Are Progressive Muslims Demolishing Islam?
-
Obey the messenger whose role is lasting, not the nabi who dies like us.
-
My point still stands. Obey the specifics of that role, "rasool", not the person who dies.
-
DArgento,
You obviously have a hate for PM/FM, which is veiling you from seeing things from an objective point of view. Me, I only have an affiliation to the truth. If FM/PM is wrong in a particular case, I will have no problem voicing that opinion.
I don?t have a hatred for PM, but I dislike many of their motives. IT seem insincere and misguide, especially when many are just rejecting for rejecting sake yet they themselves cannot present solid, undeniable proof (like the mathematical sign) to back up their claims. I think with this intention, many have directly and indirectly demolish Islam.
And please cite the quranic verse that says 2.5%.
This is exactly what Im talking about. How about this, cited in the Quran why it is NOT 2.5%. Then you may understand my point.
Zulf,
Obviously there are elements within sunnism that are true.. I mean, hadeeth-free islam and sunnism have much incommon, they are not totally and entirely different.. they are both based on the quran for example!
Any element which can be considered correct should be accepted, no matter what label it has.
Nothing should be rejected without reasons and research. One must proceed objectively.I don?t think all aspects of traditional islam are without justification, but some are... but obviously not all.
Not only PM should be logical in their approach, EVERYONE should be.
I completely agree.
-
Salaam all,
No PM will not damage Islam. Islam has survived for 1400 years because it has the mechanisms of survival for long periods. Islam was challenged by much worse than PM and it always comes out on top. PM however will only destroy itself. That is what false movements do.
Peace Hussein
I would argue that the '"Islamic" world' has been in decline for over 1,000 years.
Roshan
-
Islamic world may be. Not Islam. It is resurging and the understanding of it is greater. You guys however. Your chance is when hell freezes over.
Hussein
It's a crying shame you could not refute my understanding, but yes, it's when Hell freezes over )
Islam is in a period of stagnation and apathy, no doubt about that.
-
Zenze, I noticed you used allot of " " if you posts...
Isn't it Islam since the prophet Muhammad (pboh) that we're talking about too?
It is Abraham's religion & deen, 2278. Islam since Moses = Judaism, Islam since Jesus = Christianity, Islam since Muhammad... well, take your pick.
Book 40, Number 4579
Narrated Abu Hurayrah
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.
-
Zenze, I noticed you used allot of " ) " if you posts...
Isn't it Islam since the prophet Muhammad (pboh) that we're talking about too?
In most cases yes, in some - )
Book 40, Number 4579
Narrated Abu Hurayrah
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.
The Prophet (PBUH) wins! yay
-
This is exactly what Im talking about. How about this, cited in the Quran why it is NOT 2.5%. Then you may understand my point.
I don't think you're understanding.
Sunnis/Shia have certain rules that one MUST follow that are not in the quran. There is nothing wrong with giving 2.5%. That is completely fine. But that's not the only way and is nowhere in the quran. Do you see the difference?
-
It's a crying shame you could not refute my understanding, but yes, it's when Hell freezes over )
Islam is in a period of stagnation and apathy, no doubt about that.
I agree and this is because of reason of rejection of Quranic Ayas e.g.Quran Said
459
(459) Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority; and then if you were to dispute among yourselves about anything refer it to Allah and the Messenger *89 if you indeed believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is better and more commendable in the end.And we have abandoned this quranic teaching.
-
I agree and this is because of reason of rejection of Quranic Ayas e.g.Quran Said
459
(459) Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority; and then if you were to dispute among yourselves about anything refer it to Allah and the Messenger *89 if you indeed believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is better and more commendable in the end.And we have abandoned this quranic teaching.
Yes, could not have put it better, the majority of people now follow conjecture (278, 6116, 1036, 1066), idle talk & baseless hadeeth (316, 969) that were made to mock the prophets, and they are now encompassed in them (610).
-
Peace be upon you,
Yes, demolishing "ISLAM" so that we can experience islam. Gettng rid of "blind faith" and pursuing Knowledge.
-
Peace be upon you,
Yes, demolishing "ISLAM" so that we can experience islam. Gettng rid of "blind faith" and pursuing Knowledge.
Actually I find many of the 'free thinkers' here are not free thinkers at all. They have simply exchanged one dogma for another one and are just as convinced that only they are right - as the 'Sunnis' they constantly mock.
-
Yes, demolishing "ISLAM" so that we can experience islam. Gettng rid of "blind faith" and pursuing Knowledge.
Hey Kyle, I'm not sure how Islam can be destroyed to experience islam? In any case, I'm all for it to get rid of blind faith altogether but the only major obstacle hindering such a path would be "holy books" if not our six senses. What say you?Peace!