Hello all, this is my new home !

imrankhawaja

Peace brother,

Very well said I agree totally handshake
May Allah reward you with the best pr

peace brother mmkhan, i was not about to quote you but i feel in this way we all learn from eachother .. lot of things..

i think what i understand from your ideas... i may be wrong , but apparently you are not sure about ( the reciver of scripture)

but you accept scripture , your questions are regarding messenger.. not the message itself

but on the other hand mr jaffar not only denied the messenger but message as well...

i would like if you both discuss and resolve the issue first , i mean first part of the claim..

you only agree with him if he also accept scripture as a words of God... so here what i see is a clear confusion,

Man_of_Faith

Were you there?

It is obvious without being there. Jesus was quoted while saying words of Aramaic and the Greek translators were kind enough not to translate certain words he uttered, so it is safe to say the man spoke Syriac Aramaic. Someone likely had written his utterances down too in their original wordings too. Another point is that the translation itself includes errors in translation following typical mistakes one can make in translating a Semitic language into another family of languages.

Parts of the Biblical Gospels are mistranslated and it makes for certain problems. One is that he is claimed to have said "I am the way", but he was saying back then that "the way is through the own being (the I AM)". Most references allegedly to himself is in actually to each person's self. He wanted to say that everything is about finding yourself in order to find your origin, so looking for the divine is done within yourself for there is where you will find "God".

Persians say Khoda about "God" still to this day and the word means the self. If you would like to say "myself" you say "khodam". About it you can ask my wife who is from Iran or someone who research on etymology back in Iran, even if he has to be silent in fear of what the authorities would do if he says "God is in the self". That is blasphemous in Islam yet the origin of the remnant teaching.

Similar to the Persians in ancient Semitic linguistic use "God" was referred to as allah because the word means "the who like". is simply "The Who" from the third person suffix used, but people made it into something else despite the simple language. Allah is very similar to the Persian word that way. It is from when Moses learned that "God" is "Who Is", i.e. he was told "I am who I am". From that time the unity of being has been called Alehoim or Allahem with the revamped grammar of Arabic. And it is about having "God" with/in you and it being shown by your way of being.

But that you have probably seen me write before but rejected it.

Be well
Amenuel

Bender

It is obvious without being there. Jesus was quoted while saying words of Aramaic and the Greek translators were kind enough not to translate certain words he uttered, so it is safe to say the man spoke Syriac Aramaic.

So if I understand you correctly you saw some translations with Aramaic words in it and you decided that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that the translators were Greeks and that they misunderstood him?
And these conclusions are obvious to you?

One is that he is claimed to have said "I am the way", but he was saying back then that "the way is through the own being (the I AM)". Most references allegedly to himself is in actually to each person's self. He wanted to say that everything is about finding yourself in order to find your origin, so looking for the divine is done within yourself for there is where you will find "God".

RED How do you know this? Were you Jesus in your previous life?

Similar to the Persians in ancient Semitic linguistic use "God" was referred to as allah because the word means "the who like". is simply "The Who" from the third person suffix used, but people made it into something else despite the simple language.

RED Its better to say my definition of Allah is "the who like", because it's ONLY your definition.

Allah is very similar to the Persian word that way. It is from when Moses learned that "God" is "Who Is", i.e. he was told "I am who I am". From that time the unity of being has been called Alehoim or Allahem with the revamped grammar of Arabic. And it is about having "God" with/in you and it being shown by your way of being.

But that you have probably seen me write before but rejected it.

Be well
Amenuel

RED Of course, because in my opinion your whole theory does simply make no sense.
Besides that you just use old lexicons and old scriptures. Very similar to those who use hadiths to make their point.
So imo your whole theory is at best just another baseless hadith based on baseless hadiths.

Dakhan

I don't mind if you guys go off-topic on my topic. But this discussion is kinda too long to read.

Can anyone tell me in short what this discussion is about ?

imrankhawaja

I don't mind if you guys go off-topic on my topic. But this discussion is kinda too long to read.

Can anyone tell me in short what this discussion is about ?

haha every discussion go on that way... you will slowly slowly get used to it...

mmkhan

peace brother mmkhan, i was not about to quote you but i feel in this way we all learn from eachother .. lot of things..
i think what i understand from your ideas... i may be wrong , but apparently you are not sure about ( the reciver of scripture)
but you accept scripture , your questions are regarding messenger.. not the message itself
but on the other hand mr jaffar not only denied the messenger but message as well...
i would like if you both discuss and resolve the issue first , i mean first part of the claim..
you only agree with him if he also accept scripture as a words of God... so here what i see is a clear confusion,

Peace brother Imran,

It's not like that bro.
I agree and accept what I feel good and right without looking at who said that even though if he/she is a Hindu, Christian, or belongs to any religion.

And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red highlighted part above. Hopefully Jafar will clarify this himself.

May Allah bless you bro pr
mmKhan

imrankhawaja

Peace brother Imran,

It's not like that bro.
I agree and accept what I feel good and right without looking at who said that even though if he/she is a Hindu, Christian, or belongs to any religion.

same here.. thats what logic says us to do...

And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red highlighted part above. Hopefully Jafar will clarify this himself.

May Allah bless you bro pr
mmKhan

actually i m also unaware about his feelings , but i feel in that way... may b i m wrong, he(mr jaffar) only know what inside his heart...

God bless you too bro..

Bender

I don't mind if you guys go off-topic on my topic. But this discussion is kinda too long to read.

Can anyone tell me in short what this discussion is about ?

Sorry for hijacking your intro.
Welcome to the forum handshake

Comrox

Sorry for hijacking your intro.

You're not sorry.

Bender

You're not sorry.

elektro

imrankhawaja

You're not sorry.

yay

reel

I thought about Jafar's response and this is what it looks like in real life.
Result under savage_carrot username
https//2.bp.blogspot.com/-fIlJZbRGiOs/V-xiowAEJKI/AAAAAAAAAXE/KMrfFhXywNYMG4nMygXsM_oRKrqwF14twCLcB/s1600/savage_carrot.png

Hmm, who is she to lock the thread?
Is she a hacker?
She must answer who she is. I am too busy to do research to figure out her identity.
How to get the thread unlocked? Can Layth do it? But again, who is he? He says the same under his username.

imrankhawaja

@ reel read reply 37 of the same thread and then see the forum rules , specially rule number 3 then may be you get to know what she did was a good decision...

May God bless her as i see this world still got some truthful people specially our admins who are doing their duties with honesty ...who decide things by justice and reasons...

and if you have some issues with admins i think its better to talk with them in person or PM...

Peace

reel

@ reel read reply 37 of the same thread and then see the forum rules , specially rule number 3 then may be you get to know what she did was a good decision...

May God bless her as i see this world still got some truthful people specially our admins who are doing their duties with honesty ...who decide things by justice and reasons...

and if you have some issues with admins i think its better to talk with them in person or PM...

Peace

My post wasn't about the thread, but identity of the person when it is not given.

imrankhawaja

My post wasn't about the thread, but identity of the person when it is not given.

what identity , it seems somebody changed the admin to , guess my role i wont tell you about my qualification police

or i did not still understand what you are on about , help me making it understand ..

peace
God bless you

reel

what identity , it seems somebody changed the admin to , guess my role i wont tell you about my qualification police

or i did not still understand what you are on about , help me making it understand ..

peace
God bless you

I changed it with chrome inspect just to see what the post here would look like in real life http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608884.msg396144#msg396144

imrankhawaja

I changed it with chrome inspect just to see what the post here would look like in real life http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608884.msg396144#msg396144

i still have no idea what you are on about?
what is you purpose of posting and changing the name of admin?
and what message you want to deliever?

but it would be nice if you finish this mystery movie lol confused

Adam_The_Warner

Heya,

I am a male, 26 years old, born and living in the Netherlands (indian/surinam background), single -\

I was random posting on Ummah.com when I received private messages from Comrox asking from what Quran-only community I come from.
Told her I was kicked from my previous quran-only community and that I was now wandering around lonely on sunni-forums to gently poke at them with my Quran-only believes. I did this to forget my loneliness. She told me about free-minds.org, I gave a quick look and I told her I am not looking for a "home" that is filled with hadith-muslims. She said that I looked wrong and that the main people here are quran-only. So today I have arrived to interact with you guys. I hope I can find like-minded brothers/sisters here.

How I found Quran-Islam

I am from a sunni-family, but before you say "Oh he was Sunni" then allow me to tell you that I was never ever Sunni. You see, I was always in a learning phase of Islam. My parents are slow teachers.
I was just blindly following my family without questions. But always very sceptical. I never was amused that I had to listen to imams and I always saw their arrogance face when they were praising the prophet or everytime yelling/saying "ahamdullilah, allah hu akbur, subanala, inshalah etc"... such things really gets me annoyed. No idea why. It just annoys me, they say these stuff to make themselves appear as a holy saint, which they are only on the outside with their cloths and beard but on the inside they are just "ugly".

I was close in abandoning Islam, when your a university student, you come at a point in your life where you need to choose I am soon entering a professional life, would this religion still have a place in my life ? I could never figure it out, because things had changed when I lost my older brother (drug-addict etc). I was full of sadness I locked myself in my bedroom, concealed myself from social life and started reading a book which I had for years in my bedroom but never bothered to open it The Quran. For the first time I opened up the Quran in my room (Dutch-translated Quran full of dust) and started reading... and it was glorious beautiful. It felt like I found life in a dark world. I felt reborn. It piss me off that my parents never motivated me to read it.

While I was reading the Quran, I wasn't a true Quran-Only believer yet. I still followed the practices of my family/local mosque/Sunni-style. But there are two things I strongly disagreed with that made me a true Quran-Only believer

The hadiths. I am honest I did not even knew my parents and family were following other books then the Quran. I thought every muslim was only following the Quran. So yeah, I was shocked when I visited Dutch islamic forums that muslims were following hadiths. Back then I did not know it was also possible to follow Islam without using hadiths... I blamed Islam itself and almost quit my religion (I wasn't reading Quran back then).
The way how we prayed I had to pray 5 times a week in a damn language I did not even understand... and that piss me off. I am big fan of history books and documentaries. From this I know that "forcing people to pray 5 times in a day will make it easier to keep them obedient at their king". Ofcourse I loved the peace-feeling I get when praying. But in the end it piss me off that I had to mumble arabic words I did not understood. I decided to get on google to find some satisfying alternative or a argument to stop praying 5 times a day. It did not make any sense at all and it was wasting plenty of my time, especially repeating ra'kaats. I found this youtube-video https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ql4pPgAbDU from Quran-Islam.org. I contacted the admin to tell me more about it.

My glorious time within the Quran-islam.org Community-group
3 weeks later I became a member of a closed/hidden google-group from Quran-Islam.org. I felt blessed from god. I learned so much about Quran-Only Islam while being in that group. I found many sisters and brothers. I felt freedom and I was happy I found the true Islam. I threw away my dutch-translated Quran because it was invested with notations from hadiths and translations which are based from hadiths. Instead I used a new translated Quran from the google-group (still not published on quran-islam.org). I let go all those human-made customs and my faith in God increased while the burden of following Islam became lighter.

But then dark times arrived. I disagreed with the owner of the website, the leader of our google-group I did not believe in the code 19 miracle and I belied Rashad Khan was just a fraud who benefited from the faults of the sunni/shia muslims. I don't believe he is a messenger. With this I lost my connection with many of my brothers and sisters at quran-islam.org. Some of them e-mailed me after I was kicked because they loved me, and I still love them. But after a technical-discussion about "How can we be sure that the location of Mecca from the Quran is the current Mecca we have in this world ?" We were just philosophizing about the technical aspects of Mecca, but the admin had enough of it and declared me as a troublemaker, and I got kicked from the group.

Now I am happy that I got out from Quran-Islam.org because I heard afterwards from other members that he attributed more verses to Rashad Khan with arguments that sounds childish too me.
He has not published those pages on Quran-Islam.org, out of respect for him I will not reveal those until he does it. I still e-mail him now and then, in the end he is still a lovely and intelligent man who knows how to translate the Quran without any bias from hadiths and without changing the words of God. Quran-islam.org is a good website except for the code 19 and Rashad Khan part.

So now you all know my story. My family was first very harsh on me when I told them that I don't follow hadiths, but now they are nice again too me. They couldn't stay long mad at me as they know I would not joke about it or anything. But yeah... I was and will never be able to convince them about the truth. But that's what being a Quran-muslim is all about

You cannot guide the ones you love. GOD is the only One who
guides in accordance with His will, and in accordance with His
knowledge of those who deserve the guidance.

Nice to meet you all, brothers and sisters ;D

Moge de Vrede met u zijn,

Goed om te zien dat je zo ver bent gekomen broeder in het geloof. De volgende stap die ik had ondernomen nadat ik gestopt was met het kijken naar de videos van Rashad en Edip en voorgoed tegen mezelf zei dat ik niet meer andere mensen zou volgen was dat ik langzamerhand in de bijbel ging lezen. De Koran in vers 566,568 spoort ons hier zeker naartoe! En zo krijgt men ook een heel ander beeld, een juist beeld, en interpreteerd men de koran in het licht van de vorige openbaringen.

Maar goed, ik woon in Zuid-Holland. En kom helaas van een soennitische-salafistische achtergrond. Had ook geprobeerd te zoeken naar waarheid bij de Shia, en Soefis. Maar helaas. Tot op een dag gebeurde er een wonder, en sinds die dag heb ik met de wil van God Leiding gekregen van God en doe ik nu mijn best om Zijn Leiding te volgen.

Er valt nog heel veel te leren. Momenteel ben ik druk bezig met school. Maar ook druk ben ik bezig met het leren van de talen Hebreeuws, Aramees, Grieks en Arabisch. Dat om de Heilige Boeken in hun originele taal te lezen en bestuderen. Opdat ik geen foute vertalingen meer hoef te lezen. De enigste die ik nu een beetje vertrouw is die van FreeMinds van de Koran in het Engels en de Naardense Bijbel vertaling in het Nederlands. Maar nogmaals, het is heel belangrijk om de talen te leren. Zo ontwijk je een hele hoop fouten.

Ik ben blij om nog een Nederlander te zien. Er zijn 3 andere Nederlanders die ik ken die ook deze manier van denken hebben gekregen van God. Maar goed laat even wat van je horen in een prive bericht. Dan voeg ik je toe op facebook als je die hebt. Ik lees niet altijd alles op free-minds. Heb het druk met het lezen van de Geschriften. Owja, ik volg geen enkele overlevering als deze niet van God komt en niet door God is geinspireerd. Ik heb al een tijdje afstand gedaan van de soenies,salafis,shia,sufis etc. Maar ook omdat ik in de Boeken in de Bijbel geloof, volg ik ook geen katholieken, of mensen die boeken zoals de Talmud volgen naast het Woord van God etc.

Moge God ons Leiding schenken en ons Zijn Tevredenheid schenken en ons doen herenigen met Zijn profeten, boodschappers, martelaren, gelovigen, engelen, en allen de schepsels die goed zijn in Zijn Eeuwige Paradijs!

Ik wens je veel succes natuurlijk met het studeren van het Woord van God. Hoor graag van je. Moge God ons beschermen tegen de verworpenen duivel, de influisteringen van de duivels en opdat zij dichterbij ons komen.

Vrede.

Adam_The_Warner

Thank you !

I would say they got around 110 members. So far the members entered the group after they contacted the admin with their personal questions (admin the owner of the website, his e-mail is on the website) Before they get access they face trial-questions like "what is the correct form of Shahada and how many times a day do you pray". The group is exclusive because they don't want a discussion-group but a group with only like-minded fellows. Frequently there are members who get kicked because they turned out to be on the wrong path.
I can give a few examples

One guy got kicked because he saw the Torah still as the word of God even though the Quran says it got corrupted. He didn't like the fact that tattoo was not forbidden in the Quran like in his beloved Torah.
Another guy got kicked because he considered the bible, torah as books from God, together with the Quran. He had started separate Facebook groups; each group for each book.
Generally making statements without evidence from the Quran can get you warnings with the risk of being removed from the group

Sometimes members asks to be removed themselves

One member asked to be removed when he refused to believe RK was a messenger from God
One member removed himself when he believed his input to improve the Quran-translation was ignored, even though his Arabic knowledge was bad.

And yes the group is still active. I am still in it's whatsapp-group which is hosted by a separate member.

Where does the Quran say that the Torah was altered?

Example People lieing about Mohammed doesn't mean that the Quran is altered. People misquoting from bad english translated Quranic verses doesn't mean that the Quran is altered. Anyways most of the people dare to say that the Words of God, the Torah, are altered, but yet they have no clue what kind of Book it is, they do not even know the language of the Torah, and most of them didn't even read the Torah, and love to misquote mistranslated verses in the wrong context. So i would stop saying that the Torah is corrupted, fear God.

And i am that guy. I made the fb pages Torah Study, Gospel Study, Psalms Study just like there was a page called Quran Study. That "quranaloneislam" google-group is being runned by a guy named Mohammed from Egypt. He kicked me because i believed in the Revelation of God that was granted to Moses, David, Jesus and all other prophets. The thing is, nobody can post there, until the posts get verified by this Mohammed. And nearly everyone praises that dude. It's dangerous, i am actually happy that i am not part of that "secrect" google-group. And i was just invited by another dutch guy. Oh and i used the content of quranaloneislam-site for a few youtube videos that i made. That site haves some really good points. But that google-group is scary.

Why can't we be like Jesus? Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah followed the Torah a Book that was more then thousand(s) of years old when he was walking and teaching the Torah here on earth. What about David, King of Israel? He did follow the Torah. What about all other prophets? What about Mohammed? What about Mohammed when he told the people of the Gospel to Judge with the Gospel? And that was just 1400+/- years ago? That's what the Quran tells us in 547. And that's what the verses tell us in the Gospel, Psalms and Torah.

An English translation of the Quran - 2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers "We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny."

292 Did the people think that they will be left to say "We believe" without being put to the test?

Peace.

reel

i still have no idea what you are on about?
what is you purpose of posting and changing the name of admin?
and what message you want to deliever?

but it would be nice if you finish this mystery movie lol confused

The thing that one has to say what makes him qualified to teach something. You are not gonna hire someone to work in electricity without knowing whether he has the qualification and you are gonna waste your time in guessing his qualification. That is the point. The thing below is a very simplistic way of looking at the title of messenger and that is also based on cancelling out verses

Mohammad I'm Mohammad, a God's messenger
Me Oh ok great.. do you love your job?
Mohammad Do you believe that I am a messenger?
Me Of course Mo... you just said so yourselves.. why shouldn't I?
Mohammad You do? Really? Can you testify that I am a God messenger?
Me Hey mo.. sure... anything to make you happy.... by the way, why would you need such testimony anyway.. are you applying for the same role in another company?