A fatwa from islamQA
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Assalamualaikum Rahamatullahi Wabarakathahu
I have found a interesting fatwa from IslamQA
https//islamqa.info/en/34770
Few words form the fatwa
..............Just as a person may be forced to do the duty that he owes to other people even if that is by means of imprisonment or beating, so forcing the kaafirs to believe in Allaah alone and enter into the religion of Islam is more important and more essential, because this will lead to their happiness in this world and in the Hereafter...........
Your comments ........
NoteThis post is just a warm up
the main article start at page 4 on this link
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608730.msg392582#msg392582 -
2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in God, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.
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Peace parvez.
What is interesting about it?
That kind of "Islam" that deserted Qoran and reverted back to "Jahilia" days is dangerous and self inflicted .
What a shame!
The masses are waking up though,they can clearly see the hypocrisy,nonsense and unfair ignorant rules.To be honest brother ,the bloke is using secondary sources and distorting GOD s words.
GOD bless you.
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Guys, are you surprised? Please research "Jihad Talab". I appreciate Islamqa.com since this is the only traditional Muslim website that doesn't shy away from the ugly truth about traditional Islam. Other sites try to deny things like offensive Jihad or slavery, female circumcision whilst Islamqa.com tell you the truth, acknowledge and even defend the permission of such things.
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the things under the pressure of sword will not work , God is not suggessting anybody to have a faith in pressurised way...
the approach of abraham toward God is real approach we need to use our sense/aqal/intelligence how things work,, human being is really very stupid he already know he/she cannot create anything by his own, still he/she did not ponder things around him...
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Guys, are you surprised? Please research "Jihad Talab". I appreciate Islamqa.com since this is the only traditional Muslim website that doesn't shy away from the ugly truth about traditional Islam. Other sites try to deny things like offensive Jihad or slavery, female circumcision whilst Islamqa.com tell you the truth, acknowledge and even defend the permission of such things.
Even i am not surprised , Nep
In fact every salafi scholar new this .I attended four and half years salafi Quranic tafsir course and it was thought to me only this way .You are correct islamQA is a very bold salafi site -
Peace parvez.
What is interesting about it?
That kind of "Islam" that deserted Qoran and reverted back to "Jahilia" days is dangerous and self inflicted .
I found this to be interesting because from my point of view , both islamQA and FM are two extremes .for me both the sites are poles apart and true Islam is somewhere between this two extremes
What a shame!
The masses are waking up though,they can clearly see the hypocrisy,nonsense and unfair ignorant rules.To be honest brother ,the bloke is using secondary sources and distorting GOD s words.
GOD bless you.Nothing to shame about GL
note that the author of that fatwa did not used any hadith to prove his point rather he used Quranic verses .do you any other explanations for those verses ,GL -
Decided and written by a bunch of satan worshipers.
Ok reel, you call them satan i call them idiots
but don't forget they call Quranist as kafirs .According to the entire answer from the page, they abrogated and twisted the verses to fit their own agenda.
I agree .they have twisted the verses for their agenda and it is nothing but fanaticism .but what we are doing here ,the same thing at least we not preaching here to kill the innocent people .here ,we twist verse and words like( salah , sujood hajj etc .)and ask some weird illogical question to suit our agenda .all the same they have their way of interpreting Quran and here on FM we have our way
the verse that come to my mind here is
Verse 2.113
The Jews say "The Christians have nothing to stand on," and the Christians say, "The Jews have nothing to stand on," although they recite the Scripture. Thus the polytheists speak the same as their words. But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ.Substitute any Islamic sect instead of Jews and Christians
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the things under the pressure of sword will not work , God is not suggessting anybody to have a faith in pressurised way...
the approach of abraham toward God is real approach we need to use our sense/aqal/intelligence how things work,, human being is really very stupid he already know he/she cannot create anything by his own, still he/she did not ponder things around him...
Everything has gone over the head ,Imran .it is very big bouncer
can you be bit clear -
2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in God, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.
As per that fatwa , this verse was abrogated by
But if they repent and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
and the meaning they derive form this verse is
He did not say, if they pay the jizyah. The Jews, Christians and Magians are to be asked to enter Islam; if they refuse then they should be asked to pay the jizyah. If they refuse to pay the jizyah then the Muslims must fight them if they are able to do so. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)
Futher in verse they interpret this way
Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allaah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued
further in verse
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Aloneand from the fatwa read these also
Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
This verse is known as Ayat al-Sayf (the verse of the sword).
These and similar verses abrogate the verses which say that there is no compulsion to become Muslim.
And Allaah is the Source of strength.
Now tell me your opinion ATW
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Ok reel, you call them satan i call them idiots
but don't forget they call Quranist as kafirs .I can prove that their bosses do serve the satan.
I agree .they have twisted the verses for their agenda and it is nothing but fanaticism .but what we are doing here ,the same thing at least we not preaching here to kill the innocent people .here ,we twist verse and words like( salah , sujood hajj etc .)and ask some weird illogical question to suit our agenda .all the same they have their way of interpreting Quran and here on FM we have our way
the verse that come to my mind here is
Verse 2.113
The Jews say "The Christians have nothing to stand on," and the Christians say, "The Jews have nothing to stand on," although they recite the Scripture. Thus the polytheists speak the same as their words. But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ.Substitute any Islamic sect instead of Jews and Christians
You have a long way to go in understanding why people here challenge what you mentioned. Islam isn't what the traditionalists think it is.
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As per that fatwa , this verse was abrogated by
But if they repent and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful?
Brother few points to consider in 95 are
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Does QATALA means HE KILLED. If so then why there is a command to catch and besiege them in the next part of ayat.
Does Verb TABA means to repent if so then what is the meaning of TAWWAB which is an attribute of Allah Ta'ala.
How mushriks can establish al-salat and give al-zakat? Does means to establish divine system and means to give growth?
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Peace parvez.
Taking verses out of context has always been a problem to the "idol worshippers"! Both at the time of the prophet and now.
The first verse gives you and those who deserted Qoran your answers ,but you still insist on your/their ways!!!!
Proclaim to those you signed the treaty with!!!
This first verse explains who GOD is talking about.
These "Mushrikeen" have violated the treaty that has been agreed with the prophet. !!!
Look how GOD is just with those who do not break the treaty, even though they are still" Mushrikeen"
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If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of God, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.97
How can the idol worshipers demand any pledge from God and from His messenger? Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid. If they honor and uphold such a treaty, you shall uphold it as well. God loves the righteous.Brother study Qoran and stop supporting /pushing secondary source views/ideas . GOD is forgiving Most Merciul.
GOD bless you.
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Ok reel, you call them satan i call them idiots
but don't forget they call Quranist as kafirs .and God call them liars rotfl becoz they dnt know how to distinguis between beleiver and disbeleiver(kafir)
kafir by defination is who dnt beleive in God of universe..
i did not see any beleiver call him/her quranist thats a confusion in traditional muslim they always think about sectors and groups and they give this name to some honest beleivers becoz they are not agree in accepting the booksof tom dick and harries ... who dnt have a grip on anything and we clearly see lot of mistakes in their work,, again they say its catagorised as old, weak, average, authentic,,,
height of ignorance
peace..
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I can prove that their bosses do serve the satan.
they are still serving it...
satan is successful in making their path distract ... traditiobnal muslim think its abdul qadir jilani who derived out ships from sea
interestingly he himself never claim anything like this...
and moreover even if he claim they forget the verse 31/32-33...
and who is more wicked than a person who seek anything beside God...
its just one person i know lot of these saints how they are being worshipped by millions of traditional muslims...
another example is data gang bkhash people claimed he is the god of provisions astagfirullah.. and how they proved ,, they said its thousands of people come everyday on his tomb and get food from there,, its a famous place in famous city lahore... called data sahib..
and lot more these type of stuff.. like ,, god of food, good of ships, god of snakes , god of problem solving,
peace
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As per that fatwa , this verse was abrogated by
But if they repent and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful?
and the meaning they derive form this verse is
Futher in verse they interpret this wayFight against those who (1) believe not in Allaah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued?
further in verse
?And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone ?and from the fatwa read these also
Now tell me your opinion ATWHi Parvez,
Why are they still in the book if they are abrogated, what purpose do they have now?
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I agree .they have twisted the verses for their agenda and it is nothing but fanaticism .but what we are doing here ,the same thing at least we not preaching here to kill the innocent people .here ,we twist verse and words like( salah , sujood hajj etc .)and ask some weird illogical question to suit our agenda .all the same they have their way of interpreting Quran and here on FM we have our way
I have indeed some alternative understandings on some subjects, but what could be my agenda?
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I can prove that their bosses do serve the satan.
Prove it Reel
but reel ,satan is not real but a scriptural figure who , as per Quran ,whisper human do to the acts that he wants .as a matter of fact no one has ever met him physicallyYou have a long way to go in understanding why people here challenge what you mentioned. Islam isn't what the traditionalists think it is.
lol , reeal
it is almost a year by now and i am very clear about few facts here
for example , sajood is not the one you have here on this forum .beyond any doubt , the sujood is physical .Islam is not the one that Quranist think neither it is one that salafi preach .I think you have a very long way to recognize the true Islam -
Peace parvez.
Taking verses out of context has always been a problem to the "idol worshippers"! Both at the time of the prophet and now.
The first verse gives you and those who deserted Qoran your answers ,but you still insist on your/their ways!!!!
Proclaim to those you signed the treaty with!!!
This first verse explains who GOD is talking about.
These "Mushrikeen" have violated the treaty that has been agreed with the prophet. !!!No doubt , these verses are about the musrikoons of that period .but ,Quran is a an example and as per this(Quran) we derive everything .you are correct .the following verses say about "treaty" but salafi/fanatics conveniently forget about the "treaty" and make these verses as a ammunition for innocent people to perform terrorists acts .Do you know ,these verses are the base for leaders to make their followers as sleeper cells and thus perform terrorists acts
Look how GOD is just with those who do not break the treaty, even though they are still" Mushrikeen"
96
If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of God, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.97
How can the idol worshipers demand any pledge from God and from His messenger? Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid. If they honor and uphold such a treaty, you shall uphold it as well. God loves the righteous.You are correct , these ayahs are about war aftermath and as i had mention you earlier these ahays give as procedure about war aftermath
Brother study Qoran and stop supporting /pushing secondary source views/ideas . GOD is forgiving Most Merciul.
GOD bless you.
Peace.lol, i am not supporting them ,GL
actually ,these ayahs are being implemented in a wrong way .any one who does a terrorist act must had been brainwashed by these ayahs and even today every salafi is being thought by this way .But ....
Do you have any explanation for these ayahs
Verse 9.29
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subduedVerse 8.39.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah, and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah alone. But if they cease, then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do