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Peace All. I thought everything belongs to God? " He created all the humans, Taught everything there is to know"? There is nothing wrong with using " What is out there" for - good intentions/ work-! There is everything wrong with using " What is out there for- bad intentions/work- Acknowledge and thank the Lord for all that He provided. He must be thanked first. He does everything. And of course there nothing wrong in thanking and acknowledging other peoples efforts .Do not claim things as yours, use for the good. If permission is " clearly" required and is possible , there is nothing wrong in seeking permission. Have good intentions; Do good works; Use what God has provided for you ; Reverence Him and enjoy. Peace.

Peace peace Yes I agree. Studying the Quran and prayers/salat would have it's good deeds. But God did not command us to be HERMITS! Go out, stand up for justice, and stand against tyranny. Help others, try to have a positive influence upon others & try to make the world a better place !

Note that if the marriage contract is invalid to God (as in the case of musafihina) then the sexual act would be classed as fahisha/zina. It can be said that based on 424, a marriage proposed and accepted for the wrong reasons (i.e sex) is disapproved by the God and advised against because it has obvious consequences (most likely a bitter divorce or an unstable relationship) but how does this lead to the belief that sexual activity is lewd/fahisha or immoral within such a marriage? The first and foremost requirement is that there is a transfer of wealth between the man and the woman. This then legalises the marriage. We can see from the above two verses that the sex act takes place after the transfer of wealth. A sex act without a transfer of wealth or with a net zero of wealth is described by God as slander/a clear evil (wa-ith'man mubnan). 420 is clear in saying, don't take what you gave to your wife when you want to change this wife for another and that is all it is saying. There is no indication in this that sex is done after a transfer of wealth. 421 Emphasises the wrongness of taking what is given to the wife based on intimacy/sex and a firm covenant. If we are told that it's wrong to take back things from our wives because we have had sex with them and have made with them a firm covenant, this does not warrant the belief that any sexual activity that has no marriage certificate in place is lewd or zina. Peace

Not meaning to be intrusive, but how does one come to be antitheist? Are they former believers? It's a fair question. As a child I was taught to believe in the Christian god. When we lived in Tehran I was confused by different gods and different claims. I guess I was already a sceptic, so I grew out of believing and into rational thinking, where both gods could not be right but both could be wrong. I then realised through science that humans are learning fast about their environment. I realised we had only scratched the surface and already with that minute knowledge did not require gods as explanations for previously unexplained phenomena any longer. So I went from atheist to anti-theist. To finish the story I just ignored religions until recently when I became interested due to personal circumstances and am now trying to understand what people believe and why.

Opinion among average Pakistanis about a North Waziristan operation is also mixed. Zamman Watto, a lawyer in the eastern city of Lahore, said the government should not launch an offensive because ?this will have a very adverse impact on the security situation in the country in the form of suicide attacks by the militants.? Maqbool Khan, a teacher in the northwest city of Peshawar, urged the military to push into North Waziristan, saying ?the government should act against terrorists wherever they are hiding.? The government will need to move quickly if it wants to capitalize on public outrage over the attack, said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the US. ?As time passes on from the Malala incident, public opinion could shift again, as it often has in the past after a terrorist attack,? Lodhi wrote in a column in The News on Tuesday. ?The window of public consent for any action will then begin to close.? http//dawn.com/2012/10/17/pakistanis-divided-on-army-offensive-after-malala-attack/

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Peace mmkhan, Thank you. I am so happy to be free of those hadith...they can make life extremely difficult. -[

Peace mmkhan, I would also include for a broader understanding of seeking guidance from God Alone. Peace O0 Peace hawk, Yes, that is a complete topic.. handshake but I think I was just referring to the description of Jannat hmm mmKhan peace

Salam brother Salaam mirjamnur, I will try to answer inshaAllah with my TheCreator's permission. Thank you very much Right!! Adam = Man or human race? Nafs = type, kind - which will be alive even after death, please check 5116 for "Nafsiyy" and "Nafsika". And 2399-100 . i don't know, if i'm agree with "will be alive even after death"- this would mean that the dead talk to people would be possible, since their nefs still "floats" somewhere in the room' to make contact ... I believe that when we die, that is the moment when Allah draws out our nefs, then we are dead (i.e. body and nefs) , we will only be resurrected on Judgment Day. (the people in the grave can't hear the living) from 5.116 the nefs seems to be our own personality (ego) , that would coincide with the story of Bani Israel, who should kill 'their nefs"(sura al baqara?) i.e. Not killing themselves, but their egos?...... 23.99 mentions barzach = Ba-Ra-Zay-Kha = a thing that intervenes between two things, a bar/obstruction that makes a separation, the interval between the present and that which is to come, from the period of the death to the resurrection, what is between doubt and certainty. barzakh n.m. 23100, 2553, 5520 can we conclude from this that they (the nefs?) are alive behind the barrier? hmm Rooh = Someone, who works on orders of Allah to fulfill it. Please see 1785 about alRooh, and see how it comes down to fulfill the orders of Allah in 974 and also in 1917-19. Asad translated ruh with divine revelation. it can also be meant the messenger who brings this revelation. What then is the Ruh al Qudus? Gibril? or the word of God? the highest revelation? as far as I know, only Jesus and Muhammad 'became' the Ruh al Qudus... nope they all are different. Naas = People , please check 213, 224, 283, 2102 and many more. handshake Insaan = Who is in loss. Please check 1032, 3372, 1434, and more. here is a speculation can this form not be dual from Ins?= Insain = insan =? then it would markl the 'creation man/women (like the entire creation in pairs) l?- and this creation has one big sign the character of a man is ingratitude. possible? Ins = Whole human kind. Please check 6112, 6128, 6130, 1788, 5156, 725, and more. always used in contrast to the jinn generic name? Bashar = One who gives glad tidings . It is derived from "Ba Sheen Ra", you can check all its derivatives used in alQuraan by clicking here. It is also used otherwise, so not 100% sure about the exact meaning. But something positive Be careful it is not a board in front of your head, it is a brickwall ;D the board is unfortunately missing from the Emotions Salam May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr mmKhan

Salaam mirjamnur, Please let me know what you mean by the word "Creation" or "Created" for alQuraan, and can you please tell me what is the Arabic word that you have translated as "Creation" or "Created"? May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr mmKhan Salam mmkhan Kh-Lam-Qaf = To measure or proportion a thing, to form or make according to proper measure, bring into existence according to a certain measure, originate or produce after a pattern or model which one has devised, bring into existence from a state of non-existence (create out of nothing), to fabricate or forge a speech or saying, to make a thing equitable or even, make a thing smooth, to be probable or likely to happen (or likely to be or happen, or to have happened or been), act towards someone according to that person's nature, wear out a thing and make it old, to be fit/ competent/ suitable/ proper, to be complete or perfect in respect of make or proportion, have an innate/natural disposition/temperament/quality. khalaqa vb. (1) perf. act. 221, 229, 2228, 359, 3191, 41, 41, 518, 61, 62, 673, 694, 6100, 6101, 711, 712, 712, 754, 7181, 7185, 7189, 936, 103, 105, 106, 117, 11119, 1316, 1419, 1432, 1526, 1527, 1533, 1585, 163, 164, 165, 1648, 1670, 1681, 1761, 1770, 1799, 1837, 1848, 199, 1967, 204, 2055, 2116, 2133, 225, 2312, 2314, 2314, 2314, 2317, 2391, 23115, 2445, 252, 2549, 2554, 2559, 2678, 26166, 26184, 2760, 2944, 2961, 308, 3020, 3021, 3040, 3054, 3110, 3111, 3125, 324, 327, 3511, 3540, 3636, 3642, 3671, 3677, 3681, 3711, 3711, 3796, 37150, 3827, 3875, 3876, 3876, 395, 396, 3938, 4067, 419, 4115, 4121, 4137, 439, 439, 4312, 4387, 4438, 4439, 4522, 463, 464, 4633, 4913, 5016, 5038, 5149, 5156, 5236, 5345, 5449, 553, 5514, 5515, 5657, 574, 642, 643, 6512, 672, 673, 6714, 7039, 7114, 7115, 7411, 7538, 762, 7628, 788, 8018, 8019, 827, 872, 904, 923, 954, 961, 962, 1132 impf. act. 347, 349, 517, 5110, 7191, 168, 1617, 1617, 1620, 1799, 2273, 2445, 253, 2868, 2917, 3054, 3681, 394, 396, 4249, 4316, 5659, 7720 perf. pass. 428, 2137, 5235, 7019, 865, 866, 8817 impf. pass. 7191, 1620, 253, 898 n.vb. 2164, 3190, 3191, 4119, 754, 104, 1034, 1034, 135, 1316, 1316, 1419, 1749, 1751, 1798, 1851, 1851, 2050, 21104, 2314, 2317, 2764, 2919, 2920, 3011, 3022, 3027, 3030, 3111, 3128, 327, 3210, 347, 351, 3516, 3678, 3679, 396, 396, 4057, 4057, 4229, 4319, 454, 4633, 5015, 5015, 673, 769, 3668, 3711, 7927 pcple. act. 6102, 13!6, 1528, 23!4, 353, 37125, 3871, 3962, 4062, 5235, 5659, 5924 khalaq n.m. 2102, 2200, 377, 969, 969, 969 khallaq n.m. 1586, 3681 why my question?? I read yesterday or before i didn't remember where exactly, that one member said, that in his opinion, the Quran is not created. salaam sister i didn't understand your question. Where is the problem ? Quran is created by God and i never doubted from that. May this help you 1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book . Peace Salam Noshirk yes, for you clear, but it seems not for all clear http//aqeedah.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/asharis-believe-quran-is-created-and-ibn-qudamas-refutation/ Imaam Ibn 'Asakir wrote, "The Mu'tazila said, 'Allah's speech is created, invented, and brought into being.' The Hashawiyyah who attributed body to Allah said, 'The Alphabetical characters (al Huroof Al Muqatta'a), the materials upon which they are written, the colors by which they are written, and all that is between the two covers (of the volumes of Qur'aan), is beginningless and preternal (qadima azaliyya). Al-'Ashari took the middle rode between them and stated, 'The Qur'an is Allah's beginningless speech, unchanged, uncreated, not of recent origin and time, nor brought into being. As for the aphabetical characters, the materials, the colours, the voices, the elements that are subject to limitations (al Mahdudaat), and all that is subject to modality (Al Mukayyafaat) in the world - all this is created, brought into being, and invented." (Tabyin Saqqa Ed. pg 151) so for me the Quran is the word of God but created- as Jesus Word of God and created. Salam my brothers and thank's )

I'd rather see a concordance which lists words by wazn/word form. This is crucial for us to understand the purpose of each form instead of buying whatever morphologists tell us.

No problem. BTW Youssef, your link of how you do salat doesn't exist according to youtube. just letting you know.

The Chisti order had some elements which made me very uncomfortable. I think quranists should arrive at their own 'sufi path' although sadly most of us are still stuck between traditionalism (like Mohamed Shiekh) and rationalism (Ghulam Ahmed Parwez). To me the Quran cannot fit either approach.

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Salaam mmkhan and all. Thanks for your inputs. Based on the little 'Arabic knowledge I have, it just seemed strange to use the plural when greeting an individual. As I said, plural can be used for singular to show respect. It applies to other languages too, like Persian and Hebrew.

Dear Aabdul Tough the makers of this documentary used my work liberally and though they consulted me frequently, they produced it independently of me and I do not agree with some of the statement in documentary. I would not include the long numbers about al-Fatiha for instance. I agree with you regarding the problem with such a statement, excluding many others. There were in the past, starting with Muhammad and his close companions who followed the Quran alone. Thus, none of them wrote or compiled hadith books. There were many afterwards, such as Abu Hanifa, Mutazila etc... I am aware of the great work and contribution of Allama Parwez... On the other hand, I do believe that the discovery of the code 19 made the argument of those who reject hadith much stronger, since we do not need to rely on the trustworthiness of the previous generations for the perfect preservation of the Quran. Besides, it explains many structural features and meaning of many idiosyncratic phrases in the Quran. Furthermore, Rashad's argument for the rejection of hadith in Quran, Hadith and Islam is the strongest argument in the record. Peace, Edip

Peace friend, I agree with you and believe that if we can agree on a set of goals that we could be a force. I think because we love submission to God we become passive to larger community. I believe most of us take daily acts of kindness and worship more important than activism. I think we need more group meetings and more visible things to grab onto so we can present what Quran Alone looks like. Just my opinion , God Bless

Salam thanks for the interesting information. peace

Yesterday I watched this video on youtube, and I said to myself, if we study the steps which Muslims under influenced of the west have been taken which is the cause of the destruction of the Islamic Caliphate, isn't Quranist the "total destruction" of any hope of unification of Muslim Ummah for under Quranism, there is not even the need for a mosque because each individual recite his own prayer the way he deems it correct from his particular understanding of the Quran , thus no unification under one leader or one such Islamic government is possible http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=--op2bDLp_Q I don't know about Quranist as I'm not a Quranist.. But in general the answer is YES YES YES.. The true islam is not a religion and the true muslim is not a political labelling/stereotype. Let's substitute the word islam with honest and see how ridiculous the statement below is "If we study the steps which Honests under influenced of the west have been taken which is the cause of the destruction of the Honestic Caliphate, isn't Honestism the "total destruction" of any hope of unification of Honest Ummah? For under << any name of your most hated sect here>>-ism, there is not even the need for a specific sect/religion/other labelling exclusive place of gathering, because each individual recite his own prayer the way he deems it correct from his particular understanding, thus no unification under one leader or one such Honestic government is possible?" And in general any non-sectarian / secular movements will eventually eliminate sectarianism / organized religions such as Catholicism ( thus no unification under one leader or one such Catholic government is possible. ) Orthodoxism ( thus no unification under one leader or one such Orthodox government is possible ) Christianism ( thus no unification under one leader or one such Christian government is possible. ) Judaism ( thus no unification under one leader or one such Judaistic government is possible. ) Mormonism ( thus no unification under one leader or one such Mormonist government is possible. ) Communism ( thus no unification under one leader or one such Communist government is possible. ) etc.. etc.. etc.. Human politics and power grab are among the roots of all evil.. Salam / Peace

Salam Edip i can just say as my brother say before Please convey my message of peace and sympathy to his family and all who knew him or worked with him. May God give his soul the eternal Salvation. A disease is very difficult for all, but it helps the patient to say goodbye from this world and look forward to the meeting with His Creator. May Allah release his pain and the loss of the relatives by the knowledge that God has take the suffering soul in His mercy. We all stand helpless before the death and we all will have to go this last way alone. May Allah help us to study his book and it's implement and may He unite all believers in peace with their loves in eternity. Peace