_itani

seid has a point about sinnean and hisab ,
even if he is mistaken he has done a good job by looking at this,he has an open mind.
i salute you seaid
thanks
you have a point i will look into this

ayman

Peace brother Eid,

Thank you for that concise reply and sanat seems to fit perfectly with concept of time in general...
Here are verses for reference...

I agree that "sanat" fits in the concept of time in general. I would like to add that it is the concept of measuring time via a general natural cycle. On the other hand "aam" seems to be related to specific manmade calendars.

So the formula for Noah is

1000 natural cycles - 50 calendar cycles

I don't know what this formula implies. Perhaps time on the arc time passed differently than on earth.

Peace,

Ayman

Umm_Tariq

Salaamun alaikum,

I know it's been a long while since I have been on this board. Still haven't completed the project I wanted to do about so called quotes of Muhammad in hadith books vs. his quotes in the god's book but still intend to.

Anyway, just wanted to know Ayman if you could post the list you made of shahr ramadan months for several years. I had it saved but have since lost it when we moved.

I'd appreciate it.

Umm Tariq

unknownuser

Peace brother Eid,

I agree that "sanat" fits in the concept of time in general. I would like to add that it is the concept of measuring time via a general natural cycle. On the other hand "aam" seems to be related to specific manmade calendars.

So the formula for Noah is

1000 natural cycles - 50 calendar cycles

I don't know what this formula implies. Perhaps time on the arc time passed differently than on earth.

Peace,

Ayman

Peace Ayman,

I?m still looking into this which it seems that different words could be used to describe a natural time cycle versus an event (point in time). Puzzling is the last line in Perf558 contains both sanat and shahr ?

http//oi54.tinypic.com/2z811j6.jpg

shahr Jumada the first from sanat two and twenty and writing his ibn hadiduw

Although seems very suspicious like an attempt by someone clever inscribing modern Arabic script into the document to prove a point which it?s the only text from that time to contain dotting. Notice also the spacing ? why start writing in between Greek text when there was plenty of room left at the bottom?

On a side note; was vacationing last week in the south coast of Turkey and the room was built high on a hill and perhaps a sign exactly aligned same as the sleepers in the cave got to see the sun when it rose inclining away from the right and when it set passing away to the left ...

http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=18&verse=17

Peace

unknownuser

Peace -- it maybe helpful to understanding the use of alif at beginning of some words to denote plural and at end which the closest translation is like the word "for" in English.

11 singular

2185 shr Ramadan that was revealed in it the Quran
2185 so who shahida from you al-shr so he should fast it
2194 al-shr al-harm
2194 in al-shr al-harm
2217 they ask you about al-shr al-harm fighting in it
52 not violate rites Allah and not al-shr al-harm
597 and al-shr al-harm
936 indeed count al-shwr with Allah (notice wa?)
3412 and to Sulaiman the wind its morning course shr
3412 and its afternoon course shr
973 night the power better than thousand shr

2 dual
492 and who not find so fasting shryn mutatbiayni
584 so who not find so fasting shryn mutatbiayni

8 plural

2197 the hajj ashr (plural) well known
2226 to who swear from their women waiting four ashr (plural)
2234 and leave wives should wait with themselves four ashr (plural) and for ten wAsra
92 so move about in the land four ashr (plural)
95 so when have passed al-ashr (plural)
654 the menstruation from your women if you doubt so their count three ashr (plural)
936 (is) for twelve shra
4615 and We have enjoined the mankind in his parents kindness. Carried him his mother hardship and gave birth to him hardship. And carrying of him and his separation for thirty shra until when he reaches asdh and reaches forty snh he says, "My Lord ...

7 singular

2259 hundred Aam
2259 He said, ?No, you remained hundred Aam
928 Aamhm (theirs)
9126 do not they see that they are tried in every Aam once or twice?
1249 then comes from after that Aam in it will be given abundant rain..."
937 they make it allowed for Aama
937 and make it prohibited for Aama

3114 and his separation in Aamyn

2914 and verily, We sent Noah to his people and he remained among them thousand snh only for fifty Aama
50 x 12 lunar months = 48.5112456 solar years
1,000 snh is probably non literal for numerous times like saying ?We warned them a thousand times.?

701-4 asked a questioner about a punishment bound to happen to the disbelievers not of it any preventer from Allah owner the ways of ascent. Ascend al-malikatu wal-ru to Him in a day/time is its measure fifty thousand snh 705 So be patient...

ayman

I know it's been a long while since I have been on this board. Still haven't completed the project I wanted to do about so called quotes of Muhammad in hadith books vs. his quotes in the god's book but still intend to.
Anyway, just wanted to know Ayman if you could post the list you made of shahr ramadan months for several years. I had it saved but have since lost it when we moved.
I'd appreciate it.

Peace sister and it is good to see you back on the forum.

I think that the list is probably somewhere on the thread. The full-moon after the summer solstice will occur on July 15 this year.

The rule for determining when exactly the full moon occurs is given clearly by the following signs
8416. So I do swear by the redness of dusk.
8417. And the night and what it enshrouds.
8418. And the moon when it becomes symmetric.

So after sunset when the sky is glowing red and the night enshrouds the sky from the opposite direction from this direction the full symmetric moon appears.

This year this will happen on July 15. So on July 15th shortly after sunset and from the opposite direction of its red afterglow the full moon will appear.

It is not the nearly full-moon on July 14th since this one will appear before sunset. It also cannot be the one on July 16th because it will appear long after sunset.

This same rule can be consistently applied every year. You can get the data about the moon and the sun from this link
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace brother Eid,

I?m still looking into this which it seems that different words could be used to describe a natural time cycle versus an event (point in time). Puzzling is the last line in Perf558 contains both sanat and shahr ?
shahr Jumada the first from sanat two and twenty and writing his ibn hadiduw
Although seems very suspicious like an attempt by someone clever inscribing modern Arabic script into the document to prove a point which it?s the only text from that time to contain dotting. Notice also the spacing ? why start writing in between Greek text when there was plenty of room left at the bottom?

I think that you make some valid observations. It seems that the Arabic was added by a different scribe after the Greek was written. This is also seen in the difference of the wear between the Arabic and Greek text. However, it is probable that the Arabic was added very shortly after the Greek was written within a few days or weeks. However, I disagree that this is a clever attempt by someone to deceive. If they wanted to deceive then they wouldn't choose such a mundane text as the vehicle. Also, the research and disagreements about dotting is a modern debate. I do agree that the practice of forging documents was very much widespread in the so-called Islamic empire and we actually have many examples of blatant forgeries such as the letters supposedly sent by Mohamed to leaders of the ancient world.

On a side note; was vacationing last week in the south coast of Turkey and the room was built high on a hill and perhaps a sign exactly aligned same as the sleepers in the cave got to see the sun when it rose inclining away from the right and when it set passing away to the left ...
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=18&verse=17

Yes. This would indicate that the cave had southern exposure.

Peace,

Ayman

truthseeker171

Peace sister and it is good to see you back on the forum.

I think that the list is probably somewhere on the thread. The full-moon after the summer solstice will occur on July 15 this year.

The rule for determining when exactly the full moon occurs is given clearly by the following signs
8416. So I do swear by the redness of dusk.
8417. And the night and what it enshrouds.
8418. And the moon when it becomes symmetric.

So after sunset when the sky is glowing red and the night enshrouds the sky from the opposite direction from this direction the full symmetric moon appears.

This year this will happen on July 15. So on July 15th shortly after sunset and from the opposite direction of its red afterglow the full moon will appear.

It is not the nearly full-moon on July 14th since this one will appear before sunset. It also cannot be the one on July 16th because it will appear long after sunset.

This same rule can be consistently applied every year. You can get the data about the moon and the sun from this link
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/

Peace

Both on 14th of July and 15th of July, the moon rises before sunset in for instance London, Great-Britain.
15th of July - in the table below.

This means that the above given interpretation of verses 8416-18 is not correct, or at least not valid everywhere on earth.
Furthermore the night that enshrouds is rather a while after sunset - when the darkness really starts, with the first stars - that is after the moonrise in July.

Truthseeker

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for London (longitude E0.2, latitude N51.5)

Friday
15 July 2011 Universal Time + 1h

SUN
Begin civil twilight 0414
Sunrise 0459
Sun transit 1305
Sunset 2111
End civil twilight 2155

MOON
Moonrise 2032 on preceding day
Moon transit 0049
Moonset 0512
Moonrise 2103
Moonset 0626 on following day

Full Moon on 15 July 2011 at 0740 (Universal Time + 1h).

ayman

Both on 14th of July and 15th of July, the moon rises before sunset in for instance London, Great-Britain.
15th of July - in the table below.
This means that the above given interpretation of verses 8416-18 is not correct, or at least not valid everywhere on earth.
Furthermore the night that enshrouds is rather a while after sunset - when the darkness really starts, with the first stars - that is after the moonrise in July.

From http//aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/RST_defs.php

Sunrise and sunset conventionally refer to the times when the upper edge of the disk of the Sun is on the horizon, considered unobstructed relative to the location of interest. Atmospheric conditions are assumed to be average, and the location is in a level region on the Earth's surface.
Moonrise and moonset times are computed for exactly the same circumstances as for sunrise and sunset.

Please see the detailed data below (specifically the times marked in red), which shows that the full-moon will technically appear at almost the same time the sun disappears and not before the sun by 8 minutes as you indicated. According to the data, 2105 is when the full-moon upper edge appears (not the whole symmetric full moon as the great reading clearly states). Now keeping in mind that the full-moon (and the sun) angular width is 0.5 degrees, by the time the entire full-moon appears over the horizon it will be about 2010 and the sun would be below the horizon. Also, keep in mind that due to haze on the horizon and uneven terrain, even in a flat desert the full-moon will practically not be visible until it is 1-2 degrees above the horizon. So under the best circumstances it would be around 2120 when Londoners would see the full-moon. As I previously said, as far as I know, this is true anywhere on earth except in extreme latitudes where the sun doesn?t set.

From http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php

LONDON E 0 10, N51 30
Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun
Jul 15, 2011
Zone 1h East of Greenwich
Altitude Azimuth
(E of N)
2030 4.6 299.5
2035 4.0 300.5
2040 3.3 301.4
2045 2.7 302.4
2050 2.1 303.3
2055 1.5 304.3
2100 0.9 305.3
2105 0.4 306.2
2110 -0.8 307.2
2115 -1.4 308.2
2120 -2.0 309.2
2125 -2.6 310.2
2130 -3.2 311.2

LONDON E 0 10, N51 30
Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
Jul 15, 2011
Zone 1h East of Greenwich
Altitude Azimuth Fraction
(E of N) Illuminated
2030 -5.4 112.3 1.00
2035 -4.7 113.2 1.00
2040 -4.0 114.1 1.00
2045 -3.3 115.1 1.00
2050 -2.6 116.0 1.00
2055 -1.9 116.9 1.00
2100 -1.3 117.9 1.00
2105 -0.0 118.8 1.00
2110 0.6 119.7 1.00
2115 1.1 120.7 1.00
2120 1.7 121.6 1.00
2125 2.3 122.6 1.00
2130 2.9 123.6 1.00

unknownuser

From http//aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/RST_defs.php
Please see the detailed data below (specifically the times marked in red), which shows that the full-moon will technically appear at almost the same time the sun disappears and not before the sun by 8 minutes as you indicated. According to the data, 2105 is when the full-moon upper edge appears (not the whole symmetric full moon as the great reading clearly states). Now keeping in mind that the full-moon (and the sun) angular width is 0.5 degrees, by the time the entire full-moon appears over the horizon it will be about 2010 and the sun would be below the horizon. Also, keep in mind that due to haze on the horizon and uneven terrain, even in a flat desert the full-moon will practically not be visible until it is 1-2 degrees above the horizon. So under the best circumstances it would be around 2120 when Londoners would see the full-moon. As I previously said, as far as I know, this is true anywhere on earth except in extreme latitudes where the sun doesn?t set.

Peace Ayman,

180 degrees, 12 hours sunrise to sunset, 15 degrees/hour or 2 minutes for the sun's 1/2 degree to set.

It depends on location...

http//www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/rs-one-day-us

http//home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/fullmoon.htm

Sort check dates for full moon after summer solstice June 21st. Here is Chicago...

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department

Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Chicago, Cook County, Illinois (longitude W87.7, latitude N41.9)
Thursday
11 July 1957 Central Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 352 a.m.
Sunrise 425 a.m.
Sun transit 1156 a.m.
Sunset 726 p.m.
End civil twilight 800 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 623 p.m. on preceding day
Moonset 418 a.m.
Moonrise 704 p.m.
Moon transit 1208 a.m. on following day
Moonset 516 a.m. on following day

Full Moon on 11 July 1957 at 450 p.m. Central Standard Time.

22 minutes Moonrise before Sunsets

3 July 1993 Central Daylight Time
Sunset 829 p.m.
Moonrise 815 p.m.

14 minutes Moonrise before Sunset

Few observations
973 night the power better than thousand shr
It's more precise, as better than single shr amplified 1000. Not written as 1000 ashr plural.

If calculating full moon or month, carrying him <= 6 lunar months; i.e. after 12 weeks weight is felt.

Using word substitution?
4615 and carrying him and his separation (for) thirty shra
3114 and his separation <= Aamyn (2 x 12 lunar months)

30 shra - 24 lunar months his separation <= 6 lunar months carrying him

truthseeker171

From http//aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/RST_defs.php
Please see the detailed data below (specifically the times marked in red), which shows that the full-moon will technically appear at almost the same time the sun disappears and not before the sun by 8 minutes as you indicated. According to the data, 2105 is when the full-moon upper edge appears (not the whole symmetric full moon as the great reading clearly states). Now keeping in mind that the full-moon (and the sun) angular width is 0.5 degrees, by the time the entire full-moon appears over the horizon it will be about 2010 and the sun would be below the horizon. Also, keep in mind that due to haze on the horizon and uneven terrain, even in a flat desert the full-moon will practically not be visible until it is 1-2 degrees above the horizon. So under the best circumstances it would be around 2120 when Londoners would see the full-moon. As I previously said, as far as I know, this is true anywhere on earth except in extreme latitudes where the sun doesn?t set.

Peace

The more one gets to the North the longer the time appears to be between the rise of the full moon and the sunset.
For instance Edinburgh

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department
Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Edinburgh (longitude W3.2, latitude N55.9)
Friday
15 July 2011 Universal Time + 1h

SUN
Begin civil twilight 0352
Sunrise 0448
Sun transit 1319
Sunset 2149
End civil twilight 2245

MOON
Moonrise 2109 on preceding day
Moon transit 0103
Moonset 0505
Moonrise 2135
Moonset 0624 on following day

Full Moon on 15 July 2011 at 0740 (Universal Time + 1h).

This shows that there is not a general valid sequence, for places with sunset, that can be deduced from verses 8416-18.
May be more to the South there would be a more consequent sequence of first the sunset and then the rise of the full moon.

But the wording -the night and what it enshrouds- of verse 8417 disproves a possible sequence of events. The time just after sunset is a part of the -nahar- not of the -lail-, because just after sunset actually there is no darkness to cover things from sight. The full moon is already visible before the actual darkness is starting.

Anyway in the wording of verses 8416-18 one can not find a linkage with the start of the fasting.

Peace,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.

unknownuser

Peace all,

If data is gathered for past traditional months of Ramadan and 1st visible full moon ...

http//www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/rs-one-day-us

Ramadan in 2011 will start on Monday, the 1st of August
Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Anchorage, Anchorage Borough, Alaska (longitude W149.9, latitude N61.2)
Saturday
13 August 2011 Alaska Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 506 a.m.
Sunrise 602 a.m.
Sun transit 204 p.m.
Sunset 1004 p.m.
End civil twilight 1100 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 913 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 142 a.m.
Moonset 624 a.m.
Moonrise 922 p.m.
Moonset 747 a.m. on following day

Full Moon on 13 August 2011 at 1058 a.m. Alaska Daylight Time.

The following information is provided for Chicago, Cook County, Illinois (longitude W87.7, latitude N41.9)

Saturday
13 August 2011 Central Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 526 a.m.
Sunrise 557 a.m.
Sun transit 1256 p.m.
Sunset 754 p.m.
End civil twilight 824 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 707 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 1225 a.m.
Moonset 551 a.m.
Moonrise 735 p.m.
Moonset 653 a.m. on following day

Full Moon on 13 August 2011 at 158 p.m. Central Daylight Time.

The following information is provided for Mauna Loa, Maui County, Hawaii (longitude W157.2, latitude N21.1)

Friday
12 August 2011 Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 543 a.m.
Sunrise 607 a.m.
Sun transit 1234 p.m.
Sunset 701 p.m.
End civil twilight 724 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 541 p.m. on preceding day
Moonset 511 a.m.
Moonrise 622 p.m.
Moon transit 1212 a.m. on following day
Moonset 605 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 12 August waxing gibbous with 99% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

Full Moon on 13 August 2011 at 858 a.m. (Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time).

http//oi51.tinypic.com/v8g00x.jpg

2185 shr (full moon) Ra-Mim-Dad -- to be blasted by the sun. (both visible at same time)

936 indeed count al-shwr with Allah (for) twelve shra
937 they make it allowed (for) Aama and make it prohibited (for) Aama

I've checked prior years and believe the above pattern continues indefinetly...

Ramadan 2010 11th of August
Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Anchorage, Anchorage Borough, Alaska (longitude W149.9, latitude N61.2)
Wednesday
22 September 2010 Alaska Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 701 a.m.
Sunrise 744 a.m.
Sun transit 152 p.m.
Sunset 759 p.m.
End civil twilight 842 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 707 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 104 a.m.
Moonset 721 a.m.
Moonrise 710 p.m.
Moonset 841 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 22 September waxing gibbous with 100% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.
Full Moon on 23 September 2010 at 118 a.m. Alaska Daylight Time.

The following information is provided for Chicago, Cook County, Illinois (longitude W87.7, latitude N41.9)
Wednesday
22 September 2010 Central Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 610 a.m.
Sunrise 638 a.m.
Sun transit 1243 p.m.
Sunset 648 p.m.
End civil twilight 716 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 548 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 1149 p.m. on preceding day
Moonset 558 a.m.
Moonrise 610 p.m.
Moonset 658 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 22 September waxing gibbous with 99% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.
Full Moon on 23 September 2010 at 418 a.m. Central Daylight Time.

The following information is provided for Mauna Loa, Maui County, Hawaii (longitude W157.2, latitude N21.1)

Wednesday
22 September 2010 Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 556 a.m.
Sunrise 618 a.m.
Sun transit 1221 p.m.
Sunset 625 p.m.
End civil twilight 647 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 527 p.m. on preceding day
Moonset 546 a.m.
Moonrise 600 p.m.
Moon transit 1215 a.m. on following day
Moonset 635 a.m. on following day

Full Moon on 22 September 2010 at 1118 p.m. (Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time).

Ramadan 2009 21 August
Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Anchorage, Anchorage Borough, Alaska (longitude W149.9, latitude N61.2)
Thursday
3 September 2009 Alaska Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 611 a.m.
Sunrise 657 a.m.
Sun transit 159 p.m.
Sunset 858 p.m.
End civil twilight 944 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 820 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 101 a.m.
Moonset 558 a.m.
Moonrise 821 p.m.
Moonset 723 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 3 September waxing gibbous with 99% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.
Full Moon on 4 September 2009 at 803 a.m. Alaska Daylight Time.

The following information is provided for Chicago, Cook County, Illinois (longitude W87.7, latitude N41.9)

Thursday
3 September 2009 Central Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 550 a.m.
Sunrise 619 a.m.
Sun transit 1250 p.m.
Sunset 720 p.m.
End civil twilight 749 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 621 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 1145 p.m. on preceding day
Moonset 516 a.m.
Moonrise 644 p.m.
Moonset 619 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 3 September waxing gibbous with 99% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

Full Moon on 4 September 2009 at 1103 a.m. Central Daylight Time.

The following information is provided for Mauna Loa, Maui County, Hawaii (longitude W157.2, latitude N21.1)

Thursday
3 September 2009 Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 551 a.m.
Sunrise 613 a.m.
Sun transit 1228 p.m.
Sunset 643 p.m.
End civil twilight 705 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 539 p.m. on preceding day
Moonset 526 a.m.
Moonrise 613 p.m.
Moon transit 1213 a.m. on following day
Moonset 617 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 3 September waxing gibbous with 99% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

Full Moon on 4 September 2009 at 603 a.m. (Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time).

unknownuser

Few observations
973 night the power better than thousand shr
It's more precise, as better than single shr amplified 1000. Not written as 1000 ashr plural.

If calculating full moon or month, carrying him <= 6 lunar months; i.e. after 12 weeks weight is felt.

Using word substitution?
4615 and carrying him and his separation (for) thirty shra
3114 and his separation <= Aamyn (2 x 12 lunar months)

30 shra - 24 lunar months his separation <= 6 lunar months carrying him

Correction, it should be?
30 shra ? 24 (or less) lunar months his separation => 6 (to 10) lunar months carrying him

If data is gathered for past traditional months of Ramadan and 1st visible full moon ...

http//www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/rs-one-day-us

http//oi51.tinypic.com/v8g00x.jpg

2185 shr (full moon) Ra-Mim-Dad -- to be blasted by the sun. (both visible at same time)

936 indeed count al-shwr with Allah (for) twelve shra
937 they make it allowed (for) Aama and make it prohibited (for) Aama

I've checked prior years and believe the above pattern continues indefinetly...

It's not unique for the above 12 count cycle and seems to exist for every full moon.

The question remains how to identify Ramadan 12 count cycle; i.e. if one was on an island?

ayman

Peace brother Eid,

Few observations
973 night the power better than thousand shr
It's more precise, as better than single shr amplified 1000. Not written as 1000 ashr plural.

In Arabic this is the case for all plurals above ten. For example, you also say 50,000 sana (year) and not 50,000 sanawat (years). You also say 1000 lyla (night) not 1000 layaly (nights). You also say 1000 ragl (man) and you don't say 1000 regal (men).

Peace,

Ayman

unknownuser

Peace brother Eid,

In Arabic this is the case for all plurals above ten. For example, you also say 50,000 sana (year) and not 50,000 sanawat (years). You also say 1000 lyla (night) not 1000 layaly (nights). You also say 1000 ragl (man) and you don't say 1000 regal (men).

Peace,

Ayman

Peace bro Ayman,

Yes, thanks that makes sense; not sure why sunnah written as or snh is interpreted as year?

As in other languages roads/ways is used to mean multiples/times which resolves many of the issues...

296 if he could be granted life a thousand times
2255 Allah - no God only Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of all that exists;
Not overtakes Him time and not sleep.
526 forbidden to them forty times they will wander in the earth
1513 not they believe in it and truly have passed time the past
1777 way whom truly We sent before you of Our Messengers. And not you will find (in our way) any change.
1854-55 And indeed We have explained in this the Quran to humanity of every example and is the human most things quarrelsome. And what prevents the human that they believe when has come to them the guidance and they ask their Lord, only that comes to them time the past or comes to them the punishment ahead?
2247 Day/time with your Lord like thousand times/ways from what you reckon
29149 and indeed, We sent Noah to his people and he remained among them thousand times only (for) fifty Aama/years
325 Day/time measure which is thousand times from what you reckon
3338, 3362 time/way Allah
4615 and carrying him and his separation (for) thirty shra until when he reaches asdh and reaches forty times he says, "My Lord ...

forty multiples/times/ways is perhaps stage # of cell splits since inception
2^40 2x2x2x2... = 1,097,728,000,000 or trillion divisions until adulthood

4823 time/way Allah which passed away from before and never you will find lisunnati in (the) way of Allah any change.
701-4 asked a questioner about a punishment bound to happen to the disbelievers not of it any preventer from Allah owner the ways of ascent. Ascend al-malikatu wal-ru to Him in a day/time is its measure fifty thousand times
705 so be patient...

Likewise, snh feminine cannot be the same as Aam masculine or snyn masculine plural.

2259 hundred Aam/year ... then He raised him. He said, "How long you remained?"He said, "I remained a day or part a day." He said, "No, you remained hundred Aam/year so look at your food and your drink not change time ytsnh
928 Aamhm/year theirs
937 they make it allowed (for) Aama/year and make it prohibited (for) Aama/year
9126 do not they see that they are tried in every Aam/year once or twice?
1249 then comes from after that Aam/year in it will be given abundant rain the people and in it they will press."
3114 and his separation in Aamyn/two years

7130 We seized people Firaun bal-snyn/in the years and scarcity of the fruits
105 & 1712 that you may know amount al-snyn/the years and the count
1242 so he remained in the prison short snyn/years
1247-49 he said, "You will sow seven snyn/years as usual so what you reap so leave it in its ears except little from what you eat. Then comes from after that seven hard consume what you advanced for them except from what you store. Then comes from after that Aam/year in it will be given abundant rain the people and in it they will press."
1811 so We cast over their ears in the cave snyn/years amount (duration in cave not specified)
1825 and they remained in their cave three hundred snyn/years and add nine
300 x 12 months + 9 solar years = 300.067473 solar years is speculation refuted in the next verse...
1826 Say, "Allah knows best about what they remained...
23112 he?ll ask "how long did you remain in the earth, amount snyn/years?
2618 he said, didn't we bring you up among us a child, and you remained among us from your life snyn/years?
26205 We let them enjoy snyn/years
304 in short snyn/years
2040 so you remained snyn/years among people madyan

Peace,
Eid

farida

Salaam

The Qur'an enjoins those who witness the month of Ramadan to fast in it.

How does one witness a month? When you experience the day breaking and ending for around thirty/29 days. So those who live in the s/northern hemisphere do not witness some months, as the sun never sets or rises and so there is no distinct separation at dawn or towards night. This is a basic requirement for starting and ending fast and as one commentator said ? a common principle that any who suffers from impractibility, the relevant provision of law does not apply to him?

Best regards
farida

Eikonoklastes

Peace,

This was probably already discussed, but as evident this thread is way too enormous to go through to find the answer.

I was just wondering why the "old palm sheath" metaphor for crescent, when the word for crescent is already clearly used? Does the metaphor lend to any additional clues or anything?

Layth

Salam,

I was just wondering why the "old palm sheath" metaphor for crescent, when the word for crescent is already clearly used? Does the metaphor lend to any additional clues or anything?

Because it is not referring to the "crescent", but the full moon (the old palm sheaths fall to both sides, making a full circle shape).

mekaeel7

It has been a very long time since I have posted on this site and am not sure if my concern even fits this category but my question is why is it assumed that fasting means forsaking food and drink when the only example of fasting cited in the book is of Mary mother of Eesa and her example of fasting was no talking? Where is the command from Al Ilahe(The god) to abstain from food and drink?

afridi220

It has been a very long time since I have posted on this site and am not sure if my concern even fits this category but my question is why is it assumed that fasting means forsaking food and drink when the only example of fasting cited in the book is of Mary mother of Eesa and her example of fasting was no talking? Where is the command from Al Ilahe(The god) to abstain from food and drink?

The Holy Quran, Surah Al Baqarah 2187

?Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are limits (set by) Allah Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men that they may learn self-restraint