Issue with Salat/ prayer
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Peace jkhan.
How dark do you want it to be before you start your night?
Sunrise to sunset is consistent and clear to everyone in the world. No guessing brother. As defined in 913-4 .Peace GL
How bright you want it to be before you stop eating at Fajr?? rotfl
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Salam Brothers and Sisters!
This matter is not going to be resolved until you keep all relevant Ayats in view.
Please have a look at below variations of words for Salah and check what is the differenceCount = 32
The addition of with a word can change the meaning to great extent.Peace!
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Slm centi50,
why do you recite the Quran during your pray (Namaz) ? means this you holding the Quran in your hand while you pray.
indeed there is no written how many time you do , its you decision agains Allah, this makes more sense than the obligatory movements what is written, like some of my friends saying , ooops its time to pray ,i will pray quickly and come to you ... do you see what i mean ....
do you also say the dua of ettehiyyat? if you , i would not do it sinse you say
may Allah accept your dua's and Insha Allah we will guide to the strait pathSalam Kaltun,
I recite Quran because with the Quran have verses to praise, exalt and remember His greatness, His Mercy and ultimately our dependence on each of these attributes (11-7; 2014; 17111; 245).
And also
They are not all the same; among the people of the Book are an upright nation. They recite God's revelations during the night while they prostrate. 3113
This verse speaks of the righteous and how they recite the Scripture while prostrating. Prostration, being one of the positions of the Salat
The Quran does not specicify any number of units for prayers. It leaves it to our discretion But also it did not forbid you to doing units, as I said before, sometime I do 2 sometime 3 sometimes 4
No I don't to tahyyatu. Prayer is to commemorate God, and God Alone (6162; 2014; 2945)
That's how I do my salat
God bless you
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Peace everyone...
When we look at 2458?
We can notice that there is a requirement of permission in THREE OCCASIONS? it is obvious that the key here is sleeping / in a state of relaxation without proper cloths ?. Remember you can only ask permission if they are in privacy only.. that?s very important.. and it is considered as privacy time and it is (junah) mingling during these times unless without permission..
NO. 01 ..Before Fajr Salat ?? that?s very privacy.. coz that?s a time we do sleep in general and we get up for the Fajr Prayer unless we have more dedication before fajr salat..As a believer you can?t sleep till fajr light creep in? So kid knows Dad has done salat.. No more permission is required till sunrise and till the word comes Isha (unless they happened to remove cloths for resting/sleeping in between Fajr & Isha) that?s optional? which is AL DHAHEERATHI (this is a very special word, only once in quran)
NO. 02 ?. After Isha Salat.. it?s not in order.. just I took the Isha since Salat is mentiond? So for those who take Sunset is Isha.. then prays Isha at the best time which as soon as it sets.. So the moment dad finish Salat? it?s privacy.. no more mingling?Every time kid wants to meet him needs permission?
Just after sunset still darkness didn?t even creep in and the kid wants to take permission and dad is in a state of privacy? That?s out-and-out nonsense ?. Practically weird and a useless advice?But if the Isha Salat is well after sunset (for example normal time where Isha is being practiced by general Muslims around the world) Then it is really night and once the salat finishes it is non other than resting taking into consideration of the time period(Mohamed?s time) the instruction was given in the book?But with current day life style it still goes further?but the quran is first to the people of Mohamed.. Sunset doesn?t suit with common sense for the Salat Isha and also with the word ISHA itself doesn?t suit to sunset..?
NO. 03 AL DHAHEERATHI (only once in quran)? NOONTIME / MIDDAY ?.. God has not mentioned any salat name here is with a very specific reason?. Coz God cannot mention the name of the salat for an OPTIONAL TIME and for OPTIONAL ACT?. Removing cloths and having rest at midday is absolutely optional depending on the day?s situation..But before Fajr Salat and After Isha is absolute coz We got to do salat Isha and Fajr in a very limited time and that TWO TIMES are within the period of Extreme Privacy coz of human nature Sleep etc...
Midday Salat is not mentioned coz the Al Salat Al Wusta (223 is much extended period (177? So God cannot say BEFORE or AFTER SALAT.. coz the believer has the option to do salat before having rest or after having rest at midday ? the reason God has given such an extended period to the Wusta is coz we are much busy and we are occupied a lot and easy to forget the salat? But salat isha and Fajr are both while at home depending on the verses?Coz Unless we are at home before and after Isha salat kids can?t take permission..
Salat wusta we can perform it before we go to rest in midday(optional) and also we can pray after having the rest?. Coz timing for it is 1778 Liduliki Al Shams (when the sun decline from the High Point).. God Cannot Say BEFORE Liduliki Shams.. coz it is not the time and cannot say AFTER lidulki shams.. coz it is not a just after Lidulki shams? time is much EXTENDED.. That?s the reason God says 2238 Guard specially the Middle Salat.. missing this salat with worldly exposure and busy atmosphere is very much vulnerable? making this salat is not easy but performing the other two salat while at home and also in a relaxing situation is much easier and also at cooler night time.. coz God says Day is busy 737 ?Indeed, for you in the day (Nahar) is prolonged occupation/activity? and 2547 etc..
When the DAY is much occupied for livelihood and still to remember God is a tricky task?3832 That?s why God has given intentionally a much lengthy period to perform it and instructed us to GUARD IT though all salat needs to be guarded..but singled out with intent not coz the reward for it is higher but coz of the business and human love towards worldly materials..Chapter 629-11 is another sign of day prayer... there are lots common sense in it.. as well 4103
God guide us..
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6209 O You who believe! When called for the prayer (As salat) of/on the Day of congregation, haste unto remembrance of Allah and leave your trading. That is better for you if you did but know.
6210 Then when the prayer (As salat) is concluded, then disperse in the land and seek of Allah's bounty, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful.
6211 But when they saw some merchandise or pastime they break away to it and leave You standing. Say That which Allah has is better than pastime and merchandise, and Allah is better (of)The Providers.
These are very familiar verses among conventional Muslims and quran based Believers?.There are so many explanation based on these verses that the salat here is from Midday time?
Yes.. beyond doubt this is the salat indicated by verses 2238 and 1778? 4103..For those who say that there is no Salat when the sun declines from it?s peak, let?s see how they deduce?(remember for them only TWO salat/24hrs day namely FAJR & ISHA? So these verse should be one of these two salats.. lets work out)
Can this 629-11 be FAJR Salat?
As per the context of the three verses? it seems that the trading and much more activities have been taking place when the moment of salat occurs? simply a long day in between an instruction is given to leave the business..Can this be before Fajr Salat? Even in today?s modern life Congregations won?t take place specially for trading (let?s take it as weekly trade fair)? Taking this salat as Fajr is far from certainty?God say Night is for you to sleep and rest and that?s nature and that?s what happening though people do change the nature.. but not successful.. Simply imagining that people were gathered well before fajr in the complete darkness to sell their harvests, etc.. that?s insane in the time of Mohamed? So.. simply it was not FAJR SALAT?
Then, Can this 629-11 be ISHA Salat?
Remember these verses first of all should suit to the people which were revealed to? whether it suits to later communities like us or not is irrelevant.. Coz trend of people change with the development of technology?Can we compare the trade mentioned here with online trade we deal 24/7? No? Do we really gather now on a given day mainly for trade and amusement? That has no such values? it may be happening in remote villages to bring their weekly harvests to a certain place where people used to gather to buy their weekly requirement? ? but for modern life it is faded off? weekly harvest wont take place overnight to sell it before fajr? that?s totally weird
BUT, it was an imperative part and parcel of yester year people?That?s must ?. That?s the life style..so gathering of almost by everyone is much expected?that?s core of their life..
On a such Day when the time comes for Salat, leaving business and gathering to a certain place to perform the salat together (but individually) must have a real meaning for integrity? Coz the salat ISha and Fajr doesn?t seems such prayers according to quranic context of the verses.. even the Midday Prayer on days other than congregation day? God never even ordered perform salat in cluster ? but when people are around and gathered for any purpose it seems like making it together seems kind of hefty instruction? even 4103
Now let?s see 629-11 is Isha salat or not?
God says to leave the business but after concluding the salat Disperse and seek the bounty of God?This is not actually a kind of instruction after ISHA salat?Remember Night is not at all encouraged by God to seek his bounty but night is for Sleep, Rest, to praise the Lord, recite quran etc, etc.. but never dealt with the word of amusement or business.. Modern people may do anything? that?s irrelevant .. coz first quran should match to the people it was revealed..
By 6211? it clearly indicates that though salat is concluded, business or amusement is not concluded at all? it was ongoing process? but they are heading towards it with the love in them.. It seems like they were performing salat and finished it and heading? but Probably (Mohamed) was still performing salat in standing (watharaku Kaaima)? coz salat is individual though they made it together? they can conclude when they want? 4103
If we take the salat ended was Isha then business and amusement should be in late night?. But These indications shows us that having late night business and late night amusement is not at all the trend of the yester year people?And even after the salat God instruct to disperse the land and seek the bounty which is totally contradictory statement when God says night is for other matter which was excluded for business and amusement..? ?. haste unto remembrance of Allah and leave your trading. That is better for you if you did but know.?
There is no such statement by God to any Salat? That?s better for you if you, but know, has a real meaning? This is salat has much extended time but still God says when it is called for salat hasten only on the day of congregation?while clearly for three salat times are given and you can perform it within those periods before it is over?but saying to hasten only on the day of congregation must have a real value?
? First of all Salat is a new addition to the life of those Arabs ?
? It may give them a knowledge how Mohamed and others performing it
? Integrity and unity?
? Get to know of people who are Muslims while they are among them performing salat?
? Knowing who is muslim and who is not is very key for the life style of then? Many wars took place? so knowing muslims and their strength ? Coz on a gathered day almost all are there?.can easily identify who is Muslim/Munafiq / Kafir?.that?s a kind of support for the hearts of the very minority of Muslims who were raising a huge community?
? There could be many more reasons?. Anyone can produce such reasons?Can there be only TWO SALAT God ordered in Quran? For me and in my total understanding of quran? NO chance..
Simply question to those who say only TWO Salat is what is the salat mentioned in 629-11? is it Fajr or Isha... ;D