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Thank you Released. I am only strong by the Grace of God. Life is precious. You guys are wonderful, even at times when we may disagree. Please know in my heart I appreciate you all and happy I have had the opportunity to grow and learn, from such blessed people.

Peace Dennis, welcome to the forums! Hope you enjoy your stay and share your wisdom with us. 1.) There are two kinds of difficulty. One difficulty is the pain of growth. The other difficulty is the pain of suffering. God means strive hard and push through the pain of growth so you will succeed. That there is no hardship means that God does not ever command something that will cause you suffering for no useful reason. When you push through the pain of growth, the deen/way of life becomes easier and easier until it is effortless. This is in stark contrast to the non-godly way of living which is beset on all sides by difficulties that have no solution and result in unnecessary suffering. 1697 - Whoever does good whether male or female and he is a believer, We will most certainly make him live a happy life, and We will most certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did. To this verse I can personally testify. 2.) These will be judged by God who knows exactly how they operate inside and outside. No soul is tasked beyond that which it can bear. This means that if it cannot bear a burden at all, God will treat them with that knowledge; so more likely they have a one way ticket to the paradise. In these cases it is apparent that God has made them a trial for other people; their case is already known to God so they have no need to go through the trial as to whether they will submit to God or not. Do not worry about these people but do worry about how you treat them. You cannot change their souls but the way you affect them will change your own soul. 3.) Same thing as before. 4.) Evil is proof of people turning away from the truth. When you do things in line with the truth there is no room for evil to come into the picture. See verse 3041 - Corruption has appeared in the land and the sea on account of what the hands of men have wrought, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, so that they may return. Evil has a purpose, good is good for its own sake. The purpose of evil is to show us what happens when we do not do goodness. When that purpose is fulfilled then it disappears; or if man does not change his ways then the punishment takes hold, which also is for a determined time. 5.) There is simply no reincarnation in the sense of multiple endless past lives. We are reincarnated once after this life, we may have been alive once before (4011). Karma exists and God is accountant of every deed large or small. Samsara is what we entered into when Adam & Eve ate of the tree of Eden but we shall be taken out of it by God in this life or the next. peace

In terms of proving fomob it's simple. I am using the standard dictionary definition of "evidence". Here is a simple example you might understand Farouk says Wakas says X Wakas asks please provide evidence I said X. Farouk either provides evidence via quote or does not. If not ---> fomob It's really simple.

Why would I do that? Are you telling me your article is not open to be questioned elsewhere? Not to someone who sneaks in Qs in other threads going off-topic, when he has his very own thread for asking me Qs. Next question Since you admit that not all men are in charge of all women but rather it is conditional, a man can spend on another man's wife and it would then earn them the right of obedience. Is this correct? ) Please use your own thread.

Peace nevashiva. Quote 1- Well, how about you explain what you were implying....and what is the solution, abandon Hadith? Believe in Rashad Khalifa?, Regurgitate God is one and only one for any problem that occurs, because the number 19 is the answer? I was saying " only God knows" not me or anyone else can be sure. Also Qoran makes it clear "Those who do good, deserve good" and those who deliberately" do bad" deserve bad unless they repent and correct . Of course it is also up to God to forgive whom he wills. I never mentioned " me" or where I stand. I am the same as anyone else. God s law applies to all. Quote 2-But then again maybe you have never seen with your own eyes how miserable those people really are, yet they go to the mosque to pray and hope, just to have a replica of you as an Imam, who tells them you people are worthless, and deserve hell, because they don't know how to practice the RIGHT Islam. Again this is an assumption. What do you know about me? What evidence do you have to back up what you said , if it is about me? Am I an Imam? This is news to me. If you think because I preach http//www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/good-logic/ Rest assured I am no Imam, nor do I want to be one! God forbid, I am not anyone s guardian. Everyone has a free will and good luck to them with their decision. I respect all humans . Quote 3-Oh wait, you don't give a damn, as long as you save your own skin from hell, that's all you care about. Another assumption. Read my posts . Again only God can judge whether we really care or not. Quote 4-You pointing upward and saying it is God who says it, still you claim you know that God is on your side, doesn't make you sound any less pompous. Another assumption. How did you come to this conclusion? You are claiming things I have not said! Where did I say God is on my side? I keep repeating " only God knows"!!!. However, I still forgive you, whatever your reason. I will even apologise to you if you feel I ought to. Peace and friendship. May the Lord have mercy on us and guide us. Peace

Peace Amina, You are so blessed to have a friend like that. I'll tell you over private message of a couple that my husband met randomly. I believe they are also Quran only or at least very progressive in their thinking. I think your experience is very reassuring. I think I am definitely going to try, and meet up with some of these women. Hopefully, I will meet at least one person who will accept as I am, God willing.

Peace This topic has moved from the original subject, but I wanted to post this even though late. Some very interesting definitions of zeenathuhunna such as make up etc. From 2431, how can make up be exposed when a woman part or move her legs wide ( sorry, the verse does not say feet, like in the hadiths on the hanging bells on womens feet) ? Please see the link below for a previous discussion on this and this particular matter was settled I guess. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11995.msg87737#msg87737

What research have you done? If none, then please do some. If some, then let us know what you found. See www.StudyQuran.org for tools/resources

Salam huruf No, it is not addressed to men. The addressee is the people. It starts in 4.1 where it says o.k you are right ) yeah but because you say Women cannot marry women, therefore to marry the women falls on the men, but women can help in it may be contributing with goods or money or work or contacts, then when the Aya speak about married, it is clear men or hmm peace Salam Fallen Angel ^ Read my post above before reading this (The reason why I do this is that when one ends up giving multiple replies in forums, often only his/her last reply is read, and although he/she made replies prior to that which are also new, they get neglected) Mirjamnur and I are pretty much saying the same thing, the only difference I see is that he (He right? or she?) says orphans in Arabic are motherless children, or without both mothers and fathers, while I say that orphans in Arabic are fatherless children, or without both mothers and fathers. hmm mirjam = she or he that is here the question ;D ;D ;D and you are right i'am falsethey are fatherless children! jedi Salam

Oh absolutely! We should struggle against the wrongs of this world. I believe that the underlying social philosophy of the Quran is about establishing justice in the sight of every system (7/29). Part of that struggle should be writing against hijacks of the Quran for authortarian purposes and oppression.

. . Ism means attribute not name. Salaam MMKhan As a beginner level Arabic speaker I am wondering doesn't the Arabic words "ismi Lena" translate to "my name is Lena" an doesn't shishmak/ shishmik mean whats your name? Aren't these two words related to ism? Thanks. Salaam Lena, Correct! but that is so called Arabic Language. Arabic language of alQuraan is different than language used in Arab countries. Please check my above post. May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr mmKhan

Peace Mirjamnur Yes, I totally understand where you are coming from. I saw some documentaries on how they shelter and slaughter the animals in factory farms. Really terrible. I think your decision to not eat meat is definitely in the spirit of the Quran. I respect vegetarianism even though I am not a vegetarian myself. We are supposed to treat the animals with kindness. The organic, certified humane meat is both expensive and difficult to find. We make do with the certified humane chicken but the other meats are very expensive here. Some verses for our reflection There is not an animal that lives on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but they form communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they all shall be gathered to their Lord in the end (Quran 63. Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the Earth glorifies God? Even the birds in formation, each knows its communion and its glorification. And God is fully aware of everything they do. (2441) I think these verses teach us that even animals are to be treated with dignity, as they are here to fulfill a purpose, and they worship and glorify God as well.

Peace all Pakistan. Peace salim

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salamun 3alaiky See PRACTICES http//quransmessage.com/articles/practices%20FM3.htm POPULAR BELIEFS http//quransmessage.com/articles/popular%20beliefs%20FM3.htm FOOD AND DRINK http//quransmessage.com/articles/food%20FM3.htm WOMEN http//quransmessage.com/articles/women%20FM3.htm

Peace Huruf, Are you saying that it might be best for others to make the abortion choice for some pregnant women? As a point of interest, the Koran may not outlaw something directly, but we may find many pointers to it. For example, homosexuality. There is no direct edict about this subject, yet we are able to put together a pretty solid argument that it does not please God. Similarly, the Koran does not outlaw alcohol, yet people have tried to put together a strong case against it. We have looked more closely at the Koran, studying it grammatically and have found that actually the thing God warned us against was the devil and not the alcohol. Although we do know that there is less good in alcohol than there is good. I am suggesting that if we look at verses that tell us to trust in God; that God will provide; that God will not give us a burden to carry more than we can bear etc., etc., then we may come to the conclusion that if a woman finds herself pregnant and in an unsatisfactory position socially, mentally, financially, she could choose to put her faith in God and go ahead with the pregnancy knowing that God will help her. You mention people being promiscuous. Abortion is not a cure for promiscuity. Education is. I know you feel that I am casting aspersions on people who have abortions. I am not. I am simply stating my own opinion based on my understanding. I am allowed to do this on this board, because we are freeminds. And I expect you to argue against me without getting personal or emotional - as the Koran tells us to. You say I don't refer to the Koran. When I write on this forum, I often do not have a copy of the Koran to quote from. However, as I know the Koran quite well, I give a synopsis of the verse, or the basic meaning of a verse I am referring to. Anyway, my opinion on this subject is that if a person chooses to have an abortion, at that particular time in her life, she has chosen not to trust in God, that He will provide. True, the Koran does not say, 'don't do abortion', it does say though, trust in God, ask Him for what you want and He will answer your prayer. Peace.

Salam Bigmo 2234 (Haj-34) To every people did We appoint rites (of sacrifice), that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the sustenance He gave them from animals (fit for food). But your god is One God submit then your wills to Him (in Islam) and give thou the good news to those who humble themselves,- sacrifice is not in the arabic Walikulli ommatin jaAAalna mansakanliyathkuroo isma Allahi AAala marazaqahum min baheemati al-anAAami fa-ilahukum ilahunwahidun falahu aslimoo wabashshiri almukhbiteena 2237 Lan yanala Allaha luhoomuhawala dimaoha walakin yanaluhualttaqwa minkum kathalika sakhkharahalakum litukabbiroo Allaha AAala ma hadakumwabashshiri almuhsineena A 2237 This aya says clear, that the slaughter is not a rite- is not a sacrifice- is just an pious act to help the poor people. (Haj-(67) To every People have We appointed rites and ceremonies which they must follow let them not then dispute with thee on the matter, but do thou invite (them) to thy Lord for thou art assuredly on the Right Way. 2267 Likulli ommatin jaAAalna mansakan humnasikoohu fala yunaziAAunnaka fee al-amri waodAAuila rabbika innaka laAAala hudan mustaqeemin Ceremonies is not here in arabic 3113 Laysoo sawaan min ahli alkitabiommatun qa-imatun yatloona ayati Allahianaa allayli wahum yasjudoona nothing from rites here- the aya speaks from devotion and humbleness , to read the Quran and meditate over it.. yes can include a sujud, but not obligatory- says nothing about mansak. = Nun-Siin-Kaf = to lead a devout life, be pious, be godly, worship/serve God, sacrifice, slaughter an animal by way of sacrifice, act of worship/servitude, performers/observers of such acts, rite of devotion, to wash and purify, to apply oneself. nasaka vb. (I) n. vb. 2196, 6162 pcple. act. 2267, mansak n.m. (pl. manasik) 2128, 2200, 2234, 2267. Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8 n-s-k used transitively. See an ex. in a verse of EI-Ahsbl, in the S, 4. s.;1 . (TA voce ,'.'1.) 5. decoted himself to religious exercises; applied himself to derotion; (S, ]M yb, as also V i.L(S , .i) and t;iC (.1) or the last, he became a 'JL. (S.) LAL The religious rites and ceremonies of the pilginmlage or the places where those rites and ceremonies are performed. the word has a general meaning and even it's used only for (the slaughter in) the pilgrimage- not for prayers etc... Salam and thank you peace Right, the Quran does look at rituals differently than Muslims do. Rituals are a means to an end and not an end by themselves. This concept is usually hard for Muslims to grasp as rituals for them are an end by themselves. They see rituals as the devotion itself by how its performed and when. While the Quran sees rituals as a method of expressing devotion and not thhe devotion itself. Many Quranist also have a hard time grasping this, hence the obsession about 2 salat or three salat or tawaf and ka'ba and what Mecca is etc.

Salam, Thank you so much for the insight guys!

What do you mean by tax? What tax? If you are talking about Jizya, Jizya to me is not tax but compensation or reperation. It came in the Quran regarding the Meccans and not the people of Medina. I mean charity, sadaqatin or something? peace

Dear Brother Pazuzu, Your translation might be right, but don't you see that it was the very action of Moses on the bahr that made it separated (the fa of the verb infalaqa is consecutive of an early action) in two parts both as high as a great hill. Whereas your opinion on that matter is showing that Moses and others just follow a situation created by rain to escape. You stated "...and walked on an elevated ground with two giant streams of water on either side of them". But they had to cross at least one stream first before reaching any elevated valley. My very question is how did they cross that body of water presumably perpendicular to their way? Anyway i think we must be veru careful on this very important passage even if we are not coming back on the idea of MISR not being in the actual egypt. If you choosed to pease to sunni way of behaviour to attract them it is not so bad but if you do think that we are somehow obliged to add anything we mentionning the Messengers or prophet as a "respect" it is problematic... let me invite you on this page of brother Edip Yuksel(or go to his site 19.org) "4. What was the name of the last prophet Muhammad or Muhammed? All the derivatives of the root word H8M40D4 (read HaMaDa) occurs 68 times in the Quran o yuHaMmaDu (to be praised by others) occurs once in a NEGATIVE context in verse 3188 o HaMD (praise, noun) occurs 38 times and all for GOD 12; 61; 645; 743; 1010; 1439; 1598; 1675; 17111; 181; 20130; 2328; 2715; 2759; 2793; 2870; 2963; 3018; 3125; 3215; 341; 341; 351; 3534; 37182; 3929; 3974; 3975; 3975; 407; 4055; 4065; 425; 4536; 5039; 5248; 641; 1103. o HaMDika (your praise) occurs once for GOD in verse 230 o biHaMDihi (with His praise) occurs 4 times all for GOD 1313; 1744; 1752; 2558. o HaMiDun (those who praise) occurs once for praising GOD 9112. o HaMyD (the One who is praised) is used 17 times, and all for GOD 2267; 4131; 1173; 141; 148; 2224; 2264; 3112; 3126; 346; 3515; 4142; 4228; 5724; 606; 646; 858. o maHMuD (the praised position) occurs once as the description of the POSITION promised for the prophet 1779. o aHMaD (the one who praises more/most; it is not a proper name but an adjective made of a verb) occurs once in verse 616 o muHaMMed (the one who praises frequently) occurs in 4 verses 3144; 3340; 472; 4829. The picture must be clear now. As Satan distorted the monotheistic message of Jesus by turning unity to trinity, similarly Muslims fabricated many different idols by creating partners in religious sources, by adhering the sharia laws made by their clergymen (4221), and by glorifying the name of a human-messenger more than his Lord and Creator, by adding his name to the name of God in the Statement of Unity thereby transforming it to the Statement of Duality. The one who was prophecised by Jesus was described as ahmad, that is ?the one who praises more?, similar to the linguistic form a?lam (the one who knows more) or arham (the one who cares more). 616 When Jesus, son of Mary, said, ?O children of Israel, I am God?s messenger to you, authenticating what is present with me of the Torah and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose attribute will be ?the most praising.?? But when he showed them the clear proofs, they said, ?This is clearly magic.? Ironically, though the prophesized description is pronounced as AHMAD, (the one who praises more or the most) it is commonly translated as YUHMAD or HAMYD or HUMIDA (the one who was praised more or the most). Some Sunnis might attempt to abuse verse 1779, in order to maintain the Orthodox reading. ?If he was not praised which is denoted by his name Muhammad, how could his position be praised?? This objection initially appears to be a fair one, but with little scrutiny it falls apart. Here is the problem with this reasoning. A person might be appointed and raised to a praised position by the frequently praised Lord and that person would still not be a ?frequently praised person.? The position is the one which is praised, not the person who might be blessed by God to reach such a position, which is returning to God, the Praise-worthy. If I am given a miraculous sign, I do not become miraculous myself. If one is promised high heaven, he does not become high himself. If one is blessed with abundance, she does not become abundant herself. In fact, God provides us with the best mathal, the best tafsyr in verse 2658 by using similar words. In verse 2658 we are informed that pharaoh and his followers lost their ?treasures and honorable positions (maqamun karym)? However we know that neither Pharaoh nor his close friends were honorable (karym), but they had honorable position (maqamun karym) in Egypt! After the departure of the prophet Muhammad, like most heroes the hypocrites started carving an idol around his name, which later was extended to his family members, to his monotheist friends, and even to the hypocrite friends. Unlike what the sunni sources claim, the word sahaba is not a holy word in the Quran; to the contrary, it is mostly used to describe the hypocrites and mushriks around Muhammad. When the Umayyad and Abbasid tyrants betrayed the Quranic principle of democratic election, they distorted the meaning of the word jizya (war reparation) as an extra taxation on Christians and Jews (See Quran a Reformist Translation for detailed discussion on this and similar issues). This anti-islamic imperialistic policy forced many Christians and Jews to convert to Sunni or Shiite sects. Those unhappy converts found it easy to replace their previous idols with new ones; this time with Muhammed and many others. Knowing the depth and breadth of alteration performed by the Sunni and Shiite clergymen, especially, considering their intolerance to and aggression against those who adhered to the monotheistic principles, gradually changing the pronunciation of the word Muhammed to Muhammad would not be a difficult task. (I highly recommend my colleagues Prof. Aisha Musa?s and Ahmad Kassim?s books on this subject Hadith as Scripture Discussions on the Authority of Prophetic Traditions in Islam; and Islamic Renaissance a New Era has Started, respectively.) In summary, according to the teaching of the Quran, the name of the last prophet was most likely not MuhammAd, but was MuhammEd, similar to the linguistic form of Muallem (teacher) or Musawer (designer). HMD is true praise and implies magnifying, honoring and admiration. The person who engages in HMD, declares his or humility and submission. Thus, HaMD exclusively applies to Allah (the god), our Lord, the One, the Initiator, the Designer, the Compassionate, the Living, the Eternal, the Almighty, and the Omniscient God. Praise is to the Lord of the Universe." Peace siwto