THEOLOGICAL FATALISM - ALLAH'S WILL and OTHER CHARACTERISTICS

unknownuser

Yes i suppose it is veryironic kyle,im going to ask you about salat and metaphors as well!!!
Anyway,i will answer yes to all the questions you asked,although number two is mainly with those who are compatible with myself... Let the games begin!!! yay elektro

Elena

Peace

there are thousands of Kyle's post in the forum from year 2003 with loads of information about Kemetic philosophy in many topics and discussions, there is also a specific thread about it http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=3782.0 but there is more info in the referred posts along the forum, in many threads.
I noted down a kind of compilation long ago, in 2004 as a starting point http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=2507.0

I am not asking you to copy the entire book but at least start somewhere, perhaps with Sphere-0 or the first of the Spiritual Divisions or Chakras or however you may like.

copy??? why are you so lazy?! read by yourself, they are not expesive books, I could lend you them if you were near, you are of those who give back the books, aren't you? just kidding, but if you are interested why don't you want to read them'?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Enquirer,

Yes i suppose it is veryironic kyle,im going to ask you about salat and metaphors as well!!!

Point taken

Anyway,i will answer yes to all the questions you asked,although number two is mainly with those who are compatible with myself... Let the games begin!!!

Thank you for your honesty. I will wait for others to reflect on the questions and respond as well before continuing.

unknownuser

there are thousands of Kyle's post in the forum from year 2003 with loads of information about Kemetic philosophy in many topics and discussions, there is also a specific thread about it http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=3782.0 but there is more info in the referred posts along the forum, in many threads.
I noted down a kind of compilation long ago, in 2004 as a starting point http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=2507.0

I am not asking you to copy the entire book but at least start somewhere, perhaps with Sphere-0 or the first of the Spiritual Divisions or Chakras or however you may like.

copy??? why are you so lazy?! D read by yourself, they are not expesive books, I could lend you them if you were near, you are of those who give back the books, aren't you? just kidding, but if you are interested why don't you want to read them'?

Pointing those old forum links and within which Kyle provided other Internet links jotted below, along with several links I provided earlier and abundance of information on the Net that I've been emphasizing upon which explains away the Kemetic Religion, and further exposing your noted and compiled information since 2004, only displays your idiocy and crookedness in insisting to purchase or read the book, resistance to Internet information and the initial refusal to further discuss. But Alas! the spirit has awakened. Talk about arrogance, ignorance and laziness caught in the mud, huh. -[

http//www.aasorlando.org/
http//www.tehutionline.com/newpage28.htm
here's another http//www.theafrican.com/Magazine/Cosmo.htm

To all others, while you're at it, please do read upon the "Book of the Dead" as well, which once again, you shall find enough information on the Internet without having to purchase any book. Libraries are certainly another excellent source. Please do read all my previous post on this thread in regards to Kemetic Religion (Egyptology) and point out where did I go wrong.

unknownuser

Do you have an urge to be at peace (opposite of stress)?

Pretty much settled. So no, not an urge as you put it but seldom rants.

Do you have an urge to unite with others (family, friends, etc)?
Do you have an urge to find the solution to the problems in your life?
Do you have an urge to have the power to carry out the solution to the problems in your life?
Do you have an urge to understand the LAWS of the universe?
Do you have the urge to be treated fairly(justice), that the Laws of he universe will be enforced equally?
Do you have the urge to be free to choose?

Rather desires, not urges and that too depends.

Do you have verbal thoughts?

Do you have pictorial thoughts (imagination)?
Do you have memory?
Do you have a physical body?

Yes.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Danish,

Do you have an urge to be at peace (opposite of stress)?
Pretty much settled. So no, not an urge as you put it but seldom rants.

Come on man! ) You are telling us that you are perfect?? You dont have any stress at any time? No tension?
Please brother, be serious in this discusion.

(2-7)
Rather desires, not urges and that too depends.

Depends on what?

(8-11)
Yes.

Thank you.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you all,

I will continue while Danish is responding.

Basically, the questions I listed represent the faculties of the spirit(subconscious) which the so called "dieties" represent/personify. But we will come back to that.

Your Being is an indivisible duality. You have consciousness and subconscious. Consciousness is responsible for willed behavior, subconcious is responsible for automatic behavior. Most of our lives are ruled by automatic behavior.

We verify this statement at the moments when we are STRUGGLING within ourselves regarding somethig we should or should not be doing. For example, we want to quit smoking, eating junk food, etc. Then we see the cigarette, junk food and we start to have a stuggle within. Do we agree that for there to be a struggle there has to be two parties? The Two parties are the consciousness and subconscious.

At this point lets stop so I can ask you if this is the same experience that you have, the inner stuggle of what you WILL to do Vs. What actually happens.

unknownuser

Do you have an urge to be at peace (opposite of stress)?
Pretty much settled. So no, not an urge as you put it but seldom rants.

Come on man! You are telling us that you are perfect?? You dont have any stress at any time? No tension?
Please brother, be serious in this discusion.

Kyle, if you can read and explain the conscious and subconscious mind, don't you think you can figure out what I meant. Does "pretty much settled and having seldom rants" mean "perfect" to you? It is a natural phenomenon that everyone experiences stress at various levels. It does not mean that I have an "urge" to be at peace but self control to either remian at peace or bring about peace within myself. In other words, I do not force or exert (urge) myself into peace. Nevertheless, lets take the answer as Yes.

(2-7)
Rather desires, not urges and that too depends.

Depends on what?

Depends on my will, a choice, a desire, not an urge. I don't force myself into wanting or not wanting but remain practical and logical enough to reason. We can further debate about this on specifics, but then again, please take the answer as Yes. Now then, so far we are in sync.

unknownuser

Basically, the questions I listed represent the faculties of the spirit(subconscious) which the so called "dieties" represent/personify. But we will come back to that.

That's the concern I've been wanting to discuss and will await your explanations.

Your Being is an indivisible duality. You have consciousness and subconscious. Consciousness is responsible for willed behavior, subconcious is responsible for automatic behavior. Most of our lives are ruled by automatic behavior.

We verify this statement at the moments when we are STRUGGLING within ourselves regarding somethig we should or should not be doing. For example, we want to quit smoking, eating junk food, etc. Then we see the cigarette, junk food and we start to have a stuggle within. Do we agree that for there to be a struggle there has to be two parties? The Two parties are the consciousness and subconscious.

At this point lets stop so I can ask you if this is the same experience that you have, the inner stuggle of what you WILL to do Vs. What actually happens.

Agreed.

unknownuser

Hello all,

Do we have any more participants or has this become a stalemate?

But first, I just have a few questions that I would like all parties involved to answer.

Do you have an urge to be at peace (opposite of stress)?
Do you have an urge to unite with others (family, friends, etc)?
Do you have an urge to find the solution to the problems in your life?
Do you have an urge to have the power to carry out the solution to the problems in your life?
Do you have an urge to understand the LAWS of the universe?
Do you have the urge to be treated fairly(justice), that the Laws of he universe will be enforced equally?
Do you have the urge to be free to choose?

Do you have verbal thoughts?

Do you have pictorial thoughts (imagination)?
Do you have memory?
Do you have a physical body?

phoenix1

But first, I just have a few questions that I would like all parties involved to answer.

Do you have an urge to be at peace (opposite of stress)?
Do you have an urge to unite with others (family, friends, etc)?
Do you have an urge to find the solution to the problems in your life?
Do you have an urge to have the power to carry out the solution to the problems in your life?
Do you have an urge to understand the LAWS of the universe?
Do you have the urge to be treated fairly(justice), that the Laws of he universe will be enforced equally?
Do you have the urge to be free to choose?

Do you have verbal thoughts?

Do you have pictorial thoughts (imagination)?
Do you have memory?
Do you have a physical body?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

unknownuser

Peace All

Don't mean to be rude I'm just making some observations...

Idolfree1 are you supposing that if we follow Kemetic ideology we would somehow have solutions to all our problems in life? If so, I feel like I'm being prostyletised... I have yet to know if this way of thinking would help me understand life and cope with life's problems, so I can't make a judgment call on that issue. But I know that everyone has problems and nobody is immune to the crap we go thru in this world . So I just feel a bit skeptical when someone tries to sell me a "way of life" that would magically transform my life into this utopia. That somehow I will be above the very human emotions of heartbreak, grief, regret, guilt, anger, sadness and dejection...

If the solutions to life's problems you were alluding to in your list of questions is not a way of curing it but a way of coping with it then I'd be more inclined to believe it.

But of course, all of the answers to these questions for me is YES.

unknownuser

Excellent observations about kemetic philosophy boost. sun

phoenix1

peace BOOST

Idolfree1 are you supposing that if we follow Kemetic ideology we would somehow have solutions to all our problems in life? If so, I feel like I'm being prostyletised... I have yet to know if this way of thinking would help me understand life and cope with life's problems, so I can't make a judgment call on that issue. But I know that everyone has problems and nobody is immune to the crap we go thru in this world . So I just feel a bit skeptical when someone tries to sell me a "way of life" that would magically transform my life into this utopia. That somehow I will be above the very human emotions of heartbreak, grief, regret, guilt, anger, sadness and dejection...

I'm not speaking for Idolfree1 here, but I believe their is a "correct" way to live our life. Whether that leads to troubles (BECAUSE the rest of the world doesn't follow it) is not that philosophy's fault.
And isn't this what the quran teaches as well? that there is a "straight path" for us to follow?
I don't think it's about eliminating external suffering, but getting rid of INternal suffering that most of us are going through in our lives. Whatever happens in the physical world, our hearts are at peace.

and it wouldn't hurt if you and others look at the quran with the same (open minded) skepticism.

unknownuser

Whats correct for one person may not be correct for another..... 'know thyself'...

phoenix1

peace

We might be all different on the outside, but we're all the same on the inside.
That's why DETAILS ruin everything. We all want peace and happiness, and there is a WIDE path we can follow. It's when people make the path narrower and narrower with their details that the truth is lost.
peace

unknownuser

Peace Phoenix1

Who told you I don't have open minded skepticism about the quran?

Well whoever whispered in your ear that dirty lil rumor, it's wrong .. ssh

I believe no matter how in tune to your inner self you are, you will inevitably feel the very human negative emotions... There is a good way of coping with these emotions and then there's a bad way that leads to self-destruction.

By the way, thats just my own take on things, its not from the quran or anything else. If something else encompasses that statement then cool...

So anyone who tries to sell that they're so well-adjusted that they never feels anger or sadness or grief or heartache is selling me a bunch of baloney, with no offense to anyone on this forum at all.

I believe anything that helps you get thru life with peace and contentment is worth believing in... it's just turning it into something it's not is where you start walking out on a ledge ...

Part of what makes us human is the strife we all must face and that we all can have comfort in knowing we're not alone in that

Elena

Peace

'yes' to the 11 questions and to the consciousness/subconscious struggle question 'yes' too.

phoenix1

peace BOOST,

Who told you I don't have open minded skepticism about the quran?

I assumed. Sorry for making an ass out of u and me.
But it was a comment to everyone in general.

I believe no matter how in tune to your inner self you are, you will inevitably feel the very human negative emotions... There is a good way of coping with these emotions and then there's a bad way that leads to self-destruction.

I don't think there are any negative emotions. Emotions are neutral. Whether they are bad or good for us depends on if and how we use them. A small, controlled flame is very useful to us. But if it grows and gets out of control, we will burn (in hell).

unknownuser

Peace Phoenix1

I like your analogy skills D and I agree with you it's all about how you cope/channel/use them.