Is Love an Illusion?

Tay

Peace Jaxal,

1.Doubtfulness or uncertainty as regards interpretation ?leading a life of alleged moral ambiguity? (Anatole Broyard).
2.Something of doubtful meaning a poem full of ambiguities.

In other words, when a word is spoken, it can be considered ambiguous only when the the person being spoken to will have uncertainty regarding it's interpretation. For instance "a dirty little boy"
This could mean the little boy had dirt and grime all over his body, or it could mean the little boy is a pervert.

However, you saying you love KFC leaves no room for doubt. No one is going to think you are having a meaningful relationship with a bucket of chicken. What you offered was a variation of the term "love", not an example of the term's ambiguity.

This is constructive criticism bro, not an insult.

Putting that aside, your last comment is troubling...

I have no need for you to understand what im saying. Weather you agree or not

Then why bother participating in a discussion? And why challenge everyone to prove you wrong? I feel you've taken my comments personally. My apologies if I've insulted you in any way.

Getting back to the topic...perhaps not believing in love is comforting for you. I've met quite a few people in my life, and it seems suspicious that those who disbelieve in love are always the same people who've been hurt by believing in love.

Conversely, those who babble endlessly about all the wonders of love are usually the same ones who have found love in someone special.

So is the truth about love completely subjective? Or is it simply a matter of the mind trying to protect itself? I think you know where I stand - I've been on both sides of the story.

Peace,
Tay

unknownuser

Hello Majidah,

Salaam Br Lote-Tree,
I will only add that LOVE has many sides both good and bad.

I would like to believe that Love is Good. But it is how we deal with Love and how we come to terms with Love that can lead us to either disbelieve in the Goodness of Love like Jaxal has.

And Love has many levels.

Aye.

With this I mean that love is good when you can have your love in peace with someone but when for an example jelousy come in then it can kill the love and change it to hate.

Again I say, it is how you deal with love and how you come to terms with love that determines hate and jealousy.

With levels i mean that you can love someone in different ways, your partner who you share the bed with can you love passionated but your kids you love in another way and the same with your parents, relatives,friends and so on.

Yes, romantic love is not same as the love you have for your children or your friends because Romantic love is tied up with Sex. And Love is not sex in my viewpoint. So concept of Love is the same? What say you?

For me Love is so magic you never knows how it will turn you!

Aye Majidah, it is so magic! Even the pain of it all, the Hot Iron Through Your Soul of unrequited Love melts away into magic!...When Love beckoned to me I followed Love, Though Love's Words shattered my Dreams!

Regards,

unknownuser

Hello Nural,

Peace,
I personally think it is very important and is like gravity in our lives, gravity is invisible but holds the solar systems and galaxies together. Love is what unites and is needed for peace. Scientists have limited knowledge of gravity at the moment, but with love I think every individual has a different understanding of it. Love is too vague and I think in this thread needs to be defined more clearly. But generally love is a good thing no matter what!

Good stuff in your post chap. Good insights.

By the way, great and interesting thread Lotetree. More heart warming, unlike the heated debates!

Thank you. I thought I try different approach. You can only take so much of heated debates. But Love is a Great Healer and Uniter -)
And Love is very important to all of us.

Regards,

Jaxal

SaLaM LT

Even the pain of it all, the Hot Iron Through Your Soul of unrequited Love melts away into magic

That is so deep LT. Who are you in love with wink

unknownuser

SaLaM LT

Even the pain of it all, the Hot Iron Through Your Soul of unrequited Love melts away into magic

That is so deep LT. Who are you in love with wink

Deep? Yes, I am poet chap...
(but not a good one I am afraid but I do my best -) )

Regards,

SwedenMajidah

Salaam Br Lote-Tree,

I agree that love can differ from person to person and that love is a state of mind.

I'm often in love with many things not only humans lol

You seems to be so romantic Lote lol

Peace
Sis Majidah

Tony

"Love" is not preached in the Quran. Why? Because that term is too broad. Love can be an intense feeling/ emotion or it can be a charitable act. Christians say of the Quran "The Quran does not teach us to love." Christians look at the mushy side of it.

Since the Quran is the best hadith, it goes straight to the point. It teaches us charity, justice, honesty, commitment, defense of the weak, etc..That is what "True Love" is all about.

SwedenMajidah

Salaam Br Tony,

Exactly you scored the highest points

Of course love is all that you mention and that is real pure love teaching from Al Quran.

Peace
Sis Majidah

Elena

Christians say of the Quran "The Quran does not teach us to love." Christians look at the mushy side of it.

generalizations are unfair (

SwedenMajidah

Salaam Elena,

I think Tony doesn't refer to all christians.

But actually i have also heard that from christians that Quran compared to the Bible have less of love.

But it must be the reasons that God don't write exactly the word love in Quran but are generally talking about good acts that are indeed love acts.

Peace
Sis Majidah

Tony

Salaam Br Tony,

Exactly you scored the highest points D

Of course love is all that you mention and that is real pure love teaching from Al Quran.

Peace
Sis Majidah

Thank you, pretty sis. D

Christians say that "God is love" 1 John 48

Then goes on to say this

1Co 134 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 135 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
1Co 136 rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
1Co 137 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Take note, the underlined words and the following contradictions that follow them.

"Love envieth not" but the bible also says, "...for I am a jealous God" (Exo 205)

"Vaunted not itself"...but God in the Bible always emphasize His greatness.

"Taketh not account of evil" but the bible also says that people are judged according to their works (Rev 2012 ).

"Believeth all things"...the God believes ALL THINGS???

"Hopeth all things"...the God hopes???

Humans cannot pinpoint what exactly love is. Even the bible writers were confused.

Elena

Paz (Spanish for Peace)

Majidah, what's the Swedish word for Peace?

Lote Tree, would you like to include in your thread the different views of love from different beliefs, say Sikhism, Buddhism, etc? If, please, share what you all know about that.

SwedenMajidah

Salaam Sis Elena,

Peace is in Swedish languageFrid you pronounce the "i" as ee.

Are you in love sis?

Peace,Frid,Paz

Sis Majidah

unknownuser

Salaam Br Lote-Tree,
I agree that love can differ from person to person and that love is a state of mind.
I'm often in love with many things not only humans lol

You seems to be so romantic Lote lol

Peace
Sis Majidah

But are we not all Romantic?
Do we not all want that special someone to sweep us away in a joyous embrace and transform us into a swarm of multi-coloured butterflies that dance in the gentle summer breeze or into a shower of cool summer rain that kisses the velvety petals of tulips and daffidils in the Swedish countryside?

Regards,

esimsek100

Peace all,

Sorry, but I'm tired and I can't really be bothered reading the whole of this thread, so I'm going to put my 5 cents worth.

In my opinion love is an illusion.

From a atheist/scientific point of view, companionship is done purely on the basis of survival of the fittest. Yes even 'love' of children has to do with survival of the fittest.

Even the feeling of 'love' of God can be labeled as surviving the test.

You're preserving your genetics/self.

I'd rather people use the term, realisation of God's existence rather than "love" of God.

Love decays, dies, it can very easily be manipulated (believe me done it plenty of times before).

I won't reveal too much but I'll define love as an economic supply/demand curve.

wink

unknownuser

Hello Elena,

Lote Tree, would you like to include in your thread the different views of love from different beliefs, say Sikhism, Buddhism, etc? If, please, share what you all know about that.

I prefer to hear what people have to say about love first and try to understand their perspective. May be later we can discuss how different faith percieve Love in all its aspect...

Regards,

unknownuser

From a atheist/scientific point of view, companionship is done purely on the basis of survival of the fittest.

Really? How does unrequited Love have any survival value?
And why would the healthy love the ill or the deseased? Where is the survival value in that?

Even honest atheist can't discount love! -)
Love seems to go beyond mere survival value.
You can even bleed and die joyfully for love...

Regards,

Andya_Primanda

From a atheist/scientific point of view, companionship is done purely on the basis of survival of the fittest.

Really? How does unrequited Love have any survival value?
And why would the healthy love the ill or the deseased? Where is the survival value in that?

Even honest atheist can't discount love! -)
Love seems to go beyond mere survival value.
You can even bleed and die joyfully for love...

Regards,

I agree with esimsek on love being an adaptation for survival.

If you love someone of the opposite sex, chances are you will have kids with her/him, and also takes good care of her/him and your children. That makes good sense for survival. You help your genes by protecting your children.

If the healthy loves the ill in a social group, they help the ill individuals survive. These people may reciprocate by taking care of their companion when it's their turn to be healthy and their companion to be ill. Reciprocal cooperation helps the group survive, and as in the past groups tend to consist of closely related individuals this also makes sense in terms of survival.

But I agree that humans are capable of having true altruistic love, i.e. love that extends beyond its survival value. This may be the effect of certain ideas and thoughts--religion, philosophy, etc.

I know that you think romantically, but as far as I'm concerned that's just side-effects. The core is, after all, that love is an adaptation. Not that it devalues love. A lot of wonderful things we have may be adaptations religion, sense of morality, sense of justice, etc. But then again, so are a lot of bad things too for instance xenophobia and the ability to cheat.

unknownuser

I know that you think romantically, but as far as I'm concerned that's just side-effects.

On the contrary Andya. I think Romantic Love is just the begining of trying to understand the meaning of Love. See previous posts -)

What is the survival value of unrequited love Andya?

Regards,

Jaxal

SaLaM

One does not need love to survive. Apart from that, completely agree with esimsek100's post.

You can even bleed and die joyfully for love...

Just like the sucide bombers do, for their Love of God. See? Loooooooolll How useless the word Love is? Love dont give u special powers. There is nothing u cant do when your in love, than when ur NOT in love. Infact, you willl do it better. Love clouds ur mind. Throws off ur judgement. U use ur heart instead of your brain.

Love, if anything, impairs u from making the right judgement. From doing the right thing. Same effect after drinking alcohol or smoking weed.