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Face cover: God's only flaw?

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    sahaba
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    Face Cover God's only flaw?

    The human face which almighty Allah has given us is no doubt the most important identity we carry. This is because when a person thinks of your name, they immediately draw a picture of your face before they think of anything else about you. When you present yourself, people know who you are immediately by looking at your face. This is the most fundamental way by which human beings identify and know one another and this is how Allah intended it to be.

    The face shows an infinite number of human emotions, we communicate using our facial expressions too when having a discussion. We eat using our mouth, we speak using our mouth, and we breathe using our nose and mouth which is on our face. We see using our eyes which is again on our face. These vital functions of the body are placed on the face for a very important reason. The reason is that all these features are required to be in a place where it can be seen and be unobstructed. Other areas of the body may need to be covered, but concentrating the vital features that require them to be left uncovered is miraculously placed on the human head.

    For example, we need to eat without any obstruction in front of our mouth. Or our facial expressions need to be seen when we communicate with others. This is a miracle that the functions of the body which require to be left uncovered have been strategically placed on the human head. By keeping ones face in its intended natural uncovered state, several purposes are served in one go. All this leads us to conclude that the human face is designed to be left without being covered or concealed. What one should realise is that what has been stated so far holds true for men as well as women by the fullest degree.

    Let us assume the vital human face has been covered by piece of cloth, then it is impossible to eat through the obstruction, speech sounds less clear under the cloth, the essential facial expressions are lost when communicating, breathing becomes difficult due to build up of vapour and heat etc. It is clearly a nuisance and against how Allah clearly intended the face to be.

    Because of the vital role of the human face, Niqab propagated by Ulamas is a direct degredation of women. To serve the interest of men, which is their own gender, they observe no limits in ordering what women should conceal and have even stooped to eliminate the very face of women which Allah INTENTFULLY designed to be left uncovered at all times, just like the male counterpart.

    According to many Ulamas, the women?s eyes too have to be covered and they have declared it ?awrah?, as ridiculous as this may sound. In this case, vision the most important human sense, becomes dangerously poor. In short, these Niqaab innovating Ulamas attempt to eliminate women?s very existence in favouring their own apparently super-sexual energy given by God.

    It is obvious that the face has been designed by Allah to be kept unobstructed (no Niqaab) at all times. This is because all of the functions of the human face stated above are in constant use through out the day wherever she may be (breathing, talking, facial expression, eating, drinking etc.) Your face identifies who you are. Covering the face of women is against the natural way of existing as human beings because as proven above, women's face which is a human?s face is DESIGNED BY ALLAH to be left without being concealed by an obstruction.

    Many Muslim women have been brainwashed by Ulamas into believing that covering the face is ordained by their Creator. The proponents of the Niqab vehemently uphold that the Niqab is there to uphold and protect women's dignity and therefore it dignifies a woman. This is a flawed definition of being dignified. Dignified by covering ones face? Where is this definition of dignity coming from we should ask? Why is letting such a natural part of the human body (face) be seen, made to be like showing the most private parts of the human body? Because for many Ulamas, face is "awrah" like the most private parts of women's body as unbelievable as this sounds.

    The face does not serve its purpose in design if it is concealed. Facial expressions of emotions, as well as speaking, breathing, seeing are all on the human face. Let us have a look at facial expressions for example. When a person speaks, it is not just the mouth that talks. The whole face is a magnificent communications medium. All sorts of emotions and feelings are powerfully communicated via the human face. It has been designed by our Creator, with muscles all at the right places to fulfil this function in both men and women - a powerful means to compliment and assist our verbal communication. Without it, a great asset of communication is lost.

    The person that we are is primarily identified by our face. When you think of someone you know, you remember their face first and foremost. Right now, take a moment to think of a friend, family member or a relative you know. You immediately thought of their face. If that face was eliminated, you would find it hard to relate an existence of a being to a human, would you not? Eliminating the face means essentially eliminating the individual female from society. The face, the most fundamental ways human beings were designed to know one another. And in fact, this is what these Ulamas been trying to do, eliminate the face of women from society so that women's very existence is undermined. And what existence they do have under the Niqab is reduced to a mere sexual one.

    In short, these Niqaab innovating Ulamas attempt to eliminate the very existence of women by destroying their faces in favour of their own apparently super-sexual energy given by Allah. They obliterate the following aspects of believing women

    ? Degrade vision to a dangerously low level?colour cannot be seen or appreciated and the world becomes a dark and morbid place. All tasks become difficult to do and even dangerous.
    ? Food or drink cannot be consumed as food or water will not go through a fabric! (Unless the wearer finds a way around the obstacle).
    ? Breathing is difficult with heat and water vapour from breathing building up under the cloth which cannot diffuse naturally into the surrounding atmosphere, as intended by Allah when He placed the mouth and nose there.
    ? Obliteration of the identity of the individual. Human beings will no longer identify her by the most fundamental way Allah intended people to identify one another, which is by means of the face.
    ? Language of facial expression is eliminated and communication with words is no longer supplemented with essential facial expressions. The human face has many muscles designed to show human emotions and expressions when communicating ideas and feelings.
    ? Speech requires an unobstructed medium to travel in, sound waves is attenuated by fabric. Allah placed the mouth and voice box there so the sound generated will not be obstructed by anything.
    ? The nose has been strategically placed on the human face among all the other functions that need to be unobstructed so that it too can perform its function with ease, which is to perceive the sense of smell. The fragrance of a beautiful flower is difficult to smell through an obstruction.

    These ulamas have attempted to destroy these God given attributes of women. They have reduced women's face, a great asset of any women or any human being rather, to some sort of a sexual thing, a cause for arousal in men, and so it has to be concealed for men's interest and protection. Men who are apparently some sort of super sexually charged beings. This wrong perception of women (seeing them as symbols of sexuality) brings many negative behavioural problems rampant in the Muslim community. For example, the unwillingness to cooperate with members of the opposite sex, or work together in a team of men and women, or generally restricting women's presence in the public sphere (for example, Saudi driving ban on women, or Mosques not facilitating women). It also leads to segregation of men and women, and ultimately divides the believers into two groups, 'men' and 'women', as has been done today.

    Though many Muslims say the west has made women "a symbol of sexuality", which I agree that it has been done, Muslims have also fallen into this error of viewing women as "a symbol of sexuality", but responding completely in the opposite extreme so that women have to be covered to an unrecognisable state, as Unidentifiable Moving Objects. So both these sides reduce women to objects of sexuality. Ironically, both of these sides believe they are diginifying or liberating women.

    There is a middle path that takes neither of these extremes. In this path, we see one another primarily as fellow human beings, or even better as fellow Believers when together among fellow Muslims. On this path, men and women dress modestly and interact modestly. They do not view one another as sexual objects to want them to become clotheless or dress up to the point of being unidentifiable (the two extremes), balanced moderate dressing is what they promote.

    If you are a Muslim woman, Allah created your face so that it can be seen and should be seen, so that you can function normally with your face visible in society. Allah's design is flawless His resulting creation is such that you do not have to go through the burden of constantly keeping your face covered, as if it is incapable of functioning normally and naturally, which is that it be visible. If it cannot function this way (be visible), your face is made to become a flawed creation, as it becomes incapable of taking its normal functionality which the male counterpart can.

    One of the most sickening aspects of these men who invent laws demanding women should become walking shadows and get rid their faces from public presence, is that they think they have basis from the Glorious Qur'an. Or they think they can deceive the mass into believing their lies are from the Qur'an. These lies about the Qur'an stay alive by propagating ideas about obedience to scholars, to not try to understand the Qur'an yourself, and making the Qur'an seem like a cryptic Book only a scholar can understand, and the ignorance of the Qur'an among Muslims resulting from this.

    Many Muslims take recourse to the word "west" to find justification for their unjustifiable views on the alleged virtues of covering women's face. Trying to justify one extreme (where you conceal everything of the women), with another extreme (where women are not dressed at all), is only a trickery used by those who do not comprehend the balanced way of dressing and being modest which Allah wants us to have in the Qur'an. Unfortunately, using the term "west" to justify all extremes is all too common among these Muslims.

    There are those with ?mild? views who insist that covering face is ?optional? but acknowledge it being ?better? and sign of more ?taqwa?. This is a very flawed understanding, since as we have proven Allah designed the human face of women so that it can be left uncovered. Women who insist on such ideas while they themselves do not cover their faces expose hypocrisy in that they do not cover their faces and are satisfied not doing so while with their own tongues ?admit? it is better to cover their faces. The essence of the matter is if something is ?better? in the sight of Allah, all believers must strive to do it. Accepting second best is unacceptable for the true believers. Therefore, covering the face must not be said to be virtuous by any extent. A Muslim woman can achieve the supreme morality encouraged in the Qur?an by never covering her face, but by seeking the correct ways described in the Qur?an, in acquiring Allah?s good pleasure.

    The reason why a woman can achieve the supreme morality is because Allah never required her to cover her face. Doing so can be compared to the likeness of a woman who carries a 10kg sack of rice on her back all day long, thinking Allah will reward her for it. She burdened herself for no real reason where there was no requirement from Allah to carry this sack of rice.

    There is modesty, and then there is immodesty. You can be modest dressing modestly. The modest dress is practical and does not conceal women to the level to which they are unidentifiable, does not make living in society impracticable or difficult for them and difficult for others to interact with them. This modest way of dressing allows women to achieve their God-given potential to the full by developing and utilising their intellects and skills fully, wherever it may lie.

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      You know, you can express that in some 3 sentences...

      Personally I think it's a person placing the ulema over God and hence a form of shirk, denying themselves what god made lawful in exhange for a bad thing.

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        I do believe in freedom of expression but I also think that women who believe that ninja outfit liberates them have serious issues. It is just the extreme opposite.

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          I do believe in freedom of expression but I also think that women who believe that ninja outfit liberates them have serious issues. It is just the extreme opposite.

          I agree with you 100%.

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            This really gets the Sunni sites, when you go there and demand that they
            show you in the Quran where it says to cover the head or face..

            Cause it simply isn't there...

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              I do believe in freedom of expression but I also think that women who believe that ninja outfit liberates them have serious issues. It is just the extreme opposite.

              Because it's all about conditioning. They have been conditioned, generations after generations, to like the hijab etc... Remember the brain believes whatever you want it to believe. That's why salat is so important, so we are conditioned in a positive manner.

              At the same time, I am married to a Caucasian, and she loves the hijab (but not any of the head to toe crap). It helps her feel modest etc... Personally, I don't like the hijab. I think it's demeaning, but it's her choice.
              Funny, she was called a 'terrorist' in Wal-mart by some old lady and she still wears it.

              There's nothing wrong in covering the head. There's something very wrong in saying that The God ordered it.

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                peace all,

                Some women find the headscarf / face veil (niqab) / burqa (full veil) liberating and I can see why (not saying I agree, just saying I can understand why some do). So to imply that there is something wrong with these women because they find it liberating does not give an honest picture in my opinion.

                Also, from my experience of the forum, there seems to be a prevalent myth that the head cover is not in AQ. That is not entirely accurate. It would be more correct to say that there is no 100% clear commandment that women must wear the head cover, but a reasonable case can be made for it using AQ
                http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/khimar.htm

                Please note reasonable does not equate to solid/proven/etc.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  peace all,

                  Some women find the headscarf / face veil (niqab) / burqa (full veil) liberating and I can see why (not saying I agree, just saying I can understand why some do). So to imply that there is something wrong with these women because they find it liberating does not give an honest picture in my opinion.

                  Also, from my experience of the forum, there seems to be a prevalent myth that the head cover is not in AQ. That is not entirely accurate. It would be more correct to say that there is no 100% clear commandment that women must wear the head cover, but a reasonable case can be made for it using AQ
                  http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/khimar.htm

                  Please note reasonable does not equate to solid/proven/etc.

                  Peace,

                  The topic reminds me the exegesis on Q2431 (walyadribna bikhumurihinna AAala juyoobihinna) penned by Christopher Luxenberg.

                  Anyway, from the context of the verse, the focus lies on the covering of the zeenatahunna/decoration/beauty. And the defination of the zeenatahunna is well explained towards the end of the verse

                  wala yadribna bi-arjulihinna liyuAAlama ma yukhfeena min zeenatihinna
                  and they (F) do not set apart with their (F) legs to be known what they (F) hide from their decoration/beauty

                  By looking at the context of the verse, clearly zeenatahunna here refers to furoojahunna/genital parts between their legs.

                  So, there's no head covering.

                  Peace.

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                    sahaba
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                    Some one said the following on another forum

                    If you had read the research thoroughly, you would have seen that the term Jilbaab was linguistically used by the earliest disciples of the Prophet Muhammad ('alayhis salaam) to denote a garment larger than the khimaar that covered the face. This was the view of the greatest mufassir and companion Abdullah Ibn 'Abbas, 'Abidah As-Salmaani - the avid student of Imam 'Ali ibn Abi Taalib, as well as many others. Simply read the tafsir presented within the links given by bluey.

                    Fact You can not disprove that the term Jilbab, in the tongue of the 'arabs, was a garment that covered the face.

                    Fact You can not disprove that the Sahabiyyat, from Asmaa, 'Aa'ishah, etc etc covered their faces in front of the ajnabi man.

                    Do we say NIQAAB is fardh? Absolutely not! We say that niqaab is simply a means of attaining Jilbaab. Jilbaab is the garment that covers the entire body in the original and pure language of the 'arabs, as professed by Ibn 'Abbas and other companions and taabi'in.

                    Disagree as you will, but the facts stand.

                    Jazaakum Allahu Khairan

                    Can some one proficient in the classical arabic language, comment on this please? Thoughts from Sr. Samia would be appreciated.

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                      Which forum is that from?

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                        Peace,

                        Some women find the headscarf / face veil (niqab) / burqa (full veil) liberating and I can see why (not saying I agree, just saying I can understand why some do). So to imply that there is something wrong with these women because they find it liberating does not give an honest picture in my opinion.
                        Also, from my experience of the forum, there seems to be a prevalent myth that the head cover is not in AQ. That is not entirely accurate. It would be more correct to say that there is no 100% clear commandment that women must wear the head cover, but a reasonable case can be made for it using AQ
                        http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/khimar.htm
                        Please note reasonable does not equate to solid/proven/etc.

                        Very glad to hear a voice of reason on this thread! Well said..

                        peace

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                          peace all,

                          Phil Firstly, "min" is a partitive. Secondly, I do not understand how your "point" relates to the article link I referenced.

                          Ace of Hearts I strongly recommend the following article http//www.islamstudie.dk/familie_koen.shehzada.htm

                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                            jankren
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                            At the same time, I am married to a Caucasian, and she loves the hijab (but not any of the head to toe crap). It helps her feel modest etc... Personally, I don't like the hijab. I think it's demeaning, but it's her choice.
                            Funny, she was called a 'terrorist' in Wal-mart by some old lady and she still wears it.

                            I like the jilbab/head cover too because I think women look nice in it but Im only against 'ninja outfit'.

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                              SwedenMajidah
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                              Peace,

                              Well, there are a lot to comment about the hijjab but I resist this time.

                              Notes I have both wear the hijjab many years and then lay it off.

                              But worth to mention and often forgotten is that the best garment is the garment of righteousness.

                              Maria

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                                sahaba
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                                Which forum is that from?

                                Islamicaweb

                                The thread is located here

                                http//www.islamicaweb.com/forums/religion-spirituality/2674-face-cover-gods-only-flaw.html

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                                  Wadaraba Allahu mathalan lillatheena amanoo imraata firAAawna ith qalat rabbi ibni lee AAindaka baytan fee aljannati wanajjinee min firAAawna waAAamalihi wanajjinee mina alqawmi alththalimeena

                                  6611 And Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe the wife of Pharaoh Behold she said "O my Lord! Build for me, in nearness to Thee, a mansion in the Garden, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings, and save me from those that do wrong";

                                  There?s that DA-RA-BA word once again and below perhaps the nice lady?s dress code...

                                  http//www.tiferet.co.il/ladies.jpg

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                                    I don't get it, is the picture showing the lady making the plea to Allah, or those that do wrong that she is asking not to be like? o hmm

                                    Wadaraba Allahu mathalan lillatheena amanoo imraata firAAawna ith qalat rabbi ibni lee AAindaka baytan fee aljannati wanajjinee min firAAawna waAAamalihi wanajjinee mina alqawmi alththalimeena

                                    6611 And Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe the wife of Pharaoh Behold she said "O my Lord! Build for me, in nearness to Thee, a mansion in the Garden, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings, and save me from those that do wrong";

                                    There?s that DA-RA-BA word once again and below perhaps the nice lady?s dress code...

                                    http//www.tiferet.co.il/ladies.jpg

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                                      I do believe in freedom of expression but I also think that women who believe that ninja outfit liberates them have serious issues. It is just the extreme opposite.

                                      I like wearing the headscarf since I converted.. maybe I just enjoy dressing up. Dressing ninjah in the West is a big no no for me - it doesn't liberate you here it gets in the way - people don't bother you here in the street. Ironically I've found in muslim countries (even Egypt) its almost essential if you want to be left alone by the local men...

                                      My ex husband decided that I should start believing in Niqab (not to wear it just believe I was sinning for not wearing it) his justification for niqab was the 'khimar' verse. He said when Allah says in Quran for women to draw their cloaks around their chests it means to draw them over the head to cover everything showing only the eyes (to see out of) and now with modern fabrics the eyes don't even have to be seen whatever crazy or what?... sheesh

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                                        I don't get it, is the picture showing the lady making the plea to Allah, or those that do wrong that she is asking not to be like? o hmm

                                        Neither ? the picture is only an example of ancient Egyptian women?s dress style.

                                        Do you perceive anything wrong with it?

                                        Or should they have adopted the style of Arabian women a few thousand years later?

                                        http//www.arab2.com/arab-traditional-dress/images/saudi-palestine.gif

                                        Above was the style in the Middle East to protect against sand winds and women wore head coverings which they pulled the ends back behind the neck to expose dresses styled with plunging necklines and verses advised instead to pull the ends forward and cover their cleavage area and to wear outer clothes over thin house garments when going outside so they won?t be bothered by those behaving like today's construction workers.

                                        A comment from one of the girls in my family about a fashion show she modeled in with her sister who designed the dresses?

                                        ?These so called true followers bomb mosques with women and children. Oh yes they are definitely going to heaven meanwhile if I wear a pretty summer dress, I?m going to HELL??

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                                          stooped to eliminate the very face of women which Allah INTENTFULLY designed to be left uncovered at all times, just like the male counterpart.

                                          uncovered at all times?

                                          that's a little much, seeing as if god had intended us to never cover our faces he would never have created the canadian winter P

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