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    Elke
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    I do not know why Quranists always circumvent the question.
    Where do Hadith come in ??
    I repeat my question
    Quran says and Quranists repeatedly post these verses tha Quran is
    -Detailed
    -Explained
    -Clear
    Why do Quranists need to explain it an already fully explained ,easy and clear book terms?
    Do they think that Quran's explanations are defective or insufficient so that need further extra Quranic explanations ??

    Dear leo

    who told you i was a quaranist ? And i think i answered your questions, it's just that you don't want to and as such are not able to understand. And NO, i'm NOT implying that you are stupid or something. Any text, even detailed and clear, has to be understood to be of any good (or bad). And usually , even when clear, it can be understood in different manners this forum is the very proof of it.

    Peace lk

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      siki
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      Dear leo

      who told you i was a quaranist ? And i think i answered your questions, it's just that you don't want to and as such are not able to understand. And NO, i'm NOT implying that you are stupid or something. Any text, even detailed and clear, has to be understood to be of any good (or bad). And usually , even when clear, it can be understood in different manners this forum is the very proof of it.

      Peace lk

      well said bravo

      siki

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        Samia
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        Evidence please ??

        Have you honestly read all of my post?

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          wildguest1956
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          Thanks /JM/
          Nice post

          In definition of kufr, you say

          Do I understand that kufr has little to do with believing in God?

          Peace Samia

          To believe sincerely in a god who rewards good deeds and punishes bad ones in the hereafter entails to be someone who do good deeds and avoid bad ones.

          That?s why I think "believer" is almost synonymous with "good-doer".
          And that?s why there is no mention if the Quran of ?believers who do bad deeds?.
          And reciprocally.

          Peace

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            Samia
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            Peace Samia

            To believe sincerely in a god who rewards good deeds and punishes bad ones in the hereafter entails to be someone who do good deeds and avoid bad ones.

            That?s why I think "believer" is almost synonymous with "good-doer".
            And that?s why there is no mention if the Quran of ?believers who do bad deeds?.
            And reciprocally.

            Peace

            Salaam /JM/

            I believe you're right and I agree with you; I just wanted to be sure . Thanks

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              nadeem
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              Peace JM,

              And that?s why there is no mention if the Quran of ?believers who do bad deeds?.

              Free Minds 499
              And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with God's command. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable.

              What do you make of this verse? Does the believing group that aggresses become disbelievers until they comply with God's command?

              Nadeem

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                Elke
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                Thank you siki !
                peace lk

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                  Raj-ah
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                  Samia

                  448

                  God does not forgive setting partners with Him but He forgives anything else (what is below that)to whomever He wills; and whoever sets partners with God, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin

                  4116

                  God does not forgive setting partners with Him but He forgives anything else (what is below that)to whomever He wills; and whoever sets partners with God, he has indeed strayed far away.

                  2 questions

                  1. Is non believing in God part of the forgiven sins?

                  2. Why the quraan does not give an example of someone who is a non believer but a good doer?

                  "The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority,"

                  Your understanding for it??

                  1. Wife of Pharoah,

                  And We inspired the mother of M?sa (Moses), (saying) "Suckle him , but when you fear for him, then cast him into the river and fear not, nor grieve. Verily! We shall bring him back to you, and shall make him one of (Our) Messengers."

                  Then the household of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) picked him up, that he might become for them an enemy and a (cause of) grief. Verily! Fir'aun (Pharaoh), H?m?n and their hosts were sinners.

                  And the wife of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said "A comfort of the eye for me and for you. Kill him not, perhaps he may be of benefit to us, or we may adopt him as a son." And they perceive not (the result of that

                  At the time when she picked moses was she a believer??

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                    Samia
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                    Samia
                    1.
                    "The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority,"

                    Your understanding for it??
                    2. Wife of Pharoah,

                    And We inspired the mother of M?sa (Moses), (saying) "Suckle him , but when you fear for him, then cast him into the river and fear not, nor grieve. Verily! We shall bring him back to you, and shall make him one of (Our) Messengers."

                    Then the household of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) picked him up, that he might become for them an enemy and a (cause of) grief. Verily! Fir'aun (Pharaoh), H?m?n and their hosts were sinners.

                    And the wife of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said "A comfort of the eye for me and for you. Kill him not, perhaps he may be of benefit to us, or we may adopt him as a son." And they perceive not (the result of that

                    At the time when she picked moses was she a believer??

                    I have no idea. I was asking.
                    What do you think?

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                      wildguest1956
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                      Peace JM,

                      Free Minds 499
                      And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with God's command. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable.

                      What do you make of this verse? Does the believing group that aggresses become disbelievers until they comply with God's command?

                      Yes, I think so.

                      Peace

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                        nadeem
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                        I agree -)

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                          unknownuser
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                          With cross-referencing (2190 and others), what else can it mean?

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                            ijaz
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                            Only two?

                            There is a whole chapter named the arguing woman (5 but does not tell who this woman was; there is also that one man who believed the mesengers (chapter Yaa-Seen - 36); the people of the cave (1 including the dog; the man whom God made dead for 100 year; his donkey; Moses mother and sister; Noah's wife; Lot's wife or any other prophet's/messenger's wife...ah, and Our Mother, wife of Adam (for those who believe Adam is an individual)...the list is very long. Why among all these very important personalities, whether believers (on top of whom are the mothers of the mu'mins/wives of the prophet) or criminals who were probably worse than Abu Lahab, would God give Abu Lahab the honor of mentioning his name, telling us about his punishment but does not tell about his crime?

                            And what about Abu Jahl? He must be jealous!!

                            Salaam Samia,

                            If there were in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside GOD, there would have been chaos. Glory be to GOD; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims.

                            Never Question God's Wisdom

                            He is never to be asked about anything He does, while all others are questioned.

                            Regards

                            Ijaz

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                              Samia
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                              Salaam Samia,

                              If there were in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside GOD, there would have been chaos. Glory be to GOD; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims.

                              Never Question God's Wisdom

                              He is never to be asked about anything He does, while all others are questioned.

                              Regards

                              Ijaz

                              Salaam ijaz

                              I was not questioning God, and I did not go into counting to find who this or that was when He did not tell me. I was questioning YOU why you picked only two of the many anonymous persons.

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