Article on Angels
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Salaam Someone,
Peace mmkhan,
Anyone of us can be considered as an "Adam", especially considering the development of our intelectual abilities from complete ignorance and a state of hapiness when children in this big garden Earth, then we accumulate knowledge about our environment for sometime, then we face tests during our adult life... In many ways, we are similar to Adam.
Peace
Can you please quote me some of the aayaats from which you extract the meaning of Adam?
"this big garden Earth" it is called "Duniya" a derivative of "Adna" in Arabic.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
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peace mmkhan,
And where did you get the idea of Adam being humans from? Adam is singular not plural.
What do you make of
And We created you (plural), then We shaped you (plural), then We said to the Angels "Submit to Adam;" so they submitted except for Iblees, he was not of those who submitted.
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Peace
I have few doubts on using 711 to cite Adam being plural.
In 711 ?Thumma? can be ?then? as well as ?and? so the creating, fashioning and prostrating to Adam does not have to be in a sequence to mean that it was to Adam that the early part of the verse is referring to. Also, does khalaqnakum (creation) and sawwarnakum ( fashioning) have to be two independent actions from each other or these actions can be related and simultaneous ?
Moreover, in the next verse 712 Adam is referred to in singular (him) twice.
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peace warner,
I dont mind your hypothesis, but as I requested Mazhar in a previous thread, what is the evidence for it. Ideally, several, or at least one, Quranic reference where a seemingly sequential verse is not so.
Also, in my view, I have no problem with "adam" being addressed in the singular and the plural, as he is both individual and collective simultaneously, as I have discussed previously.
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Salaam Wakas,
peace mmkhan,
What do you make of
And We created you (plural), then We shaped you (plural), then We said to the Angels "Submit to Adam;" so they submitted except for Iblees, he was not of those who submitted.
To me 711 is addressing to us all initially then referring to Adam as singular. You can also look at 7172 and 237-38.
7172
237
238Hope this helps inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
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Salaam Wakas,
To me 711 is addressing to us all initially then referring to Adam as singular. You can also look at 7172 and 237-38.
7172
237
238Hope this helps inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
Mohammed M. KhanHello my friend
There is nothing that say Adam is not equal man in the quran
Adam is a word that translated in the 19th century in my coutry to HOMO
Adam isn't a name of a single person, but a name of a kind ( us ) modern name HuMan, in the quran, we're still caled adam, and our parents, direct parents are called adam, ya bani Adam , meaning oh Son of Man.the story of the earliest adam is the same that is repeating today to you and to me and to everybody, we don't realise because we don't understand the quran
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peace warner,
Nowhere did I agree that. I am not saying 711 by itself is 100% proof of the viewpoint I highlighted. I think it is significant and asked for your explanation of it, to which you responded by saying "thumma" can also mean "and". Fair enough. It does not seem to read like that, but it is possible.From PRL
thumma - then, afterwards, moreover, mostly used as a conjunction indicating a sequence in line or order to be rendered as then/thereafter, also used as a more simple conjunction - and.For me, there does seem to be an interplay between the individual and collective, due to the story of adam being an allegory/parable.
Also see 20123
He said "Descend from this, all, some of you (plural) are to others enemy. So, when My guidance comes to you (plural), then, whoever follows (singular) My guidance, he (singular) will not go astray nor suffer."Also see part 10 of this book
http//www.scribd.com/doc/37354743/Understanding-Quran-Themes-and-Style-by-Abdel-Haleem -
Peace Wakas
Please direct me to any discussion on support of allegorical nature of the story of adam.
In my opinion 20123 may refer to
- Adam and his partner, satan and his group (the jinns, since he was one of those)
or - The symbolic reference to paradise lost for all mankind, due to the actions of their first father and mother ( again, single father, adam)
Both cases above can justify the use of plurals in 20123.
Also if mazhar is correct on the use of the pronoun for dual the argument is stronger.
- Adam and his partner, satan and his group (the jinns, since he was one of those)
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peace,
I already linked you to a book that dedicates a part to this topic. You can opt to read it or not.
Yes it is dual for that verb, but the rest Mazhar did not comment on. See corpus.quran.com for the grammar.
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Yes it is dual for that verb, but the rest Mazhar did not comment on. See corpus.quran.com for the grammar. Wakas
Word by word Analysis of 20123
Word by word Analysis of 236
Difference between imperative command, and a general pronouncement giving information applicable to all in future needs to be noted.
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Salaam bro,
It does not mean that what ever others believe is wrong in total and we have to create a new meaning for each and every word and change all the stories.
I translated 'Malak' as 'King' already in another thread which is very close the above translation, please take a look http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602167.msg277408#msg277408
Now you have to show me how did you extract those meanings? The meaning of 'Malak' that you made above is something similar that I believe is the meaning of wahi.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. KhanSalam brother
would you be able to help me with this
What is the meaning WaL Malaaikathu
and Wa Malaaikati -
Peace Wakas
I read the book "Understanding the Quran" but did not find any thing to support the allegorical nature of Adam.
According to the book, the story of Adam, creation , falling in to error and expulsion from the garden, all seem
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peace warner,
That book shows that the biblical account treats the story of adam as a historical account, i.e. it literally happened, whilst The Quran does not treat it in such a manner. If it is not a historical account, then what is it?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory
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Thanks Mazhar for the links. Although the grammatical analysis is excellent here it would be more user friendly if each
cell with the Arabic word contains the English translation as well.Allah, the Exalted, willing, I will put each single word on a different page, giving its meanings and perception and the added connotation by additional consonants and placing of vowels, linking it with the main Root article, and including therein complete text of all the Aayaat where it ocurs to show the effect, it accepts, of the semantic field where it is put. I intend to do it after completing grammatical analysis of structuring of sentences since it is also helping construct the Lexicon and concordance side by side with full grammatical explanation.
