General Issues / Questions

Salaam, Pray any way you like, without any ego that, yours the only right way. Ritual prayer was there even before Mohammed, He didn't invent his prayer but perfected it. This is the reason theres no specific instructions in Quran on how to pray. I think, Prayer in the mosque is for giving charity to the needy and to unite for that cause, it should have started this way long before Mohammed. Thats why Salat and Zakat comes together in Quran. Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Christians too pray in a their Mosques, temple etc, whichever Hindu temple you go there will be a charity box in the front where people put their Sadaqah ), Jews also give tzedakah and they have this practice to give without knowing who is giving and the benefit goes to the needy.

Salaam Fauziyusof, Welcome to the forum! Surely Islam would never castigate a child or adult for the sins of his/her parents. The problems you mentioned are ingrained in society and people's minds and is not due to Islam. As adultery is a big sin, naturally people have a tendancy to look upon the child born out of it as a sinner too. But the Holy Quran is quite clear in the fact that noone shall bear the sins of another person. It is a basic principle in Islamic justice that no one bears the blame for another?s fault . The child born out of wedlock, like every other child, is born sinless. Thus the child may not be called a ?bastard" or even be referred to as ?illegitimate? with the intention to derogate him/her. But unfortunately in many countries like for example Malaysia, the Islamic religious authority have these procedure which seems penalizing to the innocent child (i) when the child grew up & when he/she is going to get married, he/she must reveal that he/she is an illegitimate child, as the 'akad nikah' procedures will be different than the normal person. If they are illegitimate children, wouldn't this be humiliation for the rest of their life? (ii) if one adopts a child, (most of the cases, illegitimate children) we can't put the surname as ours. The religious authority insisted that the person must bear the name of 'Abdullah' to show to the public & that they are adopted or an 'illegitimate one'. The adopting parents are trying to give a new life to the children, but if this system has to be followed, then it defeat the purpose to bring about new hope & life for the children. Regarding how the Prophet handled it during his time, I would have to quote from Hadiths which I wouldn't want to do. Hopefully someone else can help you out there. Thus in conclusion, while we can argue that Islam does not pass the sin of one person onto another, the truth in many societies is far from it. But that is a result of man's judgemental attitude which is why we all are here in the first place elektro Hope that answers your question.. welcome PEACE.

I see your point, although I personally suspect that the real motivations of those in power are two-fold to obtain and keep wealth and power. Same old story. Saying that, there seem to be a lot of people who actually want to be spoon-fed and told what to think, too. I suppose a sense of security and belonging is achieved in that sense. A relationship of convenience, as it were.

Interesting post. Personally, I'd say idol worship has gone much further than this in modern society. Now we are encouraged to worship other people as idols sports stars, actors, musicians, successful businessmen (however unethical and corrupt they are), and general "celebrities". "Celebrity Culture" as it's called. We seem to be in the "McDonalds" era of interchangable and disposable idols to worship, too. A few years ago it was the "big" movie and pop stars people worshipped. Now programmes like "American Idol" raise and exhort a boy-or-girl-next door to worship today, only to be replaced and forgotten tomorrow. And so the cycle is repeated. Slightly tongue-in-cheek, but at least the people of old picked/invented gods to worship, and with the intention of doing so permanently. Since then it's all gone "downhill" to worshipping minor dieties, then mythical creatures, then popular leaders, and lately to popular celebrities, any celebrities, and now it seems even the person on the street. giveup Of course, the latter is all about the real "god" that those behind modern celebrities worship money.

This is a show on Egyptian TV with Koranist Ahmed Rifa'i about the mulk al yameen(right hand posesses). http//www.ahl-alquran.com/arabic/document.php?page_id=1130 Same person this time about abrogation. http//www.ahl-alquran.com/arabic/document.php?page_id=1019

Peace, Respect. The Quran is FULLY DETAILED, just give 6114 as a shiled, God willing. Now, when it comes to subjects like dinosaurs or how to make pasta or should we have dogs, then one must first go through The Quran and then see how the muslims lived before. When it comes to dinosaurs - start digging. When it comes to food - kitchen is that way, amigo. When it comes to dogs - 1818. Don't have to block him, give him The Quran, God willing. Glory be to God. Peace. He has the Qu'ran, he even informed me he read the whole thing. Funny thing is he responded to one of my statements from the Qu'ran supporting the Qu'ran as the only source for law with "well I can show you many verses which say to follow/obey the messenger." I thought to myself, what is he implying with this reply? Is he implying that he rejects the verse that says it is fully detailed/well distinguished? Anyways, I and I'm sure all if not most of the people on this forum don't have any problem or issue at all with verses which say to follow/obey the messenger, because the messenger would never teach anything that contradicts the Qu'ran...including adding extra laws...that is why the verse which says he is the best example or something along those lines does not bother me either, because he very well knows more than anyone else that his wateen will be severed if he teaches anything else, either by example or through words and whenever he did do something contrary (he is not perfect) he was immediately rebuked, and his rebuke was made to be included in the Qu'ran...such as the time when he ignored the blind man who sought his guidance (surah 80) and when he gave permission to sit out from a fight to some people who were able either physically and/or financially to support a fighting expedition but did not want to fight

Peace, Respect. I admire you brother, you shouldn't close or change the account, you said you have matured, Thank God, that is a true step forward, step up, Thank God. You don't have to change your name on the forum. Trust God, He hears when you ask Him for forgivness, He is The Forgiver, The Pardoner, Thank God. Peace.

I don't believe abortion is murder. But I am against universal health care. The question for you is, what do you do if abortion is included in the bill? And the more generalized question for all of us is, if we know our government is immoral, do we continue living here and paying taxes or would we rather move somewhere else or go to prison? I don't think there is a simple answer. Nice to know that you're still kicking Lobster. Why are you against universal health care? No simple answer, like you said...but could there ever be a place where the laws we are forced to abide by, are 100% morally appetizing? I do believe that we have to stand up for what we believe in, and not just with our mouths. I would think you'd choose the prison option, but I don't know what good that does, on a grand scale. It allows you to feel less guilty, but doesn't really accomplish much else.. Isn't the prison option also a selfish choice? If we break the law, are we being dishonest? ...Of course, everyone breaks the law one time or another, consciously or not.

Peace, Respect. I'm definetely against icons because sooner then later they become an object of affection and worship, not by all people but I know people who see these statues as more then holy. I don't like them, it just doesn't sit well with me. Peace.

Been looking for it also, thanks wakas for the link and ths for bringing up this topic

Aiysha, personally I wouldn't actively seek out a discussion, and I usually try to avoid conflicts. But if someone makes statements like "this IS so and so in Islam", I do feel I have to object if it's something I feel strongly about. Many people, as you know yourself, will feel totally convinced of something and make such statements, yet when you dig a bit deeper, you find out that it's just something they have heard so many times that they believe it must be true, without ever having actually bothered to do proper research for themselves. That's what I do too, I only argue if someone says 'this is what it says in the Qur'an' and they're either incorrect or it's actually from the hadiths ... that's how I've dealt with a lot of things with my husband so far ... He used to go on and on about the "signs of judgment day" and now he rarely talks about it after I was able to show him they were not in the Qur'an, and also pointed out the verses that say that Prophet Muhammad (saw) didn't know the future. With other family members though, that are older ... I feel it's rather hopeless and they're very set in their ways. They just listen to other people and they're sort of brainwashed in a way.

Salaam Born again, No, I was not looking for any of those verses. I am looking for a verse which tells men/women who want to get engaged to their partner to make a promise to god that they are going to stay together. So that they would not break their promise. But thanks anyway

Peace, Respect. welcome welcome tot he forum, sister Khad3ja. You might wanna first read these 7185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative after this one will they believe? 6112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet mankind and Jinn devils to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications. 6113 That is so the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will. 6114 Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed? Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt. 6115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower. 6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess. 316 And from the people, there are those who will purchase a baseless narrative with which to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and to make it a mockery. These will have a humiliating retribution. 3923 God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him. 456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe? 5234 Let them produce a narrative like this, if they are truthful. 6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this narrative; We will entice them from where they do not perceive. 6940 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger. 6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe. 6942 Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed. 6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds. 6944 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us. 6945 We would have seized him by the right. 6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line. 6947 None of you would be able to prevent it. 7750 So in what narrative, after it, will they believe? These are just some of the arguments that might be useful in the debate with a sunni or shia. Keep in mind that you must be patient and always grateful to God. Always seek God and ask Him, He hears all and sees all. Keep up the prayers sister and read The Qur'an. Peace.

why interpretations, commentaries? The book didn?t need any interpretation or commentary, we need it now only because of all the corruption and fabrications of the religion. qualifications? Since the book is about human so one must also have knowledge of psychology, sociology and other Cognitive sciences. reliability? All the interpretations are non-reliable. The most reliable interpretation and commentary will come through Cognitive sciences! Just my opinion! Peace

Believe me, you won't. I'm crap, started way too late. I was begging my parents for a piano from a young age on, but only got one at the age of 13/14, which is pretty late to start playing. http//img337.imageshack.us/img337/3135/iconconfused.gif Peace, Respect. Then you should remove the sadness by listening to Jeff Dunham and peanut. Trust me. Peace.

Peace, Respect. During my visit to Slovenia, I read something in The Qur'an that got my attention and I haven't been able to sleep easy since. 1649 And to God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels, and they are not arrogant. Apparently there are creatures and then there are angels. Aren't angels creatures? I can see from the verse that they are not. Unless you got some other verse/s. God knows best. Angels are not necessairily what we imagine or what we think, I guess it leaves us only one sentence God truly knows best. Peace.

What is the purpose of killing jews, or anyone else? This doesn't set an example. Peace, Respect. Yes, I agree. We should not kill anyone, until our own life is endangered. We keep forgetting the Commandment"Thou shall NOT kill!" We should wake up every morning and after we say good morning to our spouse, our kids, have our breakfast, we should recite all Ten Commandments. Just a thought, it's not obligatory .... Peace.

Not an Arabic speaker but I have just asked my husband and his friend what naskh means and they both said in unison 'COPY' I have looked at the verse and just using google translator that too says 'copy'. Further on in the verse it says 'or cause to be forgotten' and the word translated as this is nunsiha according to corpus Quran, but according to google this means 'Our Revelations' and the word 'to delete or abrogate' is Lgh again confirmed by both my Arabic speakers here. I have just copied each word separately into google and got this what copy from verse or our revelations come fine including or ideals pain learning that God at all thing competent. nothing about abrogate or cause to forget. ??? peace Is this a reply to my post? If it is, I'm talking about 16101 not 2106, I said that I don't believe 2106 means abrogate or verses naskh is not mentioned in 16101 16101 Transliteration Wa-itha baddalna ayatan makana ayatin waAllahu aAAlamu bima yunazzilu qaloo innama anta muftarin bal aktharuhum la yaAAlamoona Literal And if We exchanged/replaced/substituted a verse in place (of) a verse , and God is more knowledgeable with what He descends, they said "But you are a fabricator/cutter and splitter." Rather most of them do not know. I think the following argument is compelling, when questioning whether 2106 is referring to verses The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ?Ayah? in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it! (It says something better or similar, correct?)

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