How many verses are there in the quran ?
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Peace jonny,
..."waraai" in 195 which has one ya NOT two.
y hamza written as above a dotless y or alone
If you want to exclude then...
19 K H Y A S 137 + 175 + 349 (-15) + 117 + 26 = 789 / 19 = 41.5263158 NOT MULTIPLE!
Moreover you probably ignored the count of 1924 ?fanadA(ya)ha? and 1930 ?atA(ya)niya.
Not interested how the manipulators from the land of the clueless write it.
Fanadaha min tahtiha alla tahzanee qad jaAAala rabbuki tahtaki sariyyan
1924Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan
1930JK- Ive explained this very well. In order to pronounce "noon" you spell NON WAW NOON. Think of it as an initial spelled out.
An initial spelled out? Think of it as MANIPULATION!
Why am I wasting time with this? lol
JK- Sorry fail. These are elongated phrases NOT attributes anymore. "wallahu zu fadhlnl 'alal mumineen" is a phrase NOT an attribute. The attribute here is "zu fadlin." PERIOD. Same goes or the rest. GOD Bless!
You claim otherwise with Zul fadlil 'azeem
How can these not be attributes?
3163 baseerun bima yaAAmaloona
866 maAAa alssabireena
1219 AAaleemun bima yaAAmaloona
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Peace "Eid",
Peace jonny,
y hamza written as above a dotless y or alone
If you want to exclude then...
19 K H Y A S 137 + 175 + 349 (-15) + 117 + 26 = 789 / 19 = 41.5263158 NOT MULTIPLE!
JK- MAN why are you turning hamza into a YA? What is this game your playing now? Admit that you were wrong. It doesnt matter whether hamza or not. That is just how the count computer works OTHERWISE you have to see for yourself whether there is a YA there or not. "waraai" has ONE YA ONLY. PERIOD. The rest of the counts ive stated already.
Not interested how the manipulators from the land of the clueless write it.
Fanadaha min tahtiha alla tahzanee qad jaAAala rabbuki tahtaki sariyyan
1924Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan
1930JK- It begins to look like your the dishonest one here. Is islamicity.org working with s.org??? DEFINITELY NOT. Theyr sunnis and strongly against code-19. They also have 9128-129 on there. Go llok it up. YET you can clearly see the YA wave in those verses on their site. SO WHICH QURANIC MANUSCRIPT DO YOU TRUST? Perhaps the modern persian one?
An initial spelled out? Think of it as MANIPULATION!
Why am I wasting time with this? lol
JK- YES the initial NOON is special. Why else would GOD mention "zan-noon" in that other verse? Try to offer a better explanation if you can.
You claim otherwise with Zul fadlil 'azeem
JK- Theres a difference btw "zul fadlil 'ALA..." and "zul fadlil azeem" the latter of which indeed is a compound attribute. Thats exactly what im trying to say. You have to recognize by rules of the language which are attributes and which arnt not just use random adding of words to form phrases.
How can these not be attributes?
3163 baseerun bima yaAAmaloona
866 maAAa alssabireena
1219 AAaleemun bima yaAAmaloona
JK- Because of the conjunction "bima" and in 866 you posted the ending which goes "allahu MAASABIREEN" meaning "GOD is with the ones who persevere". What has this got to do with an attribute? It's a stateement. The attributes here would be "aleem" and "baseer". GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
JK- MAN why are you turning hamza into a YA?
y hamza written as and makes no difference whether you count them or not still NOT MULTIPLE!
Not playing, no need, not my fitna -- you are the ones playing games injecting letters, removing verses...
you probably ignored the count of 1924 ?fanadA(ya)ha?
SO WHICH QURANIC MANUSCRIPT DO YOU TRUST?
This one!
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1h09fef92QI'm done conversing with the clueless manipulators of the book.
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Peace "eid",
Peace jonny,
y hamza written as and makes no difference whether you count them or not still NOT MULTIPLE!
Not playing, no need, not my fitna -- you are the ones playing games injecting letters, removing verses...
JK- Yes and there is no two yas in "shaiyan", "israeel" or "warian". ALL HAVE ONLY ONE whilst you showed two in each. I showed you clearly how the yas add up to 343. Your not even bothering to correct your counts. If your mistakes are corrected youll see that 8 of your terms will need to be subtracted from 804 making it 796 and 2 added(1924&30) and youll have a xple. Simple as that.
This one!
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1h09fef92QJK- This is not a manuscript. Only a recital and only in part. There are many recitals btw amongst which warsh and hafs vary ocassionally.
I'm done conversing with the clueless manipulators of the book.
JK- Your done because you cant bear your defeat. This nothing but arrogant rhetoric. It will not convince anyone. people are smart enough to check the facts i provided. GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
JK- This is not a manuscript. Only a recital and only in part. There are many recitals btw amongst which warsh and hafs vary ocassionally.
So what, there are many renditions of the song ?my way? including by Sinatra and Elvis.
JK- Your done because you cant bear your defeat. This nothing but arrogant rhetoric. It will not convince anyone. people are smart enough to check the facts i provided. GOD Bless!
I could not bear your nonsense any longer and you provided NOTHING!
Post the entire chapter 19 in Arabic (no links) and tell us which you are including in your count...
y hamza gv=10
y? mu?jamah gv=10
y? muhmalah gv=10I want to see how you come out with 343
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Peace "Eid",
Peace jonny,
So what, there are many renditions of the song ?my way? including by Sinatra and Elvis.
JK- Yes but that reading changes the grammar. HERE look at some of the differences btw hafs and warsh
http//www.submission.org/quran/warsh.html
http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html
http//www.answering-islam.org/PQ/ch6-index.html
http//www.answering-islam.org/PQ/PlateWH1-index.htm
Moreover you relying on a sunni/shia recital of the Quran is real childish. Anyone can teach their children tor recite someting and call it Quran. How do you distinguish? By beating them whenever he doesnt recite something against what you previously heard was Quran? COMMON. There has to be a mechanism.I could not bear your nonsense any longer and you provided NOTHING!
Post the entire chapter 19 in Arabic (no links) and tell us which you are including in your count...
y hamza gv=10
y? mu?jamah gv=10
y? muhmalah gv=10I want to see how you come out with 343
JK- IM including all yas YOU included MINUS EIGHT yas from terms "shaiyan(sheen YA hamza alif, occuring 6 times in 199,27,42,60,67,89)", "israeel(alif seen ra hamza YA lam, in 195" and "warian(waw ra hamza YA alif in 1974)" all of these having only ONE YA AND NOT TWO LIKE YOU MR.EID SHOWED IN YOUR LIST. PLUS i added TWO yas, one from the word "nadaaha(noon daal YA ha alif)" in 1924 and the other "ataania(hamza alif ta YA noon YA)" from 1930 see (http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_20-25.htm) and
(http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_26-30.htm). So 8-2=6. Minus 6 from your result 349 and you get exactly 343. CLEAR? GOD Bless! -
Peace jonny,
Moreover you relying on a sunni/shia recital of the Quran is real childish. Anyone can teach their children tor recite someting and call it Quran. How do you distinguish?
Nothing to distinguish, they are the same stories which you got the same book the same way through memorizing 5417 and now shred to pieces removing verses, changing words, and even conjecture about order of revelation to fit a code for na?ve cattle and other nonsense from the land of the clueless obsessed with all things nineteen.
JK- IM including all yas YOU included MINUS EIGHT yas from terms "shaiyan(sheen YA hamza alif, occuring 6 times in 199,27,42,60,67,89)", "israeel(alif seen ra hamza YA lam, in 195" and "warian(waw ra hamza YA alif in 1974)" all of these having only ONE YA AND NOT TWO LIKE YOU MR.EID SHOWED IN YOUR LIST.
My list included y hamza and what no problem with wara-ee?
195
PLUS i added TWO yas, one from the word "nadaaha(noon daal YA ha alif)" in 1924 and the other "ataania(hamza alif ta YA noon YA)" from 1930
http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=19&vid=24
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/19/24/
http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=19&translator=7#11924 Fanadaha - So he called her?
Keep manipulating to make nineteen like your idol for the na?ve?
http//bruceadumas.com/db2/00111/bruceadumas.com/_uimages/Curious-Cows-13-x-19.jpg
"Curious Cows"
13" x 19"
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Peace "eid",
Peace jonny,
Nothing to distinguish, they are the same stories which you got the same book the same way through memorizing 5417 and now shred to pieces removing verses, changing words, and even conjecture about order of revelation to fit a code for na?ve cattle and other nonsense from the land of the clueless obsessed with all things nineteen.
JK- So now you rely on memorization? So say if tomorrow people accepting Quran Alone will start memorizing the Quran without 9128&129? What would you say then? OR say tomoroow some people also accepting only Quran would memorize the Quran with an additional verse appended to sura fatiha which doesnt contradict the rest of the Quranic verses either? Would you accept it as Quran? If you dont then how come your accepting the memorization of hadith followers as Quran? Doesnt that make you a hypocrite trusting those people more about what the Quran is than those who strive to follow Quran Alone?
My list included y hamza and what no problem with wara-ee?
JK- YES THERE IS A PROBLEM. LOOK IT UP. WARAEE DOES NOT HAVE TWO YAS. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT?
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.htm
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.gif
See "waw ra ALIF hamza YA". NOT two yas. DO U SEE IT?195
JK- There is NO WAVE connecting the last ya. Here SEE http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.htm
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.gif
Where are you getting this from? Your probably using a later persian manuscript.http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=19&vid=24
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/19/24/
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.htm
http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=19&translator=7#1JK- islamicity CLEARLY shows a wave before HA in fanadaaha upon which theres a small standing alif. DONT U SEE IT? That is a YA. http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif. Openburhan is probably a persian manuscript not original.
1924 Fanadaha - So he called her?
JK- This is NOT how its spelled at islamicity.
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gifKeep manipulating like your idol for the na?ve?
http//bruceadumas.com/db2/00111/bruceadumas.com/_uimages/Curious-Cows-13-x-19.jpg
"Curious Cows"
13" x 19"
JK- I think your not looking correctly or your deliberately hiding the truth. We shall see. GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
JK- So now you rely on memorization? So say if tomorrow people accepting Quran Alone will start memorizing the Quran without 9128&129? What would you say then? OR say tomoroow some people also accepting only Quran would memorize the Quran with an additional verse appended to sura fatiha which doesnt contradict the rest of the Quranic verses either? Would you accept it as Quran? If you dont then how come your accepting the memorization of hadith followers as Quran? Doesnt that make you a hypocrite trusting those people more about what the Quran is than those who strive to follow Quran Alone?
Those who remove verses are known liars same as the missionaries and heretics who spread lies about God and Quran ? they will be punished in this world and the next.
5417 And We have made the Quran flexible to the remembrance, so is there from a rememberer?
JK- YES THERE IS A PROBLEM. LOOK IT UP. WARAEE DOES NOT HAVE TWO YAS. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT?
This was not on your list which you said is the same as mine!
195
What?s the count again 343?
JK- islamicity CLEARLY shows a wave before HA in fanadaaha upon which theres a small standing alif. DONT U SEE IT? That is a YA. http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif.
No I do not see it in that picture, here http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
Verse Search
Search By Verse RefNoble Quran
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Fanadaha min tahtiha alla tahzanee qad jaAAala rabbuki tahtaki sariyyanTopics discussed in this Verse
1924 (Asad) Thereupon called out to her from beneath that "Grieve not! Thy Sustainer has provided a rivulet beneath thee;
SEE YA!?
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Peace "eid",
Peace jonny,
Those who remove verses are known liars same as the missionaries and heretics who spread lies about God and Quran ? they will be punished in this world and the next.
5417 And We have made the Quran flexible to the remembrance, so is there from a rememberer?
JK- Known by WHOM? Sunni/shia? Dont compare those who accept Quran Alone with Christian missionaries now. Once again you didnt answe my questions. HOW do you determine which is the true Quran? Do you do this based on what the MAJORITY say? If so your going against the Quran itself
12106 The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so without committing idol worship.This was not on your list which you said is the same as mine!
195
What?s the count again 343?
JK- AGAIN your showing waraai with TWO YAS. Your using a persian quranic script. Openburhan IS PERSIAN SCRIPT. YOU CAN SEE THIS BY LOOKING AT HOW THEY SPELL THE WORD "SALAT". Salat should be spelled "sad lam WAW ha" as in the original NOT "sad lam alif ha". See for example
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/2/2_3.htm
ALL other sites you quoted except islamicity have the same problem.No I do not see it in that picture, here http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
Verse Search
Search By Verse RefSEE YA!?
JK- MAN I QUOTED THE VERSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. HERE
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif
DO YOU SEE THE WAVE BEFORE THE "HA" IN NADAAHA? The small alif on top is a VOWEL MARK NOT A REAL LETTER ALIF JUST LIKE THE ONE IN RAHMAN ABOVE THE MEEM. GOD Bless! -
Peace again "Eid",
The verse reference serach at islamicity you showed me also has the same problem. Just look at how they spell "rahmat" in 192
http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
(192
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_2.gif
They spell it "ra ha meem HA" isntead of "ra ha meem ta" as THE VERY SAME ONE THEY HAVE on the image script of the Quran. The latter image is correct. Look at that only. GOD Bless! -
Peace "eid",
I can show you another example with "salat" in sura 23. Here compare
From http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
23 23From http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/2/2_3.htm
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/2/2_3.gif
Do you see now that the quran search counting script is wrong? You need to look at the image one. I havnt yet found a correct Arabic searchable script online with which you can search with letters like in the original image script. GOD Bless! -
Peace again "Eid",
See now how the same mistake is made with the word "ataani" in 1930.
From http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
(1930)
From http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_30.htm
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_30.gifDO YOU SEE CLEARLY IN THE IMAGE THE YA WAVE IN THE WORD "ATAANI" BETWEEN THE WAVES OF TA AND NOON UPON WHICH THERES THE SMALL VOWEL MARK ALIF? NOTICE IN THE SAME VERSE THERES NO WAVE BTW TA AND BA IN THE WORD "KITAAB" DESPITE THERE BEING A SMALL VOWEL MARK ALIF IN BTW. The undotted wave is NOT just for placing an alif on it. It is a genuine letter A YA. YAs dont need to be dotted and in the earliest manuscripts infact nothing was. GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
Once again you didnt answe my questions. HOW do you determine which is the true Quran?
...Salat should be spelled "sad lam WAW ha" as in the original NOT "sad lam alif ha".
....Just look at how they spell "rahmat" in 192
They spell it "ra ha meem HA" isntead of "ra ha meem ta"...See now how the same mistake is made with the word "ataani" in 1930.
YAs dont need to be dotted and in the earliest manuscripts infact nothing was.These are the same missionary type of questions to create doubt.
http//www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm
It makes little difference; the meanings of the words are known.
Here is a suggestion, instead of being ALL OVER THE PLACE, tell us about the two smallest chapters ? tie #of words/letters to the chapter # and prevent someone from flipping verses between chapters or deleting and adding words and letters within each chapter etc and tell us how nineteen prevents this.
1081
1082
10831101
1102
1103One can fix most problems by breaking it down to simplest components and if you cannot solve this for the smallest chapters don?t even waste time with the larger ones with this numerology nonesense.
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Peace "eid",
Peace jonny,
These are the same missionary type of questions to create doubt.
http//www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm
It makes little difference; the meanings of the words are known.
JK- YES BUT wer talking about letters here mainly. The meanings of the words in many cases sunni/shia interpret differently too. So you saying that every word in the Quran is known is WRONG. To give u an example for centuries "muslims" thought the term "dahaaha" meant "spread out" hence promoting a flat earth whilst further rearch found it to imply "ostrich egg shaped".
Here is a suggestion, instead of being ALL OVER THE PLACE, tell us about the two smallest chapters ? tie #of words/letters to the chapter # and prevent someone from flipping verses between chapters or deleting and adding words and letters within each chapter etc and tell us how nineteen prevents this.
1081
1082
10831101
1102
1103One can fix most problems by breaking it down to simplest components and if you cannot solve this for the smallest chapters don?t even waste time with the larger ones with this numerology nonesense.
JK- Finally the code will cover each and every letter. That is my prediction. I told you already that the numerical structure is still just in its very early phase and we rely mostly on the manuscript dated close to the death of Muhammad but not yet entirely during his lifetime. The Quran WILL reveal itself gradually ia the mechanisms provided by GOD. I WANT YOU to admit that the initial count is at least SIGNIFICANT and shows that 19 is there. So have you accepted the counts now finally before we move on? GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
JK- YES BUT wer talking about letters here mainly. The meanings of the words in many cases sunni/shia interpret differently too. So you saying that every word in the Quran is known is WRONG. To give u an example for centuries "muslims" thought the term "dahaaha" meant "spread out" hence promoting a flat earth whilst further rearch found it to imply "ostrich egg shaped".
Not saying every word is WRONG, only there may be slight spelling and recitation differences.
Egg shape is an attempt to fit translation to a round globe similar to how missionaries twist the word encompasses
http//bible.cc/isaiah/40-22.htmIf taken literally means sits on top of the globe like on a ball which is absurd as egg shape which the earth is NOT!
7930 And the earth after that He stretched/spread it.
http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=79&vid=30The above has nothing to do with flat earth or physics unless you believe in expanding earth theory...
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Growing_earth.gif
New Model of the Universe
Videos
http//www.nealadams.com/nmu.html
http//www.continuitystudios.net/clip00.htmlI read it as allegoric "stretched/spread it" like a welcoming carpet, made it comfortable, etc.
JK- Finally the code will cover each and every letter. That is my prediction. I told you already that the numerical structure is still just in its very early phase and we rely mostly on the manuscript dated close to the death of Muhammad but not yet entirely during his lifetime. The Quran WILL reveal itself gradually ia the mechanisms provided by GOD. I WANT YOU to admit that the initial count is at least SIGNIFICANT and shows that 19 is there. So have you accepted the counts now finally before we move on? GOD Bless!
Accept what counts and all the nonsense on submission.org and 19.org? They are all over the place, inconsistent, insignificant, and if you keep messing with anything long enough shredding it to pieces to fit a none existent numerology code it will look nothing like the original.
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Peace "Eid",
Peace jonny,
Not saying every word is WRONG, only there may be slight spelling and recitation differences.
JK- When your counting letters and insist that others manipualte and you have te correct count then you sure must take into consideration that certain letters were added and left out in quranic manuscripts. That is what ive clearly shown when sometimes "waw" is repalced with "fa" int he same word in the same verse for example.
Egg shape is an attempt to fit translation to a round globe similar to how missionaries twist the word encompasses
http//bible.cc/isaiah/40-22.htmIf taken literally means sits on top of the globe like on a ball which is absurd as egg shape which the earth is NOT!
JK- The earth is slightly flatened at the poles and is not a perfect sphere which is similar to an OSTRICH, NOT A NORMAL, egg. HOWEVER that is not the only misunderstanding of Quranic terms. Let me ive you another example. "7 samawaat". Some people thought it was the 7 layers of the atmosphere. But that cant be the case because the quantization is ambiguous and there can be more sub layers always introduced. Some "muslims" say it means "7 dimensions". Yet others have claimed they are "7 parallel universes". So you cant say the meaning is always understood. Moreover shia use verse 424 to justify "mut'a" because a derivaive of the term "astaMT'Atum" occurs in there whilst sunnis reject it. So it goes as far as legal issues.
7930 And the earth after that He stretched/spread it.
http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=79&vid=30The above has nothing to do with flat earth or physics unless you believe in expanding earth theory...
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Growing_earth.gif
New Model of the Universe
Videos
http//www.nealadams.com/nmu.html
http//www.continuitystudios.net/clip00.htmlI read it as allegoric "stretched/spread it" like a welcoming carpet, made it comfortable, etc.
JK- Ok fine but as i mentioned there are more problems of understanding terms. No one can claim that he understands the whole Quran or every term of the Quran or even that humans collectively to this day understand all of it.
Accept what counts and all the nonsense on submission.org and 19.org? They are all over the place, inconsistent, insignificant, and if you keep messing with anything long enough shredding it to pieces to fit a none existent numerology code it will look nothing like the original.
JK- I showed you FROM THE IMAGES, NOT ARABIC SERACH DATABSE, AT ISLAMICITY that "fanadaaha" has one YA BTW DAAL AND HA BELOW THE VOWEL MARK ALIF and "ataaniy" has TWO YAS one at the end AND ANOTHER BTW TA AND NOON. So do you agree with that now? GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
JK- The earth is slightly flatened at the poles and is not a perfect sphere which is similar to an OSTRICH, NOT A NORMAL, egg. HOWEVER that is not the only misunderstanding of Quranic terms. Let me ive you another example. "7 samawaat". Some people thought it was the 7 layers of the atmosphere. But that cant be the case because the quantization is ambiguous and there can be more sub layers always introduced. Some "muslims" say it means "7 dimensions". Yet others have claimed they are "7 parallel universes". So you cant say the meaning is always understood. Moreover shia use verse 424 to justify "mut'a" because a derivaive of the term "astaMT'Atum" occurs in there whilst sunnis reject it. So it goes as far as legal issues.
Of course not atmosphere for that would put the stars in the lowest atmosphere and spelling to make nineteen does not help common sense; what I meant by understood is words like rahmat and salat regardless how pronounced or spelled.
JK- I showed you FROM THE IMAGES, NOT ARABIC SERACH DATABSE, AT ISLAMICITY that "fanadaaha" has one YA BTW DAAL AND HA BELOW THE VOWEL MARK ALIF and "ataaniy" has TWO YAS one at the end AND ANOTHER BTW TA AND NOON. So do you agree with that now? GOD Bless!
I agree with this? (listen to voice 523 minute)
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU
A favorite chapter, often enjoy listening to in the car on long drives.
Peace
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Peace "eid",
Peace jonny,
Of course not atmosphere for that would put the stars in the lowest atmosphere and spelling to make nineteen does not help common sense; what I meant by understood is words like rahmat and salat regardless how pronounced or spelled.
JK- 2st why do you restrict the understanding to "rahmat" and "salat" and not the many other terms in the Quran also? Are those the most important terms in the Quran? AND EVEN "salat" is in our understanding of the Quran translated WRONGLY. Consider 95. Does it make sense that GOD whos already sttaed that theres no compulsion inr religion in sura 2 ask of us to only forgive certain unbeleivers if they perform ritual prayers? NO tht doesnt make any sense at all. Salat means more of a comittment or the learning process which one goes through if somenone is explaining something and the one studying it.
I agree with this? (listen to voice 523 minute)
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU
A favorite chapter, often enjoy listening to in the car on long drives.
Peace
JK- Wer talking about the WRTING/SCRIPTURE/KITAAB not the recital(qiraa) here. Do you know how the word pronounced "'alaa" meaning "upon" is spelled? It is spelled "ain laam YA" not "ain laam ALIF". Also do you know how the word "salat" is spelled? It is spelled "saad lam WAW ha" NOT "sad laam ALIF ha". So in many cases a word with an alif pronounciation is spelled with a ya or even waw as in the case of "salat". You should lknow this as an Arab. GOT IT? So i ask you again DO YOU AGREE THAT THE TERM "FANADAAHA" IN 1924 IS SPELLED WIH A YA BTW DAAL AND HA AND DO YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE TERM "ATAANI" IN 1930 IS ALSO SPELLED WITH A YA BTW TA AND NOON? GOD Bless!
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Listen?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4HrUFIbzyI
Nice conversing with you jonny ? God bless.
Peace