gay people and islam
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Lastly, I cannot be turned homoSEXual (gay means happy) because I guard my "salaat", so this media surge wont effect me, but most likely, it would effect your children or kids that you preach the message of beating around the bush to. They will not have enough defense for the attack.
Does that mean you get aroused by men but you can guard against it? wink
Regards,
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Peace be upon you Lote Tree,
Lastly, I cannot be turned homoSEXual (gay means happy) because I guard my "salaat", so this media surge wont effect me, but most likely, it would effect your children or kids that you preach the message of beating around the bush to. They will not have enough defense for the attack.
Does that mean you get aroused by men but you can guard against it?
Hell no! D
What I mean is that any form of communication effects your spirit(nafs), that is why people constantly watch the news and exclaim "How can someone do such a thing???!!" Its because the MIND can be conditioned to manifest ANY behavior, and we must guard vigilantly against such things. How is it that the president od US won for the second time except through subtle conditioning of certain people?
To make it clear, what did the advertisers pay for a commercial during the superbowl and WHY would they pay so much money?
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Paz,
I have a question for idolfree, pleaseis this the core point
perversion = the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
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if yes, then,
do you consider perversion too when heterosexual people use the 'plugs' and 'sockets' without intending to have a baby? -
I suggest you view the episode of Southpark when the crab people take over the bodies of the queer eye guys. To suggest that homosexuals on TV is enough to turn the world gay is pure idiocy. Sure they may be able to get men to pay more attention to their appearance and hygiene (like THAT's a bad thing) but they are not "turning kids gay" You are either attracted or turned on by a penis or you are not. Case closed. My goodness, how weak minded do you think the world is? Not to mention, how suggestive do you figure the human sex drive to be? This entire debate has sunk to new lows of human understanding. It's really quite simple. If you have children raise them to the bet of your ability and if you feel the need, do you best to instill what ever values you need to. BUT keep in mind we have FREE WILL and it is likely that your children WILL use it at some point. You might get lucky and they end up just like you, but most people encounter a point where they have to choose between love an acceptance and some rule or another imposed on them from somewhere. What will you do if you encounter. As for as yourselves, if you do not accept homosexuality then I suggest you abstain from entering gay bars (though they DO have the best music ) and should you encounter a gay person? keep you mouth shut, live and let live and realize that not EVERYONE believes as you do and they are free NOT TO. It is not your place to confront and convert the human race. If you do not want to encounter homosexuality in ANY way, might I suggest moving to a country that still jails and or executes people for the act. whatever you do DON'T use pathetic made up crap or one sided statistics to make your point. If that is the best you got on your side, then you don't have a side to begin with.
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Hi all,
There seem to have been more of emotional(& quite silly) posts than peaceful ones.
Peace AhmedBahgat,
Ur responses again have been purely emotional. Emotions often blur the true picture. And such extreme emotions do mankind no good.
So, u got offended by that picture that u posted. Lets take an example here. Suppose, say u currently have a 6 yr old kid named X. Say one of ur kid's classmate named Y is being raised by a homosexual couple. On an annual school function, when kids are accompanied by their parents, ur kid sees y being accompanied by 2 men who he introduces as his ''dads'' to ur kid. Now ur kid turns to u in wonder as to why Y has 2 dads? What will u reply?
I believe this is what that picture is adressing. I dont see it promoting homosexuality but adressing a reality that exsists. All the pic seems to tell is some kid might have 2 dads or 2 moms. Why r u getting so emotional about it? Isnt this a reality? The child is not asking u of the sexual relationship here or the detailed sexual act(plug& socket stuff) but merely why & how ''2 dads''? And u find it offensive that ur child is being educated about a reality that a child of that age might encounter? rollAnd I have seen u claiming in this thread that homos are hetero bashers. By the looks of it, there are no homos in this thread and absolutely no heterobasing anyways but..........can I ask u to tell me if there has been any homo bashing in this thread and by who? and most of all, to what extent?
Peace!
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Paz sister Elena,
I have a question for idolfree, please
is this the core point
perversion = the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
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if yes, then,
do you consider perversion too when heterosexual people use the 'plugs' and 'sockets' without intending to have a baby?I have to withhold my answer of "yes" for a moment, in order to do more study regarding sexual energy. I understand that the male and female energies coming together do some fantastic things besides the creation of another human. But even with this, it is between the complimentary energies of male and female.
But let me state that even between male and female, anal sex and so forth is a perversion.
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Peace be upon you Sawtooth,
suggest you view the episode of Southpark when the crab people take over the bodies of the queer eye guys.
Thier taking our jobs!! lol I saw it, it was hilarious.
To suggest that homosexuals on TV is enough to turn the world gay is pure idiocy.
Not the entire world. What you have to do is pay attention to what is going on. You have to wake up to the power of suggestion. I can see in my neighborhood the effects of these rap songs and videos. Its a slow desensitizing to certain morals that is going on, and the effects are clear. Its the same with all things, including homosexuality. Havent you ever cought yourself humming a song you dont even like? That will give you a hint as to the power of the communications industry.
Sure they may be able to get men to pay more attention to their appearance and hygiene (like THAT's a bad thing) but they are not "turning kids gay" You are either attracted or turned on by a penis or you are not. Case closed.
You are asleep to the reality. Yes, that is probably true for older persons, but for younger people, they will get the underlying message that its okay to satisfy the urge for sex with any human, and thats the wrong mesage. Likes and dislikes, attractions and so forth change. There are women I grew up attracted too that are not atttractive to me anymore. There are lesbian women with children. How does your "either/or" philosphy explain that?
My goodness, how weak minded do you think the world is?
George Bush is president of the U.S.
McDonalds serves over 2 Billion people
Gastric bypass surgery rather than eat healthy
Blowing oneself up to win a war and go to heaven to have sex with virgins
Cigarette smoking
Crack Cocaine
Let me know when to stop
Not to mention, how suggestive do you figure the human sex drive to be?
What???? Are you kidding me? Respectfuly, you have got to wake up. Nothing sells like a product with a half dressed woman promoting it. You cat walk pass a news stand without seeing women in thongs and that type of thing.
This entire debate has sunk to new lows of human understanding. It's really quite simple. If you have children raise them to the bet of your ability and if you feel the need, do you best to instill what ever values you need to.
Thanks for he advice D
BUT keep in mind we have FREE WILL and it is likely that your children WILL use it at some point.
Yes, and when they start CHOOSING, which is what the WILL does, what options will they have to choose from? What images and ideas will be in thier minds when that faculty develops?
You might get lucky and they end up just like you, but most people encounter a point where they have to choose between love an acceptance and some rule or another imposed on them from somewhere. What will you do if you encounter.
I raise my daughter to be one who strives to AWAKEN herself, to respect God's LAW. If for any reason the animal of emotions and sensualism locks her down and she chooses a perverse path, my position remains the same, it is incorrect and perverse act.
As for as yourselves, if you do not accept homosexuality then I suggest you abstain from entering gay bars (though they DO have the best music )
Thanks for the excellent advise, I was just thinking about going to one too ?
and should you encounter a gay person? keep you mouth shut, live and let live and realize that not EVERYONE believes as you do and they are free NOT TO.
For the record, I dont take commands except from God's Law. D
But in response to the rest of your statement, I do not go around telling HomoSEXuals to "stop it". But I would definatey voice my position if asked by a homoSEXual or anyone else. Again, its not the person I am against, I have no problem with having a good conversaton with a homoSEXual, and I find some of the homoSEXual me I have come across to be very nice people. But that swordfighting has got to go! D
It is not your place to confront and convert the human race.
Maybe this pos was not addressed to me, cause I never said I do any of that.
If you do not want to encounter homosexuality in ANY way, might I suggest moving to a country that still jails and or executes people for the act. whatever you do DON'T use pathetic made up crap or one sided statistics to make your point. If that is the best you got on your side, then you don't have a side to begin with.
So you dont want to address why the cost of a superbowl commercial is over 2.4 Million dollars for 30 seconds? Why is that? Whywould a company pay over 2.4 MILLION for 30 seconds of advertisement? Is that business smart? Why was Janet Jackson attacked so badly for showing a nipple during superbowl halftime? Are they saying that TV has an EFFECT??
Aw shux, maybe I'm just crazy wink
Wake up.
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hi all,
i think this discussion has been going too far. and i don't think everyone will ever reach any agreement. i respect opinions from both sides, and i understand all concerns that some of you have addressed on homosexuality.
everyone has the right to speak up their opinions and stand up before their principles.
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Peace be upon you Topo
i think the only agreement that we can reach here is tolerance and peace.
I dont think we ever disagreed when it comes to Peace. D
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So now it is, "if a kid is given homosexuality as an option they will take it because TV tells them to"? Well I kind of figure that if a boy does get a hummer from looking at another boy, well, the option was always there, if a girls gets moist from another girl, same thing. As for trying it because it is an option? Well again, it either turns you on or it doesn't. hell, some poeple are not turned on from anything so they just don't co anything with anyone. It's not TV and advertising that dictates what's gonna pop your peeper. They might get stiff easy with the right stimuli, but forcing it ain't easy.
It is one thing to see TV influence the way a kid dresses, it's another thing to see it change what get's the.. hhhmmm.. happy in the panty.
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Ummm I beg to disagree, television makes people do all kinds of stupid things. In the U.S. nowadays, children as young as 12 are having orgies with their classmatees because they feel the need to be sexual. Where do they get this idea? Television. Recently two parents were jailed for allowing their 16yr old boy to have a stripper at his birthday party. Where do they get the idea that sex should be for all? Television. TV is very powerful and people who think it isn't are very blind to teh reality of society and how our mind works. If you see something enough times it gets harder and harder to resist the normality of that occurence. That is why opposers to homosexuality do not agree that it should be on tv, etc. b/c it makes it seem normal. Even if you do not have a predisposition to homosexuality, the fact that it becomes normal makes it detrimental to society and the development of kids who have yet to develop their sexuality.
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Peace be upon you Ichephren,
Thank You!
Sawtooth, you are not answering my main question, WHY are superbowl commercials over 2.4 million dollars for 30 seconds? WHY? Can you explain it? Is that wise buisness for something that has no effect?
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they are that expensive because of the number of people watching. You are paying for exposure. American football is, for reasons unknown to me, the most watched sport in this country. The superbowl is a huge event, and the commercials are traditionally new, edgey and they used to be worth watching the stupid game for. Because poeple now watch the commercials as much as the game (you can thank "tastes great less filing" "I'd like to buy the world a coke" and "the budbowl" for that) they can chage outrageous amounts for the timeslots.
there ya go.
And umm. DUH advertising has an effect, it makes you BUY shit you don't need, go places you can't afford and drink crap that will make you sick, but I have never heard of it making you jump on someone you are not sexually atracted to (unless you buy the viagra but even then i don't see a man jumping on a man just because it was on TV) it's like hypnosis, it can't make you do something NOT allready in your nature to do
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Peace
I agree. Television is a huge influence to programming people. Same as ads, etc. Television depicts unrealistic things as realistic when they are not. Ads do the same thing. This is where we figure that a certain woman is the right woman, the one who is tall and skinny. Or a certain man is the right man, the one with the cig in his mouth.
Joe
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I am also sure that nobody will sure "America's next to model" for making their daughter anorexic, but that TV show is another portrayal of skinny women who are held up as the most attractive women in society. A young girl who watches the show may conclude that if she is chubby, she is not pretty and therefore decides to start starving herself.
Why are you not even trying to understand the basic point that the images we constantly see and the things that society accepts as normal eventually become normal and ingrained in our psyches. For example, why do most women try to stay below a size 6? Is it because this number is cosmically designed? No, it is b/c soiety has judged this to be the threshold for weight in order to be considered attractive. But nobody questions why this has been placed there, it just is. Parallel this to other societies that could care less about such things, or they may have opposite societal norms that require women to be chubby in order to be attractive.
I am not saying that TV will turn a person gay. I am saying that TV is a mirror of society's opinion of a certain matter. Nobody here is obviously below the age of puberty, so it is hard for us to judge what TV and the constant representation of these social norms do to children who are just developing. How do you know that a 6yr old child watching will and grace doesn't look at Jack and think, "i like dressing up too, maybe I'm like Jack. Maybe I like boys too," without understanding the implications of what the TV is really portraying. I am saying that people who may not understand that TV is fake may be watching it for feedback on how life really is. If you want a real opinion of the effects of American TV, ask a foreigner who just came to the U.S. You'll get a feeling of how immersed most people are in the things that TV really tell us.