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  • Marriage verses in Qur'an
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    Peace/salaam

    Just to get back to the original topic my advice would be to try not to make things too complicated for yourself. If someone claims to believe in one God (like the majority of Muslims, Christians and Jews) them who are we to say they are idolators. That's God's judgement based upon what's in their hearts and what their circumstances, understanding is. A kafir is someone who rejects and who covers up the truth. I wouldn't say that the majority of Christians and Jews today fall under the category of kafirs referred to in the Qur'an considering that they have been fed such a distorted image of what islam and the Qur'an is.

    I guess the question goes back to... who really is a believer?

    "And they say never will one enter the garden except he be a Jew or a Christian. That is their wishful thinking. Say 'Bring your proof of you are truthful.',
    "Yes, whosoever turns his face towards God and is a doer of good, for him is his reward with his Lord and no fear shall be upon them nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2111-112).

    So if someone submits their face towards God and does good, you have your suitable candidate.

    General Issues / Questions

  • Peace
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    Salaam welcome

    Introduce Yourself

  • Quranic Studies
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    Salaam Aliekum

    I was wondering how many people within this online community have engaged with the eclectic field of Quranic Studies in Arabic? namely the works of Dr Mahmoud Shahrur, Dr Ahmed Subhy Mansour and Hassan Ibn Farhan Al Maliky?

    Or even the academic researcher Dr Angelika Neurwirth ?

    What are you initial thoughts on the aforementioned authors and their viewpoints/ methodology?

    Salaam alaikum

    I have seen some of Angelika Neuwirth's talks on "the Qur'an in late antiquity". Its definitely interesting hearing her perspective on the Qur'an and it's development in the context of late antiquity.

    Hasan ibn Farhan Al Maliki is someone I enjoy listening to. It's a shame not many of his videos have been translated into English. I think he's currently in prison in Saudi. I have not engaged much with any of his written works however. From what I've heard of his few talks I like his approach to the islam of the Qur'an and also the way he speaks out against the hadith traditions. It highlights how the common themes of the Qur'an have been missed such as justice and sincerity, righteousness etc and that the Islam we have today is a ritualistic fallacy.

    I've not come across any of the others

    Introduce Yourself

  • New here ✋
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    Salaam

    Welcome Sarah

    Introduce Yourself

  • Petra is the Holy City of Islam
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    Interesting... why did the inhabitants abandoned the city in 663?
    And which Arabs? Given the Nabateans are Arabs themselves.. at least that's how the Roman calls them..

    I don't think it was a sudden abandonment but rather a gradual decline after earthquakes in 363 and then 551 crippled the city.

    Interestingly Dan Gibson in this interview talks about how he first came across the Petra theory when someone from the Muslim "free thinkers" website contacted him. So I think it was actually free-minds that spawned the theory p

    https//youtu.be/7M9g7HHjRRA

    To be honest I'm not sure of how important the discussion as to the "holy city of Islam" is; guess it would depend upon ones own reading of the Qur'an and understanding of concepts such as Hajj and masjid Al haram.

    But it's an interesting hypothesis and Petra truly is a fascinating place. Im not sure if I'm convinced of the Petra theory and I'm not sure we'll ever know the truth to be honest.

    Archeology & History

  • Salaam again
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    Salaam all

    Peace Incognito.
    Welcome back.
    Which part of Manchester are you from?
    I lived in Tameside most of my life( Audenshaw,Denton and Ashton-Under-Lyne). Now since my retirement about 2 years ago I moved to the Stockport area.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

    Ah that's good to hear actually. It's nice to know there's someone nearby. I'm from the south Manchester area, near withington. You're not too far actually .

    Salam/Peace dear brother/sister. I think i have seen you before in this forum but nevertheless, welcome back. welcome welcome welcome

    Thanks, and it's brother

    Salam alaikum and Peace to all.

    Wa alaikum salaam

    Introduce Yourself

  • The problem with Islam
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    Salaam to all

    Hey LoteTree,

    I haven't given up, its just that this thread was getting no where. People were just starting to get frustrated with each other and in the end I just had verses and articles presented to me which I have seen countless times. While I believe in the supreme authority of the Quran, it doesn't completly answer all questions I have regarding what happened after Muhammad and the significance of the Kaba. It seems to be an issue of interpretation both on the Sunnis part and on "our" part. I think it is important to look back into history to give us a better picture of what happened. History always seems to be a victim to the religous right as it is always ignored and viewed as insignificant.

    Either way, I will continue my search and probably some new threads or posts in the Hajj section of the forum later.

    Peace.

    3534 And what We inspired to you from the Scripture, it is the truth, authenticating what is present. God is Expert of His servants, Seer.
    3533 Then We inherited the Scripture to those whom We selected from Our servants. Subsequently, some of them wronged their souls, and others upheld it partly, while others were eager to work righteousness in accordance with God's will; this is the greatest triumph.

    Please correct if I am wrong here, but I do believe that the above verse is in reference to Muhammad's followers (his family, friends, companions) and hence the Quran confirms that there was divisions amongst them regarding the Scripture.

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  • Salaam again
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    Salaam / peace to all

    Hope all are well.

    It has been some time since I last ventured on here so I thought I would introduce myself; plus my beliefs seemed to have fluctuated over the years so I thought it'd be a good idea to pop by for some healthy discussion and for some food for thought.

    I live in Manchester in the northwest of England and in terms of my beliefs I would describe myself as a muslim first and foremost; I was raised in a fairly liberal non-traditional sunni household and out of my family I'm probably one of the only few that has an interest in deen/ religion/ God. I came to the Quran probably by chance in my late teens and over the years have flitted in and out with it; I remember when I first read it, I knew without a doubt that this was from God. I later came across this website and even though it was an eye opener for me, a lot of what I read on here rung true for me. It always seemed to me that the Qur'an was the sole source of guidance and that the sunnah seemed unnecessary and incongruous to the message of the Qur'an.

    I think what I found lacking with this forum in the first place (and it'd be nice to hear if it's changed) was the lack of any unity or communal aspect to it. Surprising as it is as the Qur'an is very much a book addressing a community and brotherhood/ sisterhood/ ummah is one thing that attracted me to Islam.

    My beliefs have varied over the years since I last came here, in an attempt to find that brotherhood (even being influenced by salafi sectarianism to some extent) however there were certain things that never sat right with me with traditional / orthodox islam. Having been exposed to the Qur'an myself (rather than through the influence of family) I had very little preconceived ideas and traditions and so could tell that the message within those pages was very different to the message of the books of hadith and the supposed sunnah.

    However one thing I've learnt I guess as I've matured is that there can be unity even if we do differ on certain things (such as salat, hajj etc). I guess the essential same belief is still there; that there is no god except God.

    Although I still describe myself as a muslim, I would essentially say that my current understanding is that the Qur'an was revealed to an original group of people who referred to themselves as believers (mu'minoon) not as "Muslims" and that the islam found in the Qur'an isn't really a religion per se (as opposed to "Islam" found within the hadith books). Rather islam means (as I'm sure we're all aware) submission and that muslim refers to those who submit themselves and isn't just a label. This kind of fits with the archeological evidence as well as what the Qur'an mentions; again and again God addresses the audience as "Those who believe (ya ayyu allatheena amaanu)" rather than those who submit.

    lol maybe I'm rambling on... but I feel that life is a journey and that we are all trying to find our way (well I am anyway ;D) ; I much prefer learning about the Qur'an myself and communicating with God directly rather than feeling that I have to follow the crowd and adhere to the practices of 7th/8th/9th century Arabs / Persians that don't sit quite right with me. God told us to reason and use our intellect and faculties; they were given to us for a reason, not so that we could disregard them and follow the words of the priests, rabbis and sheikhs.

    Anyway, it's good to see that this place is still up and nice to see that a few of the old regulars are still about (not sure if anyone would remember me; I wasn't that active back in the day either). Perhaps it'd be good if we could arrange some local meet-ups to encourage like minded discussion (of course distance permitted).

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  • Noah's age
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    Salaam,

    29.14 And We had sent Noah to his people, so he stayed with them one thousand years less fifty calendar years. Then the flood took them while they were wicked.

    Does this mean that Noah lived for roughly 950 years? ? ?

    Peace

    Archeology & History

  • Intro to God
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    Salaam,

    Does anyone here think that introducing children to God through their own religion is better than letting their kids make up their own minds?

    I'm not a father myself, but I believe that giving kids a basic idea of God and religion (not just my own) is probably better than just leaving them. Of course I wouldn't want to impose my beliefs upon them but would try to give them an awareness of it. If we left our kids to their own devices isn't there the chance they will choose the wrong path? ? What do you guys think?

    Peace

    Parenting & Children

  • Male and female conduct outside of marriage
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    Salaam,

    I was just wondering whether or not anyone had any ideas as to how men and women are to behave towards each other outside of marriage, according to the Quranic basis.

    Would male and female friendship be allowed? One peice of evidence to support this is the story from the Quran of Soloman and the Queen of Sheba.

    As per Quranic principles, in a Quran-only state, male and female people would be equal and so I think under the Quran, contrary to common sunni thinking, free mixing would be allowed to an extent, . The main reason hadiths advocate segregation is to mainly keep women out of public society; we know this is wrong according to the Quran but does God advice us on the matter further?

    Peace

    General Issues / Questions
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