Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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Homosexuality is defined as attraction to the same sex. It doesn't matter if the attraction is acted upon or not.
ALL known species that are capable of sexual reproduction also engage in homosexuality. This includes gnats and mosquitoes as well as larger and more complex animals.
2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in GOD, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. GOD is Hearer, Knower.
I don't know if you're homosexual or you have some other reasons, but I thought that this topic is clear.
Anyways, I won't reply to all what you wrote, just a few things I saw, when I started to read your post. And I don't have time to read 30 pages, so I won't argue with others either. But, hear what I'll tell about quoted...- We cannot use definitions outside the Qur'an and then come to the Qur'an for answers about them. For example, if some scientist define something as "black hole", we cannot expect to find his definition in the Qur'an, because
a) he has to use haqq (reality) in his definition
b) his definition has to include all about defined
c) his definition has to connect all of the haqq about it
d) his definition has to be haqq as whole - We cannot follow rules for animals, otherwise ahadith like one according to which is allowed to people to follow behaviour of monkeys about stonning adulter. The other question is if this "scientific claim" is real (haqq).
- There is no word "compulsion" in that ayet. And about "deen" is this...
The People of Loot a.s. had their own deen, which was different from Loot's deen. Proof for this is in ayet 1567 where the word "El-Medina", as in all other ayets, means "time and place of deen". This is also a proof that his people was in several places (ie. towns, cities), if we wanna think.
The other, very important thing, is that all of this was about males from Loot's people (qawm is used for males only, and another proof is "Loot's brothers" in 5013). The question is why his wife was punished?
Allah swt is sending punishment only on those who're rejecting (kefere) His deen and accepting/making and following some other deen.
- We cannot use definitions outside the Qur'an and then come to the Qur'an for answers about them. For example, if some scientist define something as "black hole", we cannot expect to find his definition in the Qur'an, because
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is not a valid argument !
Would you please explain taking into account PRONOUMS with no sexist grammatical prejudice? Excuse me but my logic has arrived to its limit.
I am a good listener, though
If you can't figure out why on your own, then I'm afraid this discussion is over.
What was this? &
Those who are anti-LGBT have provided good proof from Quran alone, that God is against homosexual acts,
while the pro-LGBT members haven't provided with one single solid proof from Quran alone, have distorted the verses to fit their desires (whether it be to fit their worldview or to please the rejecters to give Islam a "good image".), and have thousands of their own interpretations while they can't come to one conclusion.
what? when?
Was I reading another thread? brickwall
hmm
Relaaaaaaax and let's do something about tyranny and wars and poor and homeless and plutocracy and oppression because homosexual people is not the people bringing THE EVIL to our world. You don't even know if they are!!! We could learn much more from them.
And it is soooooooooooo important for God that those gays get punished that He forgot to reveal a chapter for their eternal punishment
Maybe it is then up to us to punish them... voodoo Of course they are so mean being born different elektro elektro elektro being the ones corrupting our perfect world jedi
Yes I am uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusing sarcasm!
Have a great day!!!
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Now I have a question for you, tell me how will you feel if you were a fish who had a son and that son was a lion and the lion raped a tree?
What kind of question is this? Are you questioning my logical reasoning, Mr. Bender? >
It is obvious how I would feel and what I would do!
It's all fault of those licentious trees there existing in the world showing their bark soooooo shameless and provoking my poor lion! elektro
And of course there is only one solution
CUT THE TREES OFF
TREES ARE EVIL
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Note this could be fftopic or not...
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Do you mean that "26165 Of all the creatures in the worlds, you approach males." is an original verse?
?Do ye come unto (ie. lie with) the males of the tellurians (ie. humans),
and forsake what your Lord has proportioned for ye to be your mates/spouses ?!
Nay, ye are a transgressive folk!? Said Lot, in the Quran.If so than you have a good point, even approaching animals would be no problem as long as they are female animals.
Straw man arguments are invalid.
But I would also have a very good point with this translation
5320 What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?Ignoratio elenchi with quote mining.
I really like to discuss quran verses but not with somebody who thinks he is playing a game of chess and certainly not with somebody who does not even know the rules of the game. FYI when a chessplayer does not have any legal moves left then he/she is not trying to get stalemated but he/she already is (or mated). you've lost your dignity, pathetic yuck
Interesting life story! More of that please.
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What kind of question is this? Are you questioning my logical reasoning, Mr. Bender? >(
It is obvious how I would feel and what I would do!
It's all fault of those licentious trees there existing in the world showing their bark soooooo shameless and provoking my poor lion! elektro
And of course there is only one solution
CUT THE TREES OFF
TREES ARE EVIL
You would have a point if the incident takes place in the winter when they are shamelessly naked, but I am talking about a tree in the summer.
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Do ye come unto (ie. lay with) the males of the tellurians (ie. humans), and forsake what your Lord has proportioned for ye to be your mates ?! Nay, ye are indeed an intrusive folk !
Straw man argument.
There are no brackets in the original, but you can put in brackets wherever you wish to make your point.
So "Rabbu al3alameen" means "The Rab of the tellurians (ie. humans)"? interesting.Ignoratio elenchi and quote mining.
I am just a simple human male of the tellurians who speaks only dutch, a little bit of broken english and some berber. If you do not mind then try to lower your level of geniusness so that I can also understand what you are saying.
But my feeling tells me (again) that your use of difficult language is nothing more than dodging.Interesting life story! More of that please.
Only if you make me again a nice piece of art. Do you have a latin speaking cow with glasses in your collection? Would love to see that.
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Wisdom at its best, Bender.
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Relaaaaaaax and let's do something about tyranny and wars and poor and homeless and plutocracy and oppression because homosexual people is not the people bringing THE EVIL to our world. You don't even know if they are!!! We could learn much more from them.
And it is soooooooooooo important for God that those gays get punished that He forgot to reveal a chapter for their eternal punishment
Finally alhamdullilah someone gets it! Allah (SWT) bless dear sister.
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There are no brackets in the original,
It's a translation !
but you can put in brackets wherever you wish to make your point.
Duh! done so already ???
So "Rabbu al3alameen" means "The Rab of the tellurians (ie. humans)"? interesting.
Yes, and "rabbu" too you should translate to english.
I am just a simple human male of the tellurians who speaks only dutch, a little bit of broken english and some berber.
Good for you
If you do not mind then try to lower your level of geniusness so that I can also understand what you are saying.
I don't have to lower my IQ to teach you what a logical fallacy is !
But my feeling tells me (again) that your use of difficult language is nothing more than dodging.
What difficult language ?! You illiterate or something ?
Do you have a latin speaking cow with glasses in your collection? Would love to see that.
Latin no, but berber speaking cows are to be found. If you wish to buy one barato, try a flemish nightclub.
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you've lost your dignity, pathetic yuck
hmm so here is the master piece of dignity by you... pathetic on its height .. ignore
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Do you mean that "26165 Of all the creatures in the worlds, you approach males." is an original verse?
If so than you have a good point, even approaching animals would be no problem as long as they are female animals.yes you understand now... male human and female human
as well as male animals with female animals produce offsprings..atleast animals are more inline with nature compared to humans .. they know that lion dnt have to rape with tree, rotfl the lioness is there for lion and a lion dnt have to sex with lion rotfl
aww i think there is also a sex detrmination in plants if i can recall it correctly ...
your own reasonings of LGBT digging the grave of your said claim again and again and again...
I really like to discuss quran verses but not with somebody who thinks he is playing a game of chess and certainly not with somebody who does not even know the rules of the game.
FYI when a chessplayer does not have any legal moves left then he/she is not trying to get stalemated but he/she already is (or mated).thats what the quality of this game .. losing king have 21 moves when he left alone ... lets have some more moves ... even king is already cornered plantey of times but some kings like to get checkmate again and again.. jedi
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a-innakum
Why do you
(27552)
latatna
approach
(27553)
l-rijla
the men
(27554)
shahwatan
(with) lust
(27555)
min
instead of
(27556)
dni
instead of
(27557)
l-nisi
the women?Indeed, you are an ignorant people. (27/55)
you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...
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And of course there is only one solution
CUT THE TREES OFF
hahahahaha rotfl rotfl the best solution... ...
ok what you will gona do with the animal who is is get raped by human... are we allowed to halal it then eat...?
like lamb or goat or cow..
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Ignoratio elenchi with quote mining.
a superbia initium sumpsit omnis perditio nope
Sofisms are cool when properly used... Wisdom and knowledge are very different things.
hahahahaha rotfl rotfl the best solution... ...
ok what you will gona do with the animal who is is get raped by human... are we allowed to halal it then eat...?
like lamb or goat or cow..
Of course not! We cover the goat with burka and we are all fineeeeeeeeee peace
rotflFinally alhamdullilah someone gets it! Allah (SWT) bless dear sister.
Aw you group
God bless you! sun
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It's a translation !
Duh! done so already ???
Yes, and "rabbu" too you should translate to english.
Good for you
I don't have to lower my IQ to teach you what a logical fallacy is !
What difficult language ?! You illiterate or something ?
Latin no, but berber speaking cows are to be found. If you wish to buy one barato, try a flemish nightclub.
The fact still remains that you have absolutely nothing to bring to the 3 verses, exept some expensive latin words, speaking animal pics, and insults to female forum members.
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People acting like schoolchildren...
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yes you understand now... male human and female human
as well as male animals with female animals produce offsprings..atleast animals are more inline with nature compared to humans .. they know that lion dnt have to rape with tree, rotfl the lioness is there for lion and a lion dnt have to sex with lion rotfl
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thats what the quality of this game .. losing king have 21 moves when he left alone ... lets have some more moves ... even king is already cornered plantey of times but some kings like to get checkmate again and again.. jedi
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a-innakum
Why do you
(27552)
latatna
approach
(27553)
l-rijla
the men
(27554)
shahwatan
(with) lust
(27555)
min
instead of
(27556)
dni
instead of
(27557)
l-nisi
the women?Indeed, you are an ignorant people. (27/55)
you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...
rijaal does not mean men but foot.
evidence
(22276)
rijlan
(on) foot(22393)
farijlan
then (pray) on foot
(3141)
zuyyina
Beautified(3142)
lilnnsi
for mankind (thus also females)(3143)
ubbu
(is) love(3144)
l-shahawti
(of) the (things they) desire -(3145)
mina
of(3146)
l-nisi
womenThus all women are by nature lesbians. This can be further proved by 2187
2187 It has been made permissible for you (males and females) the night preceding fasting to go to your wives . -
Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor. Here is a good place to start
Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.
rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227
rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726
rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012
LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl
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So, Bender, rijal in 726 is feet of humans and feet of jinn?
Rejul is induvidual, and rijal is individuals.
And the story of Lut's a.s. people is only about males from his people, marked as "qawm" and "brothers of Lut".
But to understand more about this people should think why Lut's wife was punished.Cursed are those who're following deen of homosexuals and those who wanna do sin with angels.
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Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor.
I think you missed my point.
If he (imran) uses corpus quran to make a claim then I am also allowed to use the same source to make a claim.Here is a good place to start
Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227
rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726
rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012
LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl
I don't see why this source is better than corpus quran.
Anyway, I know that a lot of people here use
1 quranic word (root) ==> n interpretations/translations/understandings/concepts/etc (n >= 1)
I totally don't agree with this approach, with this approach I can make every word fit what I want it to be.
I can make rijaal="berber people" in verses where I think it will benefit me, and I can make rijaal="not berber people" where I see some disadvantage for me.
For me 1 quranic word/root ==> 1 interpretation/concept
I don't see any link between "to go on foot" and " let (a female) suckle her young" or "man" etc
But of course everyone is free to study the quran how he/she think it will benefit him/her most.
