THEOLOGICAL FATALISM - ALLAH'S WILL and OTHER CHARACTERISTICS
-
Peace be upon you Danish,
It would be foolish for me to continue with any attempts to educate you on this topic because you refuse to listen. You may believe as you wish. Peace be upon you.
-
Hello Kyle,
Why give up hope so easily. You should take my criticisms as a challenge to perhaps correct me (if I am wrong) by better discussing matters of concern by explanations, analysis, renderings, providing subtance and review links rather than budging out with ad hominem statements. You fail to understand some of the word usage and terminology (accentuating Greek, Roman, Latin, Sanskrit) and the pre-requisites entailing historical data of any given locale and conveniently blame the sites for incorrect information. Like you stated earlier "Sorry you feel that way and refuse to dig deeper. You refernce sights that dont even use the correct names! They are saying "Toth " instead of "Tehuti", "Horus" instead of "Heru", "Hathor" instead of "Het Heru", how can they claim to understand?"
Besides, you bring about certain terms without giving much thought of exploration, such as "maa" means "to see", "maat" means female energy, and "maat" comes from "maa" which means "to see", NONE of which are correctly defined by you and becomes confusing. How in the name of your god, will you educate me and others. By the way, you play the same game with Quranic words and infuse Kemetic understanding towards Arabic language. I remember, you've also bought about magical card reading (similar to tarot) taught by Kemeticism to foretell and insist that it works and can never go wrong.
Kemetic philosophy is based upon Tree of Life, the 11 spheres or branches from 0-10, each describing and forming patterns of "attributes" as divine law by representations of a god or gods (male and/or female of all kinds) in order to explain mind, body and spirit in the realm of matter and energy as a Whole. To summarize, the Tree of Life is a diagram of the process through which God creates the World, Man, and Man's sojourn in the world. Kemetists believe that God said "I was alone; not born were they. I brought into my mouth my own name, that is to say, a word of power, and I, even I, came into being in the form of things which came into being, and I came in the forms of the creator." This is an imagination.
Further to the Tree of Life, there are seven Divisions of the Spirit corresponding the seven main chakras namely, the Root, the Navel, the Solar Plexus, the Heart, the Throat, the Brow and the Crown. These seven divisions are an epithet paralleling Bowen's seven divisions Physical Body, Etheric Body, Lower Mind, Animal Mind, Human Mind, Spiritual Mind and The Ray. These seven divisions are also attributed to gods such as Ausar, Tehuti, Sekert, Maat, Herukhuti, Heru, Het-Heru, Sebek, Auset and duality of Geb.
It is noteworthy to mention once again that although Kemetic is a revitalization of Egyptology in its most refined and obviously current advanced stage, much of Egyptian methodology has been inappropriated knowing the vast historic science of it all. The basis, unlike what Quran teaches, has a lot common with Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity, in that, in speaks about virgin birth, incarnation, sons and daughters of God, resurrection, and other novelties.
I must say, it is a good read though, but I rather prefer Soul Mind Body Medicine by Dr. Zhi Gang Sha, who leaves behind all the crappy mockery godly stuff and deals direct with easy-to-read step by step instructions and illustrations. One can read the introductory side here http//www.amazon.com/Soul-Mind-Body-Medicine-Complete/dp/1577315286/sr=8-2/qid=1158347945/ref=sr_1_2/002-3063117-4149666?ie=UTF8&s=books (click on the left hand side where it says 'search inside this book'.
All-in-all, a religion circulates around imaginary gods and their attributes and that is the real concern. It is foolish to create idols and then forge by imaginations their characteristics. Aren't you not tired of fairy tales?
-
Why give up hope so easily.
Peace Danish,
I'm not speaking for Kyle here, but the reason is that you never ASK. You only TELL. It seems (it really does) like you don't care about what people are saying. Like you have already assumed that everyone who has the word "god" in his/her post is wrong. When Kyle gave you his explanation, you didn't ask him to clarify, or explain his point of view, but simply refuted it using OUTSIDE knowledge.
Yes, I agree with you that people who believe in an invisible man looking down at them from space are wrong, but (believe it or not) that's not all the word "god" or "allah" means. -
Why give up hope so easily.
I'm not speaking for Kyle here, but the reason is that you never ASK. You only TELL.
For instance?
It seems (it really does) like you don't care about what people are saying.
What are people saying on this forum? I doubt that you'd have any explanation. Besides, is it something to do with "care"?
Like you have already assumed that everyone who has the word "god" in his/her post is wrong.
It is not an assumption but a fact that anyone who talks about "A God" is nothing more than an imagination and must defend their beliefs by facts and not by blind beliefs.
When Kyle gave you his explanation, you didn't ask him to clarify, or explain his point of view, but simply refuted it using OUTSIDE knowledge.
Half-heartedly true, see my last post and the point below.
Yes, I agree with you that people who believe in an invisible man looking down at them from space are wrong, but (believe it or not) that's not all the word "god" or "allah" means.
It seems that you're either not following through or simply not understanding what's being talked about. You need to pay more attention and discuss the real issues.
And btw, all that you instigated upon me, also applies to others and yourself, including Kyle. Please don't play this game of nitpicking and act as a mediocre. Kyle is an 'adult' and I'm sure he can defend himself, if need arise. I truely believe that age factor and life's experiences do make up for deficiencies exposed by "rug rats". Internet is the god of information; make use of it.
-
peace Danish,
I'm not speaking for Kyle here, but the reason is that you never ASK. You only TELL.
For instance?Read some of your posts. My point is that (like many others on this forum), you are not here to learn, but to tell people how deluded they are. I'm sorry if that's not true. But, as I said, it appears that way.
What are people saying on this forum? I doubt that you'd have any explanation. Besides, is it something to do with "care"?
This forum doesn't have a uniform view about anything. That's my point. Some words don't hold the same meaning for everyone.
It is not an assumption but a fact that anyone who talks about "A God" is nothing more than an imagination and must defend their beliefs by facts and not by blind beliefs.
ok.
It seems that you're either not following through or simply not understanding what's being talked about. You need to pay more attention and discuss the real issues.
And btw, all that you instigated upon me, also applies to others and yourself, including Kyle. Please don't play this game of nitpicking and act as a mediocre. Kyle is an 'adult' and I'm sure he can defend himself, if need arise. I truely believe that age factor and life's experiences do make up for deficiencies exposed by "rug rats". Internet is the god of information; make use of it.
I'm not playing a game of nitpicking. Nor am I defending Kyle or acting as a mediator.
All I am asking for is for you to look at things from the other side. -
I'm not speaking for Kyle here, but the reason is that you never ASK. You only TELL.
For instance?Read some of your posts. My point is that (like many others on this forum), you are not here to learn, but to tell people how deluded they are. I'm sorry if that's not true. But, as I said, it appears that way.
Learn WHAT? Give an example? Do you really know what you are talking about?
What are people saying on this forum? I doubt that you'd have any explanation. Besides, is it something to do with "care"?
This forum doesn't have a uniform view about anything. That's my point. Some words don't hold the same meaning for everyone.
Good, then please don't make judgement calls?
It seems that you're either not following through or simply not understanding what's being talked about. You need to pay more attention and discuss the real issues.
And btw, all that you instigated upon me, also applies to others and yourself, including Kyle. Please don't play this game of nitpicking and act as a mediocre. Kyle is an 'adult' and I'm sure he can defend himself, if need arise. I truely believe that age factor and life's experiences do make up for deficiencies exposed by "rug rats". Internet is the god of information; make use of it.
All I am asking for is for you to look at things from the other side.
Like WHAT? You keep playing this game of nitpicking without any explantaion, just like Kyle did with his Kemetic novelties. I am the one who is relating more information about Kemetic philosophy than Kyle to begin with, and guess what, I get scoffed for bringing it up; is it underestimation or resentment. Besides, no one has yet refuted or further discussed the topic of this thread and has strayed off to become personal.
-
Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
Yes, do not waste any more time.
Danish, peace to you. Anytime you want to lay aside the arrogance, we can discuss this fully.
-
Regardless of what folks think of danishes approach,i feel he has asked the right questions and come up with great ideas which nobody has been able to refute.....Dont shoot the messenger. rotfl yay bravo
-
Peace be upon you Enquirer,
i feel he has asked the right questions and come up with great ideas which nobody has been able to refute.
What questions are they?
-
Easy kyle. The questions about gods supposed omnipotence versus the existence of suffering in the world versus gods mercy versus gods supposed all-knowing ability versus free-will of humans and questions such as these...
-
Peace be upon you,
I answered those questions in another thread, I'll see if I can find it.
-
Hello Kyle,
Anytime you want to lay aside the arrogance, we can discuss this fully.
"lay aside the arrogance" is an excuse to justify your defenselessness. As far as discussing matters are concerned, I already mentioned this earlier
Edit If you'd like to further discuss your Kemetic religion in detail, then lets open up a new thread in the General section, as we are straying off the subject matter of Allah's Will and His characteristics and attributes.
Now, why don't you start with the Sphere-0 of the Tree of Life and take it from there or however you like to begin in another thread and we shall discuss. And 'enquirer' is correct in saying that no one has actually refuted the concerns I bought about. All you seem to be doing is influxing and embedding your Kemetism into Islamism and alluding that the answers has been duly met. No sire, not in the least. Religions are based on invoking their gods and Kemetic is no different.
-
Peace
Religions are based on invoking their gods and Kemetic is no different.
ignorance is daring. 'Kemetic' is not about gods but about faculties, behaviour, evolving, the 'deities' are representations of faculties, it is an approach, not gods. it is not a religion as it is normally understood even if the word religion is used, this word is used in this context as again (re) - unite (ligare)
All you seem to be doing is influxing and embedding your Kemetism into Islamism
this is becasue this site is an islamic site, if we were discussing in any other environement, from atheism to psichology or pedagogy or whatever field we were applying kemetic teachings to those fields.
Not for Danish but for whoever is interested, I recommend reading the chapters of the books we have mentioned many times the chapters explaining what is religion and the approach taken about religion by this philosophy.
-
Hello Elena and "Kyle",
Religions are based on invoking their gods and Kemetic is no different.
ignorance is daring. 'Kemetic' is not about gods but about faculties, behaviour, evolving, the 'deities' are representations of faculties, it is an approach, not gods. it is not a religion as it is normally understood even if the word religion is used, this word is used in this context as again (re) - unite (ligare)
The faculties, behaviour and all attributes imagined (invented) and proclaimed by the Religionists (Idol-Worshippers), including Kemetic, stem from gods and throbbed upon mankind. Kemetic is based upon Egyptology in a refined or revitalized current stage and IS a Religion for its foundations, like or not, are rooted upon pagan gods created by Men. Each "Sphere" represents a god (named earlier) and each god is given its desired attributes and all these god's attributes are combined together enhancing and culminating a Supreme Being, hence a representation of the Tree of Life. Ignorance fine-tuned.
All you seem to be doing is influxing and embedding your Kemetism into Islamism
this is becasue this site is an islamic site, if we were discussing in any other environement, from atheism to psichology or pedagogy or whatever field we were applying kemetic teachings to those fields.
Why is there such a need for applying the fields of Kemetism to take precedence or influence over other religions? Based upon what?
Inspite of myself requesting twice, neither of you seem to elaborate and discuss your Kemetic philosophy but rather brush it off with few words here and there and having everyone to fetch a Metu Neter book and that Internet information is inaccurate and/or incomplete and that I am arrogant and ignorant, etcetera. If you have unrelenting confidence over "that which perceives yet cannot be perceived" jargon, then at least share with me and others your Kemetic knowledge. I am not asking you to copy the entire book but at least start somewhere, perhaps with Sphere-0 or the first of the Spiritual Divisions or Chakras or however you may like.
If you'd like to further discuss your Kemetic religion in detail, then lets open up a new thread in the General section,...
Now, why don't you start with the Sphere-0 of the Tree of Life and take it from there or however you like to begin in another thread and we shall discuss.
-
One thing i would say with regard to kemetic philosopy is has it been scientifically verified in reality? And these attributes (or gods as danish says.) may not be universally present in all humans...Folks,the map is not the terittory,and i do get a little worried when otherwise very intelligent folks start insisting on and defending systems a little dogmatically and without evidence. I think it would be instructive to respond to danish by giving at least an overview of kemetic philosophy...Thanks in advance...
-
easy enquirer,
the problem with debating this with Danish is that he has already decided that we are deluded. Anything that Kyle or Elena say in defence or explanation of kemetic philosophy is just a desperate attempt to cover up what doesn't make sense. Kyle and Elena won't accept information about kemet from wikipedia because according to them it is inaccurate. So if the two sides aren't going to listen to eachother there is no point in debating an issue. The only way this can work is if Danish actually reads Ra Un Nefer Amen's books and understand them and refute them if he can/wants. -
ok phoenix,but it would be interesting for kyle and elena to just give an overview of their opinion of kemetic philosophy so i can see what is the more correct postiton....In the interest of science my dear watson!!!
-
Peace
I gotta agree with Danish and Enquirer on this. If we're gonna discuss anything we have to actually discuss it and not dance around it. Plus we'd all learn some more knowledge which is always a good thing. And someone has yet to actually get to the root of this thread. It seems we're just dancing around that too...
I would chime in but I have no time lately so I'm playing spectator for now until I free up... would love to see this thread developing though with or without me
Peace All
-
Peace be upon you all,
;D I smile because I must have given an overview of Kemetic Philosophy a billion times on this forum, but I am being asked to do so again? Okay.
But first, I just have a few questions that I would like all parties involved to answer.
-
Do you have an urge to be at peace (opposite of stress)?
-
Do you have an urge to unite with others (family, friends, etc)?
-
Do you have an urge to find the solution to the problems in your life?
-
Do you have an urge to have the power to carry out the solution to the problems in your life?
-
Do you have an urge to understand the LAWS of the universe?
-
Do you have the urge to be treated fairly(justice), that the Laws of he universe will be enforced equally?
-
Do you have the urge to be free to choose?
Do you have verbal thoughts?
-
Do you have pictorial thoughts (imagination)?
-
Do you have memory?
-
Do you have a physical body?
-