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Both brothers ,in my opinion, know that Qoran sometimes break the normal rules of lexicons and grammar and has a deeper meaning that needs to be patiently analysed and pondered.
From my point of view, we need to use our eyes, ears and brain/logic and work hard on our attitude to accept that we may be wrong and set on our ways ,then persevere patiently and be willing to change our views ,challenging ourselves to be honest and not leave doubts in our head.
Following our instinct is a built up mechanism within us by our Creator to test our resolve.
Understanding Qoran is a task that needs to be taken seriously with honesty and sincerity so that we are doing it to better ourselves and grow our soul./spirit.
Also ,in my opinion, it can only be done with the help of the Author of Qoran.
Best of luck to you in your quest.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Bold 1 I have been hearing from our siblings that Qur'an has it's own dictionary which in my point of view is a genius move by Allah/God (SWTAY) and i am incline to agree with it even though i have not verify it yet because i don't sadly know how to confirm it.
Bold 2 I completely agree you. I am trying my best in studying the Divine Revelation in a honest and sincere way and i don't want to mislead myself or others. Since i sadly don't know Quranic Arabic or Classical Arabic, i am using the classical arabic lexicons to help my research. I hope it would at least help me understand the Qur'an in it's original language. Salamun Aleykum/Peace be upon you.
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Ye have become the scholars you mock and despise.
11 pages 100 replies about nothing.Scholars? Mock & despise? We don't call ourselves scholars, atleast i don't call myself a scholar. And the replies is about evil & good.
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Brother HP_TECH, all the thousands of pages in here are about nothing if one does not pick from what is best and applies it in their life, in manner, attitude and works.
Also GOD s words can be nothing to some people, which reminds me about one of Jesus parables, I will quote it in summaryThere was a town with an unjust judge who did not believe in GOD nor respected his people. An old lady who wanted justice would ask him every day to give her justice against her enemies. Finally ,for some peace from her continuous demands, he gave her the justice she was asking for.
Perhaps another way for folks is to keep asking GOD for their queries and answers ,if an unjust judge gave to that lady her request, how much more would the Only just judge give to His servants/creations?
Renders this and other forums and all other creatures irrelevant?
GOD bless you.
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Yes everything is from Allah/God (SWTAY), HOWEVER there are some things there are not made by God (hopefully i didn't contradict myself) Weapons, it was not made by The Creator, it was made by humans from materials that was produced by God. And another example is Evil, it was not made by Allah (SWTAY), it is the abscene of goodness when humans stop being good and follow their immoral desires. It makes sense to me. By the way Allah (SWTAY) made fruits which in it is a healing for us
peace brother sardar ,
when God was planning to create human race it was already a discussion was going about the future achievements and also some blood shedding(WITH THE HELP OF WEAPONS) and do you think God dnt know what he was creating .. weapons are created by humans with the knowledge/mind/intellect provided to us by God.. so the ceation of weapon comes from God.
Did you see monkey making a Gun? why not ?
coming to the second very important part of your discussion real universal God must be one and there is no other KHALIQ apart from God to create evil or any other thing good or bad a example verse is given below
3962 God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things
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peace brother sardar ,
when God was planning to create human race it was already a discussion was going about the future achievements and also some blood shedding(WITH THE HELP OF WEAPONS) and do you think God dnt know what he was creating .. weapons are created by humans with the knowledge/mind/intellect provided to us by God.. so the ceation of weapon comes from God.
Did you see monkey making a Gun? why not ?
coming to the second very important part of your discussion real universal God must be one and there is no other KHALIQ apart from God to create evil or any other thing good or bad a example verse is given below
3962 God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things
I happened to check the arabic word of thing and i found it's in singular form (genitive masculine indefinite noun) both in Quranix.org & Corpus grammar, check PRL
Shiin-Ya-Alif = to will/wish. shaiun (pl. ashyaa'un) - thing/matter, affair in any way, at all, what is willed or wished, aught, any extent. In direct objective case it is often used to denote the meaning "a little", "bit", "at all". Adverbially it means "in any way", "at all".
sha'a vb. (1)
perf. act. 220, 235, 258, 270, 2220, 2223, 2253, 2253, 2255, 490, 548, 635, 641, 6107, 6112, 6128, 6137, 6148, 6149, 719, 7155, 7161, 7176, 7188, 928, 1016, 1049, 1099, 1133, 11107, 11108, 11118, 1299, 169, 1635, 1693, 1786, 1829, 1829, 1839, 1869, 1877, 23"4, 2462, 2510, 2545, 2551, 2557, 2787, 2827, 3213, 3324, 37102, 3915, 3968, 4114, 4140, 428, 4320, 4827, 7319, 7437, 7455, 7628, 7629, 7839, 8012, 8022, 8128, 828, 877impf. act. 290, 2105, 2142, 2212, 2213, 2247, 2251, 2261, 2269, 2272, 2284, 2284, 36, 313, 326, 326, 326, 326, 327, 337, 340, 347, 373, 374, 3129, 3129, 3179, 448, 449, 4116, 4133, 517, 518, 518, 540, 540, 554, 564, 639, 639, 680, 683, 688, 6111, 6133, 6133, 6138, 789, 7100, 7128, 7155, 7155, 7156, 831, 915, 927, 1025, 10107, 1187, 1256, 1256, 1276, 1276, 12100, 12110, 1313, 1326, 1327, 1331, 1339, 144, 144, 1411, 1419, 1427, 162, 1631, 1693, 1693, 1718, 1730, 1754, 1754, 1824, 219, 225, 2218, 2421, 2435, 2438, 2443, 2443, 2445, 2446, 2516, 264, 2856, 2868, 2882, 2921, 2921, 2962, 305, 3037, 3048, 3048, 3054, 3351, 3351, 349, 3413, 3436, 3439, 351, 358, 3516, 3522, 3643, 3647, 3666, 3667, 394, 3923, 3934, 3952, 3974, 4015, 428, 4212, 4213, 4219, 4222, 4224, 4227, 4229, 4233, 4249, 4249, 4249, 4250, 4251, 4252, 4360, 474, 4730, 4814, 4814, 4825, 5035, 5326, 5665, 5670, 5721, 5729, 596, 624, 7431, 7431, 7456, 7630, 7630, 7631, 8129, 8129
shay n.m. (pl. ashya) 220, 229, 248, 2106, 2109, 2113, 2113, 2123, 2148, 2155, 2170, 2178, 2216, 2216, 2229, 2231, 2255, 2259, 2264, 2282, 2282, 2284, 35, 310, 326, 328, 329, 364, 392, 3116, 3120, 3128, 3144, 3154, 3154, 3165, 3176, 3177, 3189, 44, 419, 420, 432, 433, 436, 459, 485, 486, 4113, 4126, 4176, 517, 517, 519, 540, 541, 542, 568, 594, 597, 5101, 5104, 5117, 5120, 617, 619, 638, 644, 652, 652, 669, 680, 680, 691, 693, 699, 6101, 6101, 6102, 6102, 6111, 6148, 6151, 6154, 6159, 6164, 785, 789, 7145, 7145, 7156, 7185, 7191, 819, 841, 841, 860, 872, 875, 94, 925, 939, 939, 9115, 1036, 1044, 114, 1112, 1157, 1157, 1172, 1185, 11101, 1238, 1267, 1268, 12111, 138, 1314, 1316, 1418, 1421, 1438, 1519, 1521, 1620, 1635, 1635, 1640, 1648, 1670, 1673, 1675, 1676, 1677, 1678, 1689, 1712, 1744, 1774, 1823, 1833, 1845, 1854, 1870, 1871, 1874, 1876, 1884, 199, 1927, 1942, 1960, 1967, 1989, 2050, 2098, 2130, 2147, 2166, 2181, 221, 225, 226, 2217, 2226, 2273, 2388, 2435, 2439, 2445, 2455, 2464, 252, 253, 2630, 26183, 2716, 2723, 2788, 2791, 2857, 2860, 2888, 2912, 2920, 2942, 2962, 3040, 3050, 3133, 327, 3327, 3340, 3352, 3354, 3354, 3355, 3416, 3421, 3439, 3447, 351, 3518, 3544, 3612, 3615, 3623, 3654, 3682, 3683, 385, 386, 3943, 3962, 3962, 407, 4016, 4020, 4062, 4074, 4121, 4139, 4153, 4154, 429, 4210, 4211, 4212, 4236, 4441, 459, 4510, 4519, 468, 4625, 4626, 4633, 4732, 4811, 4821, 4826, 4914, 4916, 502, 5142, 5149, 5221, 5235, 5246, 5326, 5328, 546, 5449, 5452, 572, 573, 5729, 586, 587, 5810, 5817, 5818, 596, 604, 6011, 6012, 641, 6411, 653, 6512, 6512, 668, 6610, 671, 679, 6719, 7228, 761, 7829, 8018, 8219, 859
LL, V4, p 349, 350, 351 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shya
So wouldn't this be more accurate
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Allahu khaliqu kulli shay-inwahuwa AAala kulli shay-in wakeelun
God is the Creator of all thing/matter, and He is Guardian over all things.Please correct me if i am wrong.
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So wouldn't this be more accurate
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Allahu khaliqu kulli shay-inwahuwa AAala kulli shay-in wakeelun
God is the Creator of all thing/matter, and He is Guardian over all things.Please correct me if i am wrong.
Allah is creator of every thing and He is guardian over every thing.
Salaam
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Allah is creator of every thing and He is guardian over every thing.
Salaam
I agree with you. By the way, why did you crossed out the word "all". I checked the Wikitionary and i have picture for you and pay attention to the Etymology & the declension
https//i.imgur.com/AedRvxj.png
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I agree with you. By the way, why did you crossed out the word "all". I checked the Wikitionary and i have picture for you and pay attention to the Etymology & the declension
https//i.imgur.com/AedRvxj.png
Every is also the meaning of "kulla".
What is correct grammatically "All Thing" or "every thing"?
We use "all" with a plural so we either say "all things" or "every thing".
Hope that make sense.
Salaam
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These are two different roots.
comes from root which means all or every,
and imperetive "kul" comes from root which means "eat"
I know.
But if you put the diacritics aside, your reasoning isn't so crystal clear anymore.
Despite the root is for eat, there are forms written , for the same word. But if you live in the deluded world of false diacritics this doesn't bother you I guess.
And eat something such as food isn't necessary for it, you can consume for example a topic or a even a book using the root, not literally of course, especially for the book or you'd probably have a very bad stomach afterwards. It means more like consume, such as you can consume food and you can consume clothes, or a false rumor can consume your intelligence.
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Every is also the meaning of "kulla".
What is correct grammatically "All Thing" or "every thing"?
We use "all" with a plural so we either say "all things" or "every thing".
Hope that make sense.
Salaam
Actually i noticed that kulli is a construct noun, neither a definite or indefinite noun so "every thing" would be the accurate meaning.
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But if you put the diacritics aside, your reasoning isn't so crystal clear anymore.
Despite the root is for eat, there are forms written , for the same word. But if you live in the deluded world of false diacritics this doesn't bother you I guess.
If you know Arabic then root and context of a word will tell you the sound of a word without diacritics.
Diacritics are for those who do not know how to say a word correctly.
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If no diacrtics are used still a person who knows the language will read in above verse at both places as "kulli" and not "kul" and will understand it as "every" and not "eat"
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Dear brothers Aram & Novice. Let us stick to the topic. You can discuss this in another topic about diacritics.
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Peace brothers
@ sardar I will not tell U things what U can't grasp as I see U still need lot of study but anyway my approach was not to tell you grammar and how people use that grammar
My purpose was to make clear on you that all/every thing/things are created by only one khaliq
It can't b someone else apart from God who can create anything with the help of source codeExample we cant produce even a particle of atom if we don't have source code
Now you are claiming evil is not created by God but then I ll ask an evidence from you in which God said I create this and thaT apart from this and that?
BLESSING IN THE NAME OF UNIVERSAL GOD
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@ sardar
My purpose was to make clear on you that all/every thing/things are created by only one khaliqIt can't b someone else apart from God who can create anything with the help of source code
Example we cant produce even a particle of atom if we don't have source code
Now you are claiming evil is not created by God but then I ll ask an evidence from you in which God said I create this and thaT apart from this and that?
BLESSING IN THE NAME OF UNIVERSAL GOD
Well i did mentioned this
Yes everything is from Allah/God (SWTAY), HOWEVER there are some things there are not made by God (hopefully i didn't contradict myself) Weapons, it was not made by The Creator, it was made by humans from materials that was produced by God. And another example is Evil, it was not made by Allah (SWTAY), it is the abscene of goodness when humans stop being good and follow their immoral desires. It makes sense to me. By the way Allah (SWTAY) made fruits which in it is a healing for us
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Thumma kulee min kulli alththamaratifaoslukee subula rabbiki thululan yakhruju min butoonihasharabun mukhtalifun alwanuhu feehi shifaonlilnnasi inna fee thalika laayatanliqawmin yatafakkaroona
"Then you shall eat from every fruit, so seek the path your Lord has made easy." From its belly will emerge a liquid that has different colors, in it is a healing for the people. In that is a sign for a people who will think.Bold I admit that i have no evidence the question you have asked but think of the quote above and you might see where i am trying say here. Now if i am wrong then i have made an error, i will admit or at least i hope so. Bias can have a bad affect and i hope it will not stray away from The Straight Path. Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you brother Imran.
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Not in the support of "Aram", who is probably deluded in regards to his little understanding about Arabic grammar, but I nonetheless would like to throw my two cents here.
is not about diacritics, it is about a form. In contemporary Arabic, it is second-person masculine singular active imperative of (akala), which is to consume. But the problem is, there were no such gramamtical forms in the pre-Islamic language, they added these like countless of other meanings, such , which means to oppose or divide, whereas to them it for some unknown reason means to direct towards, ignoring the very fact that this word comes is a derivative from root which comes from (adversary, oppose, hatred), in their fabricated modern Arabic, in order to make the text say what they wish it to say, and the so called "quran alone" who seemingly oppose the Sunnah still parrot the very same fabricated language, which Arabic Muslims or the Orientalists or even Christain apologists (for religious compromising activities) use).
means to consume albeit in the Quran it contains a wider meaning, to have sustenance in life, to lead a life. Expression means to lead a lifestyle , in Quranic terms of course, but materialistically it can be translated simply as "Eat food".
The problem with traditional materialistic thinking is their lack of critical and descriptive perception towards the world around them, whereas the material world consists of semiotic descriptions. If they see word hand, for instance, they will automatically think it means hand, and not something descriptive like an ancient proto-language would say, especially in a sacred poetic way. One has to be COMPLETELY free from any dogma, including the belief that one may be some annoited one, in order to understand the text in an unbiased way and stay critical and be ready to accept some things in the text you may not be ready to swallow. Afterall, there are many false prophets in this New Age...
