New article: salat timings as per The Quran
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Peace All.
This subject has been running on this forum and on multiple other forums for years.
I have read thousands of views ,most claiming they have an answer to
1- Salat according to Qoran, its timing, contents and objective.First let me make a clear statement to do with minimum salvation,as this is important for our priority
I see the deen as a state of mind. A mind that is in tune / in a relation with GOD the creator and respects all the creation. A mind that follows the Sirat Al Mustaqueen as defined in 6{151-153.}
"Inna Deen Inda Allah Al Islam" and "Ihdina Tariq Al Mustaqueem"
It is also a choice. "La Ikraha Fi Deen" .GOD does not force this deen on anyone.
Fa Man Chaa Fal Umin Wa Man Chaa Falyakfur?"Whoever want to believe...and whoever want to disbelieve."If one wants to become a Muslim ,then they should have no objection to following the best path instructed by GOD in Qoran, if they claim to follow Qoran/believe in it.
GOD does not expect people to pretend or to force themselves to do things they do not like or agree with. It is better if they were honest with themselves and only did things that make sense to them or things that they agree with.
That is better in the sight of GOD.
There is nothing wrong with having a private debate with GOD about all your doubts. GOD is listening.
If you want to take a journey with GOD .it is private and very personal between you and your creator.If you want to go it alone or rely on others that is also your freedom of choice.. But you are accountable for having the faculties(eyes ears and brain) GOD gave you to use. If one misuses them they have only themselves to blame.
For me it is a no brainer. I do not see a way out except back to GOD at the end.
So by choice and I am glad I realised this. I willingly decline my "Amana" other choice. I submit to the Lord of the universe and seek his friendship, light and guidance direct .
I do not see any problems with following the best path from Qoran s instruction. GOD has made his deen easy once the trial period of "making the decision" to enter into an agreement with the creator is over After all ,GOD will want to "try you" if you mean it or not!!!.
Of course my human instinct is fighting this surrender daily but I cannot go back on my covenant/agreement .In short we are free but people make a problem for themselves by conforming to things they doubt or do not make sense to them.
Your decision alone is required ,nobody else will bare your burden whether you rely on them or not.
GOD guides and teaches all the true believers.Coming back to "The Salat" , I have spent years investigating many views, especially those views from the specific "Qoran alone" brothers and sistyers. All asking " where can I find how and when to do "The Salat" from Qoran?. Yet after giving their views most fail to find the meaning and details of their claims using Qoran, which they were asking the exact thing in the first place.
The only exception that had a solid argument that was coherent and used all Qoran in context about "the salat" was this-according to my research-
https//submission.org/Where_can_we_find_Salah.htmlThe questions from everyone will keep coming about "The salat like
I wonder if someone has no limbs ,how they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone has an emergency to attend or forgets... , how are they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone is on the moon, how are they going to do it.?
I wonder if someone is at the north pole, how are they going to do it?
...etc.
All these have been taken care of in Qoran, if one is not capable or enable to be on earth or...Then they are excused. They do it in their head if they can or not at all. GOD is forgiver most merciful.The deen is not about rules and regulations ,it is about intentions , good morals and good work first and foremost.
The other helping items are there for the ones that can.. Each needs to follow GOD s instructions to the best of their abilities.
We cannot fool GOD or look for excuses. GOD is aware of each one of us . whether we are capable, where we are and whether we hear and obey him .
Or do you think we are left without GOD distinguishing our honesty and true intentions? Therefore you do what you can to the best of your knowledge!"The Salat" , sawm, Zakat, ...etc are a helping hand from GOD to grow our souls more for thiose who wish to come even closer to GOD.
Our views, can only look "without errors" to us, Each thinking that their " cleverness and logic of their Qoran study" has worked.
GOD s logic is not our logic, that is why GOD keeps sending messengers.
Is there more to come from Qoran?
I will say yes ,until GOD decides the end for all of us
If you want to do "the salat" search for your own version or carry on with what you have. You have the means to decide for yourself..
GOD bless you all.
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Ok, now I understand what you are saying about time frame. Here is a little tip, why not clarify and say something like this
Do you take "time frame" to mean- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
or - a time period in which one can do the timed-salat, i.e. it does not have to be for the whole length of the time period.
See how easy that was?
I take it as (1) but as I said before, in my view, the Quran is giving an exemplar/model to follow.
In any case, my point regarding evidence still stands, if you take 1778 as do salat at A (i.e. noon in your view) then it would be nice to have some examples from Quran. The best examples would be other verses with a command X li A ila B, but there may be no other examples, I haven't researched it as it's a difficult thing to research.
Peace
I agree that the duration of one Salat is given in 1778 (From A to B(darkness of night))in addition to ratifying 11114 where the point of time when Salat is due (At A which is close to night) is given.
If we don't have a standard duration or time length of a Salat then how do we shorten it ?
4101 If you are mobilized in the land, then there is no harm that you shorten the contact prayer, if you fear that the ingrates will try you. The ingrates are to you a clear enemy.
- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
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peace GL,
The reason I wrote "setting of the sun / sunset" in the article
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html
Is because I take "setting of the sun" to mean when the sun disc touches down on the horizon (i.e. rubs/press it, i.e. duluk) and "sunset" as when the sun is below the horizon. It just so happens "duluk al shams" could mean both. Unlike you (and some others) I'm not going to make a baseless claim it can only mean one thing. Such a claim is utter nonsense and damages the credibility of anyone who claims such a thing.Peace Wakas
So do you mean the starting point of Salat is as soon as Sun touches the horizon if you mean "duluk al shams" as rubbing of sun?
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Note that twilight is considered part of the night as per Quran. To clarify this timed-salat begins at morning twilight and ends when any part of the sun first appears above the horizon
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To clarify this timed-salat begins at evening twilight and ends with dark night
Above 1 & 2 are your research for Salat Fajr and Isha respectively...
Subsequently First flaw is you have mentioned Sun in no. 1 and not at all mentioned sun in no 2 ... Twilights are three types of three periods depend on the visibility... .. So better include "any part of Sun disappears" identical to no.1 rather than state merely twilight... if one tenth of the sun disappeared no one can say that is Night or Day.. Can we?
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Note that twilight is considered part of the night as per Quran.
Above is your claim that QURAN say so....
If that is right then it should befit for every circumstance when we consider timing related activities... For example Fasting...When God ordered us to fast?
2187 explains it with one of the crystal clear manifest verses..
According to it.. When the white thread from/of Fajr appears stop eating and drinking (and all what is not allowed while fasting).. Note here the verse 2187 doesn't say when some part of physical sun appears then stop.. Clearly not the case.. And to end the fasting Ila Lail (not relevant for this topic, so I discard)...So according to Quran it only allows as I have many times stated in this forum having sex is only an act in the night of fasting and not during day... .thats indisputable.. 2187 ..
But unfortunately for waqas.. Night is untill any part of Sun apears.. That is to say Sunrise...
So my long felt question is does Allah allow having sex untill any part of Sun appears while fasting? while clearly saying sex is at night of fasting? So what is night? If we take until sun rise then prove me that I can't have sex until sunrise while fasting...Don't say this is not relevant to your topic salat timing... Of course relevant coz your claim of twilight as part of night as well twilight ends sunrise ...
Is Quran contradicts or your understanding or mine for that matter?
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- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
or - a time period in which one can do the timed-salat, i.e. it does not have to be for the whole length of the time period.
See how easy that was?
I take it as (1) but as I said before, in my view, the Quran is giving an exemplar/model to follow
Above is your claim.. Salat is a constant time period.. For example from sunset to darkness of night... Or darkness to sunrise...
That's impossible..
For example if you do Salat darkness untill sunrise and complete Salat daily, then how would you praise the Lord before sunrise as it is ordered to praise Lord 20130 etc... If you are busy with Salat until sunrise how would you praise Lord other than Salat?
Also if you are busy from darkness to to sunrise in Salat constantly, then how would you recite quran at dawn...?
Coz that period is completely utilized for Salat - one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
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- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
or - a time period in which one can do the timed-salat, i.e. it does not have to be for the whole length of the time period.
See how easy that was?
I take it as (1) but as I said before, in my view, the Quran is giving an exemplar/model to follow
Above is your claim.. Salat is a constant time period.. For example from sunset to darkness of night... Or darkness to sunrise...
That's impossible..
For example if you do Salat darkness untill sunrise and complete Salat daily, then how would you praise the Lord before sunrise as it is ordered to praise Lord 20130 etc... If you are busy with Salat until sunrise how would you praise Lord other than Salat?
Also if you are busy from darkness to to sunrise in Salat constantly, then how would you recite quran at dawn...?
Coz that period is completely utilized for SalatPeace Jkhan
I think we can praise and magnify God with or without salat. If you recite Quran in Salah there are many verses to praise,glorify,magnify God. For example chapter 1 which is usually recited starts with God's praise.
17110 Say, "Call on God or call on the Gracious. Whichever it is you call on, to Him are the best names." Do not be loud/public in your contact prayer, nor quiet/private; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And magnify Him greatly.
And we can praise god any time of the day even if we are not performing Salah.
2119 To Him is whoever is in the heavens and in the earth. Those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.
2120 They glorify in the night and the day, they do not cease.5039 So be patient to what they are saying, and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before the setting.
5040 From the night glorify Him, and after prostrating.5248 You shall be patient for the judgment of your Lord, for you are in Our sights, and glorify the praise of your Lord when you get up.
5249 Also during the night glorify Him, and at the setting of the stars. - one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
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Peace Jkhan
I think we can praise and magnify God with or without salat. If you recite Quran in Salah there are many verses to praise,glorify,magnify God. For example chapter 1 which is usually recited starts with God's praise.
17110 Say, "Call on God or call on the Gracious. Whichever it is you call on, to Him are the best names." Do not be loud/public in your contact prayer, nor quiet/private; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And magnify Him greatly.
And we can praise god any time of the day even if we are not performing Salah.
2119 To Him is whoever is in the heavens and in the earth. Those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.
2120 They glorify in the night and the day, they do not cease.5039 So be patient to what they are saying, and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before the setting.
5040 From the night glorify Him, and after prostrating.5248 You shall be patient for the judgment of your Lord, for you are in Our sights, and glorify the praise of your Lord when you get up.
5249 Also during the night glorify Him, and at the setting of the stars.You didn't get my point I presume ... We all know we can praise God other than Salat at any time or even the times which God specify....
But Salat time fixed and mandatory act and is not merely praising God...
My question was how to do Salat and irregular praising at the same time...
GID orders to praise His name before the rising of Sun... This is not Salat for sure..
Then how can we keep praying untill sunrise... We never be able to take before surmising as praising time of God.. But we do Salat that of course part of praising the Lord but not Salat...Can we consider 20130 to be salat then? If no then be constant in logic
Can fasting of Ramadan and fasting of haj or 60 days equal... Things are different
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peace s1111,
If we don't have a standard duration or time length of a Salat then how do we shorten it ?
I agree there is an expectation from the model/exemplar we have in The Quran but in my personal opinion we should bear in mind it may vary from individual to individual. For example, one could observe a very short salat in comparison to their usual duration (whatever that may be).
Practical example
usual salat 25-35mins
shortened salat 1-24minsIn other words, in my opinion, it depends on what the person/group usually does.
So do you mean the starting point of Salat is as soon as Sun touches the horizon if you mean "duluk al shams" as rubbing of sun?
(salat al isha)
Theoretically yes it could mean either, i.e. sun first touches the horizon or sunset (sun below horizon). So one could apply whichever as I find either understanding perfectly acceptable. As I have mentioned in my articles this understanding can compliment "salat al fajr", quote"If we consider one undertaking 'salat al-fajr' (the salat of/at dawn) then it is easy to realise one may crossover timewise into some point after sunrise, due to concentration/focus and/or finishing recitation/reading etc. In other words, going from "before the rising of the sun" (i.e. dawn) to after the sun's rising, i.e. "edges of the daytime" in this instance.
Thus, the "edges of the daytime" could be incorporated under the 'salat al-fajr' and 'salat al-3sha' periods, especially so if one wished to extend these periods in length." -
peace jkhan,
Firstly it is clear you have not read the article carefully as you seemed to have missed this point
Please note "quran al fajr (reading/recitation (of) the dawn)" occurs at the same time as "salat al fajr" and are taken as equivalent in my understanding, proving a simple explanation as to what timed-salat of the mumineen involves .
Further, it seems you have not read the following articles which are linked to from this salat timings article
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.html
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htmIn brief, "SaBiH" is a very wide concept and can encompass many things. Same goes for "THiKR".
As I have mentioned before my preference is not to answer questions that are already in the articles. In case you or anyone wonders why I didn't reply to them. If people don't wish to read them that's up to them.
Re 2187
It's simple. One begins abstinence at morning twilight, and then it's immediately time for salat al fajr (which lasts until the sun first appears above the horizon) so there is no time for sex in the scenario you mentioned. -
You didn't get my point I presume ... We all know we can praise God other than Salat at any time or even the times which God specify....
But Salat time fixed and mandatory act and is not merely praising God...
My question was how to do Salat and irregular praising at the same time...
GID orders to praise His name before the rising of Sun... This is not Salat for sure..
Then how can we keep praying untill sunrise... We never be able to take before surmising as praising time of God.. But we do Salat that of course part of praising the Lord but not Salat...Can we consider 20130 to be salat then? If no then be constant in logic
Can fasting of Ramadan and fasting of haj or 60 days equal... Things are different
Yes salat is not merely for praising god. But praising is a part of it as you can see from 17110-111
17110 Say "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And magnify Him greatly.Similarly remembering God is a purpose of Salat
2014 "I am God, there is no god but Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance."
But that does not mean we don't remember God other time.
4103 So when you are done with the contact prayer, then remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. When you are relieved, you shall hold the contact prayer; the contact prayer for those who acknowledge is a scheduled event
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peace jkhan,.
Re 2187
It's simple. One begins abstinence at morning twilight, and then it's immediately time for salat al fajr (which lasts until the sun first appears above the horizon) so there is no time for sex in the scenario you mentioned.You mean sex is allowed while fasting but coz of Salat Fajr no time for that...
That's super cool understanding .. Really amazed with your logic..Okay.. During fasting according to your understanding you have to break fast when the part of the sun dissapeared... Do you breakfast first or Salat when you see Sun set...
Or just drink water at the sight of sunset and continue to pray until all twilights are over that's almost 90 mints... So stay more 90 mints in hunger... Then eat and drink as usual... That's too much of asking...
Or like conventional people delay Salat by 20 mints during fasting.. That won't work according to what you claim of timing...How would one come to know that sun is risen while praying Fajr to stop or complete Salat...
So his or her concentration will be sunrising... It's hard to know minimum half an hour to know exactly whether sun is risen or not even on a clear day if you are inside.. Or else you should repeat daily same thing to guess we have spent this much time..
How one would know exactly the sun is set of portion is hidden before he or she start pray isha ...Aren't these too much of stress on believers? While God says He wants make things easy for us...
Lol.. Just with curiosity.. Do you really practice in this manner it you just found out it is the way...
@ s1111...
I am sorry.. You are not getting me... Salat has fixed time and waqas claim it is continuing from one point to another.. That's why I brought it... -
You mean sex is allowed while fasting but coz of Salat Fajr no time for that...
That's super cool understanding .. Really amazed with your logic..Okay.. During fasting according to your understanding you have to break fast when the part of the sun dissapeared... Do you breakfast first or Salat when you see Sun set...
Or just drink water at the sight of sunset and continue to pray until all twilights are over that's almost 90 mints... So stay more 90 mints in hunger... Then eat and drink as usual... That's too much of asking...
Or like conventional people delay Salat by 20 mints during fasting.. That won't work according to what you claim of timing...How would one come to know that sun is risen while praying Fajr to stop or complete Salat...
So his or her concentration will be sunrising... It's hard to know minimum half an hour to know exactly whether sun is risen or not even on a clear day if you are inside.. Or else you should repeat daily same thing to guess we have spent this much time..
How one would know exactly the sun is set of portion is hidden before he or she start pray isha ...Aren't these too much of stress on believers? While God says He wants make things easy for us...
Lol.. Just with curiosity.. Do you really practice in this manner it you just found out it is the way...
@ s1111...
I am sorry.. You are not getting me... Salat has fixed time and waqas claim it is continuing from one point to another.. That's why I brought it...Peace..
Salat is never equal to anytime remembering and praising God.. otherwise God doesn't need to say leave business and Hasten for salat...we can do business and remember God and praise God... Can't we?
Why God call Salat is time fixed and giving it's timing in verse 11114 and 1778...After all by salat and normal remembering all Zikr of Allah...
Doing something at the time what God ordered has a huge difference rather than doing at our convenience.... It's commitment and shear obedience..Salat, saabih, and mere zikr all different... For Salat God says to be clean and not for Saabih and mere zikr... Never told not to near but for Salat...
** For Salat God has given Timing only three as per my thorough understanding...
** For saabih God has given certain timing.. Many a specified time... Example 20130, 5039-40, 5248-49 etc..but not kithab mawkuth...
** For mere Zikr of Allah no timing, any time of our choice....
God says those are the believers who establish Salat and end up as successful and in Janna. 231-10.. One example..
So given timing shouldn't collide with Salat and saabih since both Salat and saabih not same... . But it really collides according what waqas explained.
If one says above ** points are same... I doubt he or she understood Quran ...
Even malaika do saabih and not Salat... No evidence....Ponder if 1778 is Isha salat... God could have explained in 1778 the timing of Fajr as well in the following manner... Establish Salat Duluki shams (sun set) to Ghashak Lail (darkness of night) and from white thread of Fajr to sunrise... But God was not interested in any such explanation.. But only explained One salat... For waqas that is Isha of his choice but for me it is middle salat... But remember God didn't skip Fajr Salat in 11114 ...explained both Salat in one verse.. But strangely again explained in 1778... That's far-fetching... Beyond reality... Ask everyone to Self why God explained additionally isha Salat if 1778 is isha while we can clearly Know Salat isha time by verse 11114..
God says when you rise up, sabih the name of your Lord.. Is it salah though it has a time. .No ...
With all above I deduce salat has three fixed timing... Hope anyone would ponder on my understanding and compare with Quran
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You mean sex is allowed while fasting but coz of Salat Fajr no time for that...
Rephrasing what you said to show how illogical and self-contradictory your statement is
You mean sex is allowed while abstaining but coz of Salat Fajr no time for that
That's super cool understanding .. Really amazed with your logic..
Thanks but we don't even need salat-timing to know this as Quran says abstinence begins from the white thread of dawn/fajr. It just so happens the way I interpret it perfectly coincides with this practice anyway.
Okay.. During fasting according to your understanding you have to break fast when the part of the sun dissapeared
Rather than making a baseless claim about what my understanding is please quote what I have actually said.
It's simple. Abstinence is till the night (which begins when the sun is below the horizon). One would likely be doing ablution about this time anyway thus having a drink of water is rather simple, thus if one wishes to end their abstinence then observe salat al isha that is fine in my opinion. If one wishes to end their abstinence after salat al isha that is also fine in my opinion. There is no right or wrong for this issue as per Quran. Rather than making baseless/subjective objections please present some actual Quranic evidence to the contrary.
What is rather amusing is that you seem to be making out these are problematic issues when these alleged issues would be present in every understanding.
But perhaps I'm wrong and maybe your "thorough understanding" has no issues whatsoever. If so please create your own thread with your own alleged "thorough understanding" for all to see. -
Peace all
Below is a small excerpts of waqas's article...
Why The Quran has redundant and potentially misleading repitition is not discussed by the author, e.g. why mention Fajr twice. From my experience, 20130 is a frequent cause of issues for those advocating 5 salat daily from Quran
Why you ask others why Fajr is repeated twice while you failed to answer still why salat Isha is repeated twice while Fajr once ?
To be clear if in fact the starting point of salat Isha is at the Setting point of Sun and Fajr finishes at the sunrise..
Then... God would have stated without any ambiguity simply in 11114 Establish Salat At the TWO Ends of Night... What is two ends of night just before sunrise... And just after sunset.. But wa zulafan minal lail.... (but nearness portions of Night)... No need to bring Day into picture while Salat is during night...
If sunrise and sunset can be two ends of Day why can't it be two ends of Night?
Coz the main issue is sunrise and sunset is neither two ends of Day nor Two ends of Night... Two ends are two twilights periods... But you must be wondering But why God called the Two Ends of Day (Nahar) while the period of Salat is within night... Coz two ends only belong to Nahar (Day) and not for Night.. Twilights are part of Day and not night.. ...
Even one can claim..
*Sunrise is One End of Night
*Sunset is One End of Day..Both sunrise and sunset cannot be Ends of Day only OR Night only...
Coz untill the Sun rise it was night.. And coz until the sunset it was Day...
So logically they should belong to both Day and night and not solely to Day...
If in fact the salat Isha and Fajr are as per waqas after sunset and before sunrise respectively then God would have explained with best of explanations... How?...Establish salat in two ends of ENTIRE TWILIGHTS ...
Instead no need 1778 and 11114 and complicate people....But God's instructions is different... And much clear... ...
Three Salat is manifest.... You Can't GUARD Salat by OMITING one salat Daily (if two) .. You Can't perform Salat EXTRA (if five) while Salat is intentionally TIME FIXED by God...how you change time fixed to our convenience.. Nothing works but only instructions of God..
Choose the right option my fellow brothers and sisters... Explore and verify and follow yourself what you feel guided to you... Coz it's a daily act ...not just informative topic of Quran .
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Salaam Wakas
Can you explain how you interpret multiple zulaf in this passage
To clarify this timed-salat begins at evening twilight and ends with dark night (i.e. end of evening twilight).
This satisfies the Arabic plural "zulafan" in 11114 as these two salat time-ranges include morning twilight, evening twilight and a small part of dark night, i.e. 3 proximal parts of the night.If I start to pray salat al-fajr when it's still dark until light appears, and I pray Isha from the rubbing of the sun till it's dark, then these are only 2 'nearnesses' of the night as far as I can see
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran-night-day.jpg
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peace ths,
Highlights in red
This satisfies the Arabic plural "zulafan" in 11114 as these two salat time-ranges include morning twilight, evening twilight and a small part of dark night, i.e. 3 proximal parts of the night.
If I start to pray salat al-fajr when it's still dark until light appears, and I pray Isha from the rubbing of the sun till it's dark, then these are only 2 'nearnesses' of the night as far as I can see
From the above I'm not sure if you consider twilights to be part of the night, hence the confusion. I do based on the evidence in Quran, thus I am referring to parts of the night that are somewhat distinguishable from each other, e.g.
- morning twilight
- evening twilight
- dark night (i.e. minimal/no twilight).
Background
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html (which links to this explanation)
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.html -
Ok so the difference is that you consider the darkness of the night to be the third zulfah. My issue with that is that zulf mainly refers to closeness, proximity. So I'd translate 11.114 as "the two edges of the day and the close points of the night". Why add that here if the sunrise and sunset are already close to the night?
The night is close just before dawn and just after the sun rises above the horizon. It's also close at the 'rubbing' of the sun at sunset and just after the sun has dipped below the horizon. But these are the two edges of the day. Why add a note about closeness of night? It seems redundant to me, and I don't see more than 2 edges to the day in this scenario.And I have the same problem with the plural of tarf. The commandment in 11.114 to pray at the two sides/edges of the day makes sense. But the commandment to Muhammad to glorify at the a6raf al-nahar in 20130 makes no sense to me.
The only explanation I can give for zulafan including the darkness of the night is that it doesn't mean closeness, but advancement forward. This is another definition offered in the dictionaries. So zulafan would be rendered 'the advancements/progressions of the night'. This is supported by the use of ZLF in several verses where the word qareeb is already there.
34.37 وَمَا أَمْوَالُكُمْ وَلَا أَوْلَادُكُم بِالَّتِي تُقَرِّبُكُمْ عِندَنَا زُلْفَى
39.3 إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلْفَىIt's possible that these verses mean 'brought close to God to a near position'. But QRB already means to bring close. So these could be rendered 'brought close to God in an advanced position'.
I'm still chewing on this, not fully satisifed with any of these theories
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The issue you raise is answered in the linked to explanation below.
Background
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html (which links to this explanation)
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.htmlAs far as I know, taraf = extremity, edge, lateral/adjacent/outward part, side, border ,end, newly acquired. Used in verse 11114, it does not specifically mean sunrise and sunset. It just means the edges (two) of daytime/daylight. The 'edges' need clarified, hence 1778.
So, as you can see, 1778 AND 11114 are needed together for clarification and to confirm a time-range.
That's why I linked to it.
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Ok but it doesn't actually provide an explanation of what the edges are. You are simply stating that there are many edges to the day since the word is plural, and 1778 defines those edges as sunrise and sunset.
As far as I know, taraf = extremity, edge, lateral/adjacent/outward part, side, border ,end, newly acquired. Used in verse 11114, it does not specifically mean sunrise and sunset. It just means the edges (two) of daytime/daylight. The 'edges' need clarified, hence 1778.
My question is what are the other edges then? Because I can only think of sunrise and sunset.
And the same with zulaf. You state
In 11114, 'zulafun' is plural (i.e. three or more near/close/adjacent parts of the night). Now, lets use the minimum criteria for plural usage (i.e. 3), this 3 adjacent parts are to be used for the 2 salat (i.e. fajr & isha).
One example...
The time-range of fajr-salat = one adjacent part of night (twilight) until full sunrise (i.e. sun is fully above horizon)
The number of near/close/adjacent parts of the night used for fajr-salat = one.
The time-range of isha-salat = from rubbing of the sun (i.e. part going below the horizon), including twilight (one adjacent part) AND early night (another adjacent part).
You see, whatever salat is, one may be so focused that one doesn't realise the time and you enter the early part of the night (this is after twilight) THUS the plural criteria (i.e. 3 near/close/adjacent parts have been used altogether for the 2 salat). One adjacent part for fajr and two for isha, giving three.
To my understanding, you have one adjacent part of the night at fajr before the sun is fully up. And you have another at sunset. Once it is dark outside then this is night, not 'a close part of the night.'
Also sidenote, you state here that fajr salah begins at twilight. Can you remind me where this stems from? Why does it not start from full darkness prior to twilight?
And lastly, I've updated that image to reflect my understanding of salat timings. Do you agree with this? It corresponds very nicely with the reference to birds knowing their salat, as the two significant timings of bird song are called dawn chorus and evening, or dusk chorus
https//i.imgur.com/UvRfAuv.jpg
