gay people and islam
-
well, I didn't say i don't care ..... and stopped
There was no need to go any further - rest is just extraneous words on your behalf...stopping at the "I don't care" was the most important bit..
Regards,
-
well, I didn't say i don't care ..... and stopped
There was no need to go any further - rest is just extraneous words on your behalf...stopping at the "I don't care" was the most important bit..
Regards,
fine with me, you may send you children to a homo oriented school then, but I guess it must be private, because the hetro parent wills stop the homos from invading our public schools to cotrrupt the innocent children minds
Regards
-
Hi all,
There seem to have been emotional responses yet again.
We can discuss peacefully only if we steer clear of such emotional responses.Shame on you gay activist, you acre for the adults homos and you don't give a fluke about the innocent children
There u go. Like I said, I dont think we have any ''gay activists'' in this discussion. The ones who happen to be speaking in favour of non discrimination are those who want to be unbiased and real about truth.
This is what the White Supramist said about the Black's in America! So we should remove all these people from position of power and influence?
JK- Those people didnt base their racial assertions based on crime. Morover it is clear without a dount that no one chooses to be black or white. But theres no proof at all regarding this for gays.
We are talking only of those homosexuals who might have a natural inclination(biological) towards a member of the same sex. These people loathe the idea of being with the opposite sex. So the ''homosexuality'' is deeper than suggestions in their head. its not a choice they make.
Incase u havent read my post earlier, this is from a textbook of neuroscience.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=73899#73899The main problem the gay acticvist delbert;y turn a blind eye regarding the homos invading our schools to manipulate and corrupt our children innocnet minds
Homos invading children?
What about all the heterosexual ideas invading children at such young age? What about all those young girls lured into sex resulting in teenage pregnancies? In UK, I have found young girls(who are still in schools) being burdened with babies(ofcourse, most cases the guy deserts her coz he doesnt wanna mess his life). Shouldnt they be studying instead of being burdened with sex, boys, pregnancy at such a young age?
What about the innumerable sexual abuses? What about all the paedophilia? What about all those young school children getting raped?And have u also heard of young children being kidnapped or lured to become prostitutes by and for the so called heterosexuals?So, some heterosexuals more than invade young school children with ideas....they force themselves on them.What I am trying to point out is, its not homosexuals or homosexuality that these children are faced with. It's ''sex'' in general. Thats why it is wrong. Coz they are young children. Be it heterosexuals people bothering them or homosexual people. its all wrong. Ur view is biased and thats why u r viewing it as an isolated homosexual picture. I am against any ''sexual influence'' on young children be it homo or hetero.
i also don't agree with the display of filthy called the yearly mardi crap, we the hetro don't celebrate our sexuality, this clearly means that they are the ones who know it is not normal realizing they fell in its trap and want tp force it on the hetro and their children, the homos are also clear cut HETRO BASHERS
I have no clue what ''the yearly mardi'' is. But to adress, ur point that heterosexuals dont celebrate their sexuality, all I can say is ''who are u kidding?'' R u now also turning a blind eye to all those porn magazines, websites, movies etc filled with heterosexual porn?
And for the ''heterobashers'' remark, I think we propably had one homsexual person in this thread and he did no ''hetero bashing''. Tell me how many have been doing ''homo bashing'' here and to what extent?wink Doesnt that tell something?
Like I said before, I am just trying to see the whole thing from a neutral ground without preconcieved notions and ideas. When we have a pre concieved idea, everything will appear so to us.
And just as a last point to those who say heterosexuals are ''criminals'' and Allah says so........I(And I guess, anyone living today) dunno every minute detail of the ''people of lut''. And that being besides the point, Even if u feel homosexuality is a crime on its own, Is it a bigger crime than associating partners with God? If no, then do u remember how Allah in Quran tells us to deal with peaceful idolators? So, we disagree with them on that but yet we leave peacefully , dont we? R we asked by Allah to exile them?
All I will request is.......Calm down and try to think rational, instead of getting so emotional.
There is more to people than their sexual orientation.
Peace!
-
Peacefulmulsim
I clearly see Allah message, you don't and i also see the hidden agenda of the gays towards our innocent children and yet you don't
gays are invading our public schools with filthy material like showing two males as parents which is a total lie and deception to the innoccent children
you teach your children that sort of tolerabnce at your home BUT DON'T BLOODY FORCE IT IN OUR PUCLIC SCHOOLS, period
knowledgable parents should know that easy, I stioll insist what a shame on humanity to screw the innocent children minds under thename of fake tolerance
you care for the homos and you don't for the children, what on earth is that logic?
peace
-
They can treat our bodies, birth our children, help ease us into death, but not teach? You DO know that most doctors have acted as teachers at some point as part of their training right? I don't get it?
as I said, it is all about protecting the children innocent mind
if you don't give a fluke about your children, fine, keep it in your house, but don't bloody commit a crime against our innocent children in public schools by allowing perverts to corrupt their innocent minds
-
what I meant is, they can work as doctores, but never ever teachers D
R u also aware of the cases where heterosexual men(teachers) have forced young girls into having sex with them in exchange for good grades? and also the innumerable cases where heterosexual teachers have lured students to have sex with them?
http//www.southernstandard.net/news.php?viewStory=28640
http//www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nyteach044613211feb04,0,2652623.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print
http//www.nbc17.com/news/6710387/detail.html
http//www.wsls.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSLS%2FMGArticle%2FSLS_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137833748306&path=!news!localnewsu can find many such cases if u do a google. what will u do now? Send children to a school run by celibate people?
What matters is not if the teacher is homo or heterosexual.
It is if they are good human beings or not. That is what makes the difference and that is what makes them trustworthy.Peace!
-
Here is a smaple of their corruption to our innocent children in public schools
http//mail.forte.com.au/ahmed/gay.jpg
What a shame on the mothers who support this non sense towards the innocent children, they should not be mothres from the first place
Peace
-
what I meant is, they can work as doctores, but never ever teachers
R u also aware of the cases where heterosexual men(teachers) have forced young girls into having sex with them in exchange for good grades? and also the innumerable cases where heterosexual teachers have lured students to have sex with them?
http//www.southernstandard.net/news.php?viewStory=28640
http//www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nyteach044613211feb04,0,2652623.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print
http//www.nbc17.com/news/6710387/detail.html
http//www.wsls.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSLS%2FMGArticle%2FSLS_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137833748306&path=!news!localnewsu can find many such cases if u do a google. what will u do now? Send children to a school run by celibate people?
What matters is not if the teacher is homo or heterosexual.
It is if they are good human beings or not. That is what makes the difference and that is what makes them trustworthy.Peace!
I'm not talking about molesters here, I'm talking about CORRUPTING THE CHILDREN INNOCENT MINDS for Allah sake
salam
-
gays are invading our public schools with filthy material like showing two males as parents which is a total lie and deception to the innoccent children
knowledgable parents should know that easy, I stioll insist what a shame on humanity to screw the innocent children minds under thename of fake tolerance
you care for the homos and you don't for the children, what on earth is that logic?Schools also have materials relating to ''jesus'' being God and '' idols'' being God etc . if we dont believe in it, we just dont bother, do we? Like the school I attended had mainly hindus. And they used to sing their prayer hymn (with idol praises) everyday. The few muslims there just didnt. No body forced us. It was understood that our beliefs differ and there was mutual respect on that.
There is nothing called ''fake tolerance''. Tolerance is essential if people of the world(who will obviously differ in ideas and beliefs) have to live peacefully.
And children need to learn tolerance too.
Otherwise, just like we have seen young children being involved in racist, sexist, religious crimes...... we will see more on this issue as well. Do u know a young school boy (18 yr old) named Anthony Walker was killed by racist white boys with an axe on his head, recently in UK? Its important Children most of all learn tolerance.Children in schools are being educated about the world. And in the world, there exsists homosexual people. R u going to hide this reality from children? And for how long? Does that picture u posted say ''homsexuality is the way to be''? If thats the case, I will speak against it. But that picture just addresses homosexual people(which is reality and thus knowledge that such people exsist). If u r uncomfortable with the message that the pic might give to ur kid, then take the trouble of explaining to them that such people exsist and that is all there is to it.
Peace!
-
where i live is the the target of a gay campaign that i see comming from the US in the name of "i can do whatever i feel like". Schools promote it, television promotes it (notice all the soaps with a smart gay and a bunch of idiot heteros), club culture is now promoting it. In fact, its so bad that to be hetero these days is sort of boring and "old school".
My personal feeling towards gays is that i expereince them being egoistic and fully centered about physical experience. Their identity becomes their sexuality. When is the last time somebody presented another to you with the words "thats steven, he is a hetero" ...never? i thought so!
On the other hand i cannot just say that all gays are like that, because i do have a gay freind who is nothing like that, who have the same boyfreind through years, and i see nothing but love and kindness between them. Like any "normal" relationship. His freinds however, doesnt mind hitting on a married man e.g to try and see if they can get hinm in the sack. Its like a game of "who can fuck the hetero", and the whole mentality is just ackward.
Wherever homosexuality has been on the rise, the living area has been contaminated by a new way of thinking that eventually leads to the societys fall. Its not the people who are the problem, it is the mentality that i experience comes al ong with it that potentially can be.
So i do not at all dislike gays, i do however dislike their life philosophy (altho they refuse it is so), in the same way that i have a freind who is a communist, and i abhor his philosophy but love him as a gentleman and a loyal freind.
-
Peace all. Once again i congratulate sawtooth and peaceful-muslim for excellent points. Its the mis-use of sexual function(lust,unnatural sex,irrational sex etc..) which can cause harm,not necessarily natural inclinations backed up with love,commitment and rationality. How would any of you like it(straight people) if your natural sexuality was said to be wrong and you should be sent for psychiatric treatment,exiled and maybe even told to have a same-sex partner? I think you would really dislike that. Just because i myself am hetrosexual,does not mean i have the right to impose my way as right or criminalise someone-elses behaviour.(which may be natural to that person). And as for saying the quran is clear that homosexuality is wrong in all circumstances,well thats your opinions(even if its a majority) and the majority are not always right. What about polygamy? Cant that cause sexual disease if mis-used?(like legalised promiscuity) Will you teach your kids about prophet having 9 or 11 wives? Or that some allow men to marry women as soon as they start menstruation? shock Or some allow that you can marry your adopted sons ex-wife? shock Please look at the wider picture and dont just react emotionally;tolerance&understanding is needed. Peace&respect all.
-
Schools also have materials relating to ''jesus'' being God and '' idols'' being God etc . if we dont believe in it, we just dont bother, do we? Like the school I attended had mainly hindus. And they used to sing their prayer hymn (with idol praises) everyday. The few muslims there just didnt. No body forced us. It was understood that our beliefs differ and there was mutual respect on that.
can't you just tell your child to be tolerant to all?, or you have to educate them that there are males who sleep together, and also females who does the same?, well if you do want to educate your child, then you should tell then the whole truth and nothing but the truth that HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN EVIL ACT IN THE EYE OF ALLAH AND ITS DOERS ARE BOUND TO HELL
This is the least to tell your child with honesty
There is nothing called ''fake tolerance''. Tolerance is essential if people of the world(who will obviously differ in ideas and beliefs) have to live peacefully.
What you and your supporters say who totally ignore Allah and His laws, is what I call fake tolarance, because simply you will mislead your child as well giving them the message that it is ok to be gay, this is a total failure to a so called "mother", and an account must be given in front of Allah, you and the like of you like my wife are nothing but manipulators and you must take your turn in front of your God, you manipulate the truth about homosexuality and in the process you deceive your children and give them the green light to be eternal losers like them.
I guess those who think this way care more about this life than the hereafter, what can I say
And children need to learn tolerance too.
haha, just tell them BE TOLARENT TO EVERY ONE, what is bloody wrong with this message?, or you prefer to tell your 7 years old child that it is ok to have two dads?
I still insist, what a shame on humanity and their failure regarding family principals
Otherwise, just like we have seen young children being involved in racist, sexist, religious crimes...... we will see more on this issue as well. Do u know a young school boy (18 yr old) named Anthony Walker was killed by racist white boys with an axe on his head, recently in UK? Its important Children most of all learn tolerance.
what a load of NS, sorry, as I said just tell your child to be tolarent, to every one including the blacks, the fats, the uglies, the disableds and the poofters
What is bloody wrong with that?, why bloody you pick the fags and their life style and want to push it in schools under the name of tolerance?, why not the fats, don't you know that the fats are discriminated against?, how about the blacks, and the many type of humans that are discriminated against?, I have to ask again why the bloody fags?
I guess any parent who in favour of that must have some tendancy.
Children in schools are being educated about the world.
oh yeh and the world for some parnets seem all about homos, this is a disgrace and a funny argument by you
And in the world, there exsists homosexual people.
oh yeh, and fats exit, uglies exit, blacks exist, and many of them are discriminated against, now let me ask you again, why the homos alome you want to force in schools?
would you show your child a phoro two prostitutes and tell them that it is ok to be a prostitute? come on , what is wrong with prostitution?, isnl;t another job, or you will discriminate aginst prostitutes, come on darling they are humans like us
how about Allah laws, will you be honest with your child and tell them that they are also bound to hell?
R u going to hide this reality from children?
of course, I will not, but I will also tell them the story of Lut and assure my child that whoever does this evil act must head to HELL, which is very hot
And for how long?
No hiding, I'm happy to tell my child the moment they will be born, but unfortunatly, they don't talk or understand anything when they are born, I guess for you at the age of 6 to 8 you will tell them that it is ok to be gay, for me I will tell them IT IS NOT OK TO BE GAY, BECAUSE IF THEY WILL BE THEY MUST PAY DEARLY IN HELL
see the difference?
Does that picture u posted say ''homsexuality is the way to be''?
No it does not, it is just a mere LIE that a child can have two dads, who are you kiddin exactly?, I know
you are kiddin the innocent children
If thats the case, I will speak against it. But that picture just addresses homosexual people(which is reality and thus knowledge that such people exsist).
as long as you will tell your children that it is an evil act prohibited by Allah, I have no problem talking about them and pass on the message from Allah to them
If u r uncomfortable with the message that the pic might give to ur kid, then take the trouble of explaining to them that such people exsist and that is all there is to it.
Can you please give me a break and bring some reassonable arguments?, the photo is a clear cut lie and anyone who say it is ok for a child is a clear cut liar and deceiver
Peace!
peace
-
Peace all. Once again i congratulate sawtooth and peaceful-muslim for excellent points. Its the mis-use of sexual function(lust,unnatural sex,irrational sex etc..) which can cause harm,not necessarily natural inclinations backed up with love,commitment and rationality. How would any of you like it(straight people) if your natural sexuality was said to be wrong and you should be sent for psychiatric treatment,exiled and maybe even told to have a same-sex partner? I think you would really dislike that. Just because i myself am hetrosexual,does not mean i have the right to impose my way as right or criminalise someone-elses behaviour.(which may be natural to that person). And as for saying the quran is clear that homosexuality is wrong in all circumstances,well thats your opinions(even if its a majority) and the majority are not always right. What about polygamy? Cant that cause sexual disease if mis-used?(like legalised promiscuity) Will you teach your kids about prophet having 9 or 11 wives? Or that some allow men to marry women as soon as they start menstruation? shock Or some allow that you can marry your adopted sons ex-wife? shock Please look at the wider picture and dont just react emotionally;tolerance&understanding is needed. Peace&respect all.
excuse me, I only talk by the Quran. do you have some Quran verses to support loving and caring for the homos?
no you don't, then please don't force you personal opinion that is clearly opposing Allah laws, Whom you say you believe in Him and His Quran, who are you kiddin eactly? I know
you must be kiddin some children lol
-
Peace all. What about teachers? Shall we ask them if they are married or have a boyfriend/girlfriend? shall we ask them if they are muslim/christian? sunni or quran-only? Do the teachers believe salat is physical or metaphorical? Where do we draw the line? Do the teachers believe alcohol is haram or not? The response to this topic is what i currently see is the problem with 'emotional islam'.And cartoonists and other people take advantage of this. As sister elke said in her post(paraphrasing);'these problems of humanity wont change until we realise we are all one race'. We are all one family. Would you victimise a member of your own family if he was doing something wrong? Or try to help him?
Peace and respect to the world family. -
where i live is the the target of a gay campaign that i see comming from the US in the name of "i can do whatever i feel like". Schools promote it, television promotes it (notice all the soaps with a smart gay and a bunch of idiot heteros), club culture is now promoting it. In fact, its so bad that to be hetero these days is sort of boring and "old school".
My personal feeling towards gays is that i expereince them being egoistic and fully centered about physical experience. Their identity becomes their sexuality. When is the last time somebody presented another to you with the words "thats steven, he is a hetero" ...never? i thought so!
On the other hand i cannot just say that all gays are like that, because i do have a gay freind who is nothing like that, who have the same boyfreind through years, and i see nothing but love and kindness between them. Like any "normal" relationship. His freinds however, doesnt mind hitting on a married man e.g to try and see if they can get hinm in the sack. Its like a game of "who can **** the hetero", and the whole mentality is just ackward.
Wherever homosexuality has been on the rise, the living area has been contaminated by a new way of thinking that eventually leads to the societys fall. Its not the people who are the problem, it is the mentality that i experience comes al ong with it that potentially can be.
So i do not at all dislike gays, i do however dislike their life philosophy (altho they refuse it is so), in the same way that i have a freind who is a communist, and i abhor his philosophy but love him as a gentleman and a loyal freind.
Well said magi
you should know that there are no homo bashers any more, it is now the hetro bashers, what a shame that some hetro been brain washed to support this major human flaw, well no escape from Allah
All must give account in one hell of a distressfull day
peace be with you
-
Peace all. What about teachers? Shall we ask them if they are married or have a boyfriend/girlfriend? shall we ask them if they are muslim/christian? sunni or quran-only? Do the teachers believe salat is physical or metaphorical? Where do we draw the line? Do the teachers believe alcohol is haram or not? The response to this topic is what i currently see is the problem with 'emotional islam'.And cartoonists and other people take advantage of this. As sister elke said in her post(paraphrasing);'these problems of humanity wont change until we realise we are all one race'. We are all one family. Would you victimise a member of your own family if he was doing something wrong? Or try to help him?
Peace and respect to the world family.now you started to loose it, lol
-
I can understand that if someone wishes to be muslim, that another muslim can say "not if you are "actively" gay". I mean it is the rule of the religion. but if someone chooses to believe something else, I don't see the right to condemn them. Isn't that the job of God? as long as they are not asking you to be gay, why should it bother you? Perhaps it is a simplistic view but then that brings us back to occum's Razor. Just look at things simply, don't make it so complicated. the more complicated you make it, the more you contradict yourself.
-
Peace be upon you Peaceful Muslim,
I am waaay behind, but I really dont have much more to say about this topic, the right way is clear from the wrong.
The sexual act is done until orgasm, the purpose of male semen coming out is to be connected with an egg, therefore the human with a penis and the human with a vagina are DESIGNED to go together.
Homo SEX uality is incorrect based on OBSERVABLE PROOF in relationship to its design.
And anyways, why should we talk about their sexual act? So, u dont think its natural or normal? Fair enough.
What does "fair" have to do with it? Do you agree or not regarding the sex act in relationship to the design?
But if 2 consensual partners are biologically inclined to feel so, why are we to be concerned?
You have no proof of the biological inclination.
We can only get concerned if the act harms those involved or others. Does it?
It does involve others. You have to be blind not to understand in this day and age the power of media propoganda. People are "trying" homosexuality all over the place, which is evidence of the MENTAL DISORDER that this really is.
O well, u might say the action itself is sinful no matter how normal or natural its for them.
Natural? Whats natural about using a penis in the incorrect manner DESIGNED? If you are going against DESIGN, how can that be natural? Thats a misude of the word.
Why not let God decide that? He would judge every act, every belief of every soul taking into consideration every tiny factor and judge in the most fair way. So, lets leave it to Him to judge how wrong the act is.
Yes, the God IS Judging, through the mouths of those who are purifying thier SPIRITS/MINDS (nafs), so the God's Law flows through thier vehicle.
Or are we not to speak out against whats wrong as "Koran" states CLEARLY. How can we speak out if we are not to judge?
By 'plugs' and 'sockets', I think, u r implying the physical body, right? In that case, life is much more than plugs and sockets. Definitely.
Sure, but all of life is based on the concept of yin and yang. The God created all things in pairs. Imagine the day with no night, or the cold without heat. How could one find balance without the duality of life? In order to obtain the OBJECTIVE PROOF of a relationship so we can get to TRUTH, we must bring this to the physical world. Which brings us to the relationship of penis and vagina, which is clear.
Yeah, God created all things in pairs.......The same God created hermaphrodites
Thats a genetic disorder by way of VISUAL, OBJECTIVE ABNORMALITY. Hardly comparable.
.......... The same God created Homosexuals. So, Now what shall we do?
Following your reasoning by way of no objective proof, we have to say the God created murderers, thieves, child molesters, etc. SHould we make rights for them and make sure all TV shows have a representative of thier group and a lobby group, etc?
And who knows...Homosexuals might have yin & yang too?
Exactly, all of creation has yin and yang, and the penis on a human is YANG while the vagina is YIN, very clear arrangement.
If you can figure out what to do with your door key when you get home, the you should be able to figure this out. D