Does quran says humans think by heart?

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.

You are saying that Our hearts are vital organs, but the association between heart and mind is best left to metaphor only, not real life.

From what I gather here most are saying the same as you.

Of course the brain does the thinking ,in the case of both the artificial and real heart. What some scientist are saying is that the real heart can influence the thinking of the brain.
What happens if in the future some brain transplant takes place? Do you think the function will be equal to the real brain?Yet the body may survive and does certain tasks?

Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor?

Sience has a lot to do to comprehend our creation and the role of our mind.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi20

Peace good logic

U said What some scientist are saying is that the real heart can influence the thinking of the brain.

Some scientists?! I dont agree with some, all “true” scientists know that heart influence thinking of brain, same as our other organs brother. If i kick into someone leg and he/she cries, it doesnt means that we think with our leg.

U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor?

Can you provide the verse brother i need to study it before commenting about this

Yes brother the science is developing, but this is proven that we doesnt think with our heart, if someone in a book says that humans think by their hairs, its not correct to say that science is developing and this may be true. Same for heart

God bless you.

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Yes I know you are saying like this
https//morgridge.org/blue-sky/how-does-our-brain-think/#~text=In%20order%20for%20your%20brain%20to%20think%2C%20you,the%20fundamental%20physical%20basis%20for%20how%20thinking%20works.

And I agree

But how do you know that this is a lie?
https//www.learning-mind.com/the-human-heart-mind/

Send me your proof that it is a lie
GOD bless you.
Peace

Mahdi20

Peace , havent i answered things you have quoted from this article before? Anyways if i didnt(which i did) as i said, if you want to learn, go study. i didnt made this topic to convince the people that heart thinks or not.

U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor

I asked from you to kindly give this verse in quran so i study it, but i think you forgot, so i ask again brother, please send it

Peace

Notealso i didnt said that this article is 100% lie, it has flaws, and parts of it which is correct hasnt anything to do with thinking. peace

hawk99

Peace Mahdi, once you learn to distinquish the difference between
literal, metaphor, allegory, simile etc., in the Quran I think you will then
understand the guidance better.

God bless you

Emre_1974tr

Read the Quran

9615 Alas, if he does not cease, We will strike the forelock.

9616 A frontal lobe which lies and errs.

Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level. It is the brain.

Peace

TellMeTheTruth

Salam!
ق ل ب is a root word originally meaning "turn a thing upside down", "change direction", "turn it about to it's face and back", "turn inside out", "change condition".
It is a process by which we can observe a thing or a matter from all angles and as a result get some knowledge or make a decision. So the word قلب can be translated as "intellect" or "الفھم". It can also be translated as Heart, which is not common in English, now.

Merriam Webster Dictionary
HEART
3 (a) PERSONALITY, DISPOSITION
a cold heart
(b) obsolete INTELLECT
Definition of intellect
1a the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will the capacity for knowledge
b the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developed

Example translation
يَخَافُونَ يَوْمًۭا تَتَقَلَّبُ فِيهِ ٱلْقُلُوبُ وَٱلْأَبْصَٰرُ )2437)
They are afraid of a day upturns their intellect and the sight.

Peace!

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
some verses you asked for
527
ألَّذِى أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَىْ‏ءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الْإِنْسَانِ مِن طِينٍ‏ * ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلاَلَةٍ مِّن مَّآءٍ مَّهِينٍ * ثُمَّ سَوَّاهُ وَنَفَخَ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِهِ وَجَعَلَ لَكُمُ السَّمَعَ وَالْأَبْصَارَ وَ الْأَفْئِدَةَ قَلِيلاً مَّا تَشْكُرُونَ
1785
وَيَسْئَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلاً
2;28
كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتًا فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ۖ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

Is bringing back the dead at the moment a scientific fact? No,

For me ,the heart is another word USED for centre of intellect and THAT FITS IN THE VERSES WITHOUT CONTRADICTION OR LOOKING FOR LITERAL MEANING.
However, our knowledge is limited and science is still in discovery mode. That is all I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi20

Peace brother hawk, there isnt any sign to take this as metaphor

Peace brother emre, so you say ناصیه in quran is actual forehead or frontal lobe? Then as i said its false, cuz every دابه has not ناصیه (if ناصیه is literally, and not symbolic/experssion)

Peace brother tellmethereuth, thanks for entering the discusuuon, what is the sadr(صدر)meaning in your opinion?

Peace brother good logic, i dont understand how the verse you have sent is in opposite to science?

كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتًا فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ۖ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

We all were death/lifeless(we were for sure from male and female gamete , arent we?) what are these cells has created from? They arent created at the result, and from the foods our parents ate? , once we were no more than seperated atoms, we became human, we will die and we will be seperated atoms again, then we will be a living thing again, and we will meet God, how this is opposite to science? (And its better to say that in the beginning we were nothing, then atoms and go on.)

And i dont understand what 527 and 1785 is opposite to science? (Unless about its heart part which is under discussion here)
U said However, our knowledge is limited and science is still in discovery mode. That is all I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.

I know that what you tell brother,

But just answer me, if i come to you and say that human thinks by their fingers What you would say? You will say its false? Or you will say that science is still in discovery mode and it may be correct?

Sorry for bad grammars and typos, its late here… o

Emre_1974tr

Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level. It is the brain.

Peace

Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level.

The thinking organ in living beings referred to in this verse is called the brain. Pretty clear and precise. And it is clear who these creatures are. This verse says that the organs of thinking in creatures created for testing are at forehead level.

In short, the Qur'an clearly states that the thinking organ is the brain.

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
So you realise that science may be telling us the make up of the brain- we do know that the brain is involved in our thinking- but it is not answering the main question
How do we think?

We can correlate brain activity with thinking, but we are a long way from fully answering this question.This is known as the problem of ‘intentionality’.
As for ,quote
"? (And its better to say that in the beginning we were nothing, then atoms and go on.)"

You mean we know how atoms are created in the first place? And how life forms in us? SHOW WHERE IS THIS SCIENCE?

Coming back to the heart in the verses of Qoran,I understand it to be the heart/centre of our mind/intelligence/reasoning/intentions/ making decisions... in us . Not the heart of the body.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

centi50

Salam to all

My brothers, what if later they come discover that both the heart and brain thinks.

I believe maybe we haven't reached yet this discovery

Quran talks about the ants talking

An-Naml 2718

حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ

Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

Just recently did the scientists discover this phenomenon.

https//www.science.org/content/article/shhh-ants-are-talking

This is my ten cent comment

God bless all

jkhan

@Mahdi..
Stick to point dear...
Don't give examples which has no sense.. We have a concerned organ and named organ in Quran that is heart.. That's why we raise questions.. Not the fingers.. How nonsensical to point out fingers here as example.. Totally irrelevant.. We didn't pick at random an organ and claiming it has certain features and functions.. We directly refer what Quran says..

@GL
Even you or anyone takes the qalb as intellect, it won't work out.. Then where does the intellect originate? Is it from Heart OR brain..?
Again read all heart verses.. It may give all of you some crucial viewpoint..

Science is ever evolving.. They never make their final decison.. They keep researching.. That's why I never compare quran with science.. It is a personal choice.. Accepting God in life is personal choice and thus believing in Quran augments it.. This belief cannot go further if you drag science with you..

One day in my office what human created made our life much comfortable than what God created.. Without human's creations and technology science life would be so hard.. That looks true if you look at in an angle....
Science and belief won't go side by side..
Coz this faith in God is unseen.. Believing in an unseen can never go in line with science..

One would respond to God's challenge.. Can they even create a fly?.. But human has created much better than flies and useful.. Robotic birds and animals are so cute.. So if one want to compare they would say humam also can create..
Science is human's discovery.. Great invention.. Don't underestimate them.. But never compare Gods hidden truth with it.. Coz science will overtake your belief.. That sucks I'm the end..

Belief is unseen.. Coz it is a personal requirement in one's life and it eases emptiness in life.. It makes ones life meaningful to live with hope..

Try to look in natural eyes as well not in on scientific eyes always..
For example.. I saw a huge fish tail.. Scientist would say.. No.. It is a mammal tail.. It is whale..
I saw some big birds flying in the distance horizon.. .. No they are bats.. Some mammals flying..

Trust science.. If you have knowledge on it.. If you have verified.. Fine.. No issues.. Suppose one would say there is a brain in stomach.. New research has found.. Just don't accept all of a sudden.. Just study and verify.. Who knows there may be..
You can't accept Quran until science proves it is right.. It would be too late..
Thank you..

jkhan

Salam everyone, I hope that all of you are healthy

When i was reading quran, i noticed that in all of the quran thinking is related to heart(qalb) not brain, above all the 2246 says that this qalb are in chests(sadr) what is the explanation here? Does it means that Quran says that source of thinking is heart?(which is not) the answers in internet arent convincing, some of them says that Science is wrong and quran is correct and we dont accept the science ,and some of them copy pasted an article that says heart have 40000 neurons and it can think(honestly if you show this article to any medical doctor or college professor she/he will just laugh to you)

I hope that you guys can help about the meaning

Thanks, peace

Peace Good logic..

Since Mahdi has brought the verse 2246. Let's consider grammar in 2246 .. According corpus.quran ..heart is feminine.. If we take it as something else like knowledge or intellect or whatever then does the grammar suit to it..
Coz it continues as Bi-Ha (with it /feminine) and allathi / feminine... If you don't take it literally you all have to answer many more questions based on Quran..

good_logic

Peace jkhan.

I am not eliminating anything . I am simply saying the verses make complete sense using "heart" as a metaphor of anything, As the most important part that keeps it alive .
i.e the heart of the mind keeps our mind ticking/alive ,our intelligence ticking ...etc
One is not walking as a dead zombie. i.e dead mind/intelligence ...etc But with a Seeing, hearing and thinking heart .
I know science has not proved a lot of things about the real heart like I explained in my posts.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

Peace jkhan.

I am not eliminating anything . I am simply saying the verses make complete sense using "heart" as a metaphor of anything, As the most important part that keeps it alive .
i.e the heart of the mind keeps our mind ticking/alive ,our intelligence ticking ...etc
One is not walking as a dead zombie. i.e dead mind/intelligence ...etc But with a Seeing, hearing and thinking heart .
I know science has not proved a lot of things about the real heart like I explained in my posts.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace brother GL..

I don't know what to say and what not to say... Your explanation is so ambiguous.. Either you didn't get what Quran says when it comes to heart or you are just stuck in this topic and still persisting...

Or else you forgot the meaning of mataphore to be exact.. Or else I am not good enough to grasp your metaphorical replies..
Anyhow I have no further comments on your above statement..
Always welcome robust answers from you lovely brother.. ..
Thank you..

Mahdi20

Peace good logic, no, now we doesnt know how atoms were created first,but may we will in future, as science develop( i hope that you doesnt compare this with thinking of heart yay at finding this is not the job of biology/medicine

Peace centi50, thanks for entering the discussion

U said My brothers, what if later they come discover that both the heart and brain thinks.

I believe maybe we haven't reached yet this discovery

Answered this so many times in this topic

U said An-Naml 2718

حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ

Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

Just recently did the scientists discover this phenomenon.

https//www.science.org/content/article/shhh-ants-are-talking

I havent read your article , but yes, animals communicate/talk with each other in various types.

Also in this verse naml isnt ant, if solomon would be able to hear animals and etc, he would get serious mentall diseases and he would die(imagine hearing 100000 animals voice 24hrs , all day)

Peace jkhan

U said Don't give examples which has no sense.. We have a concerned organ and named organ in Quran that is heart.. That's why we raise questions.. Not the fingers.. How nonsensical to point out fingers here as example.. Totally irrelevant.. We didn't pick at random an organ and claiming it has certain features and functions.. We directly refer what Quran says..

I was just trying to sense if thinking by fingers is funny and false in common view, thinking with heart is also funny for a person with basic knowledge of heart and brain Anatomy and Physiology

U said Science is ever evolving.. They never make their final decison.. They keep researching.. That's why I never compare quran with science.. It is a personal choice.. Accepting God in life is personal choice and thus believing in Quran augments it.. This belief cannot go further if you drag science with you..

peace peace Answered this so many times, brother, if Iron is metal and isnt nonmetal, you wont say may science evolve and maybe Fe is non metal, will you?

U said One day in my office what human created made our life much comfortable than what God created.. Without human's creations and technology science life would be so hard.. That looks true if you look at in an angle....
Science and belief won't go side by side..
Coz this faith in God is unseen.. Believing in an unseen can never go in line with science..

rotfl Think well and you will not put those things in 2 different group(human creation and God creation) , God created creations(humans) and this creations created those creations(which you call human creations) but those are from God, A created B, if there wasnt A then there wouldnt B

U saidOne would respond to God's challenge.. Can they even create a fly?.. But human has created much better than flies and useful.. Robotic birds and animals are so cute.. So if one want to compare they would say humam also can create..
Science is human's discovery.. Great invention.. Don't underestimate them.. But never compare Gods hidden truth with it.. Coz science will overtake your belief.. That sucks I'm the end..

Those mechanical birds are cute, but a creating a bee is so much harder than those mechanical birds. Also these mechanical birds wouldnt be here if God didnt created atoms and etc peace

science isnt in battle with God, idk why you think like this(or it is the view that i get from your comments and may i am wrong) if you see so many people of knowledge are atheist and etc, its just the persons mistake.

You also didnt mentioned why u think that we have 2 to 4 brains.

U said Even you or anyone takes the qalb as intellect, it won't work out.. Then where does the intellect originate? Is it from Heart OR brain..?

I agree with you in this case, God bless all of you

jkhan