How many verses are there in the quran ?
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Peace "Eid",
Listen?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4HrUFIbzyI
Nice conversing with you jonny ? God bless.
Peace
JK- Just answer me this. Is "salat" spelled "sad laam waw ha" or "sad laam alif ha"? Is "'ala" spelled "ain laam alif" or "ain laam ya"? Is "rahman" spelled "ra Ha meem alif noon" or "ra Ha meem noon"? GOD Bless!
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Peace again "eid",
Let me show you how inconsistent you were even according to your own counting of "ya".You wrote
My(Eid's) list included y hamza and what no problem with wara-ee?
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JK- Now look how you included the UNDOTTED WAVE from the Aabic script before the final dotted ya in your count. The one which is topped by hamza as a diacritical mark. BUT when it comes to "fanadaaha" YOU FORGOT TO DO THE SAME AND INSIST THAT THERES NO UNDOTTED YA WAVE THERE BTW DAAL AND HA BUT INSTEAD YOU SELECT THE ALIF KHARANJIYYA(i.e. daggar alif which is a DIACRITICAL MARK NOT LETTER ALIF) AS A LETTER. Here is the verse again in image NOT UNICODE which is Persian anyways and therefore FALSE.
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif
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Peace jonny,
Let me show you how inconsistent you were even according to your own counting of "ya".
Arabic evolved from Nabataean Aramaic script, used since 4th century, earliest inscriptions in Arabic, Syriac and Greek from 512; Aramaic has fewer consonants than Arabic, so during the 7th century new Arabic letters were created by adding dots to existing letters in order to avoid ambiguities and diacritics indicating short vowels were introduced to ensure the Qur'an was read aloud without mistakes. Think of it as everyone sings the song "my way" ...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfcf1acU1I
http//www.ancientscripts.com/arabic.html
http//www.transparent.com/arabic/alif-and-hamza/
http//www.transparent.com/arabic/alif-and-hamza-part-2/
http//www.answers.com/topic/hamza
http//en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Arabic/LearnRW/hamza_and_Superscript_AlifOnly reason Qur'an is in Arabic...
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Else if different land/messenger as in ancient Illyricum (land of two-horns) extinct Illyrian would suffice.
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Peace "Eid",
Peace jonny,
Arabic evolved from Nabataean Aramaic script, used since 4th century, earliest inscriptions in Arabic, Syriac and Greek from 512; Aramaic has fewer consonants than Arabic, so during the 7th century new Arabic letters were created by adding dots to existing letters in order to avoid ambiguities and diacritics indicating short vowels were introduced to ensure the Qur'an was read aloud without mistakes. Think of it as everyone sings the song "my way" ...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfcf1acU1I
http//www.ancientscripts.com/arabic.html
http//www.transparent.com/arabic/alif-and-hamza/
http//www.transparent.com/arabic/alif-and-hamza-part-2/
http//www.answers.com/topic/hamza
http//en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Arabic/LearnRW/hamza_and_Superscript_AlifOnly reason Qur'an is in Arabic...
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Else if different land/messenger as in ancient Illyricum (land of two-horns) extinct Illyrian would suffice.
JK- The Quran did not have diacritical marks originally, YES i know this well, BUT everyone could distinguish the letters by reading it in the context AND everyone could identify which letter is a ya, a ta, a tha etc because ALL LETTERS HAD WAVES OF VARIOUS SHAPES present IN WRITING. NOW FOR THE LAST TIME HOW DO YOU SPELL THE TERMS RAHMAN, 'ALA AND SALAT? GOD Bless!
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997
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Peace "Eid",
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JK- So then how come you trust the Arabs when they claim to have put the Quran to memory? What is this nonsense? YOUR CONTINUOUSLY AVOIDING THE ISSUE. You have not answered my question. Im not going to let you get away with this. HOW DO YOU SPELL SALAT, RAHMAN AND 'ALAA? GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
JK- So then how come you trust the Arabs when they claim to have put the Quran to memory? What is this nonsense? YOUR CONTINUOUSLY AVOIDING THE ISSUE. You have not answered my question. Im not going to let you get away with this. HOW DO YOU SPELL SALAT, RAHMAN AND 'ALAA? GOD Bless!
Look not all are Arabs?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZCofcQzscsSometimes I spell it as faljen (namazin) and M?shiruesi ?
Dhe paqe me ju!
Selamun alejkum
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Peace "Eid",
JK- So then how come you trust the Arabs when they claim to have put the Quran to memory? What is this nonsense?
Dear JK peace
Your comments of above appear under one verse
What do you meand by
How did you translateit as "Arabs".
If at sometime one is "kaafir" what it has to do with memorization of the Quran when he becomes a muslim ?
You call it as "non sense " but I feel it otherway round.
Waiting for your explanation.
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Peace "Eid",
Peace jonny,
Look not all are Arabs?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZCofcQzscsSometimes I spell it as faljen (namazin) and M?shiruesi ?
Dhe paqe me ju!
Selamun alejkum
JK- Eid are YOU AN ARAB OR NOT for it sure sounds like that from your name "eid ABDULLAH"? If so you should know how those three Arabic terms are spelled. SO PL SPEL THEM HERE FOR ME. Thnx. GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
JK- Eid are YOU AN ARAB OR NOT for it sure sounds like that from your name "eid ABDULLAH"? If so you should know how those three Arabic terms are spelled. SO PL SPEL THEM HERE FOR ME. Thnx. GOD Bless!
Why to prove a pointless point. Here you agreed with my count except a few verses...
JK- IM including all yas YOU included MINUS EIGHT yas from terms "shaiyan(sheen YA hamza alif, occuring 6 times in 199,27,42,60,67,89)", "israeel(alif seen ra hamza YA lam, in 195" and "warian(waw ra hamza YA alif in 1974)" all of these having only ONE YA AND NOT TWO LIKE YOU MR.EID SHOWED IN YOUR LIST. PLUS i added TWO yas, one from the word "nadaaha(noon daal YA ha alif)" in 1924 and the other "ataania(hamza alif ta YA noon YA)" from 1930 see (http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_20-25.htm) and
(http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_26-30.htm). So 8-2=6. Minus 6 from your result 349 and you get exactly 343. CLEAR?My list also included y hamza in wara-ee?
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Therefore, according to you 349 ? 7 = 342
19 K H Y A S 137 + 175 + 342 + 117 + 26 = 797 NOT MULTIPLE!
Now a question for you; how do you say/spell the name below ? tell us which is correct and why?
Hebrew , Modern Avraham Tiberian Arhm Ashkenazi Avrohom or Avruhom ; Arabic , Ibrhm
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Peace all
I posted my query to know if we really have a basis for making the "counts" as those who espouse Code 19 want us to believe. I am on my own journey to understand whether there is or there is not a basis for Code 19.
Even before I start joining the "counting" bandwagon, I need to verify, among others, these three claims
- Rashad Khalifa is the messenger of the covenant based on 381.
- The "it" in 7430 refers to a sign concerning the quran, and consequently to the code 19.
- The numbers (or symbols, whichever is applicable) of the chapters and verses were part of the revelation to Muhammad (please refer back to my inquiries).
If these three basic claims are not satisfied, then I really don't need to proceed with the counting as the counting has no basis to start with.
May God forgive me if I'm wrong, but my study has so far showed me that Rashad Khalifa is not the messenger of the covenant mentioned in 381. How can he confirm/authenticate what the prophets have and in turn they will acknowledge and support him? The same situation will arise even if the interpretation of 381 would be a messenger for every prophet.
Further, no matter how you read 7430 it always points back to saqar and the 19 angels guarding over it, and that the number or the count of 19 is not an ayat or sign but a fitna or a test/trial. So what is the basis of code 19 from this verse?
Now, I'm not really sure about the chapter or verse numbers, especially on whether they form part of the revelation to Muhammad or that they were later introduced into the quran for easy referencing. I'd like to ask the brothers and the sisters here who can recite the quran from memory. When you recite the quran do you think of the chapter and verse number(s) or do you just flow from one verse to another unmindful of these numbers? If the chapter and verse numbers are not needed in the RECITATION of the quran, then it could really have been introduced FOR EASY READING. In this case, counting 19s has no basis to start with.
The problem now is that this post/inquiry has been hijacked by conversations on the "counting" itself, so I expect this post to die a natural death. Nonetheless, I appreciate the responsive responses from some brothers. And I apologize for the late reply since I just shifted from a graveyard shift job to a day job. I have never seen beautiful sunrises for too long until now, alhamdulillah.
May God increase our knowledge.
Peace everyone,
ramon