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Peace be upon you peace, with all due Respect. When i see what i don't have in this world and what i do have, i actually laugh sometimes. I see my former classmates and former friends and i see how they have their own houses and families with kids and they got cars and steady income and they have everything .....so it appears. Then i compare myself to them. I got The Quran and i am guided, Thank God. I am grateful to God that i am guided, i am sooo grateful to The Most Exalted God The Most Merciful God that i have The Quran and that i follow it and that it is so easy to obey. I see people around me perfectly content and happy with the world and they treat money like god. That is sad. In the beginning of the Real Life, Believers Win, Thank God, Glory be to God, Hvala Bogu, AlhamdilAllah. Peace.

Thanks for this discussion. God be praised.

I missed it, do you have it Recorded? please post link if so... Thanks, Salamander in 'Nam,

Peace Jack, No, the "hur" are not strictly conversationalists/interlocutors. Of course not. I was just saying that even "hur" can have more than one meaning. Even "zawg" doesn't have to mean spouse, it can refer to any kind of pairing. As for "what was given to us previously" in 225, I theorize this may be in some way related to "al-mawt al-ula" (the first death) which apparently took place "in/fi" the garden - 4456. They don't taste death IN IT (fi-ha), except the first. You know? I don't know for sure. No offense, but I have no idea what you mean when you say that the reading (quran) is not the book (kitab). The reading is a book. Any links for study? In 2260 Abraham was nowhere near questioning resurrection. He said "arini kayfa" meaning "show me how", not "are you able to". The bird experiment showed him how it'll be, again using symbols and allegories (the birds, the call, the hills). Peace, -David Peace David, Do you have quranic evidence for Azwaj meaning other than spouse ? As far as I know, depending on grammatical construction it refers exclusively to a husband/wife/both. RE al kitab/the book http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16510.msg164751#msg164751 http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16291.0 When I said 'question', I wasn't speaking literally. He needed to see something to believe it. Abraham also threw around ideas/possibilities before reaching a conclusion (675-79).

Adulterer to be lashed, jailed http//gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/crime/adulterer-to-be-lashed-jailed-1.624274

Salamo Alaykom, well, the truth Yes. I think you should ask yourself this question . Peace be upon you all, with all due Respect, sisters, brothers. Thereformer1, may i just point at these and after you ponder over them, you can get back at me. No rush. 7185, 316, 3923, 456, 5234, 6844, 7750, Remember, please, read them in Arabic and pay special attention to the word hadeeth. May God bless you all. Peace be upon you.

I've been looking into Jacque Fresco's idea on creating an ideal society (Jacque Fresco's a social engineer, industrial designer, author, lecturer, futurist, inventor, and the creator of The Venus Project). And his ideas IMO appear to be far more superior then what the koran is recommending. http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912# http//www.scribd.com/doc/7902573/Designing-the-Future-The-Venus-Project There are parts of what he says that I don't agree with, but overall i think he is spot on. what do you guys think? peace. Thank you very much for the link. Jacque Fresco is and exceptional man.

If you just watch the first 20 seconds of that thing you might think How many Zoroastrian fire-worshipers does it take to burn a temple to ash? What impact does a 2000-year-old fire have on global warming? Does smoke inhalation cause enough brain damage to perpetuate a pagan religion?

It was probably deleted. >D Was it a copy and paste? Or a text written by the poster himself? If it's the former, maybe you can find it somewhere ... peace

3336 {It is not for a believer, man or woman, when All?h and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys All?h and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.} Al-Ahzab-36 { } The word in Arabic is "" and it is from the root " " and the word means judge or make a judgement or a law which is making ligeslations. God order us in this verse that the term believing is according to obey the ligeslations of God and his instructions and obey the prophet's ligeslations and his instructiosn as well, anyone who does not obey both of them is not in the right path and he is lost . So why would God said after his own ligeslations that the prophet can make ligeslations as well ? P.S The posts must start by answering the question . Peace, Respectfully. Notice this messenger decrees. Messenger can decree only of the message. The Message here being The Quran, right? It does not say whatever Mohammed gives you take it, right? If he said something else, other than The Quran, .....remember? God bless you. Peace.

http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.32.gif And you people do not approach nearing the mutually consented sexual intercourse; Here it is not said that "do not perform Zina", but since it will factually take place only when man and woman are motivated from within and they willingly with heartfelt desire approach it. In case of rape one of the two parties neither has the desire nor he or she approaches for nearness/its performance. Rape is done by one person upon another person, a man raping a woman, or a woman raping a man, with or without the help of others. Answer this with sensible mind, not irritated and disturbed having mirrored the inner dirty self.

Peace It seems that stunning is an advancement from not stunning. I was not aware of all the issues until now. I think some Muslims reject stunning because they feel it kills the animal (or something along those lines). However, stunning is not a 'blow to the head' and does not violate any of the Quranic issues. It is interesting how the sectarians, with their plethora of hadith, imams, fatwas etc. cannot adopt to a modern practice. The Quran lays down the principles and hence is adaptable to technology. Roshan

I can't seem to find in Qur'an where Allah tells us Qur'an is all we need. Believers are to believe in all of Allah's Books and Messengers. I reject Hadith because Allah Says that His Guidance is all we need. Bottom line is "other" is needed.

There is no contradiction in this ayat at all. Allah SWT is first telling you that everything is from Him and then he goes on to tell you that the evil that befalls you is from your own doings which you have earned, even though it is all governed by Allah SWT. For example Your employer is responsible for your wages, but how much you actually earn is dependant on the hours you put in. If you skip some hours, you will get paid less and if you do overtime you will get paid more. Peace

Was that supposed to be English? ??? Anyway -- I shared the article because I found it worth reading. If you think it's blabla, don't read it. Simple. Unless you have something constructive to add, I will ignore your comments in this thread. what? found it worth reading, look it is wrong from the first word and its meanings . He doesn't differ between Fikr and Tafkir . Oh my God !!!!!!!! ok read it as I see you love to take mistakes and live with them without getting correction.

Wakas Don't quote words at me. I know what they mean and you know I know what they mean. It's condescending and arrogant. I know what you think salah is. This is obvious from The Quran itself. From google Easily discovered, seen, or understood; readily perceived by the eye or the intellect; plain; evident; apparent; If it was obvious there wouldn't be so much debate about it. The amount of people who believe what you believe are what? 1000 people? By your standards of what is obvious and what isn't, we can assume that the rest of the world is stupid. Many senior members in this forum disagree with your interpretation, including Layth. Since he cannot see what is obvious, he must also be stupid. You said to look at the article. I did, and gave you my comments. It said that prayer is incoherent in the hadiths because you have to go through many of them. If prayer is incoherent in the hadiths because you have to go through many of them, then so is salah in the Quran. Simple.

Peace All, Ayisha thereformer has a way of being evasive. Wishful thinking. In reality, lots of scholars spread utter nonsense. Leyna not wishful at all, look at the the "scholars" or "shiyoukh" who gloss over and sugar coat faults of others, they try "explain" and "justify" previous scholars outcomes but at the end of the day it doesn't make what they said right. they just twist into obstacles side track the argument and come with conclusions. thereformer1 Yes, I know the criteria of Hadith and how it works, but I have to know your criteria of understanding Quran or rejecting in hadith sahih ? the debate will began this way . Why if I tell you, you could just use it and claim it?s your own technique. These are the basics, have you ever study hadith to reject it or to speak about their validity ? Everything starts at the basics. start a new thread on analysis of hadiths if you like I didn't understand your question, you said when the content ...? if yes how ? . how I can answer by yes when your question is when ? and what contnt are you talking about ? the content of hadith ? if yes specify any hadith (sahih, hassan, dae'f) with example . It was pretty clear let me clarify, do you know when the content of ANY hadiths is true or not, whether it is classified as sahih, hasan dae?f or whatever? No, the hadith ghareeb is what came strange in his story. like the incident was in chicago but newspaper said in florida . Ghareeb means strange, though in hadiths terms it refers to a hadiths with one narrator, go look it up. You should know considering you're claiming to know about hadith First of all you admit that your question is irrelevent . Second of all Yes you do accept laws from other book like me, the laws of roads, the laws of integration of a school, the procedures to get a paper, and there are lots of other laws you follow and they are not God's words. So for the second time this sentence is also irrelevent . Foolish answer. No, the question is relevant it?s supposed to show thoughts and perceptions. I take the law of the Quran to be divine law, above any law; above laws of schools, roads etc. any law that contradicts THE LAW the Quranic law becomes futile that?s my point and that?s the difference of law taking between us. Get it now? Yes, a scholar can make a mistake but there are others who pay attention to this mistake and they will answer why he said that and explain the issue. I know, it's my right to accept or reject ) thanks for recognising scholars are not perfect. First of all thank you for admiting that you talk without knowledge lol . Second of all I've been interupted for writing ahadith saying that this website is for Quran alone . Third of all you must study " " then I can make a topic about hadith, because you'll interupt me again without knowledge. However I try to make a topic but I must be supported by writing a topic about the authencity of hadith . Just because I admit I don?t know it all, doesn?t mean I have no knowledge. And with you, you talk about knowing so much. as far as I know concealing knowledge is a grave sin 2159. so actually laughing it off wouldn't be wise, enough arguing about me or my knowledge personal attacks aren't needed, prove truth you're not proving anything asking questions and being evasive doesn't help in your favour. Ok, so sorry if I accused you, the challenge is with Quran a verse from my choice or your choice and let's see how you are going to interpret it and what's the criteria to interpret a verse . You want to analyse the Quran/verse? Start a thread. Albani said nothing about hadith, he has been asked by people in 40 matters and he challenged them that these matters will be sorted from hadith, so he won the challenge because he gave them 40 hadiths Sahih about 40 matters that have been asked . Go figure ! You?re on a total different wavelength, I don?t need to figure. I've gave you the word in arabic, and I've said that Muslim and Bukhari have the same ahadith and the difference is in some narrators, that's all of it, and muslims brought a new way of classification but after all it is the same as Bukhari's way . And you should look for the meaning of the word in english that I gave you in Arabic . Even if they all have the exact same hadiths with different narrators hadiths ended with different outcomes. So, I think you should read this verse is about talking without knoweldge . "And among men is he who disputes about All?h, without knowledge or guidance, or a Book giving light (from All?h)," P.S if there is anything rude in my post, I appologize . peace Thanks for the verse, Alhamdulillah I?m not disputing about God. nor am I glorifying my or anyone?s knowledge. Proving a ?sahih? hadith that has nonsense content is disputing with God's law.. so i think you should share this knowledge of truth you have rather than concealing it.

Salam, 4 years ago I have written an article about the concept of creation in the Qur'an "Allah is called our Rabb, which means Who fosters, nourishes, brings up and regulate the things from the crudest state to that of the highest perfection, is such a matter to make it attain one condition after an other until it reaches its goal of completion. He is also called Al-Bari, the Evolver and Al-Masuwwir, the Bestower of Forms/Fashioner in 5924. The concept of Evolution was first described by the Greeks, but it was further developed by the early Muslims. Great Muslim scholars and scientists as Al-Kindi, Ibn-Rushd, Ibn Tufayl, Ibn-Arabi, Ibn-Khaldun al described and promoted the concept of Evolution. Before the 1800?s, Evolution Theory was known in Europe as the ?Muhammedan Creation Theory? and was described in almost all Muslim Medicine and Science Books. It was also part of normal education in the Muslim schools and Universities. Ibn Khaldun wrote in his Muqaddimah, an Introduction to History ?One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word ?connection? with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.? This is just one example out of hundreds of opinions and observations made by Muslim scholars in the early centuries of Islam. When Darwin made his own speculations based on the Muslim Theory of Evolution, it was taken up by the Materialist Movement of the West. Because the Theory of Evolution is not supported by the Bible, and also because Darwin?s speculations gave room for a Creator-less creation, Darwin?s version of the Theory was taken up by the Atheist. Through this Evolution Theory was seen as equal to Atheism, and Muslims, through loss of their knowledge and their aversion of the Materialist Colonial powers of the West that had conquered them, became to reject the Theory of Evolution. And took up together with the Christian world, the concept of Instant Creation. A concept that goes directly against the language of the Quran and its Message as will be shown." http//www.deenresearchcenter.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=BQJs4ei97Ms%3d&tabid=58&mid=609&language=nl-NL

Once again, I would cross check. 2/37 shows that Adam turned to His Lord ('fataba 3alayhi&#039 when tested with kalimat. Therefore, I would say that this 'refuge' in the ayah you quoted refers to Allah. However, we get Allah's refuge BY following what is revealed to us from the book.

i read an authentic hadith that said Allah will show his leg/thigh to the believers on the day of judgement and they will fall in prostration. that was the end of hadith for me. maybe if mr. bukhari and mr. muslim and mr. hanbal had read surah ikhlas verse 4 that said "there is no one like unto Allah", they would have opted to dismiss this "authentic" narration into his books. the fact that they didnt, goes to show they didnt even know what the quran has to say about its very own author. this is just the tip of the iceberg. there are hadith that appear to be direct copy of verses of the bible and the jewish talmud. full of contradictions and bizarre stuff. all my 34 years of short life i have been blindly believing the hadith without knowing them but then i read surah isra 1736 and started to read these books. it was not long after which it became clear to me that these words and narrations can never ever be attributed to the exalted Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Not only is Allah supposed to have a thigh but also hands face eyes etc. That was in a book on tawheed I was given to study when I did a course on Islam. As it was on tawheed I didnt expect it to be basically full of hadith, which it was, and implied that Muhammed was almost ...............................well the only way I can say this is that if I believed what I was reading I would be worshipping Muhammed as GOD in the flesh! ??? brickwall