Hello all, this is my new home !
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Heya,
I am a male, 26 years old, born and living in the Netherlands (indian/surinam background), single -\
I was random posting on Ummah.com when I received private messages from Comrox asking from what Quran-only community I come from.
Told her I was kicked from my previous quran-only community and that I was now wandering around lonely on sunni-forums to gently poke at them with my Quran-only believes. I did this to forget my loneliness. She told me about free-minds.org, I gave a quick look and I told her I am not looking for a "home" that is filled with hadith-muslims. She said that I looked wrong and that the main people here are quran-only. So today I have arrived to interact with you guys. I hope I can find like-minded brothers/sisters here.How I found Quran-Islam
I am from a sunni-family, but before you say "Oh he was Sunni" then allow me to tell you that I was never ever Sunni. You see, I was always in a learning phase of Islam. My parents are slow teachers.
I was just blindly following my family without questions. But always very sceptical. I never was amused that I had to listen to imams and I always saw their arrogance face when they were praising the prophet or everytime yelling/saying "ahamdullilah, allah hu akbur, subanala, inshalah etc"... such things really gets me annoyed. No idea why. It just annoys me, they say these stuff to make themselves appear as a holy saint, which they are only on the outside with their cloths and beard but on the inside they are just "ugly".I was close in abandoning Islam, when your a university student, you come at a point in your life where you need to choose I am soon entering a professional life, would this religion still have a place in my life ? I could never figure it out, because things had changed when I lost my older brother (drug-addict etc). I was full of sadness I locked myself in my bedroom, concealed myself from social life and started reading a book which I had for years in my bedroom but never bothered to open it The Quran. For the first time I opened up the Quran in my room (Dutch-translated Quran full of dust) and started reading... and it was glorious beautiful. It felt like I found life in a dark world. I felt reborn. It piss me off that my parents never motivated me to read it.
While I was reading the Quran, I wasn't a true Quran-Only believer yet. I still followed the practices of my family/local mosque/Sunni-style. But there are two things I strongly disagreed with that made me a true Quran-Only believer
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The hadiths. I am honest I did not even knew my parents and family were following other books then the Quran. I thought every muslim was only following the Quran. So yeah, I was shocked when I visited Dutch islamic forums that muslims were following hadiths. Back then I did not know it was also possible to follow Islam without using hadiths... I blamed Islam itself and almost quit my religion (I wasn't reading Quran back then).
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The way how we prayed I had to pray 5 times a week in a damn language I did not even understand... and that piss me off. I am big fan of history books and documentaries. From this I know that "forcing people to pray 5 times in a day will make it easier to keep them obedient at their king". Ofcourse I loved the peace-feeling I get when praying. But in the end it piss me off that I had to mumble arabic words I did not understood. I decided to get on google to find some satisfying alternative or a argument to stop praying 5 times a day. It did not make any sense at all and it was wasting plenty of my time, especially repeating ra'kaats. I found this youtube-video https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ql4pPgAbDU from Quran-Islam.org. I contacted the admin to tell me more about it.
My glorious time within the Quran-islam.org Community-group
3 weeks later I became a member of a closed/hidden google-group from Quran-Islam.org. I felt blessed from god. I learned so much about Quran-Only Islam while being in that group. I found many sisters and brothers. I felt freedom and I was happy I found the true Islam. I threw away my dutch-translated Quran because it was invested with notations from hadiths and translations which are based from hadiths. Instead I used a new translated Quran from the google-group (still not published on quran-islam.org). I let go all those human-made customs and my faith in God increased while the burden of following Islam became lighter.But then dark times arrived. I disagreed with the owner of the website, the leader of our google-group I did not believe in the code 19 miracle and I belied Rashad Khan was just a fraud who benefited from the faults of the sunni/shia muslims. I don't believe he is a messenger. With this I lost my connection with many of my brothers and sisters at quran-islam.org. Some of them e-mailed me after I was kicked because they loved me, and I still love them. But after a technical-discussion about "How can we be sure that the location of Mecca from the Quran is the current Mecca we have in this world ?" We were just philosophizing about the technical aspects of Mecca, but the admin had enough of it and declared me as a troublemaker, and I got kicked from the group.
Now I am happy that I got out from Quran-Islam.org because I heard afterwards from other members that he attributed more verses to Rashad Khan with arguments that sounds childish too me.
He has not published those pages on Quran-Islam.org, out of respect for him I will not reveal those until he does it. I still e-mail him now and then, in the end he is still a lovely and intelligent man who knows how to translate the Quran without any bias from hadiths and without changing the words of God. Quran-islam.org is a good website except for the code 19 and Rashad Khan part.So now you all know my story. My family was first very harsh on me when I told them that I don't follow hadiths, but now they are nice again too me. They couldn't stay long mad at me as they know I would not joke about it or anything. But yeah... I was and will never be able to convince them about the truth. But that's what being a Quran-muslim is all about
You cannot guide the ones you love. GOD is the only One who
guides in accordance with His will, and in accordance with His
knowledge of those who deserve the guidance.Nice to meet you all, brothers and sisters ;D
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Salaam brother welcome to Free-Minds.org welcome welcome welcome
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welcome to family brother..
God bless you
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Salam and welcome brother to the family...
The path to God alone is full of pitfalls and tests which do not end except when our lives on this Earth end.
The movement started by Rashad Khalifa was a bold and brave action that helped propel many people to break the shackles of centuries of Hadith and false dogma. At the same time, it created a sect where followers elevated him to the status of an infallible man (replacing one idol for another).
I pray that we all here can keep to the path of the Almighty and that we remind each other when we have strayed - may the Lord help us live and die as Submitters.
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Welcome to the forum.
Be well
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The movement started by Rashad Khalifa was a bold and brave action
people before khalifa were already aware about it but they was confused..in rejecting the hadith science in full..
like people including , syed ahmed khan, allama iqbal(national poet of indo pak) and more recently ghulam ahmed pervaiz...
khalifa came up with an agenda , which he later added... he was infact not a hadith rejector he support his very claim with the same secondary sources..
anyway.. its glad that there are always people who use reasoning and brain and they distinguish between right and wrong.. free minds is a movement no doubt God blessed them with intelligence... they can figure out things easily..
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Welcome to the group !
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Phase one of "Operation Convert Ummah Forum" is complete! Muahahahahahaha!! voodoo elektro
Welcome to the forum brother. )
Google group... Huh. Never thought about that. How did you even find out about it to begin with if it's private? Why is it private? Is it still active? How many people?
Makes me wonder if all the other sites who appear "article only" have a closed group or something... I know the Quranists site has Facebook groups. One of them even has 1k members, there's another Facebook page with 6k likes...
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Phase one of "Operation Convert Ummah Forum" is complete! Muahahahahahaha!! voodoo elektro
Welcome to the forum brother. )
Thank you !
ught about that. How did you even find out about it to begin with if it's private? Why is it private? Is it still active? How many people?
I would say they got around 110 members. So far the members entered the group after they contacted the admin with their personal questions (admin the owner of the website, his e-mail is on the website) Before they get access they face trial-questions like "what is the correct form of Shahada and how many times a day do you pray". The group is exclusive because they don't want a discussion-group but a group with only like-minded fellows. Frequently there are members who get kicked because they turned out to be on the wrong path.
I can give a few examples- One guy got kicked because he saw the Torah still as the word of God even though the Quran says it got corrupted. He didn't like the fact that tattoo was not forbidden in the Quran like in his beloved Torah.
- Another guy got kicked because he considered the bible, torah as books from God, together with the Quran. He had started separate Facebook groups; each group for each book.
- Generally making statements without evidence from the Quran can get you warnings with the risk of being removed from the group
Sometimes members asks to be removed themselves
- One member asked to be removed when he refused to believe RK was a messenger from God
- One member removed himself when he believed his input to improve the Quran-translation was ignored, even though his Arabic knowledge was bad.
And yes the group is still active. I am still in it's whatsapp-group which is hosted by a separate member.
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HOLA! ?COMO ESTAS? welcome
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Welcome.
You see, I was always in a learning phase of Islam. My parents are slow teachers.
I was just blindly following my family without questions. But always very sceptical.You followed your inner compass...... usually a good thing. We are all in a learning phase, it never ends.
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Thank you !
I can give a few examples- One guy got kicked because he saw the Torah still as the word of God even though the Quran says it got corrupted. He didn't like the fact that tattoo was not forbidden in the Quran like in his beloved Torah.
- Another guy got kicked because he considered the bible, torah as books from God, together with the Quran. He had started separate Facebook groups; each group for each book.
- Generally making statements without evidence from the Quran can get you warnings with the risk of being removed from the group
Sometimes members asks to be removed themselves
- One member asked to be removed when he refused to believe RK was a messenger from God
Interesting... sounds like Quran + RK cult....
welcome
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Interesting... sounds like Quran + RK cult....
welcome
Thanks. In the beginning they were alert though Unlike submission.org and masjidtucson.org they said they do not glorify RK himself. But since they attributed more verses to RK then RK himself originally did, I knew the line between them was getting thinner by the day. Before I suggested to remove RK's translation from the website, I preferred no translations from the Quran instead using a bogus one like from RK. But they refused.
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Peace Dakhan.
Have you got a better translation out there than RK? If you have please provide it so we can compare.
And before you rush judging people as idolising this and that, my aim is to compare the translation of the Arabic verses one by one.
We can all easily claim anything. We need to demonstrate our claim from Qoran,then we can use the verses to consolidate our claim.
For example ,to date I have not found a better translation for this verse
2215
If anyone thinks that God cannot support him in this life and in the Hereafter, let him turn completely to (his Creator in) heaven, and sever (his dependence on anyone else). He will then see that this plan eliminates anything that bothers him.Thank you.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Dakhan.
Have you got a better translation out there than RK? If you have please provide it so we can compare.
And before you rush judging people as idolising this and that, my aim is to compare the translation of the Arabic verses one by one.
We can all easily claim anything. We need to demonstrate our claim from Qoran,then we can use the verses to consolidate our claim.Peace, I will look into a way of how I can upload that translation. But I will wait first till that translation is finished. Currently it is in the revision phase, which means the verses are each by each being re-checked for any translation-mistakes.
For example ,to date I have not found a better translation for this verse
2215
If anyone thinks that God cannot support him in this life and in the Hereafter, let him turn completely to (his Creator in) heaven, and sever (his dependence on anyone else). He will then see that this plan eliminates anything that bothers him.Thank you.
GOD bless you.
PeaceInteresting, that the verse you give is one of the few verses that got a footnote attached to it. I will forward it to you
For the one who thinks that God will not support him in this world and in the Hereafter, let him reach out to the sky with his cause, then sever all else. Then let him see if his action removes what aggravates him.
Footnote 2215 ? This verse has been subject to various misinterpretations. Some claiming that God is advising us to dangle a rope from the ceiling and hang ourselves! Obviously this can never be the correct understanding since it would contradict with the Quranic prohibition of taking any life except in the course of justice. These glorious words in actual fact provide a great test for all people with regards to how much they trust and depend on God. God invites anyone who doubts God?s support in this life or the Hereafter, to turn to the sky (in prayer to God) and sever his dependence on anyone else. He should then look and see if this action removes what has been aggravating him or not.
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Peace Dakhan.
You mean RK got that verse translated right according to your footnote?
I wonder why throw away all of RK s translation then?
Like I said I found some of his work inspired. The best out the hundreds of translations I have studied.In fact the majority of today s translators are copying his work.
GOD S invisible forces that guard Qoran will not allow any insincere person to have access to Qoran. RK must have been sincere at least?
The sad thing is some are copying him and discrediting him at the same time. Strange.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
