Salam to all

An-Naml 2716

وَوَرِثَ سُلَيْمَٰنُ دَاوُۥدَۖ وَقَالَ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ عُلِّمْنَا مَنطِقَ ٱلطَّيْرِ وَأُوتِينَا مِن كُلِّ شَىْءٍۖ إِنَّ هَٰذَا لَهُوَ ٱلْفَضْلُ ٱلْمُبِينُ

And Solomon inherited David. He said, "O people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from all things. Indeed, this is evident bounty."

So to you ant is not ant bird is bird right?

So tell us what are they please.

What is your interpretation of these verses

God bless all

Brother read interpretation of dr shabbir ahmad ,muhammad ali,ghulam ahmed parwiz

The first is available in quranix.org

For the 2nd and 3rd search the net, i am busy otherwise i would send it here for you

Peace Mahdi20.

Look back at your posts, no evidence ,just your own argument in your own words

nope pr

Havent i telled you to go read any reliable book about physiology? yay rotfl

Its is not logical to teach chapters of a book here, is it? peace nope

Peace good logic,

U said it is produced through a combination of the heart , brain,, seeing hearing, doing ...etc

How do you see? How do you hear? How you smell? How do you love? How do you fear? Where is the center of emotions? Why heart damage doesnt change your emotions? Why limbic system damage destroy your emotions? Does mental illness treatment include working on brain or heart? How does anti depression drugs work?Why people get depression? How do you do your acts? How do you solve math problems? What is the mechanism of ECT?
Why some people are in coma? Why some are in vegetative state?

Brother do you know why some people here say that its a metaphor or it has another meaning ? Because they have basic knowledge about our body.

Brother you and everybody that says heart thinks have 6 ways

1-Go read funny articles from unreliable sources
2-Go read reliable sources
3-Go to a Hospital and see people with brain/heart damage
4-Go to university
5-Ask a Professor
6-Think by the way you like

God bless you

Peace jkhan

U said You don't read anything well and relatively failed to grasp what I have written... Don't rush to answer by just browsing...
Now I think you are surely a typical Iranian who s eccentric.. I have met many Iranians who thinks they are Americans byvjnowlwdge and look.. That's why most of them are eccentric..

nope Racist rotfl , be careful bro, satan was a racist too rotfl nope pr

U said Why... 10000 animals voice Sulaiman hearing 24/7 rotfl rotfl
I do hear 1000s of people talking every day.. But I can't even remember what they even conversed.. Sulaiman was not living in the valley of ants.. He was a king.. How fallacy your basic logic is..

Do you know how many insects are around you? rotfl

U said Again I reiterate.. God spoke the truth.. He has clearly written in wonderful Arabic that human reflect with Heart.. That us to say organ heart.. No one can deny it with any logic. If anyone tries he is trying to go in line with science... That's so manifest...

I said it so many times, if any book really say this, it just shows that the author was a creation with limited knowledge of his times

U said Where in the world it is finalized that hearts only function is pumping blood.. Bring proofs..
Science is ever evolving on many things.. Human body is one of those.. Human bodies functions and reactions etc etc is not finalized.. Still going on..
You ate just a medical student as per you.. Don't try to be over smart like someone on his last moments of experiment yo claim science has confirmed..

Yes i am a student , so go ask a professor rotfl

U said Even great Aristotle said heart is pivotal and brain act as secondary...

rotfl rotfl Brother, if u said a sentence like this at the beggining, i wouldnt waste my time by talking with you.

I hope that your Brains rotfl are in good health

Peace good logic, no, now we doesnt know how atoms were created first,but may we will in future, as science develop( i hope that you doesnt compare this with thinking of heart yay at finding this is not the job of biology/medicine

Peace centi50, thanks for entering the discussion

U said My brothers, what if later they come discover that both the heart and brain thinks.

I believe maybe we haven't reached yet this discovery

Answered this so many times in this topic

U said An-Naml 2718

حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ

Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

Just recently did the scientists discover this phenomenon.

https//www.science.org/content/article/shhh-ants-are-talking

I havent read your article , but yes, animals communicate/talk with each other in various types.

Also in this verse naml isnt ant, if solomon would be able to hear animals and etc, he would get serious mentall diseases and he would die(imagine hearing 100000 animals voice 24hrs , all day)

Peace jkhan

U said Don't give examples which has no sense.. We have a concerned organ and named organ in Quran that is heart.. That's why we raise questions.. Not the fingers.. How nonsensical to point out fingers here as example.. Totally irrelevant.. We didn't pick at random an organ and claiming it has certain features and functions.. We directly refer what Quran says..

I was just trying to sense if thinking by fingers is funny and false in common view, thinking with heart is also funny for a person with basic knowledge of heart and brain Anatomy and Physiology

U said Science is ever evolving.. They never make their final decison.. They keep researching.. That's why I never compare quran with science.. It is a personal choice.. Accepting God in life is personal choice and thus believing in Quran augments it.. This belief cannot go further if you drag science with you..

peace peace Answered this so many times, brother, if Iron is metal and isnt nonmetal, you wont say may science evolve and maybe Fe is non metal, will you?

U said One day in my office what human created made our life much comfortable than what God created.. Without human's creations and technology science life would be so hard.. That looks true if you look at in an angle....
Science and belief won't go side by side..
Coz this faith in God is unseen.. Believing in an unseen can never go in line with science..

rotfl Think well and you will not put those things in 2 different group(human creation and God creation) , God created creations(humans) and this creations created those creations(which you call human creations) but those are from God, A created B, if there wasnt A then there wouldnt B

U saidOne would respond to God's challenge.. Can they even create a fly?.. But human has created much better than flies and useful.. Robotic birds and animals are so cute.. So if one want to compare they would say humam also can create..
Science is human's discovery.. Great invention.. Don't underestimate them.. But never compare Gods hidden truth with it.. Coz science will overtake your belief.. That sucks I'm the end..

Those mechanical birds are cute, but a creating a bee is so much harder than those mechanical birds. Also these mechanical birds wouldnt be here if God didnt created atoms and etc peace

science isnt in battle with God, idk why you think like this(or it is the view that i get from your comments and may i am wrong) if you see so many people of knowledge are atheist and etc, its just the persons mistake.

You also didnt mentioned why u think that we have 2 to 4 brains.

U said Even you or anyone takes the qalb as intellect, it won't work out.. Then where does the intellect originate? Is it from Heart OR brain..?

I agree with you in this case, God bless all of you

Peace brother hawk, there isnt any sign to take this as metaphor

Peace brother emre, so you say ناصیه in quran is actual forehead or frontal lobe? Then as i said its false, cuz every دابه has not ناصیه (if ناصیه is literally, and not symbolic/experssion)

Peace brother tellmethereuth, thanks for entering the discusuuon, what is the sadr(صدر)meaning in your opinion?

Peace brother good logic, i dont understand how the verse you have sent is in opposite to science?

كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتًا فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ۖ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

We all were death/lifeless(we were for sure from male and female gamete , arent we?) what are these cells has created from? They arent created at the result, and from the foods our parents ate? , once we were no more than seperated atoms, we became human, we will die and we will be seperated atoms again, then we will be a living thing again, and we will meet God, how this is opposite to science? (And its better to say that in the beginning we were nothing, then atoms and go on.)

And i dont understand what 527 and 1785 is opposite to science? (Unless about its heart part which is under discussion here)
U said However, our knowledge is limited and science is still in discovery mode. That is all I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.

I know that what you tell brother,

But just answer me, if i come to you and say that human thinks by their fingers What you would say? You will say its false? Or you will say that science is still in discovery mode and it may be correct?

Sorry for bad grammars and typos, its late here… o

Peace , havent i answered things you have quoted from this article before? Anyways if i didnt(which i did) as i said, if you want to learn, go study. i didnt made this topic to convince the people that heart thinks or not.

U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor

I asked from you to kindly give this verse in quran so i study it, but i think you forgot, so i ask again brother, please send it

Peace

Notealso i didnt said that this article is 100% lie, it has flaws, and parts of it which is correct hasnt anything to do with thinking. peace

Peace good logic

U said What some scientist are saying is that the real heart can influence the thinking of the brain.

Some scientists?! I dont agree with some, all “true” scientists know that heart influence thinking of brain, same as our other organs brother. If i kick into someone leg and he/she cries, it doesnt means that we think with our leg.

U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor?

Can you provide the verse brother i need to study it before commenting about this

Yes brother the science is developing, but this is proven that we doesnt think with our heart, if someone in a book says that humans think by their hairs, its not correct to say that science is developing and this may be true. Same for heart

God bless you.

Peace jkhan, yes sure, in the most common type of artificial heart , atriums arent mechanical, i mean atriums are natural atriums. But that doesnt mean that atriums thinks or have emotions, otherwise as i said the cinderella would become joker rotfl , go ask a doctor ,what will happen if someones limbic system injured in in car crash and etc, i am not here to know that heart think or not. If this is your goal or someone else goal , go study reliable books.

U said But when it comes to brain we definitely have two brains atleast but science may say two to four

What!!?!!??? From where u heard that we have two to four brains!!??? rotfl rotfl yay
My dear brother are you kidding me?

Peace emre, can your clear that what is ناصیه according to you??

Peace noon, so according to your translation 2246 means but blind are your minds which is in your center of thoughts?

I never rejected that it can mean this, but for me its seems that the author really thinks mind=heart center of emotions=chest, because function of brain and even for word it i think never mentioned in Quran, there isnt any clue to know that the author used this experssions in the same way we use it today.(i mentioned it earlier in my 2nd comment about your comment i think), thats why people like brother jkhan and brother good logic and so many other people says that quran says people really think by their heart,

Peace hawk, thanks for correcting my mistake, when i was writing that comment you mentioned. I just read noon comment, and somehow i wrongly write it,

i correct it No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of thinking or not?

Yes brother, i have read 37, it is poorest logic to say when a verse is A or B then its mutashabbeh and we shouldnt
pay so much attention to it.

No, there it is clearly said that the sinner will be caught by the forelock in front of the forehead. Even if you take it as a folk expression, the action is the same, and even if you don't, the action is the same. The expression that the forehead is sinner is not in the folk idiom.

You are not reading the paragraph in its entirety. Stop relying on other people's statements. Read the Quran.

God Clearly speaking of the brain organ.

Peace brother, see 1156, it says every دابة have ناصیه ,

Can you kindly explain what is دابه ? Is it not living creature/ animal etc?

Does every animal have ناصیه=brain ?

Peace noonwaqalami, you said chest is never mentioned,

‏أَفَلَمْ يَسِيرُوا۟ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَتَكُونَ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌۭ يَعْقِلُونَ بِهَآ أَوْ ءَاذَانٌۭ يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا ۖ فَإِنَّهَا لَا تَعْمَى ٱلْأَبْصَرُ وَلَكِن تَعْمَى ٱلْقُلُوبُ ٱلَّتِى فِى ٱلصُّدُورِ

2246

Isnt sadr=chest ?

Peace brother jkhan, you said God knows best and not bunch of scientists..

Yes, for sure God knows best, and according to 2nd part of your statement, as i mentioned earlier you dont need to be a scientist to understand that heart thinks or not, high school education is enough, and even for a person without education, he 100% knows that moving one person heart to another body doesnt change the reciever emotions , if you move joker heart to cinderella, cinderella wont become joker handshake and he certainly knows that people with artifical heart have emotions, unless him/her is denier of truths and facts.

Peace brother hawk

You said are you gonna say that the heart has eyes too? nope and Still not a metaphor? my good brother c'mon handshake

No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of emotion or not?

When someone say i drinked alochole, and its covered my brain, we understand that 1-this person thinks that he thinks by his brain 2-this drink did something to him/her brain so he cant think and etc,

Same for “their hearts are blind” it means 1-they think by they hearts 2-they hearts cant think, they hearts deny the truth

Peace brother/sister noonwaqalami,thanks for entering the discussion

i agree with some parts of your comment, but at least two problems

1-the problem is inner emotions that are in your chest doesnt make sense

2-at least the author should do something when in a book it says statements like this, at least from somewhere in this book i should know that the author knows that humans think by his brain, see my answer to brother emre blow

Peace brother emre, you said The Qur'an uses folk idioms. For example, in Turkish we say during the night "the sun is sinking"(in English saying "the sun is setting&quot. During the day, we/Turks say "the sun is birthing"(Englishman saying "the sun is shining&quot. Of course, the Qur'an used the folk expressions of the Arabs. This has nothing to do with symbolism, these folk idioms have a clear dictionary meaning. Even a primary school child easily understands what is being said.

Thanks for rejecting your previous statements my dear brother,if this is a folk idiom, then the 9615 and 16 is a folk idiom /experssion . As muhammad asad and others linguists say. And then it means that we cant find anywhere that Quran says that human think by their Brain

Peace Mahdi.
So what can Qoran mean then if not metaphor?

Is there only one literall meaning for every verse? )

This is your initial thread... So do you really say in your last thread you can't answer...
You are convinced ambiguous fellow... You are darting around.. You are having fun..
You very well know that heart is the one Quran's poiny of view.. But act you are confused.. No.. You want to prove QURAN is wrong.. It is obvious. Even you say No.. Words you have written is what is inside your HEART.. coz it was spontaneous...

Peace, Thanks for judging

Peace

Peace jkhan,

U said Prove then Quran doesn't say that actual heart doesn't perceive / reason?

If i was able to do this with my limited knowledge in arabic, i wouldnt ask this question in this question here, if i asked it here it means i wasnt able to prove this.

Peace good logic

UsaidSo if the answer to "does Qoran say human think by heart" is no according to you. Why are you even asking it?

Im not 100% sure that quran doesnt say that, if i was 100% sure i wouldnt asked this here as you noted, my understanding is Quran is a book from God and God(which knows reality of everything) will not say a thing which is false according to reality

U said If people are giving you different views,it does not mean they are giving you facts that you must accept
So what is the problem?

Where i said that everything thay people say here i must accept 100%?

Peace

Peace,

My understanding of God willing=If actions that i do is according to The law that God has placed in universe,

U said Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange

Its not about being believer or atheist or etc…

Its about rejecting the facts and truths without even studying about it, it is the same thing that christian priests and others did when they heard someone says earth isnt flat and sun doesnt revolves around earth, people wont mock you if you study something and came with a result that majority doesnt accept, but people mock if you doesnt study about something, and making funny theories without having knowledge in it,

Peace.

Peace, sorry , i forget something

U said Can you tell me when God says we sealed their heart(qalb?)and what does it mean?

It simply means when someone rejects the truth, so many times, his mind gets used to it, and he will not understand the truth any more.

Peace brother

You saidI would ask a question from brother Mahdi young fellow and all.. Allah says in Quran when he wants to create something He says "BE" and it is.. Is that possible according to science.. Just say and it is.. Lol.. I don't think it is possible according to science.. No way.. Science cannot accept it.. No way..

You take this literally? Do You think that God speak? Its first time that i see someone take this verse literally

If you think that you think by your heart, it just shows that your biology education is below highschool level

I should remember that if God willing one day i became a doctor, i must replace your heart by a heart of biology professor, cuz after it you will become a biology professor rotfl bravo yeah

Free minds logo according to jkhan

https//s4.uupload.ir/files/45485a5f-3cd8-485e-a256-b803cefc7613_j5yh.jpeg

peace rotfl

Peace,

i have read lexicons and i saw that for the meaning of sadr they also say

Hans wehrbeggining of something

Lisan alarab=اعلی مقدم کل شی و اوله

Steingass=the foremost or upperpart of anything

Mufradat raghib=مقدم الشی

Dic of holy quran=upper part, higher point

As you see all of the lexicons above said in addition to chest, sadr means above part of something,

Why we cant translate sadr as upper part of body/head?

Will be thankfull if you guys help, peace

Yes my brother metaphors, similes, idioms, parables, similitudes and stories are used to convey meanings. yes

Wow Mahdi20 here you are making my point for me how generous of you!
The Quran is such an ancient text. handshake

Fa-Kaf-Ra = thought upon it, considered it in order to obtain a clear knowledge of it, examined it mentally,
to employ the mind, having much thought, reflect.

Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or on their sides and give thought (brain)
to the creation of the heavens and the earth, , "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly;
exalted are You; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire.

If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth,
and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue,
or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs;
So relate the story; perchance they may reflect (brain)

Sometimes literal interpretations can mislead us reading Quran.

{Will they not, then, ponder over this Qur’an? – or are there locks

upon their hearts?} (Quran 4724)

{So, have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by
which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts.} (Quran 2246)

In the two verses quoted above, the word “hearts” stands for the ability to understand, to analyze,
and to apply logic and reason. Here too the Quranic use of the word “heart” does not signify
the physical organ in our chest.

It stands for reasoning power, analytical acumen, logical faculty, and such other capabilities
usually associated with the “mind”.

The function of the brain and the heart as discovered by medical science is concerned with the
human body and it has little relevance to the hearts mentioned by the Quran.

{Then your hearts became hardened after that, being like stones or even harder.} (Quran 274)

The word “heart” in the above verses does not actually mean the organ that we call the heart in our
chest, but it stands metaphorically for our mental disposition or behavior.

C'mon brother have a heart. peace

Peace brother,

U said
It stands for reasoning power, analytical acumen, logical faculty, and such other capabilities
usually associated with the “mind”.

Yes, and 2264 says that this mind is in sadr which means chest, so it cant be a metaphor, unless your translate sadr as something else

And as i said in few verse qalb came with eye and ear, so according to quran its a organ, and when it says it thinks itsnot a metaphor, does when i say to you Hawk see with his eyes, and heat with his eyes, and think by his qalb, the first and second one isnt a metaphor and third one is a metaphor?! Its not peace

Peace