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That those people with lack of sexual development should be included in those people of the household in front of which women can forego to guard themselves more estrictly is not suprising. Those are people with whom they live, where the possibility of unintended physical proximity may arise. That is not the same as outside the home. The exception os ligical. If youlive in the same house with servants, of different sex, you do keep certain decorum. As to the children, it refers to both, male and female, which follows that guarding concern those beyond childhood of both sexes, such as says later on that the women of the women are amongst those before which women believers can relax, which leaves all the other women in front of which they cannot relax. And even if there are only women where they may be, it is not said that they can relax. To give good example, may be, but may be something else, because giving good example for the believers is something applicable to every situation. In everything the believers must enjoin what is good and give example. In this case it doesn't say that is the reason, and it doesn't say that if there are only women that changes anything and women can relax as to their appearance. As zeena being only the physical parts, I do not see that it is restricted to that, even if some physical parts are mentioned. There is sex in the whole thing but as part a whole which is healthy social intercourse in which real human values are entertained, and to discourage women from encouraging from inadvertence to be considered objects, be it sexual or status or luxury objects. Which again the whole thing is very common sense. Salaam

An economic system can't tax you, the government that enforces that economic system on you does. Today, there is no truly free country. Property rights are inherent, self evident rights and no country truly allows them to citizens. Government forcing you to pay income tax is one example of this. Right, so capitalism is not politics while socialism is a political system, you could in theory live in a socialist country which promotes capitalism. Therefore they are not two sides of one coin, I am sorry but the government forces you to pay tax? You see this as an infringement on your personal freedom? I understand your standpoint if you live under a government that does not use the taxes to build an infrastructure that benefits you. But then you should not blame tax, you should blame the people who are abusing the money. If the government takes my "excess" in tax and uses it to help the needy I see this as zakat, and that is the will of Allah. So what if zakat has been given the name tax in the west? And there has never been a free country ever. True freedom means anarchy and society is not built that way. Not even Allah promotes this kind of co-existence.

I find this topic very interesting. But what about messenger Rashad Khalifa's sayings. He showed us the details about performing contact prayer. this contact prayers are very important...... ????????????????so guys?????????????

Salaam to all sun I found something funny around...wich taking seriously is no funy at all, let me shere with you http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVCMGtrsh_8&feature=related Nice Week to all, and down with zionists Salaam O0

haha... i loved the accent of this guy Yahya.. he's funny.. Thankyou Mr. Edip... Sir, if i may suggest, it would be more effective if you could continue the rest of the videos in this series with brighter lighting. Salaam.

I am very suspicious of wonderful news, so, unfortunately, looking back one yearon things, I am not suprised that things are as they are. If I were objective and not an incoregible optimist, I would even be surprised that they are not worse, because they definitely could be worse, much worse. In the present world, such as it is and with the room for manoevre it allows, there is so much good Egypt can get, and I think -cosmetic improvements here or there, which of course are always welcome- and it has got it all. What it should do is not to squander it and keep it as much as it can. It can be much, much worse, as we unfortunately know, even though we would like to forget. Salaam

author=Student of Allah link=topic=9603481.msg292751#msg292751 date=1328442883 I do not consider myself as evil. But I am a human being, so can make mistakes. If you try to verify my works, its good for both of us. Learning experience for both of us. Im just being honest, we are being bombarded with information from everywhere and its so hard to verify everything. You read the news and trust the sources and talk to your friends about the news you red as if you were there and seen them by your self. Of course I see your point, and I will try to verify your hadiths, I understand its your duty to remind everyone to verify information, Im just being honest Well, it doesnt make sense. I know that, thats why I asked you to contact Bukhari He is good at making sh*t up. Senseless things like ".....Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him ..." So you can probably guess by now why I asked you to contact him . This dude has some wild imaginations.... no matter how baseless my SHALOM ALEIKHOM reasoning was, this dude will help you add to the story and fabricate a conclusion. CRAZY HADITH! > Its hard to understand written jokes -[ But it was a good one Peace!

Salam abdul hadi and student of allah I really appreaciate your opinions my own thoughts are along the same lines as yourselves. You are right that we cant guide who we love. I still manage to get resistance when i mention the quran alone as guidance. the major thing i noticed is the emotional attachment alot of muslim still have with traditions. when questioned on the tradition they always end up appealing to emotions by stating how could so many people be wrong and we should thefore ollow the majority. I often been told that we shouldn't question matters of faith. which at the end of the day is faulty reasoning because the quran encourages us to learn understand and ponder. i think the newest accuse i was given that i was listening to the wrong scholars and my sources are corrupt hich is all very convenient. which naturally leads to the question what makes certain scholars better than others, which criteria is used because it sure isn't the quran. I guess for me to have a valid opinion in thier eyes i'll probably have to have years of schooling at al azhar or any other islamic institution. those who discuss my apparent misguidance often are surprised when im aware of different scholar and general opinions amongst them. i was given a brain ill make my own decision and choices which ammusingly they do exactly the same thing when it thier own choice to follow the traditions and ulema blindly, as the quran say truth is easily distinguished from falsehood. I just dont how they can be so close minded. their lives could be so much simpler yet they over complicate. i was bought up in a strict sunni household following ahle sunnah, i use to attend plenty of lectures and always heard conflicting accounts, so when i started actually studying the quran i asked allah for understanding of the deen, it all clicked and ive never looked back since. I guess i do see this opposition as the test of my resove and how much faith i actually put in allah. inahallah i will come through this stronger and with more understanding. Thanks peace

No need to debate... This is similar to "Who is greater? Jesus or Muhammad or Moses?".. Quran never claimed to 'supercedes' / 'more superior' than the Bible. Trinity in Christianism is like Shahada in Sunniism. There are no trinity verse in Bible! And there are no Shahada in the Quran!. When discussing with Christians I usually show them what true islam is all about Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come, Let Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Salam / Peace

Salamun Alaikum to ALL Yeah, this is Spirit of Islam & Maverick no hard feelings man yay Of course! No hard feelings and we had a good conversation! handshake Peace all, Joel

Salam everybody, I think the discussion about names and places if they are the same or not is not relevant. This is history, even in the Quran we get names, we dont get exact places or time. All we get are people doing things, and they have names. What is relevant is to learn from what they did, why they did so and what was the respond from God. Simply to learn from their stories. I think the names in Arabic are important in translations for the reason Nomad mentioned in the beginning, to be able to study the roots of names and maybe get more clues about these people. Because they mean something, every name means something in Arabic and its not a coincidence that God wanted us to know what those people were called, maybe it has to do with some qualities they had. Ex. Yahya derives from the root YHY and according to Project Root List means Ha-Ya-Ya = (a doubly imperfect verb) To live, be alive, be ashamed, spend (the night) awake, fertilize the earth, keep anyone alive; spare any one, let anyone alive, remove prudency, modesty and shamefulness, make immodest, To be in good condition, have the means of subsistence, to be apparent or distinct, have prolonged or preserved life, free from evil or harm, have dominion, be honored, receive benefit, to salute, to enliven/revive/give life to, to nourish, vivify/re-vivify/revive/resuscitate, endue/quicken with life, (said of land) to be tilled and made productive, to remain awake, to shrink from a thing, to forbear, to feel or have a sense of or be moved or affected with shame/shyness/bashfulness, be ashamed/shy of doing a thing, disdain or scorn a thing, abstain from a thing/refuse to do it. Dont we have to think about the meanings of a word in the Quran even if its a name? God chose to share the name with us. I agree that a total translation or even a reform (Isa=Jesus) of a name is a bit misguiding. Regardless if they were the same person or not I think translators shall use the original names and then in brackets who they think those people were. Like in the translation posted earlier. There is so much we dont know about how Bible and Torah transformed gradually to a bunch of hadeeth, history is written by the winners so think about everything which is not mentioned in the history books about what happened to the God descended Injil and Tawrat and be humble about what you know and claim to be truth. Peace!

Shalom Aleikhom, Now, define "Dumb". If its the kind of dumbness God refers to in The Book, I agree, indeed , deaf dumb and blind, they do not comprehend !! Peace ----------- Student of Allah

Peace! Humankind has forgotten how to take care of themselvs without being enslaved. We have drawn in this system so far that we forgot totally how to live self-sufficiently. We need capitalist to give us jobs so we can feed our families, sometimes we can not afford even that. We are 7billions on the planet today, 5 billions of us at a working age, but there are only 1,8 billion fulltime jobs which provide people breadwinning. Economists, proffessors and other respected people in this field are worning for a global mass unemployment which can lead to massive destructive protests in the near future. This is a result of making this labouring system so worldwide that a very scarce group of people can afford living without needing to work for someone else and accept any given conditions, of course that is not the only reason, but in my opinion one of the biggest. I want to gi back to basics, I want to grow my own food and take care of my own animals and dont have to care about being an employee even if that means having less than what we have today, maybe a harder life but a more peacefull, harmonius life in line with how God want us to live. 211,12 " " And if (it was) said to them "Do not corrupt in the earth/Planet Earth." They said "But we are correcting/repairing . Is it not that they truly are, they are the corrupting and but they do not feel/know/sense?" 3041 The corruption/disorder appeared/became visible in the shore/land and sea/ocean because (of) what the people's hands earned/gained/acquired to make them taste/experience some/part of what they made/did , maybe/perhaps they return. Peace!

Good day to all, I just like to thank Pazuzu for presenting this information which I had never come across before. This explanation surely makes great sense to me and I'm left surprised it hasn't received more comments from other members. Peace, adjwi Salaam I too have been reading Pazzuzu?s post with great interest, and indeed he has touched on some very interesting points like the one above. Also in his last post regarding Ababeel; if they wee birds or not these are thought provking subjects and we now in this day and age cannot blindly accept. Brother Eid/Noon dhe plume too has been doing a great job in challenging Pazuzu which, I am sure, has made Pazuzu extra careful to make sure that his findings are thoroughly researched. From what I can see Pazuzu has been doing some great work and has been reading and researching a lot. I have read his previous posts which gave me some idea about his background. I feel Pazuzu deserves a lot of support from all who like his work. Being a man (I believe in his thirties), who has to earn his living and also search for a nice wife, to work and present such thorough reasearch he must have devoted a lot of his time to this research, so I?d like to know how can we support Pazuzu in his quest for the truth, beside all of us doing a bit of our own research? Peace

The Torah (Law/Instruction in Hebrew) is the Ten Commandment.. And not the "Torah" as we know today.. by definition... Now the name 'Torah' refer to compilation of "Five Books (which they say) Written By Moses". Oddly enough although those books are said to be written by Moses, there are story within regarding Moses death.. hmmm Moses is quite 'magnificent' to be able to write a story regarding his own death. (sarcastic mode on) The 'original Torah' a.k.a Ten Commandments supposedly being written in the stone tablet which went missing. And theoretically it should be written in 'iconic script' such as the egyptian hieroglyph, given the 'israelites' has not yet adopted "Consonant based Phoenician script" during that time.. When the Quran refer to "Torah" (instruction) it meant the "Ten Commandments". When the Quran refer to Zaboor, "The Book of David" it meant the "Psalms". Salam / Peace Psalms are David's poetry so your talk of Moses not writing the Torah is not relevant as the Koran never said he did. As far as the ten commandments these are what God gave Moses in tablet form. It is not accurate to say that the Torah is the ten commandments because the Koran clearly said "let them bring forth the Torah" and also said that prostration to the ground is found in the Torah. Muhammad is the Messenger of God. Those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers merciful one to another. You see them bowing, prostrating, seeking blessing, bounty and good pleasure (of God). Their mark is on their faces, the trace of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah, and their likeness in the Gospel as a seed that puts forth its shoot, and strengthens it, and it grows strong and rises straight upon its stalk, pleasing the sowers, that through them it may enrage the unbelievers. God has promised those of them who believe and do deeds of righteousness forgiveness and a mighty wage(4829) Genesis 171-4 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 And Abram fell on his face and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for Me, behold, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Deuteronomy 56-9 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 7 Thou shalt have none other gods before Me. 8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth 9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them nor serve them... Psalm 956 O come, let us worship and bow down let us kneel before the Lord our Maker. Revelations 711-12 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Joshua 76-7 And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the Lord until eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads. 7 And Joshua said, Alas, O Lord God, wherefore hast Thou at all brought this people over Jordan, to deliver us into the hand of the Amorites, to destroy us? Would to God we had been content, and dwelt on the other side of the Jordan! Numbers 1620-22 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying, 21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. 22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt Thou be wroth with the all of the congregation? Numbers 206 And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces and the glory of the Lord appeared unto them. Matthew 2636-39 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gesthemane, and saith unto his disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. 37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be very sorrowful and heavy. 38 Then saith he unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death; tarry ye here, and watch with me. 39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou Wilt. Then the man bowed down and worshipped the Lord. (Genesis, 2426) ...So they sang praises with gladness and bowed their heads and worshipped. (2 Chronicles, 2930) and I bowed down and worshiped the Lord. I praised the Lord?(Genesis, 244 .... Then the people bowed down and worshipped...did just what the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron. (Exodus, 1227-2 and they believed. And when they heard that the Lord was concerned about them and had seen their misery, they bowed down and worshipped. (Exodus, 431) and bowed down...three times, with his face to the ground. (1 Samuel, 2041) Ezra praised the Lord, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, "Amen! Amen!" Then they bowed down and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground. (Nehemiah, 86) Abram bowed with his face touching the ground...(Genesis, 173) When Abraham's servant heard what they said, he bowed down to the ground before the Lord. (Genesis, 2452) Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshipped. (Exodus, 34 When Moses heard this, he fell facedown. (Numbers, 164) the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened. (Numbers, 244) Then Joshua bowed to the ground in reverence...(Joshua, 514) When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The Lord?He is God! The Lord?He is God!"(1 Kings, 1839) when I bow down in the temple...may the Lord forgive your servant for this. (2 Kings, 51 they bowed low and fell prostrate before the Lord. (1 Chronicles, 2920) they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshipped and gave thanks to the Lord...(2 Chronicles, 73) ... the king and everyone present with him knelt down and worshipped... ordered... to praise the Lord. So they sang praises with gladness and bowed their heads and worshipped. (2 Chronicles, 2929-30) Then he fell to the ground in worship and said ?Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.? (Job, 120-21) As fas as what Torah generally means it means the scriptures the Jews have and even the Jews someimes used the Torah to describe all the scriptures and not just the 5 books of Moses. These definitions are human definitions and change according to the times. The earliest name for the first part of the Bible seems to have been "The Torah of Moses." This title, however, is found neither in the Torah itself, nor in the works of the pre-Exilic literary prophets. It appears in Joshua (831?32; 236) and Kings (I Kings 23; II Kings 146; 2325), but it cannot be said to refer there to the entire corpus. In contrast, there is every likelihood that its use in the post-Exilic works (Mal. 322; Dan. 911, 13; Ezra 32; 76; Neh. 81; II Chron. 2318; 3016) was intended to be comprehensive. Other early titles were "The Book of Moses" (Ezra 618; Neh. 131; II Chron. 3512; 254; cf. II Kings 146) and "The Book of the Torah" (Neh. 83) which seems to be a contraction of a fuller name, "The Book of the Torah of God" (Neh. 88, 18; 1029?30; cf. 93). http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the entire Jewish bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings. http//www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm

Salam, I think learning from the stories in the Quran is a wise way to judge when it comes to right and wrong if we dont have any clear line that sais haram. So I agree with brother Ervin about the story of Yousef. At the same time we have to remember 612,3. "You, you those believed, why/for what (do) you say what you do not make/do ?" "Abhorrence/hatred became big at God that (E) you say what you do not make/do ." Peace!

Salam, I am a native Arab, and as I can tell the word taqlid can not be used ( modern arabic) in the cases you gave. That is not taqlid. Taqlid is when you imitate something or fake something. For example when you try to make a painting that actually exist, or when you try to fake a brand. Even when you imitate another person (way of talking, way of acting etc.) but expertise doesnt count as far as I know, in that case they are spreading knowledge and learning something new from someone is not taqlid. Taqlid is doing it blindly, and without being sure of where the information comes from almost like wearing a necklace you dont know anything about (according to MUHIT ALMUHIT one of the biggest dictionaries) so yes, I guess its just negative. You can also say TAQLIDI which means traditional (practicing traditions without questioning them). I understand your point when you say it comes from the root QLD and YUQALLID, or QILADA or TAQLID somebody (put a necklace on somebody or crown somebody) I want to say that not all words deriving from one root have to have a connection to the meaning of the root. Ex. "she took QILDAHA from the water" she took her share of water, or MIQLAD that means a cup, a vessel, a scale or a staff with a hook. Hope I didint confuse you) Peace!

Peace Jesus is not coming http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602792.msg282918#msg282918

Greetings and Peace, all group There's an article on the website which shows the illogicality of 'shahadat'. It's very easy to prove that the (Sunni version) of 'shahadat' is illogical. How does Muhammad shahadat looks like?? "I here testify that I AM a prophet of God?" How can you bear testify that person X is Y, where X can be anyone and Y can be anything. IF you never met this person X as you and X lives 1400 years apart?? Salam / Peace Link http//www.free-minds.org/true-testimony ALLAH knows best. peace ~Abdul-Hadi

To understand Allah's law that relates to guidance and misguidance please read Muhammad Asad's explanation below 26 BEHOLD, as for those who are bent on denying the truth6 - it is all one to them whether thou warnest them or dost not warn them they will not believe. (27) God; has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and over their eyes is a veil;7 and awesome suffering awaits them. 7 A reference to the natural law instituted by God, whereby a person who persistently adheres to false beliefs and refuses to listen to the voice of truth gradually loses the ability to perceive the truth, "so that finally, as it were, a seal is set upon his heart" (Raghib). Since it is God who has instituted all laws of nature - which, in their aggregate, are called sunnat Allah ("the way of God&quot - this "sealing" is attributed to Him but it is obviously a consequence of man's free choice and not an act of "predestination". Similarly, the suffering which, in the life to come, is in store for those who during their life in this world have wilfully remained deaf and blind to the truth, is a natural consequence of their free choice - just as happiness in the life to come is the natural consequence of man's endeavour to attain to righteousness and inner illumination. It is in this sense that the Qur'anic references to God's "reward" and "punishment" must be understood