General Issues / Questions

I believe in an end of time in the physical/material realm. Whether it be on earth at a certain time (I.e. Meteor, Black Hole, Super Nova, etc.) or with the universe simultaneously, or starting from the edge of the universe, progressively toward earth then beyond that toward/from the point of creation, I do not know. I really never studied into "...On that day..." (Judgement Day) area of the Qur'an, I have read a few verses concerning it, but not recently. I believe that time as well as materialism is created synonymously with the big bang of course. In my opinion before/behind the big bang and the universe as of now, there is eternity, in my opinion time does not exist before creation hence eternity is. For an analogy, lets pretend that grass is eternity, and I have a sheet of cloth with many designs representing creation/universe and I spread out the sheet upon the grass, what if I tore small holes in the sheet breaking through to the grass (eternity), what if I say those holes represent our modern discovery of Black Holes in the universe, what if the holes are a gateway to eternity? Just my imagination on the subject. But according to common Near Death Experiences (NDE's) Not the propaganda NDE's of falsehood, but the legitimate experiences by many peoples from around the world of many different nationalities, and backgrounds, which they seem to have a recall/flash of their life, and experience their deeds, through feeling (I.e. Feeling the wrong that person dealt to an individual, feeling the individual's suffering/pain). Seems like a judgement is taking place, maybe it's a warning toward those certain people before Allah gives life back from death, or it could be a glimpse of what judgement is after death? I can not say. I have little knowledge of Judgement Day, but from what you said I see nothing wrong with your idea of judgement upon death before "...That Day" arrives when all fall dead then rise through a resurrection (Possibly spiritually, rather than physically? Not sure). "And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah "They are dead." Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not."-Qur'an 2154. But what about the verse in the Qur'an relating to a new creation? "And (remember) the Day when We shall roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books, as We began the first creation, We shall repeat it, (it is) a promise binding upon Us. Truly, We shall do it."-Qur'an 21104 Maybe it will be repeated but the creatures judged previously will not take part, but new creatures undergo a judgement also? Plus what about paradise and hell, in my opinion what if paradise or possibly even hell can not be describe in mere words/language because of it's complexity, what if these are metaphors for peoples/creatures to understand according to their own physical understandings? For example paradise described in the Qur'an talking of gardens, relaxing, to streams/rivers because water being scarce, and enjoyments being described contemporary of that time, thus would be a paradise to them, what if paradise is indescribable for mere words, especially when the revelations were set at a certain time in history. I'm sure there are other creations in the universe(s?), quite different from ours, what if in paradise we could experience these unknowable enjoyments in our afterlife also, eternally? I but a human with curiosity, and a mind that races, I claim to be no expert of the unknown, but like all humans and I are with imagination and intelligence, I claim no superiority of others nor a definite view on life, I am an ignorant creature like us all. Interpretations would be welcomed, I would love to know what others think on Judgement day also. Allah knows. Peace to you all.

DOn't loose face. I have too gone through the same. I was scared to the extent I couldn't sleep in my room without bright lights on. But now, I've become a lot less afraid and not scared.

Shalom Aleikhom, You guys are in love with supernaturals. Aren't you ? By supernatural I don't mean God. I am talking about daemons and spirits and all that. It is just that I have found absolutely no positive sign of their existence. Do you guys believe in them since you were kids ? I used to believe in spirit Jinns when I was a kid. I thought I would make friends in the Jinn kingdom. They would help me in my exams Peace -------------- Student of Allah I am not in love with anything. I ask about all sorts of stuff on the site. This just happens to be one of the topics that interest me.

Thanks dudes. Layth, consider updating this verse with 'NOMAD's translation (226) GOD is not shy to strike a parable whatsoever a gnat or larger. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for those who disbelieve they ask 'What could GOD mean by this parable? By it, GOD misleads many and guides many. But He misleads none except the evildoers.

with references please The term Koranist was labelled by the Egyptian authorities when they cracked down on the Koranist in the 70s. As fas as Quran alone I think its a name that started with the Rashad Khalifa days also in the 70s. Historically Koranist were called Mutazilites and Ahl Ul Kalam and maybe the Batinis also. These three labels all had one thing in common is that they only relied on the Koran as scripture and revelation. A good lecture by Aisha Musa about the historic reference to this school in Islamic history especially by Al-Shafi http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-6OJg7krM

Thank you Abdul-Hadi handshake sun

http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/27/ http//www.scribd.com/doc/63683684/allah-en#page=28 http//www.scribd.com/doc/10938366/ALLAH-Allah-as-intruduced-by-Mohammed

Greetings and Peace, all group Numbers of Qur'an alone or numbers of GOD alone/monotheists? hmm There probably are more than 100 million monotheists but fewer than 1 million Qur'an alone. ALLAH knows best. peace ~Abdul-Hadi

I pray that God makes life easier for you. I am going through hard times at the moment too , otherwise would write a proposal for prayer union. Salaam SoA, Please don't take me wrong but surely there must be something wrong from your side. 4147 4147 What would God want with your punishment if you were only thankful and believed? God is Thankful, Knowledgeable. 1044 1044 God does not wrong the people in the least, but it is the people who wrong themselves. May Allah make things easy for you and bless your life full of happiness and with strong eimaan pr mmKhan

Greetings and Peace, all group dear sisters and brothers i need a quick analys from the term thakaytum=shlaughter. in lane dictionary clear associated with halal shlaughter. is lane the oldest source, where i can found the meaning? can it be, that the word thakaytum means only shlaughter and not in a specific manner? (cut the gullet etc.) thank you all for your answers and help I think the the FM translation of 53 is correct; if it is indeed true then dhakkaytum means "you managed to rescue." If dhakkaytum meant slaughter, then the word would be used at 267. Dhubia can't mean sacrificed/dedicated, because other words are used at 16115, 37107, and 1082 with those meanings--and slaughter works and makes sense as a meaning for dhubia. Two words will have two different meanings. In any case, the method for slaughter is not specified--except that slaughter can't be performed by means of strangulation, by beating an animal to death, or by dropping an animal from a height. 53 Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than GOD, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue , and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide by the arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then GOD is Forgiving, Merciful. 16115 He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to any other than GOD. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful. 37107 And We ransomed him with a great animal sacrifice . 1082 Therefore, you shall make contact to your Lord and sacrifice . ALLAH knows best. peace ~Abdul-Hadi

The reactions I got, more than 7 years ago probably now, when I first enganged them, coming to their website having followed the Quran for a few years, loving God, even crying when I read the Quran because I found it to be so beautiful, they called me disbelievers, would not listen to logic about satan, did not accept homophilia as bad, told me to "fill your heart with the love of sahaba", and me thinking that wasn`t God enough. And then they threatened to take away my priveledges in the forum, and give access to "disbelievers" only. And then they banned. I tried going back there, but same thing, only mentioning "following Quran Alone" got me banned. Later I met them on a social network local to Norway. One moderator talked about "being an idol to their children". Another had hasish-smoking nuns on their profile. Their imam is frequently making rabid statements. The ones who banned me in the forum, make "cool guy" ban statements. Another imam in the forum says "I am not of the saliheen (godconscious)", all of the quran, and prayers are so you shall be godconscious. that social network did close down, due to much unserious activity. I met them in another social network now defunct also, where again I was banned for defending Quran Alone. A much stronger feeling of sectarianhood athmosphere there. I could almost feel how their feared their imams, and couldnt say anything. And like they didnt know the country around them, and democratic prinicples, of freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. Other than these, I see on youtube that some sectarians take the teachings of satan seriously, and that is good. Then again you see muslimvlogguy and he is an ignorant provocateur. He is probably worshipped and lashes out agains Quran Aloners, because they don`t worship him. I have however looked a bit at Iran lately, and I am getting some good vibes. In Norway people react on this country, but I see so many good things. First of all hadith, don`t seem that central there. And even if they are followed, they also include statements on intelligence. No interests in their banks. Drugbarons are executed. (imagine they complain about that here) Gays are executed. (They harassed me for years on the internet, I can only imagine a place without them being wonderful.) Ofcourse they have and know the Quran. Which for serious people, should mean intelligence, non-promiscuity, morality, familyvalues, etc. I am going to go there, when I get the money. I might travel to other muslim countries too. We`ll see.a Even in wahabbi Saudi-Arabia I can see people with sense. They sendt back an extremist to norway, on 9/11-2011, that talked about a new 9/11 on norwegian grounds. I interpreted that as giving that day a better name, by working against an extremist. I am going to do some more research though, and when time and money allows I am going to travel abit. There are probably good people in this country, that arent enemies of Quran-followers. Even if it should be a problem, I dont need to make a big political fuss, and make it known. I just want to see some culture based on the Quran Ofcourse if they turn out to be like the sectarians in the forums over here, its going to be a big dissapointment. But people cant all be taht stupid.

When you remove "intelligent design" you have incoherent noise left. aka random, or "white noise" it is a logical impossiblity, not only because it is said to be physical and come from nowhere, but because white noise does not create anything. To say that the universe is a random number sequence, and still claim it is logical and coherent, and ofcourse meaningful, is ofcourse incoherent. ParadoxEternal for 6 timer siden Svar @ParadoxEternal First sentence..."when you remove intelligent design you have incoherent noise left." No. You have an ordered universe with an unknown origin, to which our brains have adapted. I don't go further when the first sentence in a post is a semantic mess. EGarrett01 for 5 timer siden @EGarrett01 You did not understand. Let me restate, when you remove intelligent design, you have incoherent noise left. Not "an ordered universe with unknown origin". Apparently you have picked up some phrases about semantics, and fail to use them correctly. Ofcourse anyone believeing in incoherent noise, is bound to have some problems with intelligence. ParadoxEternal for 1 sek siden The superior atheist logic. Have a laugh, maybe he responds more. http//www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=HUoHu2JE3Xs

AOA Good to see this topic has elicited considerable intelligent discussion In essence "RIBA" is "Unfair Dealings".. Making a profit / benefits from other people misery.. and/or Exactly. It is as you have stated RIBA is NOT about interest.. How is it very hard to grasp this very simple concept??? You would think it would be very simple but unfortunately it is exactly the opposite. If you as Bank or another institution lend me X amount and I use this to set up a business and make y amount of profit and fraction of the profit to pay back the initial loan & interest. Who has been harmed? Both you and I have benefited As for the so called 'islamic mortgage'... Unfortunately the so called Islamic mortgage is nothing more than a fraud. I actually pointed this out to the representative of one of these institutions at a large Muslim gathering. It is my opinion that so called Islamic Mortggage is actually Riba, in that they are taking ungair advantage of individuals who do not understand what Riba is. Educate the people that they should get the mortgage with Most favorable terms and conditions to them. Lowest cost of fund. interest or without interest Hence the name... Mortgage A and Mortgage B has identical T&C. For $100 property, Mortgage A with 'islam' brand ask you to repay in total $140 in five years. For $100 property, Mortgage B with 'interest' of 0.5% a year ask you to repay in total $102.5 in five years. Definitely choose Mortgage B!! Agreed The fact that Muslims continue to assert that ribaa is interest and thus endorse these form-over-substance sharia lending products is evidence as to how the actual wording of the Quran is continuously ignored. As the Quran states, Muslims will treat the Quran as a "discarded thing". Well summarised. I'll waste no more time. & then Islam is a social environment . Regards

I personally believe in a mathematical COMPOSITION in the Quran You can believe whatever you want.There may be such a composition or not, I don't know,and in fact no one knows. All we know is the existence of some 19 phenomena and that 19 is there to increase faiths (7431) but not more. The problem begins at this point that some guys, the 19- authorities (!), claim insistently that 19 is actually a "quranic code" with the ONLY purpose of protecting Quran as if they had got revelation about it. Edip Yuksel accuses sunnis of being dogmatic while he is creating his own code-dogma. The inevitable results 1- 19ers evaluate 19 findings not according to their statistical values but according to their conformity to their code-dogma. The result Our 19ers rejected a very important finding (a message about salat) which is probably the seven pairs told in 1587 without even studying it. 2- Instead of objective 19-research, 19ers make a kind of proof hunt to support their belief. And some results are Edip's code list (mixed with real phenomena) and Bahman's very long numbers etc. now if you read my previous post again, you can better understand it peace

Peace, I personally disbelieve that there are invisible beings that which Sunnis believe live in dung and many other places. As Student says, your experiences are subjective. People from other faiths also have subjective experiences and try to pass it off as truth. You can see Christians talking about how, through Jesus, they were healed from cancer and other maladities. Whether it happened or not, that is their own experience. Also the feeling of the Holy Spirit when they congregate, they cry tears. Emotionalism at its best, but not a way to prove their belief. I take that jinns are things/people that are hidden. As Student says, theres one interpretation that they are neanderthals. My belief is that they are the nomads that are separate from the urbanites. In the verses that relates to the creation of mankind, I think that Dr. Shabbir and others have made a good hypothesis that it is the fiery temperament of the human being and our desires that separates us from God. Peace

Peace peace Well you have to excuse our nature, as we are one of the most argumantive creatures around (1854) laugh Thanks be to God that we have a place to talk in the first place yeah! Don't let things get to you, Pardon & Forgive, retaliate evil with Good, be the better person, life is easier that way )

Greetings and Peace, all group And I thought that imitation was the sincerest form of flattery! ) I've wondered about the ethics of selling college papers to "paper mills" knowing that they will be plagiarized. If I write an original paper, it is mine to dispose of as I wish, correct? I could make at least several hundred dollars a year selling papers...$$$ tempt It's a good thing that there is a link provided! ALLAH knows best. peace ~Abdul-Hadi

welcome salaaman what's the reason that you always used to wish shalom. Shalom Aleikhom, since I am the only one in this thread saying "SHALOM", i take it that you are addressing me with that question. Let me quote the greetings from some of the previous posts Shalom Aleikhom, Reply no. 3 (this thread) Salamun Alaikum, Reply no. 5 (this thread) Salam, So, even in this thread, I used Shalom,Salam,Salamun Alaikum and PEACE(at the end of all messages). I use it because I like to use it. Its just a sister language and any muslim can recognize it immediately. The only problem they might have is the fact that normally "jews" use this tongue. If they have a problem with the jewish tongue, to me it shows that they would have a problem with all the jewish messengers/prophets(because they wont be speaking arabic/english). So on a personal level I don't care about such people's opinions. A simpler answer is that you will see non-Arabs greeting non-Arabs saying "Salam". No God asked them to greet in ARABIC, yet they do. They are more in number compared to people like me who greet saying SHALOM. One should question these non-Arabs first . ) Peace,Salam,Shalom ----------------------- Student of Allah

Hmmmm...Fascinating. As the saying goes, 'You learn something new every day'.

This is the only link I found in English, which do not say all the details, but im sure you will get the picture. http//www.haveeru.com.mv/islam/39489 AH yes 'to minimize the conflict'... very 'smart' indeed.. The same excuse were being used by the Pakistani government.. 'to minimize the conflict' between sunnis and ahmadis.. the action being taken was to oppress the ahmadis... This is yet 'protecting the turf' action performed by the (insecure) clerics... If no one within Maldives dare to oppose this.. Blow this up to the whole world.. make this appear in the international media, report to UN bodies or anything.. Or to this site as well.. http//www.amnesty.org/