Are there Female prophetess
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Complain/protest without details, really painful!
Wa (and) azkur (remind) fi (in) -l Kitaabi Maryma (the Book of Mariam). (1916)
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If 'talking / meeting with angels' is a criterion of a prophet.
Then what the fuss about debating about somebody who has been long dead because there is a lady, still living among us, who claimed to regularly see and talk with angels.Lorna Byrne The Lady Who Sees Angels
https//youtu.be/ssAmweLstLEShe has released few books too
-Angels in My Hair (200
-A Message of Hope from the Angels (2012)
-Love from Heaven (2014)None of which requires you to believe that those were 'authored by God'.. (ehm)
And.. She never asked anyone to testify that she is the prophetess of God either (ehm)As of now nobody has created a cult / religion of her figure or make an idol out of her books.
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Soitto...
972 "Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from ALLAH IS GREATER It is that which is the great attainment"what does this phrase means in general when it is togetger.. It may mean God is Greater or great allegedly for that matter.. But actually does this verse mean Allah is greater in the context of 972? No... Just coz Two words come together doesn't mean a complete meaning of the sentence... Construction and context of the verse is so vital..
Not necessary for you to feel painful.. It's not God who deemed you... It's only another human like you deemed you as twisting God's verses... God knows how He deems you...
Why don't you present the full sentence from the beginning and explain to the readers that this is what the verse means. Rather than just point what your mind prefers.. So 1916-36 is part of the verses of the book of Mary..thats what it should be as per you.. Right? Coz you have considered it Book Of Mary...
In the verse 1941 God speaks about Ibrahim..
1941 Arberry "And mention in the Book Abraham; surely he was a true man, a Prophet."
As per you it should mean " And remind/mention IN the Book OF Ibrahim (as a possession).. That's so away from the context of the verse and the story explained in following verses... As per you if you take it as possession then whatever explained subsequently about Ibrahim should be quotes from the book of Ibrahim... .. Same in the case of Mary...right? .. Does the verse and verses following resembles as quotes OR further explanation by the author of Quran?...lets see how the verses continues 1942 "When he said to his father, 'Father, why worshippest thou that which neither hears nor sees, nor avails thee anything?" Does this look like from the book of Ibrahim?? Or does it look like the explanation of what happened with Ibrahim to us in order for us to comprehend his life.. It's not from the book of Ibrahim.. I can't deem so.. Not just coz I can't deem but it is not giving a clue to deem so.. It's erroneous conclusion...
Same with all examples you brought...
In the verse 1916 "And mention in the Book Mary when she withdrew from her people to an eastern place"
So you want us to deduce "and remind/mention IN the book OF Mary,,,, when she withdraw.... So the continuation is quotes from the book of Mary...? No..no not at all.. 1917 " and she took a veil apart from them; then We sent unto her Our Spirit that presented himself to her a man without fault" these are not quotes directly from a book in the past into Quran but they are elaboration freshly by the author of Quran which are given as REMINDING IN THE BOOK (QURAN)...Okay take this example and compare the verses you claim to be possession and Book of Mary... Book of Ibrahim etc..
Example.. Let's hope the title of the song is Enmity.. So the singer says to the creator of song to keep some lines about love also in the song.. This is how he said "Mention/remind in the song Love when they had good times... " Now will the title become as Song OF Love.. No.. Or can we hypothetically guess it is talking about Song of Love from song called song of love... No.. It is song titled "Enmity" In which love is explained..
Yes it is Book called Quran in which Mary Ibrahim Moses etc is explained and it is not the book of them, but QURAN...
Okay one more example.. Some one says " remind /mention in the book Ronaldino.. Will it become book of Ronaldino... It's just reminding in someone's book(lets hope title football history) about Ronaldino as well..
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Allah sends messengers to their people.
When Musa and Haroun went to fir'aun, the two declared 'we are messengers of your lord' <a href="http//tanzil.net/#2047">2047</a>
But when Maryam returned (not sent) to her people, it was Isa bn Maryam that declared to the people '... I was given a kitaba and has made me a nabi...' <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1930">1930</a> and that was a fulfillment of the prophecy in <a href="http//tanzil.net/#348">348</a> - <a href="http//tanzil.net/#349">49</a>
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If 'talking / meeting with angels' is a criterion of a prophet.
Then what the fuss about debating about somebody who has been long dead because there is a lady, still living among us, who claimed to regularly see and talk with angels.Lorna Byrne The Lady Who Sees Angels
https//youtu.be/ssAmweLstLEShe has released few books too
-Angels in My Hair (200
-A Message of Hope from the Angels (2012)
-Love from Heaven (2014)None of which requires you to believe that those were 'authored by God'.. (ehm)
And.. She never asked anyone to testify that she is the prophetess of God either (ehm)As of now nobody has created a cult / religion of her figure or make an idol out of her books.
Typical, attempt to destroy a woman by instrumentalising for it another woman.
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Yes, yes, indeed, we become richer spiritually and mor einspired and better persons by refusing to acknowledge Maryam. We loose if we acknowledge her and her mission, we become poor idiots who want to value a woman that was chosen by God for the women of the Worlds and for the whole worlds. We are so anxious to become deprived of the only woman who might be a threat to the glorious gallery of males, males, males prophets, that we cannot tolerate it.
Fantastic! I am sure God, and Maryam must be worried to death with our rejection, we are so clever, so important, so much empowered to judge, that yes, they must be worried.
It is so ludicruous.
We do not get Maryam's and her sons' ayas, how fortunate we are.
Congratulations, male club, congratulations.
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Hi Everyone,
I am not quite sure why everyone is upset on whether a woman has been a prophet. Instead look at the practical aspect. In a world where women typically didn't have many rights (not my doing so don't flame me here), only men would have been listened to. So God would have sent his message to those who would have been listened to.
Why get upset that God chose a (male) person to send a message to the people who would actually be able to convey the message to the widest audience?
Thanks,
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Jewish Dude,
What are you saying? Who is upset because God chose any male? There are many males chosen and I have never seen anybody upset about them. Who is upset here about a male beeing chosen as a prophet by God? Are you reading well?
What is really a pity is not that, the pity is that many males and even women take the fact that prophets be male as a kind of monopoly which if it is broken snatches somethign away from them males. As if it was their business or their club where they have stock.
If they realised how pitiful they look when they get upset because a woman, mind you not a thousand women, but just one woman would be a prophet, may be they would laugh at themselves too.
As to not listening to prophets, what? do they listen because they are male? No, they do not. They hear them and get inflated with pride because they are male, as if prophecy was something in which they have stock, the same thing as when people say that Beethoven was a male, as if they all the males, shared int he genius of Beethoven. However wanting to share int he honours does not even hint at that they would be willing to follow their example, their male prophets' example. God forbid, it is just enough that they can boast maleness of prophethood why go further?
Pitiful all right.
And of course no cause for thoughtful males and females to not benefit from all prophets example of whatever sex as they have always done.
Salaam
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sometimes i wonder why only a women can give birth to the male and female ?
males as well as females should give birth ( sister huruf do you agree with me ) ?
i also agree with you that males and females share each and everything then we can see equality in system?
actually sister huruf you should blame the author of bible and quran and all other religious texts instead of innocent males of this forum who dnt have any authority to claim what author did not claim ?
you are putting all of them in a dangerous approach be careful about it please..
but again my sympathies will not make her prophet as title ( becoz i dnt have any evidence from that source text).
wonder why author make such a HUGE mistake by not mentioning her name as PROPHET maryum when he already knew there is not a single quran follower(sunni,shia,quranist) will believe in her as prophet ? it must be in clear words when the matter is related with disputed things.. what do you think about that author who is causing trouble between sexes ?
another thing.. related with first question will make it more clear..
when having a kid in belly for almost 9 months women must think in such a way why God decided that women will suffer from that load. man just unload a drop of water and women shares more load more risks of that enjoyment.. and our so called system placed label in the name of father example when get admission in school the name of father conected with kid..very unfair .. mother maiden name only comes in passwords and memorable information.. when truth is this she is the one who suffer more in birth..
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Lorna Byrne The Lady Who Sees Angels
https//youtu.be/ssAmweLstLEjaffar very interesting video and on top of that she never said only "christanity" is salvation and the only correct path..
people like her you can see in every nation, who according to me are the addressed muslimeen of book Quran..
in their own offical version of holy books when you compare these
christians of bible
hindus of veda
musilmeen of quranvs
criminals of bible veda and quran... surprisingly we see in all major religions all peacekeeprs and criminals share same values .. and they are not different just labelling is different..
example
killer, rapist, robber, toublemaker, (criminals in all religions)
charitable, kind, protectors of weak,good doers ( peacekeepers in all religions )these musilmeen(peace keepers) must exist in every nation so do they exist.. its very easy to understand but still racism we cant finish ..
everybody just think we are correct , becoz we belong to this .. in reality its not that hard to crack.. just a big heart is require to accept the truth of life..
brother jaffar PM me your whatsapp if u can plz need to ask some things i m suffering from and struggling applying in my life .. cant share some things here..
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Quotes of Imrankawaja to Huruf "you are putting all of them in a dangerous approach be careful about it please.. "
No i don't think it is a dangerous approach.. Everyone has freedom to think and decide their own in the end.. No one will be in danger by some people saying this and that... She may be right and she may be wrong... in the end Quran is Right and there is no wrongs in it... If it is a dangerous approach it is wrong, who will get diverted to what she says only who are misguided by satan.. Can anyone make any one go in straight path.. No only God can... So let the freedom of Speech remain.. in my opinion her statement is not dangerous though i am not in support of her statement saying that Mary was a prophet.. People can decide whether Mary was a prophet or not with quran.. afterall what they decided is their guidance or misfortune..But one thing i dont like and agree with her in which she presume that believing women are in support of Mary being a Prophet.. Coz She talks of women in common... I don't think all believing women would agree to Mary as a prophet.. Gender is not the criteria of belief but pure intention and the quest for the truth..
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sometimes i wonder why only a women can give birth to the male and female ?
males as well as females should give birth ( sister huruf do you agree with me ) ?
i also agree with you that males and females share each and everything then we can see equality in system?
actually sister huruf you should blame the author of bible and quran and all other religious texts instead of innocent males of this forum who dnt have any authority to claim what author did not claim ?
you are putting all of them in a dangerous approach be careful about it please..
but again my sympathies will not make her prophet as title ( becoz i dnt have any evidence from that source text).
wonder why author make such a HUGE mistake by not mentioning her name as PROPHET maryum when he already knew there is not a single quran follower(sunni,shia,quranist) will believe in her as prophet ? it must be in clear words when the matter is related with disputed things.. what do you think about that author who is causing trouble between sexes ?
another thing.. related with first question will make it more clear..
when having a kid in belly for almost 9 months women must think in such a way why God decided that women will suffer from that load. man just unload a drop of water and women shares more load more risks of that enjoyment.. and our so called system placed label in the name of father example when get admission in school the name of father conected with kid..very unfair .. mother maiden name only comes in passwords and memorable information.. when truth is this she is the one who suffer more in birth..
You seem to be deliberately ignoring all that has been said in this thread and others and insist on answering with the same popular crap as if you were enlightening somebody.
I am not going to pander to laziness nor to heart and mind diseases. When people get tired of their own diseases they will do something about it or not. That is their problem. I have answered all those questions that deserved and answer and I am not going to continue like a donkey around and around.
If God sends menssengers and prophets, of whatever kind and sex and they reject them, it is their own loss, nobody else's. If they want to remember what God says about those who reject messengers and prophets, that is their business. Nobody else will benefit or loose.
Funny, funny, funny, that somebody should ask if one agrees that males do not have babies and females do.
?How clever and witty! bravo bravo bravo bravo bravoBut it is nonetheless diagnostic. ?Is it because males cannot have babies while women can that the worst amongst them(males) take revenge on women forbidding them anything else that is not useful to them? Many a psychologist, of any sex, would agree. Meanness is a trait that does away with manliness.
So Maryam, she did have a baby. It is only the baby and just the baby that is of any significance. She is a mere instrument, to be used and forgotten. That is what Maryam is for them. And they foam that anybody should think that she be anything else. Forget the ayyas God tells us about and forget anything spiritual or anything about her beeing chosen by God over the worlds. She is to be done away with, full stop.
Whose loss is it if somebody does not want Maryam as a prophet? Not God's, not Maryam's, not those who consider her as such and envoy of the Most Merciful.
Those who have a disease in their hearts and minds will not benefit from so many things in the worlds...
What does being witty(or to think that one is witty) do for anybody?
Humility and obedience to God (and not using God as an isntrument to uphold the boys' club) and thankfulness to God for the way He has created us, is what will help us to be happy, satisfied, hopeful and self-respecting and respectful of others, not belonging to the boys club where prophethood seems to be just a token of power or superiority, no matter how much crap is said about logic or nature or whatever. Nobody in his right mind uses so much energy to deny what they deny if it did not touch in them a very sore spot.
Yes, revenge on women for being those who give new life is very old, very, very old, and it has resulted in them being deprived of everything that cannot be used for the advantage of the rogue males. But that is not what prophets have taught nor gave example for, yes, those male prophets the antiMaryam crowd say they believe in, but whose example they will not follow if it kills them. They speak a lot about exclusively male prophethood, but won't follow the example of prophets, no way be humble, serve others, fight peacefully or not peacefully in extremely difficult situations... no just talk and benefit of all the power the world has to offer to males. Exactly what the male prophets did not do.
'Isaa, dear kind 'isaa, did he think her mother as nothing, just bore him and that is it, prophet was his, beause he was a male, and his mother just a tool at his service?
Those who deny Maryam it is their loss not anybody else's loss.
And those questions they ask expecting you to submit to their mean minds and hearts they should not ask them from us, those of us, males and females, who thank God for Maryam and her prophethood, they should ask them from God. He knows well. They do believe in God, right?. So ask God to enlighten you about that, if the request is sincere, It is sure God will give His answer. He always does.
Don't play with us seudointellectual games. It is useless. Go to the One who knows and can.
We, poor males and females that simply acknowledge the enormous favor of God sending Maryam to us, cannot satisfy
you.Salaam
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Another trend of God's chosen messengers is that they have families, each of the messenger have a life partner and at least a child <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1338">1338</a>
So if Maryam is married or had a future plan to marry and was chosen as a messenger she wouldn't have argued 'when no man has touched me...' about the prophecy for the conception of Isa ibn Maryam in these verses <a href="http//tanzil.net/#347">347</a> and <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1920">1920</a>
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Such Quranic figures are not meant to be understood as people who existed long ago and ye are somehow supposed to speak for/against them without illumination! Thats the exoteric bs of "hadithers"! To understand the esoteric part of the Quran (mutachabihat) one needs to stop looking at it with materialistic eyes projecting ones shadow of preconceived notions.
The surface of things is not where attention should rest.
The kingdom of G.D is within you, and so is "jesus" and "mary" if one only drops the ego mask, in favor of the voice within, to realize G.D.
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Another trend of God's chosen messengers is that they have families, each of the messenger have a life partner and at least a child <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1338">1338</a>
So if Maryam is married or had a future plan to marry and was chosen as a messenger she wouldn't have argued 'when no man has touched me...' about the prophecy for the conception of Isa ibn Maryam in these verses <a href="http//tanzil.net/#347">347</a> and <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1920">1920</a>
?Argue?
Asking a proper and very uch to the point question is now called aruing if it is a woman who does it?
We do not need any hadithers to trash women. Qur'an aloners do it perfectly.
Salaam
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jaffar very interesting video and on top of that she never said only "christanity" is salvation and the only correct path..
Infact she said religion / tradition doesn't matter.... it's the heart that matter..
She has also prayed in the mosques with other muslims... (minutes 23 on the video)
She has did such quite few times actually.. including in Shiite's mosques...I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not...Only occultist and sectarian paid much attention whether someone (who has been long dead) is a prophet / prophetess or not... and paid no attention to things which are actually important.
people like her you can see in every nation, who according to me are the addressed muslimeen of book Quran..
in their own offical version of holy books when you compare these
christians of bible
hindus of veda
musilmeen of quranvs
criminals of bible veda and quran... surprisingly we see in all major religions all peacekeeprs and criminals share same values .. and they are not different just labelling is different..
example
killer, rapist, robber, toublemaker, (criminals in all religions)
charitable, kind, protectors of weak,good doers ( peacekeepers in all religions )Good souls are just good souls
Rotten souls are just rotten souls
They can be found anywhere...everybody just think we are correct , becoz we belong to this .. in reality its not that hard to crack.. just a big heart is require to accept the truth of life..
It's a common characteristic of fanatics, with a big ego and couldn't escape their "Us vs Them" mentality.
brother jaffar PM me your whatsapp if u can plz need to ask some things i m suffering from and struggling applying in my life .. cant share some things here..
Feel free to send me your PM anytime..
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Jafar
Statement you made "I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not"This is a very reckless statement knowing that God has sealed prophets with Mohamed..
How can you say I don't care she is a prophet or not.. Only thing you should have said in my opinion "She is not a Prophet or she can't be a prophet as per QURAN " .. Do you agree Jafar? You can't be ambiguous.. It sounds like she may be a prophet and one option on the other hand she may not.. but only thing you don't care about both... You don't say directly both are wrong but just say you don't care... It gives option both being prophet and not is within the possibility. How can one say I don't care about a prophet?
God bless us